The Bible

[crested-duck]

Posted by kreagle (here)
crested-duck,......or "anyone"?

What are the "intentions" of your previous post,..... #1398? Obviously you have "copied and pasted" this entire article from a "source" on www.One-evil.org. , as indicated at the bottom of your post. Furthermore, you have made no attempt to add any words of your own. Upon visiting this website, it is easy to tell that their main purpose is to be a "whistle-blower", of sorts, in reference to EVIL, in general. Catholicism is prominently mentioned here with a long, long, list of their ancient church history. Is this an attempt to expose, further, the many "sins" of the Catholic Church, by you?

Am I missing something here?

Love and Peace,..........kreagle

What was posted was for purpose of your awareness to this reality which directly effects us all daily still today... I highly suggest you take the time and put forth the effort to read : The Journey of UCA (universal conscious awareness", and The journey of Self, written by Frank O Collins....Sincertely Rob

[truthseekerdan]

Robert Beckford learned the Bible at his mother’s knee and grew up believing that it was literally true. But, 20 years on from his Baptist upbringing, Beckford is no longer so sure that ‘the good book’ is the pure, unadulterated word of God untouched by human hand.

For Beckford, who wrote the Bible matters more today than perhaps at any other moment in living memory. His journey takes him from Birmingham to the West Bank, from Jerusalem to Turkey, and from Rome to Bible Belt America.

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Link: http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/who-wrote-bible/

[observer]

Posted by truthseekerdan (here)

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Link: http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/who-wrote-bible/

It's been posted before, in this thread, truthseekerdan.

Thanks for bringing it back up.

Posted by observer (here)
Click-on forwarding arrow to see content of comment #875.

Beckford's work goes a long way in presenting evidence the Bible is the clever manipulation by hyperdimensional entities, through the skillful use of mental telepathy for the purpose of enslaving the soul of the Human species - an objective interpretation of the mass of evidence to this conclusion.

It's a matter of 'bait-and-switch'. Yeshua ben Joseph never subscribed to Yahweh being the 'One True God'. The concept that Yahweh is that God is all a manipulation of men who were telepathically influenced by hyperdimensional entities.

Read the Nag Hammadi Library !!! These are the books that should be included in the Bible, but were rejected by those hyperdimensionally influenced to reject this material so many thousand years ago.

But.... will those already so hypnotized ever make this realization??? .... or will they even look at the evidence???

[truthseekerdan]

Posted by observer (here)
It's been posted before, in this thread, truthseekerdan.

Thanks for bringing it back up.

Sorry observer my bad, did not read the whole thread to know that it has been posted...

Read the Nag Hammadi Library !!! These are the books that should be included in the Bible, but were rejected by those hyperdimensionally influenced to reject this material so many thousand years ago.

But.... will those already so hypnotized ever make this realization??? .... or will they even look at the evidence???

Good point, observer!
For those that only follow the bible for their spiritual progress -- what happened to these verses that are overlooked so often? "Do not quench the Spirit. Do not despise prophecies. Test all things; hold fast what is good. Abstain from every form of evil." -- 1 Thessalonians 5:19-22

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=hGBc5h7vRJE

Playlist of all 10 parts: https://youtube.com/watch?v=hGBc5...hannel&list=UL

[kreagle]

Posted by crested-duck (here)

Posted by kreagle (here)
crested-duck,......or "anyone"?

What are the "intentions" of your previous post,..... #1398? Obviously you have "copied and pasted" this entire article from a "source" on www.One-evil.org. , as indicated at the bottom of your post. Furthermore, you have made no attempt to add any words of your own. Upon visiting this website, it is easy to tell that their main purpose is to be a "whistle-blower", of sorts, in reference to EVIL, in general. Catholicism is prominently mentioned here with a long, long, list of their ancient church history. Is this an attempt to expose, further, the many "sins" of the Catholic Church, by you?

Am I missing something here?

Love and Peace,..........kreagle

What was posted was for purpose of your awareness to this reality which directly effects us all daily still today... I highly suggest you take the time and put forth the effort to read : The Journey of UCA (universal conscious awareness", and The journey of Self, written by Frank O Collins....Sincertely Rob

crested-duck,

Oh, I can assure you that I am "fully aware" of the long, long, history of the Catholic Church. I was just not fully persuaded what your "intentions" were,....so consequently my post.

As you have "alluded to", in your post,......there seems to be an "alarming number of individuals" who are oblivious to what has taken place in the past.

In my "very recent post",......(#1381,....on the previous page),.....the Word of God reveals that baptism was "exclusively performed" by the Apostles in the name of God, which is Jesus,........and "not" in His titles of ,......Father,....Son,.....and Holy Ghost!

The "horror" behind all of this is that multitudes, upon multitudes of "churches" are,.....and have been,.....falling prey to this "blatant" error, in the performing of this Holy Christian Ceremony,....(vital to the salvation of one's soul),......and are "still" baptizing in His titles of ,......Father,......Son,.....and Holy Ghost!

Any "seeker of truth",.....who becomes made aware of this kind of monumental discrepancy,......should immediately ask themselves,......."How did this happen?,.......When and where did this "first" happen and occur in Church history?,..........Where did "this train" come off the tracks?"

Somewhere along the line,.....this "diversion" was brought into existence,.......or given "birth" to,......and, as such, a "birth certificate" exists,.....somewhere!

If you, as a "seeker of truth", are willing to do,......just a nominal search of "Church history",.......you will find who is the "Father" of this "diversion",......and where this "birth certificate" resides!

The "birth certificate",...(doctrine of the trinity,....with "its" message of baptizing in His titles,......Father,......Son,.....and Holy Ghost),....resides in Rome, at the Vatican,.........and its "Father",.........is the Catholic Church.


The "trinity doctrine",.....first defined, by Catholicism, at the Council of Nicaea in 325 A.D., changed the "original" baptismal formula , used by the Apostles, in the Book of Acts. They changed the baptismal formula from the name of Jesus Christ,......to,.......Father, Son and Holy Ghost. (World Book Encyclopedia, 1984, Vol. T, p. 363. Also Chaney Encyclopedia p. 53)


(in conclusion)

Train "derailments" are a horrible thing to witness and observe. Church history has become "filled with carnage" over similar "spiritual derailments". Woe unto those who are responsible for the "derailments". Through all of this,.....I'm happy to report,.....there remains,....and always has remained,....a "glorious Church",.....washed in His blood,......and "on track". Glory to God!


Love and Peace,.......kreagle

[crested-duck]

The following can be found here:http://www.ucadia.com/uca/u23/231200.htm

The "end of time" as we know it







A revelation spoken of in all cultures is the end of time. A point where we cease to exist. In todays modern world, we consider this to be the extinction of life on planet Earth. Yet to those that wrote prophecies 2000 and 3000 years ago, the end of time could even have been as simple as the end of a civilization and its culture.







Such an event- the destruction of Jerusalem by the Romans, the abolition of the Jewish calendar of Time and the imposition of the Caesarian calendar of time (basically what we have today) would have certainly represented the "end of time" for ancient Jews. It is in the preceding years of this period, that the prophecies of John and the Apocalypse of the Essenes at Qumran (the authors of the Dead Sea Scrolls) were written. It is certain by the Dead Sea Scrolls and the basic architecture of the book of revelation that these texts were written. They were not written for, nor meant to be interpreted as prophecies of events yet to come 2000 years on.







The end of time can be seen not only as a physical event, but an associated cultural event as one cultures system of time is lost to another, or all cultures are lost together.







Interpreted this way, the "end of time" has been occurring in different parts of the planet for thousands of years. Even as recently as fifty years ago, the "end of time" was occurring in parts of Sth America, SE Asia and the Nth America as ancient indigenous cultures perished under Roman Time Law.





23.12.1

The nature of Time







The measurement of time is an essential part of an civilized system of organized settlement. Civilizations have designed their own calendars for thousands of years. The Aztecs, the Mayans had their own calendar of counting the days, weeks and months.







The Romans, under Julius Caesar were the first to implement an international calendar of measuring time. If we still used the calendar of Julius Caesar, this would be year 2300 something. As it is, we record this year as being 1997.







Year 0 of our present day Western calendar is supposed to link back to the year of Birth of Jesus Christ ( hence the historical usage of BC and AD). In other words, the year 1997 has its identification because it is regarded as 1997 years since Jesus was born.







In hindsight, the year in which Jesus was supposed to be born is now regarded as 3BC, as 3 years were somehow "lost" between 0AD and 1997AD. Therefore, if we took the original intention of the calendar to accurately list how many years since the birth of Jesus, then 1997 is in fact year 2000!





23.12.2

The pervasiveness of Roman Christian Time Law







The Roman Christian Calendar as devised by Pope Gregory IX has been a powerful weapon for that organisation and those that it supports. It has become the dominant method of calculating time and therefore in most people's mind "time itself".







We talk of Mondays, Tuesdays, Friday. We talk of hours, minutes and seconds and March, May and June. To us, this is time material. Yet time material is in fact a "working model" as structured and phrased by Roman Christian Politics 1600 years ago.







Yet what other value does this Christian calendar provide? For instance, does the calendar enable us to understand from say March 1997 that the 1st of each month= the cycle of the moon? or does the calendar assist in understanding the regular seasons of the Suns rotation around other Stars, then around the galaxy? More to the point, could we devise a calendar that simply could provide us an accurate measure of time AND position?







The answer is yes. The Christian calendar does nothing more than to entrench in the mind of every person that uses the calendar that 0 = Jesus' birth.





23.12.2

The power of controlling time







Could you imagine it- controlling time. Time itself in your hands- where you decide the calendar for managing 6 billion people's lives. This is the jewel in the crown of the most modern Roman Christian Empire- the Roman Catholic and associated Christian Churches. They control time across the planet and have done for hundreds of years.







It is a powerful weapon of reinforcement and politics that has existed within the Vatican armory for most of modern history. It has defined and redefined history to its own ends. It has set mind maps from which we rarely escape and consider- such as what about a 5 day week? or a four day weekend?





23.12.3

The stubbornness of the "end of time" Christian mindset







In spite of the original texts being quoted being written for ancient history and in spite of the Roman Christian Calendar being a made up human concept- many hundreds of millions of humans alive today believe that one day armageddon will appear, time will end as we know it when the revelation of ALL appears.







No matter how you try, the "end of time" images and reinforcement of Roman Christian Culture is virtually impossible to shift. Like ten tonnes of lead, it shuts peoples minds to possibilities and breeds internal ill and paranoia.







Therefore, repudiating the end of time as a figment of Roman Christian Mind Manipulation, the only was to overcome is push forward and say YES- NOW IS THE END OF TIME AS WE KNOW IT.





23.12.4

NOW IS THE END OF TIME AS WE KNOW IT







Supporting the prophetic belief that a messenger will come to reveal ALL at the end of time, is the recognition of a superior means of measuring time- a system that takes into account the orbit of the moon, the sun and its neighbours and a great cycle- the time of OPUS- ( as described in the section of this site called OPUS).







But from the true perspective of the creator, from the perspective of ALL, the highest ideal is life. And the greatest and most precious example of life is unique life forms that are self aware and geared to experience life in all its diversities.







The human being is such a lifeform. To UCA and to the ALL, we are the crowing glory of existence, for we are so alive and so unique (whether we sometimes understand this or not).







To UCA, intelligence is not the ultimate prize, nor are answering all the questions that have ever been asked. It is all knowledge, it is everything. That you are human 1st is the most prestigious of gifts and highest of honours. Unique, diverse life, forever is what ALL means.







That for all the knowledge you have read, for all that you are, what makes you most special is that you are human first. Being ALL is nothing special. Having a unique perspective, feeling emotions, feeling alive is.







It is time to come home to the underlying truth and understanding that ALL brings. You are you, yet you are more (LLA). But you are only more because you are you (ALL).







It is time to return to what it feels like to be human. Not to worry about how much or how little we know. To be happy. To be human first. To truly be yourself.

[Unified Serenity]

I humbly disagree duck. There were specific prophetic events that had to occur in a sequence. One of them was the complete removal of Israel as a nation, then for it to come back as if from the dead, that happened in 1948 after nearly 2000 years of not being a nation. That is a miracle. Then there are the last generation prophecies which are all falling into place. Of course Christians throughout the ages have been looking for the last days because they want to go home and sadly this world is not a great place for most Christians spiritually speaking. It's far easier to enjoy this world if one is of this world and doing well in it. Once someone is reborn with a heart of Messiah, they are no longer of this world, and it's quite an uncomfortable place to be, but one can learn to adapt.

I appreciate your sharing, we just disagree on some stuff.

[HORIZONS]

70 AD was the end of the world - end of the Age - for the natural nation of Israel, the Old Covenant was now over, and a New Covenant - a New Age - began. Many prophetic events - that many people are still looking for to happen - were in fact fulfilled at this time in history ... but that is another story.

A search and study of "70 AD" and what all happened then is a good place to start if you want to know more about this.

[greybeard]

I suppose where I have a concern is that is implied that The Bible is the only book that carries the word of God.
What about the Bagavadgita and the Koran just to mention two?
I feel that the assumption, if that be the case, that The Bible is the only valid place where the word of God can be found actually is a limited view of That which is without limit- God.
Human attributes are also put on God which I feel are limiting.
The God of the Old Testament seems vindictive-- showing favouritism--- my will or else and other all too human characteristics.

The God I believe in is a God of unconditional love.
I have experienced that Love when death came close.

Unconditional love in my understanding means exactly that ---that is without condition.
If you love God with all your heart in any non Christian tradition I believe that is enough.
If you love God then obviously you also love Christ as He is God.

"Call my name and you will be saved."
Various cultures have different names for God but I believe it is exactly the same God they are calling on.
To be clear I have no problem with Jesus the Christ being Saviour.

Chris

[Unified Serenity]

Truth is truth no matter the book one finds it in. There are a lot of great books that the Jew hating council of Nicea threw out. I have studied some and not others. I think before someone tries to denigrate another writing which others hold as important, sacred, spiritual that one read it with an open heart and not a mind devoted on proving it wrong.

[ROMANWKT]

Posted by Unified Serenity (here)
I humbly disagree duck. There were specific prophetic events that had to occur in a sequence. One of them was the complete removal of Israel as a nation, then for it to come back as if from the dead, that happened in 1948 after nearly 2000 years of not being a nation. That is a miracle. Then there are the last generation prophecies which are all falling into place. Of course Christians throughout the ages have been looking for the last days because they want to go home and sadly this world is not a great place for most Christians spiritually speaking. It's far easier to enjoy this world if one is of this world and doing well in it. Once someone is reborn with a heart of Messiah, they are no longer of this world, and it's quite an uncomfortable place to be, but one can learn to adapt.

I appreciate your sharing, we just disagree on some stuff.

Hi Unified Serenity
I would not call that " A miracle " I would call that genocide and mass murder.

Regards
roman

[GCS1103]

Posted by ROMANWKT (here)

Posted by Unified Serenity (here)
I humbly disagree duck. There were specific prophetic events that had to occur in a sequence. One of them was the complete removal of Israel as a nation, then for it to come back as if from the dead, that happened in 1948 after nearly 2000 years of not being a nation. That is a miracle. Then there are the last generation prophecies which are all falling into place. Of course Christians throughout the ages have been looking for the last days because they want to go home and sadly this world is not a great place for most Christians spiritually speaking. It's far easier to enjoy this world if one is of this world and doing well in it. Once someone is reborn with a heart of Messiah, they are no longer of this world, and it's quite an uncomfortable place to be, but one can learn to adapt.

I appreciate your sharing, we just disagree on some stuff.

Hi Unified Serenity
I would not call that " A miracle " I would call that genocide and mass murder.

Regards
roman

Roman-
I'm not surprised that you would categorize this as genocide and mass murder. I believe you have always made it quite clear what your feelings about Israel and Jews are. As the saying goes..."whatever floats your boat", Roman.

[truthseekerdan]

The world we live in is not the world we know. There is another world hidden behind the reality of the world we manifest within our consciousness. If we penetrate one, we must penetrate both in order to find meaning and balance. And if we have found meaning and balance in our lives, we have found unconditional love. Unconditional love is incapable of asking for anything. It can be defined as a dynamic force that embraces and transforms all things. It is a profound feeling of benevolence in the deepest and most unconditional sense, not as an emotional connection but as an energy that intrinsically unifies the mind and spirit to embrace within its transforming power, the complete spectrum of human experience.

Once we experience an unconditional quality of love directly, it is not contingent upon anything external or separate from our essential self. To know our essential self we must be able to release all negative energy patterns, including fear, into an unconditional quality that will allow us to feel balanced. This is an inner kind of balance that cannot be described; it must be experienced for there is a gap between what we can experience and what can be understood and conveyed in words.

Posted by greybeard (here)
...
Unconditional love in my understanding means exactly that ---that is without condition.
If you love God with all your heart in any non Christian tradition I believe that is enough.
If you love God then obviously you also love Christ as He is God.
...

Chris

Hi Chris,

To love God in any belief, tradition or denomination is actually to love others as much as you love yourself.

-- Galatians 5:14

Much Love To All

[ROMANWKT]

Hi GCS1103

You must be Jewish then, and the answer to you is that what would really float my boat is the Jewish people look hard and fast as to how they got the state of Israel in the first place, dump 40 million people into the desert take over and then slowly eliminate them, does that sound like a biblical miracle to you???? I have nothing against Jews, thats your view of me perhaps.

Regards as ever

roman

[GCS1103]

Posted by ROMANWKT (here)
Hi GCS1103

You must be Jewish then, and the answer to you is that what would really float my boat is the Jewish people look hard and fast as to how they got the state of Israel in the first place, dump 40 million people into the desert take over and then slowly eliminate them, does that sound like a biblical miracle to you???? I have nothing against Jews, thats your view of me perhaps.

Regards as ever

roman

Yes, Roman, I am Jewish. Did you forget about the enslavement of the entire nation of ancient Israel around 721 B.C.? Would you characterize that as mass genocide, or is that just an historical event that's acceptable. I learned a while ago that arguing and debating with certain people about this subject is a total waste of time. There is no winner. You will never convince me, nor will I ever convince you, that our thinking is faulty. That's the beauty of this forum, anyone can spout out whatever they want. Agreed?

[ROMANWKT]

Hi again GCS1103

Most of history and the bibles chronology is a lie, its been proven over and over, what was done at that time was not right, it was wrong, and such thing done to a nation and its people is wrong and that's it period. there is no argument between you and me because I am not arguing, I am telling of what we know.

To say to me what had happened to people so long ago, and to do the same thing yourself is what I am bringing up here, and you had it done to you in WW2, does not mean you do to others as they did to you, that's where we here on this forum find acceptable. this is not a matter of making me understand you, or a misunderstanding on my or your part. that not how we as a human race should be, but event are made this way without your permission, and here we are. Do not take this personal, its has nothing to do with that, this is an ongoing process world wide with all countries involved, without our permission and support, you and me have very little to do with going on, but its going on, I don't care who you are or what country you come from, my questioning the behavior of its doing would be the same, think what is right, don't support wrong.

regards
roman

[observer]

The major problem within this thread is this:

• Most of the Biblical supporters are commenting from a faith-based perspective.
  
• While most of those speaking against the validity of the Bible are commenting from a factual perspective.

The point that very little of what the Bible reflects as factual history can be verified by actual historic events, as revealed in archaeological discoveries, is the basis for any critically thinking individual to question the factual accuracy of the Bible.

• Allowing faith to guide your belief systems IS NOT what Avalon is about.
• Following the evidence - regardless of where it leads - is the purpose of the Avalon Forum.

I will offer several more links, beyond the many I've already offered, for those wishing to follow the evidence.

• What was the Persian Empire, and what were they all about?
  http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/20...giudice-text/1
  Take careful note of the first paragraph of this article. (By all means, read the entire article)
  Try to imagine how and where there was any mistreatment of Hebrews within the context of this Persian empire.
  
  
• Watch, further, this documentary on the history of the Persian Empire:
  https://youtube.com/watch?v=uP9bmTstvR4
  Pay particular attention to what is said at 6 min: 11 sec. Keep in mind this Persian Empire is the very Empire depicted in the Old Testament as the Babylonian Captivity.
  
  
• And, finally, with regard to the current off-topic debate regarding the validly of the "right" of the Israeli State to exit, watch this video regarding the source and heritage of the Zionist movement:
  https://youtube.com/watch?v=66zOg...C9CBE40E6FCFDC
  Allow the playlist to continue thru to the end.

[RedeZra]

Posted by observer (here)
[*]Watch, further, this documentary on the history of the Persian Empire:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=uP9bmTstvR4
Pay particular attention to what is said at 6 min: 11 sec. Keep in mind this Persian Empire is the very Empire depicted in the Old Testament as the Babylonian Captivity.

the Babylonian captivity ended because Cyrus the Great the founder of the Achaemenid Persian Empire conquered a successor of Nebuchadnezzar II and the Neo-Babylonian Empire

Cyrus the Great let the Jews go home and rebuild the Second Temple

[RedeZra]

Posted by greybeard (here)
I suppose where I have a concern is that is implied that The Bible is the only book that carries the word of God.

What about the Bagavadgita and the Koran just to mention two?

good question Chris

who was the inspiration behind the Bhagavad Gita and the Quran ?


spirits

they are playing with us

[RedeZra]

Posted by observer (here)
Beckford's work goes a long way in presenting evidence the Bible is the clever manipulation by hyperdimensional entities, through the skillful use of mental telepathy for the purpose of enslaving the soul of the Human species - an objective interpretation of the mass of evidence to this conclusion.

every major and minor religion has been inspired by hyperdimensional entities or spirits

also the Bible

which is inspired by the Spirit or God