Drake: Updates, clarifications and more

[frozen alchemy]

Boy has this thread deteriorated.

For what it's worth from a newbie, when I check out a new forum of any kind, what I'm looking for is both information I can't get in other places (perhaps from people well-placed to learn things I cannot) and also to get other people's points of view, to get a sense of what other people are thinking.

This thread, with some rare exceptions, reminds me of a grade school playground free-for-all. It's really too bad, because the potential is here.

Like I said in the very beginning of this thread, if what Drake was promising came to pass, no one could be happier than myself. If he was lying, it's tantamount to treason, because people can only get their hopes up so many times before they burn out and truly never recover. Add in that you never know who out there is holding on by their last thread and you can see the potential for violence, suicide, etc.

How's about everybody IGNORE Drake for a while? Wait and see if his predictions and connections are the real thing, or if he's just an old coot enjoying the attention? Now that everybody who was gonna is stocked up on toilet paper, water and freeze-dried food, we can all afford to just sit back and wait without the ongoing useless conversations about, in reality, nothing.

[Kristin]

Posted by Lettherebelight (here)
Those that would attempt to kill us refer to the military and police as their 'Dogs''.

They refer to the general populace (along with 'useless eaters'), as 'the Dead'.

This is where the Grateful Dead got the inspiration for naming their band.

Here's a little more info...
How did they get the name?

In Blair Jackson's book on the Dead, Garcia is quoted as saying:
"One day we were over at Phil's house...He had a big dictionary. I opened it and there was 'Grateful Dead', those words juxtaposed. It was one of those moments, you know, like everything else went blank, diffuse, just sort of oozed away, and there was GRATEFUL DEAD in big, black letters edged all around in gold, man, blasting out at me, such a stunning combination. So I said, 'How about Grateful Dead?' And that was it."

The dictionary entry reads along these lines:

GRATEFUL DEAD: The motif of a cycle of folk tales which begin with the hero coming upon a group of people ill-treating or refusing to bury the corpse of a man who had died without paying his debts. He gives his last penny, either to pay the man's debts or to give him a decent burial. Within a few hours he meets with a travelling companion who aids him in some impossible task, gets him a fortune or saves his life. The story ends with the companion disclosing himself as the man whose corpse the hero had befriended.(Funk & Wagnall's Dictionary).

The name has also been attributed to this quote, though it's generally believed that they came across this one later:

"We now return our souls to the creator,
as we stand on the edge of eternal darkness.
Let our chant fill the void
in order that others may know.
In the land of the night
the ship of the sun
is drawn by the grateful dead."

-- Egyptian Book of the Dead

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by SKAWF (here)

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by SKAWF (here)
well thats just marvelous!

"If you know others and know yourself, you will not be imperiled in a hundred battles; if you do not know others but know yourself, you win one and lose one; if you do not know others and do not know yourself, you will be imperiled in every single battle."

Sun Tzu, The Art of War.

Interpretation: We have to know what we're up against. This is the point.

thanks.

at what point do we know enough to act?

i wonder what Sun Tzu would do,
if he found himself under attack from our enemy

What a fantastic question.
(Worth a new thread of its own...)

My immediate response: he'd sit tight, wait, watch, sit tight some more, and compile as much information about the enemy as possible -- assuming that he already knew himself very well.

When he fully understood the enemy, then he would decide how to act. At the moment, if he was one of us, he'd still be collecting information: ruling nothing in, and ruling nothing out. He'd be well aware, as one of us right now, that there was still quite a lot which he didn't know enough about.

(This is, of course, my own position. I believe I understand the global controllers maybe 80 to 90%... but the catcher is that none of us know what we don't know. Maybe I only understand 10%, or less! Hence my motivation for still looking under every stone. )

[Lettherebelight]

The Grateful Dead, Ken Kesey and the Merry Pranksters, and other significant artists from the Beat generation were willing volunteers in the CIA/MK Ultra funded social experiment using LSD. Sid Cohen and Aldous Huxley I'm sure informed them of 'the Plan' of the Elite. I don't think they agreed with that plan, in fact I think they spent their lives laughing at it, and attempting to alert others to it and help free their minds. At least I'd like to think so!


Now we're really getting off track...

[Fred Steeves]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

When he fully understood the enemy, then he would decide how to act. At the moment, if he was one of us, he'd still be collecting information: ruling nothing in, and ruling nothing out. He'd be well aware, as one of us right now, that there was still quite a lot which he didn't know enough about.

Just one thing Bill, who exactly is "us"? Is this as opposed to "them"?

[Kimberley]

Posted by Vivek (here)
This commentary is great IMO. Go ahead, listen to it, I dare ya.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=BZPMVy0Ii_0

In this video, “Deep Space” provides an excellent commentary on the impending arrests of the global elite that has alleged by Benjamin Fulford, David Wilcock, Insider Drake and others. He also talks about the Federal Reserve and Project Blue Beam.

Source: http://consciouslifenews.com/comment...video/1128191/

Thank you for sharing this great video...I have not seen this guy before...he is very aware, IMHO, and I like what he said.

And to those that replied to my "executions are not part of the plan" All I want to say is that obviously you do not understand "good old boy" "red neck" talk...that is all that execution talk was...just a southern man thing...

And I want to again state publicly that I am not a follower of anyone!!! And I know that no one is going to save us!!! I am living a loving, fun, peaceful life and am grateful for that every second of everyday!!! And I did a lot of inner work to get to this point.

I came to planet earth to help hold the love vibration.

[Anchor]

Posted by frozen alchemy (here)
How's about everybody IGNORE Drake for a while?

Fantastic idea.

Within limits, and aside from a certain morbid interest in the cause and effect of the GAMEPLAY that is being played, that is what I am doing.

I figure, if you cant help, get out of the way.

<lurk mode resumed/>

[Whiskey_Mystic]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
What a fantastic question.
(Worth a new thread of its own...)

My immediate response: he'd sit tight, wait, watch, sit tight some more, and compile as much information about the enemy as possible -- assuming that he already knew himself very well.

When he fully understood the enemy, then he would decide how to act. At the moment, if he was one of us, he'd still be collecting information: ruling nothing in, and ruling nothing out. He'd be well aware, as one of us right now, that there was still quite a lot which he didn't know enough about.

(This is, of course, my own position. I believe I understand the global controllers maybe 80 to 90%... but the catcher is that none of us know what we don't know. Maybe I only understand 10%, or less! Hence my motivation for still looking under every stone. )

I have studied Sun Tzu and Bill is correct. It should also be said that to know your enemy, but not know yourself, is simply to be a spectator in your own destruction. You will always fall into your enemy's trap. I see this as a potential problem for many in the alternative media community. Everyone is studying the interesting opponent instead of understanding themselves, which is harder and not very much fun.

There is another aspect of Sun Tzu's teachings that applies here, though. Sun Tzu taught that you must choose the terrain of the battlefield and your position on it, and then force your opponent to engage you there. This requires patience. Your opponent will offer you enticing bait but you must not charge into battle in response. Wait and maneuver until you are in the proper position and then stay there. In this way, the battle will be won before it begins.

"The good fighters of old first put themselves beyond the possibility of defeat, and then waited for an opportunity of defeating the enemy." - Sun Tzu

[Brizil]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
What a fantastic question.
(Worth a new thread of its own...)

My immediate response: he'd sit tight, wait, watch, sit tight some more, and compile as much information about the enemy as possible -- assuming that he already knew himself very well.

When he fully understood the enemy, then he would decide how to act. At the moment, if he was one of us, he'd still be collecting information: ruling nothing in, and ruling nothing out. He'd be well aware, as one of us right now, that there was still quite a lot which he didn't know enough about.

(This is, of course, my own position. I believe I understand the global controllers maybe 80 to 90%... but the catcher is that none of us know what we don't know. Maybe I only understand 10%, or less! Hence my motivation for still looking under every stone. )

Bill, if you were living in the United States right now what would you do based on the 90% you think you may know? I only say this because you stated that you may not know what you don’t know. How will you know when you know what you didn’t know? I am really looking for solutions here. That’s why I became a member of this forum. I do know that there is plenty of disinformation out there. I have done extensive research, but I have not been able to differentiate what is disinformation and what isn’t. There are so many different interpretations of what is going on that it almost seems impossible to learn what we need to know about what we don’t know. Maybe the elite/PTB/PTW/Reptilians/Grey’s or whatever want it this way. Maybe they want it to be this difficult to understand what we need to know about what we don’t know by getting the ‘experts’ to call each other names and say I’m right and your wrong. Maybe they understand our ego’s better than we do. Maybe we are playing poker against an ‘enemy’ that can see our hand.

[Alie]

Posted by Brizil (here)
Bill, if you were living in the United States right now what would you do based on the 90% you think you may know? I only say this because you stated that you may not know what you don’t know. How will you know when you know what you didn’t know? I am really looking for solutions here. That’s why I became a member of this forum. I do know that there is plenty of disinformation out there. I have done extensive research, but I have not been able to differentiate what is disinformation and what isn’t. There are so many different interpretations of what is going on that it almost seems impossible to learn what we need to know about what we don’t know. Maybe the elite/PTB/PTW/Reptilians/Grey’s or whatever want it this way. Maybe they want it to be this difficult to understand what we need to know about what we don’t know by getting the ‘experts’ to call each other names and say I’m right and your wrong. Maybe they understand our ego’s better than we do. Maybe we are playing poker against an ‘enemy’ that can see our hand.

I know you asked Bill. But of course, I can relate to your post, which was also what lead me to the forum. There is absolutely NO WAY to KNOW anything with certainty. What we are doing here is like the days of old --- having coffee with a neighbor, debating in the public square, sending letters to our pen pals --- and therefore --- growing, deepening, becoming more than we were. In that, we'll eventually sort out for ourselves a veiled truth -- that speaks to the moment.

[Brizil]

Posted by Alie (here)
I know you asked Bill. But of course, I can relate to your post, which was also what lead me to the forum. There is absolutely NO WAY to KNOW anything with certainty. What we are doing here is like the days of old --- having coffee with a neighbor, debating in the public square, sending letters to our pen pals --- and therefore --- growing, deepening, becoming more than we were. In that, we'll eventually sort out for ourselves a veiled truth -- that speaks to the moment.

Thanks Alie! I have been frustrated by it all this week but I do have hope we will figure it out.

[NancyV]

Posted by Kimberley (here)
And to those that replied to my "executions are not part of the plan" All I want to say is that obviously you do not understand "good old boy" "red neck" talk...that is all that execution talk was...just a southern man thing...

I came to planet earth to help hold the love vibration.

I find that comment too funny to let pass! LOL... So all of a sudden "good old boy" "red necks" talking about killing is just talk?? Reality sure warps in strange ways when it gets in the hands and minds of peace and love new age types. I KNOW red neck types who were Vietnam vets. I'm married to a Vietnam vet from West Virginia. They don't talk about killing people just as a "southern man thing". They actually DO kill people.

In addition to Drake talking quite a few times about killing or executing people he also said several times that the ET's who are "helping" are going to extinguish the souls of the elite who wouldn't surrender by throwing them into the central sun....by a certain date, which of course passed without any action. Drake had no problem with the ET's killing all the elites who wouldn't surrender, so he is supporting killing or executions.

Trying to make this into something that feels better for those who claim to "hold the love vibration" is just plain silly and quite hypocritical. Personally I have no problem with the thought of a bloody revolution, because I've never read about or heard about a bloodless revolution or overthrow of a government. LOL...I just asked my husband if he thought that rednecks are some of the most deadly people on the planet and he said NO. I said what?? then Who?? His answer was....LOVE and LIGHT HIPPIES! LOL...I got a good laugh out of that.

[Unified Serenity]

Posted by NancyV (here)
.I just asked my husband if he thought that rednecks are some of the most deadly people on the planet and he said NO. I said what?? then Who?? His answer was....LOVE and LIGHT HIPPIES! LOL...I got a good laugh out of that.

I think I really like your husband Nancy!

[SKAWF]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by SKAWF (here)

thanks.

at what point do we know enough to act?

i wonder what Sun Tzu would do,
if he found himself under attack from our enemy

What a fantastic question.
(Worth a new thread of its own...)

My immediate response: he'd sit tight, wait, watch, sit tight some more, and compile as much information about the enemy as possible -- assuming that he already knew himself very well.

When he fully understood the enemy, then he would decide how to act. At the moment, if he was one of us, he'd still be collecting information: ruling nothing in, and ruling nothing out. He'd be well aware, as one of us right now, that there was still quite a lot which he didn't know enough about.

(This is, of course, my own position. I believe I understand the global controllers maybe 80 to 90%... but the catcher is that none of us know what we don't know. Maybe I only understand 10%, or less! Hence my motivation for still looking under every stone. )

i think he would be aware that even though a body couldnt win against a gun or a tank...
an idea is indestructible

[markpierre]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
"If you know others and know yourself, you will not be imperiled in a hundred battles; if you do not know others but know yourself, you win one and lose one; if you do not know others and do not know yourself, you will be imperiled in every single battle."[/I]

Sun Tzu, The Art of War.

Interpretation: We have to know what we're up against. This is the point.

Lol, great advice from a great military genius. But they're all dead now. It didn't really save them.

Try this; pick the worse possible scenario you can imagine and live it until it doesn't frighten you anymore. Then you may know what to do.
Is it so forgettable, or didn't anyone ever mention that our only real enemy is ourselves? It takes a little determination and discipline.
Or another paradigm entirely.

Content: A very messy world.
Context: Messy mind (and presumably a correction).

[Tony]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by SKAWF (here)

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by SKAWF (here)
well thats just marvelous!

"If you know others and know yourself, you will not be imperiled in a hundred battles; if you do not know others but know yourself, you win one and lose one; if you do not know others and do not know yourself, you will be imperiled in every single battle."

Sun Tzu, The Art of War.

Interpretation: We have to know what we're up against. This is the point.

thanks.

at what point do we know enough to act?

i wonder what Sun Tzu would do,
if he found himself under attack from our enemy

What a fantastic question.
(Worth a new thread of its own...)

My immediate response: he'd sit tight, wait, watch, sit tight some more, and compile as much information about the enemy as possible -- assuming that he already knew himself very well.

When he fully understood the enemy, then he would decide how to act. At the moment, if he was one of us, he'd still be collecting information: ruling nothing in, and ruling nothing out. He'd be well aware, as one of us right now, that there was still quite a lot which he didn't know enough about.

(This is, of course, my own position. I believe I understand the global controllers maybe 80 to 90%... but the catcher is that none of us know what we don't know. Maybe I only understand 10%, or less! Hence my motivation for still looking under every stone. )

Dear Bill,

Thanks for you input.

Could you explain what you do know? I find after all my research, I cannot believe anyone.
Forums are infested with such wild speculation, and to my amazement people will believe anything.

What I'm looking for is what is it that binds 'insiders' together?
Is it just greed?
Power?
Fear?

Or do they just rely on the speculative imagination of human?

Am I missing something?


Tony

[StarDust]

Posted by Avocadess (here)
Post #35 of the thread at this link has my notes from today's radio show with Drake:

http://jandeane81.com/showthread.php...3982#post13982

or (short url in case the link above doesn't work):

http://alturl.com/jdhtp

(Notes began from the middle of the show; I may post notes from the beginning of the show later if I am able.)

Wishing you the best day EVER..!!

Avocadess

Thank you Avocadess for the summary. I thought Drake's mention of the Keshe Foundation to be fascinating in its implications.

Drake was asked about the Keshe Foundation. Drake said yes, some of this technology will be released. [Note: see their website here: http://alturl.com/qxj5i )

Here's what appears to be the Keshe Foundation's mission:

The world peace invitation and release of technology

Following the meeting of the Keshe Foundation with the world ambassadors invited to Brussels on 21 April 2012, now our invitation goes to the nations of the world through their ambassadors and their leaders to attend a gathering on 6 September 2012 at the Keshe Foundation Center in Ninove, Belgium (or in any other place the nations may choose).

As your Excellencies have been aware, we invited representatives of every country to the first presentation of our technology on 21 April 2012. The ambassadors of some nations attended this meeting and others chose to ignore the call, due to pressure from other nations, and decided not to attend or withdrew at the last moment.

With this second invitation we directly and unequivocally invite the leaders of your nation to appoint qualified individuals who can take part in the upcoming meeting at the Foundation on 6 September on behalf of their governments.

The reasons for this invitation and the meeting are as follows:

On 21 September 2012 the Keshe Foundation will release the first phase of its space technology and the gravitational and magnetic (Magravs) systems it has developed, to all scientists around the world simultaneously, for production and duplication.

From that point on, international borders will cease to have any real significance. This is because, once the first flight system has been built and put into operation for the public, the time of travel for example from Tehran to New York will be about 10 minutes maximum.

The new airborne systems will enable every individual to make the same length of journey in the same time and at hardly any cost from any point on this planet. The craft will not be detectable with present radar technology.

The energy crisis will be resolved at a stroke, and once the technology is put into practice the powers that control energy supplies and through them the present financial structures will find their hands empty.

The world water shortage will be addressed and resolved by presenting this technology to the public soon after the release of our energy and space technology.

How we have done this?

For the past six years we have used the international patent system to make sure that every nation and major scientists around the world have a copy of our patents in their possession. (Please check the European patent and international servers downloads for number of downloads.)

Thus we have prevented any possible blocking of this technology by any individual or group and now most nations are in possession of our patents for energy generation, medical systems and space travel.

In this way the methods used in the past to prevent international development have been circumvented and now all nations have the same opportunity to work together to see that this technology is developed safely.

The principal point is that our technology is intended to be freely available to every government for the benefit of all its citizens. Through the systems we have developed every nation can have access to as much energy, water and food as they need, as well as to new methods of health care and of transport, all at very little cost.

According to its charter the Keshe Foundation and all its technologies are owned by the peoples of the world. The patents are the assets of every individual on this planet and cannot be claimed by any one person or organization or nation. This means that all income generated by the technology belongs to the nation that makes use of it.

We will release the list of countries invited to the meeting on 6 September 2012 and the full e-mail addresses of those who receive invitations, so it will be up to you as a government to make it known who from your nation will be attending this meeting.

By the time this email arrives at your embassies a copy will be posted on the Foundation forum and website so your citizens will be aware of the offer that has been made to you. Then it will be for you to make your response known to them, as well as to the Foundation, and we will gather the names of the delegates appointed and let your officials know where and how to meet.

Following this meeting, the presentation on 21 September 2012 will be the first step in the Keshe Foundation’s teaching program to share its knowledge and put it into the hands of the people worldwide. Once these new technologies and their benefits are known to the general public, the leaders of every nation will need to decide how they are going to implement them for the betterment of everyone.

At that point there will be two choices: either we all work together to change the life of everybody on earth for the better through the correct patterns of conduct, or the advanced nations of the world will see in the near future a flood of immigrants in tens of thousands flocking to the major cities.

We are prepared to present the technology to your representatives in any setting so that they can understand its implications and the changes it will bring about.

From now on, we can make sure that no child or adult will die of thirst or hunger and that no nation will be attacked by another, because the potential military applications of the new technology are so horrendously destructive that we will have no choice but to accept that fighting over the resources of the planet is a thing of the past.

There has been nothing wrong with protecting national assets, but now as the leaders of small regions of the Earth it is your responsibility to see that its resources are available to be shared, and that with the help of our technology everyone’s basic needs for energy, water, food and health care are met.

The Keshe Foundation takes no account of color, nationality, religion or political affiliation, thus our call is going out to every government to appoint a team of scientists to come and see our technologies at first hand. Then they can decide whether or not to make use of them. If you ignore this invitation your nation will soon have no choice but to follow the lead of the nations who have decided to develop them.

We call on your nation to start the process of world cooperation as soon as possible because once these systems are in operation, the frontiers that separate one country from another will have no meaning.

We have set the scene for a change of course for humanity and in the coming months we will see it through. In the near future people will come to realize that we are here to serve each other and not to be served, as all resources will be available to everyone at the same time and in the same measure.

M T Keshe
The founder and caretaker director of Stichting the Keshe Foundation

If the technologies behind the claims are real then it looks as if the mass transit and oil industries have officially been put on notice.

[danceblackcatdance]

Posted by StarDust (here)
If the technologies behind the claims are real then it looks as if the mass transit and oil industries have officially been put on notice.

I've been reading up on Keshe's stuff for a while now, if it's real (and he seems very sincere) he's also hailing the end of big pharma and also the end famine & drought... good stuff!

[StarDust]

Posted by danceblackcatdance (here)

Posted by StarDust (here)
If the technologies behind the claims are real then it looks as if the mass transit and oil industries have officially been put on notice.

I've been reading up on Keshe's stuff for a while now, if it's real (and he seems very sincere) he's also hailing the end of big pharma and also the end famine & drought... good stuff!

That is my understanding of what will transpire. Good to see it manifesting.

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by Brizil (here)

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
What a fantastic question.
(Worth a new thread of its own...)

My immediate response: he'd sit tight, wait, watch, sit tight some more, and compile as much information about the enemy as possible -- assuming that he already knew himself very well.

When he fully understood the enemy, then he would decide how to act. At the moment, if he was one of us, he'd still be collecting information: ruling nothing in, and ruling nothing out. He'd be well aware, as one of us right now, that there was still quite a lot which he didn't know enough about.

(This is, of course, my own position. I believe I understand the global controllers maybe 80 to 90%... but the catcher is that none of us know what we don't know. Maybe I only understand 10%, or less! Hence my motivation for still looking under every stone. )

Bill, if you were living in the United States right now what would you do based on the 90% you think you may know?

I would leave the country.