Drake: Updates, clarifications and more

[Sierra]

Posted by Unified Serenity (here)

Posted by Sierra (here)

Posted by Unified Serenity (here)
Somehow it's ok to call people as negative, of lower vibrational and out of touch, spiritually unenlightened, living in fear, sharing fear porn, and other character judgements of them while saying someone is a hypocrite is against the rules. The thread has gone off course because there is selective moderation. That being said, I think we all have a really good idea that Drake et all are full of crap and nothing is happening though we would like it to.

Yes, I said your posts were negative, i.e. attacking others. The phrases "of lower vibrational", "out of touch", "spiritually unenlightened", "living in fear", "sharing fear porn" are not things I have ever said about any member of Avalon.

"Selective" moderation, i.e. posts insulting other members, will continue.

You are entitled to your opinions re Drake, though assuming "we all have a really good idea that Drake et all are full of crap and nothing is happening though we would like it to." may be a bit unrealistic. I have not posted on Drake, and therefore, your assumption may be completely erroneous.

Sierra

Boy, you really are locked into a paradigm of not understanding my complaints. You do not moderate those who do make such claims about me, 9E9, Ishtar etc.. You are quite nicely showing your blind bias. Thank you for admitting it so openly. You can't even see the attacks against our character, but boy you sure to watch our posts. You are such a good lil mod, and we all thank you for serving the community and showing us how far we have to grow.

You are welcome.

Now if members would be "good lil" members and not insult fellow Avaloners I'd ghost away like a boojun.

Sierra

[Unified Serenity]

Posted by Sierra (here)

Posted by Unified Serenity (here)

Posted by Sierra (here)

Posted by Unified Serenity (here)
Somehow it's ok to call people as negative, of lower vibrational and out of touch, spiritually unenlightened, living in fear, sharing fear porn, and other character judgements of them while saying someone is a hypocrite is against the rules. The thread has gone off course because there is selective moderation. That being said, I think we all have a really good idea that Drake et all are full of crap and nothing is happening though we would like it to.

Yes, I said your posts were negative, i.e. attacking others. The phrases "of lower vibrational", "out of touch", "spiritually unenlightened", "living in fear", "sharing fear porn" are not things I have ever said about any member of Avalon.

"Selective" moderation, i.e. posts insulting other members, will continue.

You are entitled to your opinions re Drake, though assuming "we all have a really good idea that Drake et all are full of crap and nothing is happening though we would like it to." may be a bit unrealistic. I have not posted on Drake, and therefore, your assumption may be completely erroneous.

Sierra

Boy, you really are locked into a paradigm of not understanding my complaints. You do not moderate those who do make such claims about me, 9E9, Ishtar etc.. You are quite nicely showing your blind bias. Thank you for admitting it so openly. You can't even see the attacks against our character, but boy you sure to watch our posts. You are such a good lil mod, and we all thank you for serving the community and showing us how far we have to grow.

You are welcome.

Now if members would be "good lil" members and not insult fellow Avaloners I'd ghost away like a boojun.

Sierra

Oh, you will have a chokehold on the fifth chakra for some time Sierra, but as you are showing what appears to me as blind bias, you won't have a clue what I am talking about. As above so below, and mirror mirror is the most ancient of truths.

[9eagle9]

Yes the left hand is aware of what the right hand is doing. There isn't a south paw in the forum that's not.

(Left hand): You called Unified Serenity a clueless ******* therefore you are moderated (right hand) for calling names, you dumb *******! [/QUOTE]

[Sierra]

Posted by Unified Serenity (here)

Posted by Sierra (here)

You are welcome.

Now if members would be "good lil" members and not insult fellow Avaloners I'd ghost away like a boojun.

Sierra

Oh, you will have a chokehold on the fifth chakra for some time Sierra, but as you are showing what appears to me as blind bias, you won't have a clue what I am talking about. As above so below, and mirror mirror is the most ancient of truths.

I couldn't grab someone's (or mine) chakra if my life depended on it.

Why don't you PM me on my blind bias. You have been attributing quite a few things to me that I never said, and you have not responded to my pointing this out.

I guess this would be an example of "roughshod" behavior ..

Sierra

[Kristin]

Whoa! Ok ladies (Wormhole walks in and digs mud out of her eye), One heck of a powerhouse group here I might add. First let me start and say that I have the utmost respect for all of you. That is on an intellectual and spiritual level in all cases. It would show the most grace in this situation if all of you agreed to take a deep breath with regards to a few of the posts that I have been recently reading on this thread. We are all trying to be more diplomatic with respect to those that disagree with certain aspects of our own personal philosophies. That is a good thing. In many cases we need to bite our tongues when we feel that a way of thinking is not correct. I agree that it is important for Mods to show the greatest care in creating responses to posts as well as all the other forum members. Sometimes we could do a better job, but in most cases we do our best and we have a great forum as a result.

I feel that it is of the utmost importance that people are allowed to speak their minds and be honest with regards to their opinions about any given topic that this forum brings up. Doing this with respect for others and their opinions without being overtly confrontational is indeed possible. Sometimes people will take offence no matter how you word an opinion. But we are not perfect and this does not mean that there is an open door to shovel more in if another disregards being civil. That's why we are here as Mods, to aid these uncomfortable times and try to smooth things out.

All I'm trying to say here in a nutshell is let's (all of us) put our best foot forward. The issues involving Drake are important. It's intense for those that believe in it and it's just as intense for those that don't. For those that do... all their trust and hopes are going into this and they want so badly to see things improve. It's hard for them to understand why people are not backing this. For those that don't... the people on the Drake side look blind. Why can't they shake off the dust and see the real picture? It's just plain dangerous for them and us.

Tough one. But what's even tougher is when we get caught up with the emotions and turn to clever semantics. Posts are no longer about trying to enlighten others, they become about how to mask rebuttals in a way that is still slinging mud into the conversation. Everyone gets caught in this quicksand and we are no longer having a conversation about Drake. Instead we are pulling out mirrors and trying to get others to see themselves as wrong. Oh yes, there are imperfections everywhere in our psyches. That conversation will be endless until all folks involved have reached enlightenment.... could take a long time I would wager.

So we are here to talk about Drake? No? game on.

From the Heart,
Wormhole

[Unified Serenity]

Posted by Kristin (here)
Whoa! Ok ladies (Wormhole walks in and digs mud out of her eye), One heck of a powerhouse group here I might add. First let me start and say that I have the utmost respect for all of you. That is on an intellectual and spiritual level in all cases. It would show the most grace in this situation if all of you agreed to take a deep breath with regards to a few of the posts that I have been recently reading on this thread. We are all trying to be more diplomatic with respect to those that disagree with certain aspects of our own personal philosophies. That is a good thing. In many cases we need to bite our tongues when we feel that a way of thinking is not correct. I agree that it is important for Mods to show the greatest care in creating responses to posts as well as all the other forum members. Sometimes we could do a better job, but in most cases we do our best and we have a great forum as a result.

I feel that it is of the utmost importance that people are allowed to speak their minds and be honest with regards to their opinions about any given topic that this forum brings up. Doing this with respect for others and their opinions without being overtly confrontational is indeed possible. Sometimes people will take offence no matter how you word an opinion. But we are not perfect and this does not mean that there is an open door to shovel more in if another disregards being civil. That's why we are here as Mods, to aid these uncomfortable times and try to smooth things out.

All I'm trying to say here in a nutshell is let's (all of us) put our best foot forward. The issues involving Drake are important. It's intense for those that believe in it and it's just as intense for those that don't. For those that do... all their trust and hopes are going into this and they want so badly to see things improve. It's hard for them to understand why people are not backing this. For those that don't... the people on the Drake side look blind. Why can't they shake off the dust and see the real picture? It's just plain dangerous for them and us.

Tough one. But what's even tougher is when we get caught up with the emotions and turn to clever semantics. Posts are no longer about trying to enlighten others, they become about how to mask rebuttals in a way that is still slinging mud into the conversation. Everyone gets caught in this quicksand and we are no longer having a conversation about Drake. Instead we are pulling out mirrors and trying to get others to see themselves as wrong. Oh yes, there are imperfections everywhere in our psyches. That conversation will be endless until all folks involved have reached enlightenment.... could take a long time I would wager.

So we are here to talk about Drake? No? game on.

From the Heart,
Wormhole

Ok, nice way to say take a break. I will on this thread Kristin, but it does not negate that others have been allowed for months to bring my and other's character into question in post after post and now suddenly Sierra wants to start moderating us. She has not moderated them once as far as I can tell, and she herself has exhibited the very rude behavior mods are supposedly moderating. I will end it here for now. My words stand, and I think this has been quite telling. You of course are doing your job, and I thank you for that.

[Sierra]

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
Yes the left hand is aware of what the right hand is doing. There isn't a south paw in the forum that's not.

(Left hand): You called Unified Serenity a clueless ******* therefore you are moderated (right hand) for calling names, you dumb *******!

Nope. Went over yesterday's posts, and no where did I call U.S. a clueless ******** and if you think I am dumb *******, that is your problem.

I thought you had a bit more respect for truth when it came to attributing statements to people. I respectfully request you start quoting me.

Sierra

[9eagle9]

The thread is just another symptom of a pre-existing polarization. Another thread that was a symptom was the Great Wilcocks Death threat and then all other threads where the Great Guru's speak much but say little, and are place for the adherents to content themselves with by having a 'side' to be on with a lot of other people who have chosen a side.

Because of the energies that people have chosen long before these threads ever came into existence are where the real polarization has occured, this thread is not so much polarizing but just another symptom of polarization.

We have a limited number of non-gurus, and non adherents that all predicted nothing in particular, frex, on July 4th would happen, showing that their ability to predict events exceeds that ability of the gurus and their adherents. We didn't require broadcasts and radios shows and our own personal little messengers scurrying back and forth to serve us. It just emerged from the right now and in the present with no planning, no military action, no bells and whistles and idle threats and patriotic speeches.

This of course was perceived as a criticism but now the predictions have all come to pass, on the part of the few.

It shows a rising a power emerging from a pre-existing polarization.

Posted by gripreaper (here)

Posted by Fred Steeves (here)

I like this one Fred, because you need to have an audience too.



This thread has polarized several times in the last 90 days since Drake came on the scene. I'm somewhat surprised it held together as long as it did!

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Yes I understand the metaphor isn't known to you.

Posted by Sierra (here)

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
Yes the left hand is aware of what the right hand is doing. There isn't a south paw in the forum that's not.

(Left hand): You called Unified Serenity a clueless ******* therefore you are moderated (right hand) for calling names, you dumb *******!

Nope. Went over yesterday's posts, and no where did I call U.S. a clueless ******** and if you think I am dumb *******, that is your problem.

I thought you had a bit more respect for truth when it came to attributing statements to people. I respectfully request you start quoting me.

Sierra

[Sierra]

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
[/COLOR]Yes I understand the metaphor isn't known to you.

Posted by Sierra (here)

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
Yes the left hand is aware of what the right hand is doing. There isn't a south paw in the forum that's not.

(Left hand): You called Unified Serenity a clueless ******* therefore you are moderated (right hand) for calling names, you dumb *******!

Nope. Went over yesterday's posts, and no where did I call U.S. a clueless ******** and if you think I am dumb *******, that is your problem.

I thought you had a bit more respect for truth when it came to attributing statements to people. I respectfully request you start quoting me.

Sierra

The metaphor is meaningless if there is no basis in truth. I did not say that about United Serenity, and to refer to the metaphor without acknowledging the untruth, is specious.

[9eagle9]

Strangely I'm certain Unified Serenity understood the meaning in it .

I never said that you said that about her, that why I said its a metaphor not literal.

[Sierra]

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
Strangely I'm certain Unified Serenity understood the meaning in it .

I never said that you said that about her, that why I said its a metaphor not literal.

Oh you point it out after the fact? LOL!

[NancyV]

Posted by Sierra (here)

Posted by Ishtar (here)
I'd like to be clear, I'm not accusing you, Kimberley, of being a narcissist. But that kind of bad behaviour and lack of respect for people (in not acknowledging a transaction that has taken place, but riding roughshod over it and carrying on) rubs off, and it now appears to have rubbed off on you.

Oh good! Given that the definition of Narcissism is:

nar·cis·sism   [nahr-suh-siz-em]
noun
1.
inordinate fascination with oneself; excessive self-love; vanity. Synonyms: self-centeredness, smugness, egocentrism.
2.
Psychoanalysis . erotic gratification derived from admiration of one's own physical or mental attributes, being a normal condition at the infantile level of personality development.


Let's not attach labels to members, it really isn't useful. As for who has been ridden roughshod in the last 3,000 plus posts, let's be honest here as well. The evidence is on the thread. I much prefer the "respectful" questioning of La Tigra here:

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post518808

... just as an example of how to make a point in a respectful manner without calling fellow Avalon members names.

Sierra

Ishtar quite clearly said in her post directed to Kimberly "Your reply to us, if you hadn't been infected by these narcissistic habits......". She did not call Kimberly a narcissist. She was pointing out narcissistic "HABITS" that Kimberly is exhibiting from being around and believing DRAKE who quite obviously IS exhibiting narcissistic HABITS.

So is it now a forum rule or are you just unilaterally stating that we now must not use labels? There is no way I'm going to STOP using LABELS. It's one of many ways we communicate. LABELS are how we describe certain actions and behaviors. If you don't like me using labels then you are welcome to ban me from the forum. Until then I will continue to be ME and not YOU. I will communicate in the way I CHOOSE to communicate.

I very much enjoy the way La Tigra communicates but I much prefer the way Ishtar communicates because I am more like her. We can't all be like you. I'm sure there are others who prefer a more powerful energetic rather than a "diplomatic" PC way of communicating hoping not to hurt anyone else's feelings. We're supposedly all adults here and I don't need anyone protecting my feelings, since I'm always responsible for how I receive any information or "labels" that anyone wants to share with me.

It is obvious to me and probably to others that you occasionally use the small "power" you have as a moderator to support those you agree with and to discourage those you don't agree with from being themselves. I was a moderator for many years online and I know there is always a temptation to use any power one has, no matter how petty. But even petty tyrants serve an extremely useful purpose. LOL...

[9eagle9]

It seemed that you required it. No one else did.

Posted by Sierra (here)

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
Strangely I'm certain Unified Serenity understood the meaning in it .

I never said that you said that about her, that why I said its a metaphor not literal.

Oh you point it out after the fact? LOL!

¤=[Post Update]=¤

Yeah it's obvious....lol.

Posted by NancyV (here)

Posted by Sierra (here)

Posted by Ishtar (here)
I'd like to be clear, I'm not accusing you, Kimberley, of being a narcissist. But that kind of bad behaviour and lack of respect for people (in not acknowledging a transaction that has taken place, but riding roughshod over it and carrying on) rubs off, and it now appears to have rubbed off on you.

Oh good! Given that the definition of Narcissism is:

nar·cis·sism   [nahr-suh-siz-em]
noun
1.
inordinate fascination with oneself; excessive self-love; vanity. Synonyms: self-centeredness, smugness, egocentrism.
2.
Psychoanalysis . erotic gratification derived from admiration of one's own physical or mental attributes, being a normal condition at the infantile level of personality development.


Let's not attach labels to members, it really isn't useful. As for who has been ridden roughshod in the last 3,000 plus posts, let's be honest here as well. The evidence is on the thread. I much prefer the "respectful" questioning of La Tigra here:

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post518808

... just as an example of how to make a point in a respectful manner without calling fellow Avalon members names.

Sierra

Ishtar quite clearly said in her post directed to Kimberly "Your reply to us, if you hadn't been infected by these narcissistic habits......". She did not call Kimberly a narcissist. She was pointing out narcissistic "HABITS" that Kimberly is exhibiting from being around and believing DRAKE who quite obviously IS exhibiting narcissistic HABITS.

So is it now a forum rule or are you just unilaterally stating that we now must not use labels? There is no way I'm going to STOP using LABELS. It's one of many ways we communicate. LABELS are how we describe certain actions and behaviors. If you don't like me using labels then you are welcome to ban me from the forum. Until then I will continue to be ME and not YOU. I will communicate in the way I CHOOSE to communicate.

I very much enjoy the way La Tigra communicates but I much prefer the way Ishtar communicates because I am more like her. We can't all be like you. I'm sure there are others who prefer a more powerful energetic rather than a "diplomatic" PC way of communicating hoping not to hurt anyone else's feelings. We're supposedly all adults here and I don't need anyone protecting my feelings, since I'm always responsible for how I receive any information or "labels" that anyone wants to share with me.

It is obvious to me and probably to others that you occasionally use the small "power" you have as a moderator to support those you agree with and to discourage those you don't agree with from being themselves. I was a moderator for many years online and I know there is always a temptation to use any power one has, no matter how petty. But even petty tyrants serve an extremely useful purpose. LOL...

[Sierra]

O grail maiden of kindness! LOL!

Need a break, I'm out of here.

Sierra

[gripreaper]

OK, here's some updates:

You will all be pleased to know that I am tendering my resignation from this page that I created along with the assistance of Paul Thompson. I have no desire to continue arguing with anyone. I will continue the broadcasts on the Blogtalk station I set up as well as the website, GlobalVoice2012.us but this facebook group is no longer worth my time and effort. I wish you all peace and happiness and, most of all, FREEDOM. This house built of love is no longer a "home" that I feel welcomed in. ♥ My love to all of you ~ Denise Rednour

http://www.facebook.com/groups/137466796377979/

Also, Fulfords latest blurb:

The order to stab this writer with a poisoned needle was given by Japanese power broker Ichiro Ozawa and his North Korean faction, according to North Korean, South Korean and Japanese military intelligence and underworld sources. Ozawa is upset by repeated assertions by this writer that he was involved in, and profited from, the 311 nuclear and tsunami terror attacks against Japan. My question to Ozawa is, why not sue me for slander instead of trying to kill me? Is it because you are guilty of participating in, and profiting from, the murder of 20,000 of your fellow Japanese citizens?

We are now investigating whether Ozawa was acting on his own or following instructions from the Rockefellers, the Bushes or the P2 lodge. We have also heard that somebody lied to North Korea’s Kim Jong-un and told him this writer was somehow responsible for his father’s murder.

In any case, formal police complaints have been filed and the case against the cabal has just been upgraded from financial fraud to mass murder.

http://benjaminfulford.typepad.com/b...my-murder.html

[9eagle9]

You know Sierra.... in our private exchanges I did kindly caution about you about being careful of whom you were serving. Because I knew that eventually it would come ot this, you can't serve to two masters. Serving the forum as moderation is all well and fine, serving something else within the confines of the forum is a different matter. Now that particular camp isn't here to take the blows for you are they?

I DID caution and if you have kept those exchanges as you have said you have, then you will see clearly where I cautioned not once but a few times. Not because I am particularly kind, it just needed to be said because it was getting a bit too obvious and that which you serve is too indiscreet to serve you in return.

Nor do I expect that they will come in anytime soon and defend your honor.

[Kimberley]

Well I knew I was opening up a can of worms by posting yesterday, in hind sight on one hand I wish I had not but when I did I knew what I was getting into, so I am taking the time to write this now...

I still do not think/perceive that part of "the plan" is about executing people. I interpreted Drake's words of "we will get those "sobs" as masculine lover vibrating speak , and that Drake was expressing his personal feelings about all that has gone on in the world at the hands of the few that have held humanity imprisoned. I do and did not perceive what he said to be a part of "the plan" that Drake has been asked to be a spokes person for.

I have read most of all of this thread and it finally got to me how there has so much focus on "executions" that to me was just Hyperbole. If I had explained it this way yesterday I would have been more clear... I am figuring that all will not know the definition of Hyperbole..so here it is...

Hyperbole (play /haɪˈpɜrbəliː/ hy-PUR-bə-lee;[1] Greek: ὑπερβολή, 'exaggeration') is the use of exaggeration as a rhetorical device or figure of speech. It may be used to evoke strong feelings or to create a strong impression, but is not meant to be taken literally.

And when I used the words "good old boys " "red neck" "southern man" I was only referring to Drake...those words were not intended in a negative manner they were used only to be descriptive.

I fully recognize and honor those of you who feel the "execution" words are literal ...you have stated that over and over and over... And I finally decided that I would state my view of the matter.

I have NO evidence of millions of things including Drake. I have said from the begging that I like the idea of mass arrest!!! I see it as a great idea. The idea of it does not give me false hope because liking an idea and hoping for it are two different things... as a matter of fact I eliminated the use of the word hope from my vocabulary to the best of my ability a few years ago. I feel the word hope has a lower vibrating energy a very limiting energy ( thats a long story for another time).

I have briefly answered La Tigra's questions below, however I want to bring attention to this one here first because it is related and a great example of how new information shows up for me all the time...it s what keeps life interesting and a reminder of how we need to continue to keep our eyes and ears open...

"7. Is the “love vibration” doing anything to fix the problem of Fukushima and the radiation that is spewing into the Pacific Ocean and atmosphere? If so can you please describe the mechanism of this.:

If you had asked me this question two weeks ago I would have answered yes sending healing thoughts does help and my way of doing that is I repeat words in my head all the time such as peace on earth, love on earth, healing on earth. I also say "I am" statements over and over all through the day and before I go to sleep. I am love, I am peace, I am joy etc.

Well much to my surprise my mind was boggled 2 weeks ago when this thread about the Nuclear scare scam was started...

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...-nuclear-scam-

Have you seen it? So today my answer is that I am no longer feeling fear around Fukushima. My inner knowing is telling me that the information gathered about the Nuclear scare scam is to be believed. I have had more fear around Nuclear than almost anything else and now that fear has been lifted. And I also know that fear has been used in so many ways in the controlling of the masses. Well they sure got me with the nuclear fear game but not any longer.

I stand strong in the life of freedom I have learned to achieve by having learned to Judge not. And to love and question everything.

Ok that's enough...

Much love to us all always in all ways!!

Posted by La Tigra (here)

Dear Kimberly,

In response to your statement……

“I came to planet earth to help hold the love vibration.”

I would ask for some elucidation by asking a few questions, as a good friend of mine says “Inquiring minds need to know.”

1. Can you please give us a description of what and how the love vibration manifests?

short answer love yourself! Long answer google "How to manifest love"

2. What work did you do to achieve your personal state of happiness?

I read hundreds of books since 1976 and have interviewed hundreds of conscious thought leaders in the past almost 9 years. About 5 years ago I stopped searching and started letting life happen not trying to make life happen. New information shows up for ma all the time and that sure keeps life interesting and fun! When I refer to "work" it is about doing inner work..learning to love myself and to trust myself and know that the universe is conspiring to bless us all.

3. How does continually promoting Drake, who has implicated that there will be blood in the streets “hold the love vibration”?

I answered this above

4. Have you ever been attacked, in person, astrally or physically?

In the past yes physically and emotionally.... my mother beat me until I was 14 and realized I was bigger and stronger that her and did not have to allow it to continue. For the past 30 + years I have been and I am protected.

5. Are you aware that there are groups of people that train as Spiritual warriors whose work it is to dissipate and free trapped dark entities? They don’t actually just sit at the edge of a pond and meditate. It is arduous and dangerous work.

Yes there are many different types of people doing this type of work... I highly recommend Lucia Rene's work and her book http://www.unplugfromthepatriarchy.com/

6. Have you ever encountered a dark entity telepathically or physically?

Yes in dream time.

7. Is the “love vibration” doing anything to fix the problem of Fukushima and the radiation that is spewing into the Pacific Ocean and atmosphere? If so can you please describe the mechanism of this.

I answered this above

8. What evidence do you have to substantiate the claims that Drake is making?

no evidence I like evidence when it shows up but I do not need evidence for lots of things... My inner knowing feels good about the Idea of mass arrest and Drake is no guru just a spokes person...


La Tigra

[9eagle9]

Yes people living in their own prison can magickcally reach out and arrest others.

Really they can,.....if one is conveying messages from a box of Lucky Charms.

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by NancyV (here)
So is it now a forum rule ...

I for one prefer fuzzy rules. The illusion of strict rule enforcement too often becomes the last bastion of defense, by my current ignorance and confusion, by which means it can resist being dragged into the light of the next lesson that awaits me in this life.

[Alie]

Let me say this for the record. I thank Sierra for moderating this thread.

I am rarely participating on this thread anymore because I feel that anything PRO-DRAKE has had (at least in the past) little chance for polite, respectful discussion --- Bouncing the tennis ball back and forth for sport --- rather than slam dunk, slam dunk, slam dunk. Do you want examples --- well there are a few within the 157 pages ---

But hey ... who really cares ... I certainly don't care about this Drake thread anymore. All has been said.