Horus-Ra as the Archontic Alien Parasite: A follow-up interview with Maarit

[Hervé]

A bit more, from the same guy, about parasites, predators and gurus:

Dooney, one of the psychics in the bunch, works in these sessions with her husband, Steve, who's also psychic. Steve was already under severe attack before the session started, so the whole band of peekers who were present looked and saw a certain GWB guru on Steve's back, identified by a distinctive pony tail of graying hair. I'm not going to mention the guy's name because he's never overtly gone after us; he had a vestigial connection to Steve, that's all. The psychics saw this happening before most of them knew that Steve had been 'courted' by this guru for years and had taught him a specific meditation technique that's engineered to enslave the more talented adepts under his tutelage.

This guru just wouldn't leave Steve alone, so we all sent our energy through Steve at the guy, who then he ran astrally away, bewildered that Steve suddenly had the power to repel him. He came back shortly after that as a multiple presence so that he could scramble around, then identify whether the energy 'from Steve' was coming from somewhere else. In fact filthy metaphysical adepts, even gifted, brilliant ones like this one, can't comprehend the dynamics of the heart and we only send energy from our hearts when we go against these miscreants. Essentially, all of this was coming through Steve's heart. This shared process is a function of dynamic unity, which is just one of the things we've been exploring in our 'curative' etheric sessions. This is the real meaning, of 'We're all one,' not the abominable, insistent and heartless conformity and hive-mind manifestations of the newage evangelists like the fellow who had been hammering Steve.



It's always a bad idea to allow any predators or macroparasites who are in our personal lives to have the initiative, of course, and with these methods we don't necessarily have to throw down the gauntlet and risk getting fired, shot, stabbed, burned at the stake, etc., by their manipulated, paranoid minions. These occult/corporate assets use political manipulation and subterfuge (and even less conscionable methods) to achieve their ends and that all takes place in the etheric realm. Guess who can easily overcome them in the etheric realm now, thanks to this new orgone tech--you and me!

[Mark]

Orgone tech? You can do all that with just the heart and energy work by some skilled practitioners. Like he was saying before he mentioned the tech. Good stuff.

[Houman]

[9eagle9]

It is disturbing to me how many gurus use such varied techniques to cord in to their students. Even on our common street level perception, not gurus and students you'd ever hear about persay. I'm certain these people haven't a clue what is occurring because the person that taught them before them hadn't a clue.

[Mark]

That is very, very true, 9eagle9.

My partner and the group we work with are deep in the process of removing the ties they've received from some very well-known and popular practitioners they happened to work with in recent years. They do so under false pretenses and actually hijack people's access to themselves. The energy is siphoned and their abilities tapped and basically stolen, leaving them lethargic and with holes, cords, implants, infractions and all other kinds of astral/dimensional problems as a result.

Helping people to realize this, returning them to their sovereignty and teaching them how to stay that way is one of the paramount tasks and gifts of service of these times.

[Daughter of Time]

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
It is disturbing to me how many gurus use such varied techniques to cord in to their students. Even on our common street level perception, not gurus and students you'd ever hear about persay. I'm certain these people haven't a clue what is occurring because the person that taught them before them hadn't a clue.

Hi 9eagle9

I agree that most "teachers" end up regurgitating the teachings of their gurus without being aware of the mis-knowledge and misinformation they are dispensing.

However, I think there are some gurus who do know they are misguiding their students and do so willingly in order to plummet their faithful disciples deeper into darkness. I'm not saying this to contradict you but because I've experienced intentional misleadings from some who professed to be imparting higher knowledge.

The dark side works by means of deceit and all too eager pupils readily and blindly accept what they think is wisdom and higher cognition.

[Hervé]

Posted by Rahkyt (here)
Orgone tech? You can do all that with just the heart and energy work by some skilled practitioners. Like he was saying before he mentioned the tech. Good stuff.

Whatever that does work to regain confidence and certainty in one's abilities to be able to DO something about the situation is not to be dismissed, in my books.

[Mark]

Not dismissed, just saying. It doesn't take tech.

For those who can't afford it and must rely upon themselves.

[Hervé]

Posted by Rahkyt (here)
Not dismissed, just saying. It doesn't take tech.

For those who can't afford it and must rely upon themselves.

That "tech" is not only the cheapest one there is but, from what I gathered, is intended to jump start individuals who are programmed into not believing they have such abilities and powers to start with... like learning wheels until one is able to realize it without them. It gives these individuals sufficient subjective "evidence" there is such a thing as "heart energy."

[Mark]

Cheap is nice. Free and internal to human-system is best. But it is necessary to help anyone who might have problems of belief and if it does that more power to it and those who sell it.

[9eagle9]

Yes i know quite a number of those who willfully mislead people for power, but the greater portion of people who suddenly decide they are a teacher of something, go on an unwittingly emotional cord in with their adherents. You can't say a word of criticism towards them no matter how innocuous . This may not be altogether that serious but it sets a foundation for more serious infiltration. We are not so much the victims of parasitical intrusion as we are the perpetrators of it no matter how unwitting or witting we are of it. Obviously magickal practitioners that raise parasitical 'gods' to leverage others are doing it on an conscious basis. I do it all the time, why and what I am doing it for is

When I get people so riled up on the forum, its because I'm pressing the entity button, not the whole person themselves. I know that. The person in question doesn't because they cannot separate themselves from the entity.

One sees this on this very forum when some vaunted guru or teacher is criticized even in a very innocuous way. The adherents raise a great out cry , and make it a big emotional fest....as noted in David Wilcocks threads, Salusa and GFL threads, Drake threads etc. Not realizing that is how people get corded into each other's energies and serve as batteries for things they are never going to be consciously aware of. Through emotions, particularly wounded or needy emotional bodies.

Having been invited to many group meditations and group visualizations (mental-ego circle jerks mostly) which are composed mostly of people cording into the person next to them (joining heart energies....(shudder) and being thrown out of the circle because of disrupting the 'flow' of energy (refusing the cord in ) people sense this on some interior level , a person who refuses to be sucked into this sort of thing are summarily ostracized.

But that's how they do it. A woman I know is an obvious programmer although I doubt she knows herself that she is programmed. She KNOWS she can manipulate people that much is obvious but she is hardly aware of how deeply she herself is corded into yurk.. She teaches manifestation but is overtly poverty conscious. If she can't get you with her circle jerking meditation she distributes a CD of brain scratching subliminated and NLP laden guided meditations. She hasn't a clue of what she is doing, she's just following orders herself without knowing it. What has infiltrated her is a bit more disturbing but....

besides myself there are a few others who realize this about her, but still continue to cord in and give this woman authority over them. My former very close friend knows this about this woman, that she's a programmer. Yet is somehow always attempting to gain validation and approval from her, not realizing the programmer is refusing to do so because she is threatened by my friends ability to know her for what she is. In order to gain approval from this woman, she attends these horrendous cording in meditation events that are just big energy sucks.

And then is punished for attending because she is not 'really in with the program'.

Because she was my very close friend we of course had an emotional cord of close friendship between us. So this programmer has a hard on for my friend, and just does some really nastly energy sucking on her and I feel the effects of it. One such incident left me with a stomach ache. I went to my friend so she could do some energy work on me and she's on the floor writhing in pain in the same area. The victim yet again of the programmer such, and I get the rebound effects of it because she and I were close friends. I finally had to tell her that our friendship had to end on a certain level , if she was going to keep putting up with this ****, its what you are doing to others when you get caught up in this chain fall of connection that people like to glorify as connected human consciousness when its simply a level of energy that allows us to enslave each other through our natural relationships with each other. I have unplugged myself from a vast number of people for the same reason.

My friend chose the programmer, who she knew was a programmer and wasn't even a pleasant person on a surface level because my friend had some deeply unresolved issues of self value she couldn't bring herself to address, and that is what the programmer's entity was leveraging, keeping my friend on a leash of attempting to keep winning this approval she was never going to get.

So yes people do enter into contract with these things consciously but are not fully AWARE of the implications as consciousness and awareness are two entirely different things. That is why this is so very difficult to break this mufti-tiered trap.

Posted by Daughter of Time (here)

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
It is disturbing to me how many gurus use such varied techniques to cord in to their students. Even on our common street level perception, not gurus and students you'd ever hear about persay. I'm certain these people haven't a clue what is occurring because the person that taught them before them hadn't a clue.

Hi 9eagle9

I agree that most "teachers" end up regurgitating the teachings of their gurus without being aware of the mis-knowledge and misinformation they are dispensing.

However, I think there are some gurus who do know they are misguiding their students and do so willingly in order to plummet their faithful disciples deeper into darkness. I'm not saying this to contradict you but because I've experienced intentional misleadings from some who professed to be imparting higher knowledge.

The dark side works by means of deceit and all too eager pupils readily and blindly accept what they think is wisdom and higher cognition.

[Hervé]

For individuals wondering what that "tech" is all about, it is derived from Wilhelm Reich pioneer work and is a "Do It Yourself" type of endeavor, the recipes are all over the internet and all ingredients but one can be made out of scraps.


http://whale.to/index.html

[Gemini]

More on gurus from psitalent.de/Englisch/Fatale%20Errors.htm:

So, what makes Reptilians and co. being this powerful and effectively heading off the helping forces? The answer is alarmingly simple: They do get this energy from us. . . energy, which is empowering them!. . at least in many cases.

We found this out in a session, where we tried to reactivate certain abilities of a person. A dark entity simply placed itself between us and the client. As always, we tried to smooth it out with positive energies which they hate the most. But this one here wouldn't be chased off. It only grinned insultingly. Its job appeared to be repelling strengths and good forces from our planet, and apparently it was empowered to do so. Our investigations in finding out where it gained its power from lead us to this insight: This being has been and still is admired by millions of people down to the present day. It draws its strength from thousands and thousands of people (in this particular case from India). This being used to be worshiped as a God or a Guru in earlier times. We don't know exactly who it was representing.

Yet, there are many other villains, who pretended to be Gurus, Gods or saints, accumulating their strength and power through other humans’ admiration and worship. One of those villains is called Krishna. This we could find out pretty soon. Krishna brings his disciples to a certain intermediate level, where they might feel a bit lighter, sort of enlightened and more at ease. Yet, at this level there is absolutely no grounding. Hare Krishna disciples are without grounding and Krishna can easily feed on their abilities.

The recently deceased Reptilian Sai Baba worked in the same way and still does (death is no end for these entities to continue following their plans). Reiki, too, provides those dark beings with plenty of energy and sucks on us.

Every Guru who succeeds in accumulating a larger quantity of disciples is certainly working for the dark side. Without exception, up to this date. Nobody of the positive side is able to have a greater influence so far. This is not permitted by the dark side. They will block that, they infiltrate, they deploy magicians and agents. They attack family members magically until they develop cancer or are being killed in accidents etc. This makes it easy to figure out whether a person is on the good side or not: the more sheep are following him, the less he is one of us. This might change one day, but right now it is this way. Well, actually, once we are ready ourselves, we do not need any spiritual leaders at all (this doesn't mean there is any forecast date, it is really up to us how things will develop down here).

I hope you understand what this means because we have to heighten our awareness on this topic so the situation can be changed. As long as these beings in human bodies or not are being admired by thousands of people, I don't see a chance to do something about it. The strength of millions of admirers is working against us and against those friendly incarnated, yet ungrounded alien souls. Even the best qualities and superior abilities cannot work down here as long as their owners aren't fully earthed.

[modwiz]

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
Yes i know quite a number of those who willfully mislead people for power, but the greater portion of people who suddenly decide they are a teacher of something, go on an unwittingly emotional cord in with their adherents. You can't say a word of criticism towards them no matter how innocuous . This may not be altogether that serious but it sets a foundation for more serious infiltration. We are not so much the victims of parasitical intrusion as we are the perpetrators of it no matter how unwitting or witting we are of it. Obviously magickal practitioners that raise parasitical 'gods' to leverage others are doing it on an conscious basis. I do it all the time, why and what I am doing it for is

When I get people so riled up on the forum, its because I'm pressing the entity button, not the whole person themselves. I know that. The person in question doesn't because they cannot separate themselves from the entity.

One sees this on this very forum when some vaunted guru or teacher is criticized even in a very innocuous way. The adherents raise a great out cry , and make it a big emotional fest....as noted in David Wilcocks threads, Salusa and GFL threads, Drake threads etc. Not realizing that is how people get corded into each other's energies and serve as batteries for things they are never going to be consciously aware of. Through emotions, particularly wounded or needy emotional bodies.

Having been invited to many group meditations and group visualizations (mental-ego circle jerks mostly) which are composed mostly of people cording into the person next to them (joining heart energies....(shudder) and being thrown out of the circle because of disrupting the 'flow' of energy (refusing the cord in ) people sense this on some interior level , a person who refuses to be sucked into this sort of thing are summarily ostracized.

But that's how they do it. A woman I know is an obvious programmer although I doubt she knows herself that she is programmed. She KNOWS she can manipulate people that much is obvious but she is hardly aware of how deeply she herself is corded into yurk.. She teaches manifestation but is overtly poverty conscious. If she can't get you with her circle jerking meditation she distributes a CD of brain scratching subliminated and NLP laden guided meditations. She hasn't a clue of what she is doing, she's just following orders herself without knowing it. What has infiltrated her is a bit more disturbing but....

besides myself there are a few others who realize this about her, but still continue to cord in and give this woman authority over them. My former very close friend knows this about this woman, that she's a programmer. Yet is somehow always attempting to gain validation and approval from her, not realizing the programmer is refusing to do so because she is threatened by my friends ability to know her for what she is. In order to gain approval from this woman, she attends these horrendous cording in meditation events that are just big energy sucks.

And then is punished for attending because she is not 'really in with the program'.

Because she was my very close friend we of course had an emotional cord of close friendship between us. So this programmer has a hard on for my friend, and just does some really nastly energy sucking on her and I feel the effects of it. One such incident left me with a stomach ache. I went to my friend so she could do some energy work on me and she's on the floor writhing in pain in the same area. The victim yet again of the programmer such, and I get the rebound effects of it because she and I were close friends. I finally had to tell her that our friendship had to end on a certain level , if she was going to keep putting up with this ****, its what you are doing to others when you get caught up in this chain fall of connection that people like to glorify as connected human consciousness when its simply a level of energy that allows us to enslave each other through our natural relationships with each other. I have unplugged myself from a vast number of people for the same reason.

My friend chose the programmer, who she knew was a programmer and wasn't even a pleasant person on a surface level because my friend had some deeply unresolved issues of self value she couldn't bring herself to address, and that is what the programmer's entity was leveraging, keeping my friend on a leash of attempting to keep winning this approval she was never going to get.

So yes people do enter into contract with these things consciously but are not fully AWARE of the implications as consciousness and awareness are two entirely different things. That is why this is so very difficult to break this mufti-tiered trap.

Posted by Daughter of Time (here)

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
It is disturbing to me how many gurus use such varied techniques to cord in to their students. Even on our common street level perception, not gurus and students you'd ever hear about persay. I'm certain these people haven't a clue what is occurring because the person that taught them before them hadn't a clue.

Hi 9eagle9

I agree that most "teachers" end up regurgitating the teachings of their gurus without being aware of the mis-knowledge and misinformation they are dispensing.

However, I think there are some gurus who do know they are misguiding their students and do so willingly in order to plummet their faithful disciples deeper into darkness. I'm not saying this to contradict you but because I've experienced intentional misleadings from some who professed to be imparting higher knowledge.

The dark side works by means of deceit and all too eager pupils readily and blindly accept what they think is wisdom and higher cognition.

Very enlightening post 9eagle, as well as being a very thorough reply to the post by DOT. Be careful, you might lose your reputation for being a raw meat-eating blue meanie.

[TheVoyager]

Hi everybody!
Very interesting thread indeed.
I noticed an error in your post, DoT. It might have some importance or it might not. See below.

Posted by Daughter of Time (here)
Malanca's film, posted by G. DeLuca above, is is a very good film. I'm sure everyone following this thread would like to watch it if they could understand Italian or Spanish. I am fluent in both and I wish I could translate it for you, but since I can't, I will give you a brief synopsis.

Saturnia is the young abductee. She then becomes possessed by the abductor. They think she's schizophrenic. Eventually the abductor whose name is Hexabor, takes her over completely.

Dr. Davide has been hypnotizing her. Under hypnosis Hexabor reveals some information, namely:

His kind don't like Reptilians because Reptilians are stupid since their only purpose is to feed. Hexabor's kind are intelligent because their prime purpose for abduction is mind control. Women are sexually assaulted and implanted. In men, they insert microchips in their heads in order to monitor their activities. They normally abduct young people with high potential which they use for themselves until the host is all used up.

Hexabor informs Davide that there are 13 alien races on earth. They will start a major war and take over the planet. He gives hints that all the major groups that control the planet now are alien races.

Saturnia is taken to the best exhorcist who is utterly impotent in this case as possessions are not demonic but alien.

Davide believes that aliens have no souls which explains why they abduct and possess people with highly developed souls because we have something they lack and want.

Through research Davide finds that it's all in the frequencies. -6.66 herz is the frequency which imprisons the soul. 666 herz is the frequency that liberates it.

"Awakening of Soul= -666"
which he understands as a frequency, i.e. -6,66Hz
(See the movie "6 GIORNI SULLA TERRA " https://youtube.com/watch?v=wgYN_ZkAjH4 at 1:10:00)

Saturnia, who is hosting Hexabor has escaped her confinement and has wondered amongst a group of young people. David finds her and organizes a party of lights and sounds for them to dance and party to. The sound is then lowered to -6.66 herz. This is intolerable for Hexabor because there is nothing to gain at this level because his host has nothing to give at this level. Hexabor then leaves his host. Saturnia is re-united with her parents who are, unfortunately, alien hybrids.

In Davide's final speech to his audience, he tells them that the secret is in the frequency and by manipulating frequencies is how the human race will survive.

[Daughter of Time]

Hello Voyager,

I guess I'll have to watch the movie again to see if there's been a misunderstanding on my part. But i won't be able to do that for days to come.

[Chester]

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)

Posted by Rahkyt (here)
Not dismissed, just saying. It doesn't take tech.

For those who can't afford it and must rely upon themselves.

That "tech" is not only the cheapest one there is but, from what I gathered, is intended to jump start individuals who are programmed into not believing they have such abilities and powers to start with... like learning wheels until one is able to realize it without them. It gives these individuals sufficient subjective "evidence" there is such a thing as "heart energy."

I have done what I have done completely without tech... I believe I have just recently accomplished it and I will be 55 in September. I probably should be dead several times over. If I had the "tech" years ago, I am all but 100% certain I could have avoided a great deal of difficulties.

I agree completely with Rahkyt that it can be done without tech. I believe completely with Amzer Zo that a device such that he described would have sped up the process immensely and perhaps I might have avoided a great deal of unecessary suffering (especially the suffering I put others through... loved ones through).

justoneman

[Ceedub]

Here is a bit more on toxoplasma as per sms's earlier post. This article was a front page headline on Yahoo, it just popped up without searching for it. Since I read sms's post it just clicks with me that higher level parasites would be coincident with lower level ones. I wonder if some might even require the little buggers to help open the door for them. The prevelence of 30% to 50% in the population is shocking although perhaps the higher parasites have higher numbers still. It seems like it's a brilliant bit of genetic engineering to me. I think I'll get out the wormwood and black walnut shell and start another parasite cleanse today. Might as well dust off my Terminator orgone zapper while I'm at it. Anybody have better parasite cleansing techniques than this, for the little ones I mean? Probably a good idea to work on both levels simultaniously.

http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/...e-and-suicide/

CW

[Mark]

Would this count as "higher level" parasites?

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/ar...-behavior.aspx

According to the authors, microbiota (your gut flora) may play a role in the communication between your gut and your brain, and:

"Acquisition of intestinal microbiota in the immediate postnatal period has a defining impact on the development and function of the gastrointestinal, immune, neuroendocrine and metabolic systems. For example, the presence of gut microbiota regulates the set point for hypothalamic-pituitary-adrenal (HPA) axis activity."

The neurotransmitter serotonin activates your hypothalamic-pituitary-adrenal axis by stimulating certain serotonin receptors in your brain. Additionally, neurotransmitters like serotonin can also be found in your gut. In fact, the greatest concentration of serotonin, which is involved in mood control, depression and aggression, is found in your intestines, not your brain!

So it actually makes perfect sense to nourish your gut flora for optimal serotonin function as it can have a profound impact on your mood, psychological health, and behavior.

These bacteria can interact with the "second brain": http://www.scientificamerican.com/ar...t-second-brain

The second brain informs our state of mind in other more obscure ways, as well. "A big part of our emotions are probably influenced by the nerves in our gut," Mayer says. Butterflies in the stomach—signaling in the gut as part of our physiological stress response, Gershon says—is but one example. Although gastrointestinal (GI) turmoil can sour one's moods, everyday emotional well-being may rely on messages from the brain below to the brain above. For example, electrical stimulation of the vagus nerve—a useful treatment for depression—may mimic these signals, Gershon says.

Parasites in the gut, affecting the second brain, influencing our behavior and feelings based upon their sense of safety or danger. Hm.

[9eagle9]

I take it back! I need that reputation to keep the parasites away from me.


[/I]

Posted by modwiz (here)

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
Yes i know quite a number of those who willfully mislead people for power, but the greater portion of people who suddenly decide they are a teacher of something, go on an unwittingly emotional cord in with their adherents. You can't say a word of criticism towards them no matter how innocuous . This may not be altogether that serious but it sets a foundation for more serious infiltration. We are not so much the victims of parasitical intrusion as we are the perpetrators of it no matter how unwitting or witting we are of it. Obviously magickal practitioners that raise parasitical 'gods' to leverage others are doing it on an conscious basis. I do it all the time, why and what I am doing it for is

When I get people so riled up on the forum, its because I'm pressing the entity button, not the whole person themselves. I know that. The person in question doesn't because they cannot separate themselves from the entity.

One sees this on this very forum when some vaunted guru or teacher is criticized even in a very innocuous way. The adherents raise a great out cry , and make it a big emotional fest....as noted in David Wilcocks threads, Salusa and GFL threads, Drake threads etc. Not realizing that is how people get corded into each other's energies and serve as batteries for things they are never going to be consciously aware of. Through emotions, particularly wounded or needy emotional bodies.

Having been invited to many group meditations and group visualizations (mental-ego circle jerks mostly) which are composed mostly of people cording into the person next to them (joining heart energies....(shudder) and being thrown out of the circle because of disrupting the 'flow' of energy (refusing the cord in ) people sense this on some interior level , a person who refuses to be sucked into this sort of thing are summarily ostracized.

But that's how they do it. A woman I know is an obvious programmer although I doubt she knows herself that she is programmed. She KNOWS she can manipulate people that much is obvious but she is hardly aware of how deeply she herself is corded into yurk.. She teaches manifestation but is overtly poverty conscious. If she can't get you with her circle jerking meditation she distributes a CD of brain scratching subliminated and NLP laden guided meditations. She hasn't a clue of what she is doing, she's just following orders herself without knowing it. What has infiltrated her is a bit more disturbing but....

besides myself there are a few others who realize this about her, but still continue to cord in and give this woman authority over them. My former very close friend knows this about this woman, that she's a programmer. Yet is somehow always attempting to gain validation and approval from her, not realizing the programmer is refusing to do so because she is threatened by my friends ability to know her for what she is. In order to gain approval from this woman, she attends these horrendous cording in meditation events that are just big energy sucks.

And then is punished for attending because she is not 'really in with the program'.

Because she was my very close friend we of course had an emotional cord of close friendship between us. So this programmer has a hard on for my friend, and just does some really nastly energy sucking on her and I feel the effects of it. One such incident left me with a stomach ache. I went to my friend so she could do some energy work on me and she's on the floor writhing in pain in the same area. The victim yet again of the programmer such, and I get the rebound effects of it because she and I were close friends. I finally had to tell her that our friendship had to end on a certain level , if she was going to keep putting up with this ****, its what you are doing to others when you get caught up in this chain fall of connection that people like to glorify as connected human consciousness when its simply a level of energy that allows us to enslave each other through our natural relationships with each other. I have unplugged myself from a vast number of people for the same reason.

My friend chose the programmer, who she knew was a programmer and wasn't even a pleasant person on a surface level because my friend had some deeply unresolved issues of self value she couldn't bring herself to address, and that is what the programmer's entity was leveraging, keeping my friend on a leash of attempting to keep winning this approval she was never going to get.

So yes people do enter into contract with these things consciously but are not fully AWARE of the implications as consciousness and awareness are two entirely different things. That is why this is so very difficult to break this mufti-tiered trap.

Posted by Daughter of Time (here)

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
It is disturbing to me how many gurus use such varied techniques to cord in to their students. Even on our common street level perception, not gurus and students you'd ever hear about persay. I'm certain these people haven't a clue what is occurring because the person that taught them before them hadn't a clue.

Hi 9eagle9

I agree that most "teachers" end up regurgitating the teachings of their gurus without being aware of the mis-knowledge and misinformation they are dispensing.

However, I think there are some gurus who do know they are misguiding their students and do so willingly in order to plummet their faithful disciples deeper into darkness. I'm not saying this to contradict you but because I've experienced intentional misleadings from some who professed to be imparting higher knowledge.

The dark side works by means of deceit and all too eager pupils readily and blindly accept what they think is wisdom and higher cognition.

Very enlightening post 9eagle, as well as being a very thorough reply to the post by DOT. Be careful, you might lose your reputation for being a raw meat-eating blue meanie.