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    Or stay and fight.

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    I stand with you Vivek. Ain't no one running me anywhere I am not of a mind to go and I can assure you I will not live on my knees....


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    Or stay and fight.

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    The powers that be were only able to grasp power because of our failure to grasp power. Energy means an empty space will be filled eventually.

    If we cannot manage ourselves something will come along and manage ourselves for us.

    Wresting power from the ptb is not the sort of power , I for one , desire. It remains the only power that can be had is that which comes from ourselves.

    People who are not allowed to critique, or discern by their peers are under the same scrutiny as the powers that be employ. Don't look, keep our flaws hidden so that a false show of power can be maintained.



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    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    What a fantastic question.
    (Worth a new thread of its own...)

    My immediate response: he'd sit tight, wait, watch, sit tight some more, and compile as much information about the enemy as possible -- assuming that he already knew himself very well.

    When he fully understood the enemy, then he would decide how to act. At the moment, if he was one of us, he'd still be collecting information: ruling nothing in, and ruling nothing out. He'd be well aware, as one of us right now, that there was still quite a lot which he didn't know enough about.

    (This is, of course, my own position. I believe I understand the global controllers maybe 80 to 90%... but the catcher is that none of us know what we don't know. Maybe I only understand 10%, or less! Hence my motivation for still looking under every stone. )
    I have studied Sun Tzu and Bill is correct. It should also be said that to know your enemy, but not know yourself, is simply to be a spectator in your own destruction. You will always fall into your enemy's trap. I see this as a potential problem for many in the alternative media community. Everyone is studying the interesting opponent instead of understanding themselves, which is harder and not very much fun.

    There is another aspect of Sun Tzu's teachings that applies here, though. Sun Tzu taught that you must choose the terrain of the battlefield and your position on it, and then force your opponent to engage you there. This requires patience. Your opponent will offer you enticing bait but you must not charge into battle in response. Wait and maneuver until you are the proper position and then stay there. In this way, the battle will be won before it begins.

    "The good fighters of old first put themselves beyond the possibility of defeat, and then waited for an opportunity of defeating the enemy." - Sun Tzu

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    Hush. It's funny , positive and inspiring to watch those who emphasize how they are 'above' criticizing others moderate others not realizing that moderation of posts is of course criticism of a post...lol.



    As opposed to moderation that pragmatically understands that moderation is a form of criticism, and accepts of course that they are engaged in a function of criticism without attempting to separate themselves from that role or awkwardly attempt to rationalize they are not critical when they are obviously performing a judgement call and acts of criticism all the day long....lol.

    Moderation is a public act on it's own, and really can't be hidden from the observer.

    Someone who was truly non judgmental or critical would not be interested in the role of moderation. Its a bit obvious but if one doesn't want to work on a car they don't employ themselves as auto mechanics.


    But for the most part I've noticed a certain pragmatism to the function "Hey I have to judge your post. It's my job to be a criticizer as opposed to "I'm criticizing you because that is my job, but I'm not critical or judgemental..."

    What one may consider 'sub'- contract work.


    Consider how awkward it would be take upon a role moderation which is basically a role of criticism and then straining to deny that one has a critical or judgmental bone in their body. Of course its funny to the observer but that's all it is really is.

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    So, calling others negative, unenlightened, living in fear, and feeding the dark side sort of comments are not considered "lower density" living. I am sure I can go back into many threads and pull up just those sort of statements by a select group who does not like my opinion or those who tend to see things along the same lines I do? You see, that is what I was referring to. Again, selective moderation. We are used to it, but it doesn't mean we have to like it.

    Edit for further elucidation:

    Negative is an observation of what some would see as a condition or action of another, just as hypocrite is. I note again, that some observations are perfectly acceptable here for as select few.
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    And to those that replied to my "executions are not part of the plan" All I want to say is that obviously you do not understand "good old boy" "red neck" talk...that is all that execution talk was...just a southern man thing...
    Hi there Kimberley, sorry, but I just can't let that one slide. Being a native Floridian would make me a southern man I reckon, and although I'm not a redneck, I've been around them an aweful lot. Hell, I've even got a friend that just goes by "Barefoot", aptly nicknamed because of his extreme distaste for wearing shoes.

    Let me tell you, there is no such thing as "just a southern man thing" as you put it. Good old boys say what they mean, and mean what they say. It's that southern respect thing. If a redneck starts talking like he's going after someone, then that certain someone would be very wise to be expecting trouble.

    I'm just sayin...

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    I have to agree Fred! When one of them there southern boys commences to talkin in that way, well there is a reckonin coming your way probably sooner then later!



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    And to those that replied to my "executions are not part of the plan" All I want to say is that obviously you do not understand "good old boy" "red neck" talk...that is all that execution talk was...just a southern man thing...
    Hi there Kimberley, sorry, but I just can't let that one slide. Being a native Floridian would make me a southern man I reckon, and although I'm not a redneck, I've been around them an aweful lot. Hell, I've even got a friend that just goes by "Barefoot", aptly nicknamed because of his extreme distaste for wearing shoes.

    Let me tell you, there is no such thing as "just a southern man thing" as you put it. Good old boys say what they mean, and mean what they say. It's that southern respect thing. If a redneck starts talking like he's going after someone, then that certain someone would be very wise to be expecting trouble.

    I'm just sayin...

    Hey, you know I still love ya right?

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    Quote Posted by Vivek (here)
    Or stay and fight.

    Vivek, I am with you on this one. my family and i are not going anywhere. we will stand right where we are until the last breath is drawn. the ptw can kiss my a$$.
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    Thank you for sharing this great video...I have not seen this guy before...he is very aware, IMHO, and I like what he said.

    And to those that replied to my "executions are not part of the plan" All I want to say is that obviously you do not understand "good old boy" "red neck" talk...that is all that execution talk was...just a southern man thing...

    And I want to again state publicly that I am not a follower of anyone!!! And I know that no one is going to save us!!! I am living a loving, fun, peaceful life and am grateful for that every second of everyday!!! And I did a lot of inner work to get to this point.

    I came to planet earth to help hold the love vibration.
    Dear Kimberly,

    In response to your statement……

    “I came to planet earth to help hold the love vibration.”

    I would ask for some elucidation by asking a few questions, as a good friend of mine says “Inquiring minds need to know.”
    1. Can you please give us a description of what and how the love vibration manifests?
    2. What work did you do to achieve your personal state of happiness?
    3. How does continually promoting Drake, who has implicated that there will be blood in the streets “hold the love vibration”?
    4. Have you ever been attacked, in person, astrally or physically?
    5. Are you aware that there are groups of people that train as Spiritual warriors whose work it is to dissipate and free trapped dark entities? They don’t actually just sit at the edge of a pond and meditate. It is arduous and dangerous work.
    6. Have you ever encountered a dark entity telepathically or physically?
    7. Is the “love vibration” doing anything to fix the problem of Fukushima and the radiation that is spewing into the Pacific Ocean and atmosphere? If so can you please describe the mechanism of this.
    8. What evidence do you have to substantiate the claims that Drake is making?
    The veil of self deception and hypocrisy is the hardest to penetrate. I am not accusing you of anything and only ask these questions because they are the questions I ask myself.

    You may be doing more than anyone knows and that is good, but…. IMHO that fact that you continuously uphold the Drake material and “believe” though you say you “don’t follow anyone” bears asking these questions.

    La Tigra

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    A repost from this thread: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...ou-all-feeling

    Yes it does have something to do with Drake and his adherents and may explain why they experience a bit of conflict in this arena from certain areas.


    The date is a major occult date for the ritualistic powers that be, one that has been awaited for for a long time, and is the convergence point that all previous rituals that have gone before have been aimed for. The powers that be would like all your attention on that time frame as that will give more power to whatever rite they plan for during that time. It's Major cycle date where major rites are initiated, and this occult date is a time that only comes around very rarely over the ages and cycles of times that are arranged in an occult way. The powers that be have waited for this date for a long time because its important to them and the designs they have for themselves and their herd for the future.

    Without our participation they cannot succeed in this means of creating reality. So they have to get your agreement and participation.

    To make whatever they have planned the optimal manifestation they need more power, therefore they need a lot of people besides themselves focusing on that time frame, it lends energy they otherwise would not have because there's just not that many of them.

    Whatever rite they initiate in you may not be aware of of in the least but the effects of it and your participation of it will be known further on down the road.

    Yes there will be a major ritualistic even at the Olympics, the Olympics themselves is a ritual....right? It occurs every four years for the ptb to feed on. That is the event that people are waiting for....so there it is! The big occult IS the Olympics, no news there it happens every four years. I'ts a major part of their breeding/feeding program that even the athletes particpating may have no idea they are involved in although I suspect some do.

    No one is testing for steroids during the Olympics they take blood samples. You are talking about the mentally disciplined, the most endocrinic and hormonally perfect people (herds) in the world that the Olympics gimbols around. It's a bit obvious why they want the best of the herd jumping through hoops during this time.

    This is all done with our agreement of course.

    Take July 4th, America's indepenence day. Big day to raise a lot of energy to celebrate the 'thought' they are free but we are actually giving our agreement to the fact that we are not free at all, and celebrating that. And so we a lot of energy in that one day, binding our own prison, doing the usual rituals associated with rites, lights, fire, feasting that accompany any other ritual or holiday (holy-day). A quick mid summer pick me up for the powers that be that manage our energy.

    Look at the Drake situation where we had to have all our focus on July 4th for basically the same reason that I'm a quite sure that Drake inspite of all his claims of being superior in knowledge of the occult was entirely not aware of. Because he is not an occult practitioner, he is a occult thinker who thinks he knows how this sort of occult ritual works even as he is generating energy for it by fanning his fan flames, and his fans are eagerly participating in it.

    An orgy without the genitalia involved. Basic powers that be energy raising masked as something else. Not hard to mask stuff by re-labeling it as something else.

    We do not free ourselves from the occult prison the powers that be have created for us by expending energy towards their ritualistic practices. Participating in them in a energetic way.

    Is it ANY coincidence the whole Drake 4th of July blow-a-thon and the Olympics are coincident. No it involves the high rites of two major player countries that are prominent in the occult program of the powers that be--Great Britain (particularly London the seat of all this crap) and the US. Just another steering of the convergence point that is December 21st, 2012.


    My lack of support for 12-21-2012 , Fourth of July , Drake and his assholery is not because I'm un-spiritual or even unpatriotic, I'm not really given to participating in satanic rituals....his supporters seem to enjoy the energy raised for the powers that be in this way because they are ignorant of what they are doing.

    People are free to make agreement with this sort of energy that keeps them bound, even as they complain how they are imprisoned by it but there is no person on earth that can make me respect this nor participate in it. I'm certainly not going to be overly complimentary to those who participate in it.


    Laughing at the powers that be and particularly the occult way they bite people through the bag is good way to drag that energy generated by the hapless so it loses its anticipated effectiveness.

    I am after all not a very nice person but I am not helping others to create their own prison.

    I might add that while Drakes detractors are not entirely aware of this phenom they are sensing something is amiss on an intuitive level which is why the vitriole associated perhaps doesn't merit just one man and his band of dizzy followers, there's something a bit more dense lurking around it all...and people sense that.
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    Quote Posted by Fred Steeves (here)
    Quote Posted by Kimberley (here)

    And to those that replied to my "executions are not part of the plan" All I want to say is that obviously you do not understand "good old boy" "red neck" talk...that is all that execution talk was...just a southern man thing...
    Hi there Kimberley, sorry, but I just can't let that one slide. Being a native Floridian would make me a southern man I reckon, and although I'm not a redneck, I've been around them an aweful lot. Hell, I've even got a friend that just goes by "Barefoot", aptly nicknamed because of his extreme distaste for wearing shoes.

    Let me tell you, there is no such thing as "just a southern man thing" as you put it. Good old boys say what they mean, and mean what they say. It's that southern respect thing. If a redneck starts talking like he's going after someone, then that certain someone would be very wise to be expecting trouble.

    I'm just sayin...

    Hey, you know I still love ya right?
    Sebastion seconded that...and I third it.

    Was married to a cajun (coon ass) for 15 years...five of which was spent living in Louisiana. Trust me, they don't threaten...they warn.

    Never violence for violence sake...but payback can be a bitch if you do them wrong.

    Empty threats create a lack of credibility. Say what you mean, and mean what you say.

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    In any case, whether or not this is 'just the southern way' is not the point. Kimberley, you've been spending too long with Drake, because you just did a classic Drakeism. Your reply to us, if you hadn't been infected by these narcissistic habits, would have been something like:

    "OK guys, Mea culpa. I was wrong. I made a mistake. I'm sorry, I was wrong to yell at you guys that Drake had never mentioned executions, when it now turns out, he has ...several times. So I apologise ... but ... I would also like to point out that maybe you do not understand "good old boy" "red neck" talk...that is all that execution talk was...just a southern man thing... "

    But instead of admitting you were wrong and out of order, you threw up a load of pink smoke and tried to redirect the discussion into our purported ignorance of the idiosyncracies of those who live in the deep South ~ which we've also managed to debunk thoroughly anyway.

    In the same way, what would convince me that Drake is not a narcissist would be if he came on the radio and said something like:

    "Guys, I'm sorry. I promised you the best 4th of July ever. Instead, for most of us, including me, it has turned out to be the worst 4th July ever. I do apologise. I built up your expectations. I did it in all honesty, based on the information I was getting. But I take responsibility for it not turning out as I predicted... Now, here's what I think we should do next..."

    Instead, he didn't even acknowledge people's expecations but continued on with a litany of so-called 'news' of events that were nothing to do with him and associates, and were in any case, out of date, and claimed them as proof that the 'plan' was working.

    I'd like to be clear, I'm not accusing you, Kimberley, of being a narcissist. But that kind of bad behaviour and lack of respect for people (in not acknowledging a transaction that has taken place, but riding roughshod over it and carrying on) rubs off, and it now appears to have rubbed off on you.
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    Because as i noted before Drake and his followers are not operating around exactly pure orientations of energy. They are ignorant of this fact. Nor do they wish to be informed of what is occurring here so must deny any participation in it.

    The best on can do is operate for those who are not busily hammering down the coffin lid on their last remaining bit of AUTHENTIC sovereignty.

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    Quote Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
    The date is a major occult date for the ritualistic powers that be, one that has been awaited for for a long time, and is the convergence point that all previous rituals that have gone before have been aimed for. The powers that be would like all your attention on that time frame as that will give more power to whatever rite they plan for during that time. It's Major cycle date where major rites are initiated, and this occult date is a time that only comes around very rarely over the ages and cycles of times that are arranged in an occult way. The powers that be have waited for this date for a long time because its important to them and the designs they have for themselves and their herd for the future.
    It's all about power and energy. Who has it, who wants it, who can hold it and focus it, etc.

    There are several threads on this Forum discussing the Archon's and how they are energy vampires because they do not hold the feminine vibration of the heart and the ability to emote and have empathy, and how they are vampiring our energy. There are just as many threads on how we can generate life force, hold it, focus it and have a Kundalini awakening.

    This is at the crux of the "grand experiment" here on earth. The evil Archon's may be planning the mother of all human sacrifices to offer up the life force energy of 2/3 of the humans on this planet to their god's...OR we could awaken and hold enough life force and enough intention to where we manifest the future we want.

    If we don't figure this out then I think were screwed. The Pleiadian's and the Orion's both know this. The hybridization, which has occurred here on earth, was designed to exchange the external technological prowess for the internal spiritual prowess, and meld these two into a species which would hold both, and give both a way to survive.

    Kimberly is correct that we need to learn to embrace the inner spiritual prowess, yet those who are looking at the external technology and how it is manifesting and being used, without the internal, are also correct. Bill is indicating that they may be getting ready to abandon the experiment in the "Ultimate hypothesis" and is recommending, based on his 90% worldview, which could just be 10%, that we are in for a rough ride, especially in the United States.

    But, regardless of where we are, we are energetic beings WHO MUST take charge of our own energy fields, quit giving our energy away to saviors, learn how to use our energy righteously (right use of energy) and manifest the future we want.

    As long as the elite can create divisiveness and feed us the dialectics they want us to argue about, their agenda rolls along. This whole thread is most likely one of those dialectics.
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    Gripreaper, I have a lot of respect for you and your views, but I have to say, you've just come up with a whole scenario regarding ETs for which we have no evidence is true, and then used that false and unproven premise to posit a theory leading to the conclusion that we shouldn't post in here.

    You are entitled to your beliefs...

    But I think this has been one of the best and most useful discussions I've ever taken part in, and it's why I come back here again and again, to read such interesting, well written posts (including your own) and deep and well-thought out ideas that I can take away and think about.

    There is nothing essentially in this thread that can give any comfort to the powers-that-be apart from the obvious blind and unquestioning devotion to an extremely fallible and unreliable leader.
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    Quote Posted by Ishtar (here)
    I'd like to be clear, I'm not accusing you, Kimberley, of being a narcissist. But that kind of bad behaviour and lack of respect for people (in not acknowledging a transaction that has taken place, but riding roughshod over it and carrying on) rubs off, and it now appears to have rubbed off on you.
    Oh good! Given that the definition of Narcissism is:

    nar·cis·sism   [nahr-suh-siz-em]
    noun
    1.
    inordinate fascination with oneself; excessive self-love; vanity. Synonyms: self-centeredness, smugness, egocentrism.
    2.
    Psychoanalysis . erotic gratification derived from admiration of one's own physical or mental attributes, being a normal condition at the infantile level of personality development.


    Let's not attach labels to members, it really isn't useful. As for who has been ridden roughshod in the last 3,000 plus posts, let's be honest here as well. The evidence is on the thread. I much prefer the "respectful" questioning of La Tigra here:

    https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post518808

    ... just as an example of how to make a point in a respectful manner without calling fellow Avalon members names.

    Sierra

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    I might add participating in this sort of thing is not "holding love vibration" .

    Being fully cognizant through one's clearing out process of the things that La Tigra has emphasized would be holding a love vibration. Love doesn't have to be held, it has to have a space created for it and when the space is filled up with all this low density matter its pushed aside for surface ego emotions that pass as love, which is more like attachment and emotional manipulation.


    Quote Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
    A repost from this thread: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...ou-all-feeling

    Yes it does have something to do with Drake and his adherents and may explain why they experience a bit of conflict in this arena from certain areas.


    The date is a major occult date for the ritualistic powers that be, one that has been awaited for for a long time, and is the convergence point that all previous rituals that have gone before have been aimed for. The powers that be would like all your attention on that time frame as that will give more power to whatever rite they plan for during that time. It's Major cycle date where major rites are initiated, and this occult date is a time that only comes around very rarely over the ages and cycles of times that are arranged in an occult way. The powers that be have waited for this date for a long time because its important to them and the designs they have for themselves and their herd for the future.

    Without our participation they cannot succeed in this means of creating reality. So they have to get your agreement and participation.

    To make whatever they have planned the optimal manifestation they need more power, therefore they need a lot of people besides themselves focusing on that time frame, it lends energy they otherwise would not have because there's just not that many of them.

    Whatever rite they initiate in you may not be aware of of in the least but the effects of it and your participation of it will be known further on down the road.

    Yes there will be a major ritualistic even at the Olympics, the Olympics themselves is a ritual....right? It occurs every four years for the ptb to feed on. That is the event that people are waiting for....so there it is! The big occult IS the Olympics, no news there it happens every four years. I'ts a major part of their breeding/feeding program that even the athletes particpating may have no idea they are involved in although I suspect some do.

    No one is testing for steroids during the Olympics they take blood samples. You are talking about the mentally disciplined, the most endocrinic and hormonally perfect people (herds) in the world that the Olympics gimbols around. It's a bit obvious why they want the best of the herd jumping through hoops during this time.

    This is all done with our agreement of course.

    Take July 4th, America's indepenence day. Big day to raise a lot of energy to celebrate the 'thought' they are free but we are actually giving our agreement to the fact that we are not free at all, and celebrating that. And so we a lot of energy in that one day, binding our own prison, doing the usual rituals associated with rites, lights, fire, feasting that accompany any other ritual or holiday (holy-day). A quick mid summer pick me up for the powers that be that manage our energy.

    Look at the Drake situation where we had to have all our focus on July 4th for basically the same reason that I'm a quite sure that Drake inspite of all his claims of being superior in knowledge of the occult was entirely not aware of. Because he is not an occult practitioner, he is a occult thinker who thinks he knows how this sort of occult ritual works even as he is generating energy for it by fanning his fan flames, and his fans are eagerly participating in it.

    An orgy without the genitalia involved. Basic powers that be energy raising masked as something else. Not hard to mask stuff by re-labeling it as something else.

    We do not free ourselves from the occult prison the powers that be have created for us by expending energy towards their ritualistic practices. Participating in them in a energetic way.

    Is it ANY coincidence the whole Drake 4th of July blow-a-thon and the Olympics are coincident. No it involves the high rites of two major player countries that are prominent in the occult program of the powers that be--Great Britain (particularly London the seat of all this crap) and the US. Just another steering of the convergence point that is December 21st, 2012.


    My lack of support for 12-21-2012 , Fourth of July , Drake and his assholery is not because I'm un-spiritual or even unpatriotic, I'm not really given to participating in satanic rituals....his supporters seem to enjoy the energy raised for the powers that be in this way because they are ignorant of what they are doing.

    People are free to make agreement with this sort of energy that keeps them bound, even as they complain how they are imprisoned by it but there is no person on earth that can make me respect this nor participate in it. I'm certainly not going to be overly complimentary to those who participate in it.


    Laughing at the powers that be and particularly the occult way they bite people through the bag is good way to drag that energy generated by the hapless so it loses its anticipated effectiveness.

    I am after all not a very nice person but I am not helping others to create their own prison.

    I might add that while Drakes detractors are not entirely aware of this phenom they are sensing something is amiss on an intuitive level which is why the vitriole associated perhaps doesn't merit just one man and his band of dizzy followers, there's something a bit more dense lurking around it all...and people sense that.

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    ... just as an example of how to make a point in a respectful manner without calling fellow Avalon members names.

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    I think you need to read my post again Sierra. I made it very clear that I was not calling Kimberley a narcissist.

    Quote I'd like to be clear, I'm not accusing you, Kimberley, of being a narcissist.
    I called her out on her behaviour towards members here, and I have a right to do that. You have the right to disagree, but don't call it modding, because it's not.

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    Is the clinical definition of Narcissism the same as the energy one carries?

    The ptb defined what a Narcissist is , energetically and authentically it's quite something else.

    Hmm quite possibly a topic for another thread.

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    And to those that replied to my "executions are not part of the plan" All I want to say is that obviously you do not understand "good old boy" "red neck" talk...that is all that execution talk was...just a southern man thing...
    Hi there Kimberley, sorry, but I just can't let that one slide. Being a native Floridian would make me a southern man I reckon, and although I'm not a redneck, I've been around them an aweful lot. Hell, I've even got a friend that just goes by "Barefoot", aptly nicknamed because of his extreme distaste for wearing shoes.

    Let me tell you, there is no such thing as "just a southern man thing" as you put it. Good old boys say what they mean, and mean what they say. It's that southern respect thing. If a redneck starts talking like he's going after someone, then that certain someone would be very wise to be expecting trouble.

    I'm just sayin...

    Hey, you know I still love ya right?
    I will take Fred's word for it since he is a southern boy.

    For someone who is attempting to lead others as Mister Drake is, such statements are at best wildly irresponsible. There is no excuse.

    And no, the "just the messenger" dodge of responsibility will not fly.
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    Gripreaper, I have a lot of respect for you and your views, but I have to say, you've just come up with a whole scenario regarding ETs for which we have no evidence is true, and then used that false and unproven premise to posit a theory leading to the conclusion that we shouldn't post in here.
    I'm not sure where you got that conclusion from what I wrote. It's not a hypothesis of mine that we have been visited or manipulated by off world entities, both now and for the last several hundred thousand years. I think there is enough evidence to substantiate that. Sure, what might transpire in the future, or what their internal intentions are is speculation, but I do think is is still healthy to make inferences based on what we do know.

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    But I think this has been one of the best and most useful discussions I've ever taken part in, and it's why I come back here again and again, to read such interesting, well written posts (including your own) and deep and well-thought out ideas that I can take away and think about.
    This thread has been a commentary on many things, including the polarized states we still bounce off of, as well as the memes we cling to, and the ability to still think critically and evolve and change, or not. I don't know where you got that we shouldn't post in here.

    The salient point was about energy, life force, the very essence of the cosmos, which is in all things and IS all things, and how it forms and transforms, and how we might move in the direction of unifying the polarities and stop bouncing off the polarized opposites so much. The idea of unifying the external technology with the internal is not an idea of mine and as far as I know, is not new.

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