Drake: Updates, clarifications and more

[Sierra]

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
You know Sierra.... in our private exchanges I did kindly caution about you about being careful of whom you were serving. Because I knew that eventually it would come ot this, you can't serve to two masters. Serving the forum as moderation is all well and fine, serving something else within the confines of the forum is a different matter. Now that particular camp isn't here to take the blows for you are they?

I DID caution and if you have kept those exchanges as you have said you have, then you will see clearly where I cautioned not once but a few times. Not because I am particularly kind, it just needed to be said because it was getting a bit too obvious and that which you serve is too indiscreet to serve you in return.

Nor do I expect that they will come in anytime soon and defend your honor.

Serve? Serve in return? Well heck! Here I must be thinking I have *some* (mysterious) (where did that army come from?) army behind me LOL!

My goodness there was a lot of information coded in those tiny little PMs!

My honor is just fine, but thank you for your pontifical care, consideration, and wisdom.

Sierra

[the_vast_mystery]

Posted by Kimberley (here)
Well I knew I was opening up a can of worms by posting yesterday, in hind sight on one hand I wish I had not but when I did I knew what I was getting into, so I am taking the time to write this now...

I still do not think/perceive that part of "the plan" is about executing people. I interpreted Drake's words of "we will get those "sobs" as masculine lover vibrating speak , and that Drake was expressing his personal feelings about all that has gone on in the world at the hands of the few that have held humanity imprisoned. I do and did not perceive what he said to be a part of "the plan" that Drake has been asked to be a spokes person for.

I have read most of all of this thread and it finally got to me how there has so much focus on "executions" that to me was just Hyperbole. If I had explained it this way yesterday I would have been more clear... I am figuring that all will not know the definition of Hyperbole..so here it is...

Hyperbole (play /haɪˈpɜrbəliː/ hy-PUR-bə-lee;[1] Greek: ὑπερβολή, 'exaggeration') is the use of exaggeration as a rhetorical device or figure of speech. It may be used to evoke strong feelings or to create a strong impression, but is not meant to be taken literally.

And when I used the words "good old boys " "red neck" "southern man" I was only referring to Drake...those words were not intended in a negative manner they were used only to be descriptive.

I fully recognize and honor those of you who feel the "execution" words are literal ...you have stated that over and over and over... And I finally decided that I would state my view of the matter.

I have NO evidence of millions of things including Drake. I have said from the begging that I like the idea of mass arrest!!! I see it as a great idea. The idea of it does not give me false hope because liking an idea and hoping for it are two different things... as a matter of fact I eliminated the use of the word hope from my vocabulary to the best of my ability a few years ago. I feel the word hope has a lower vibrating energy a very limiting energy ( thats a long story for another time).

I have briefly answered La Tigra's questions below, however I want to bring attention to this one here first because it is related and a great example of how new information shows up for me all the time...it s what keeps life interesting and a reminder of how we need to continue to keep our eyes and ears open...

"7. Is the “love vibration” doing anything to fix the problem of Fukushima and the radiation that is spewing into the Pacific Ocean and atmosphere? If so can you please describe the mechanism of this.:

If you had asked me this question two weeks ago I would have answered yes sending healing thoughts does help and my way of doing that is I repeat words in my head all the time such as peace on earth, love on earth, healing on earth. I also say "I am" statements over and over all through the day and before I go to sleep. I am love, I am peace, I am joy etc.

Well much to my surprise my mind was boggled 2 weeks ago when this thread about the Nuclear scare scam was started...

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...-nuclear-scam-

Have you seen it? So today my answer is that I am no longer feeling fear around Fukushima. My inner knowing is telling me that the information gathered about the Nuclear scare scam is to be believed. I have had more fear around Nuclear than almost anything else and now that fear has been lifted. And I also know that fear has been used in so many ways in the controlling of the masses. Well they sure got me with the nuclear fear game but not any longer.

I stand strong in the life of freedom I have learned to achieve by having learned to Judge not. And to love and question everything.

Ok that's enough...

Much love to us all always in all ways!!

Okay, my turn to ask questions then.

1: A lot of the language regarding Love, vibration, etc. often is couched in terms of two opposing forces, either love or fear. How is this in itself not polarization and not merely switching one system for another? If we chose fear over love then are we not abandoning half of ourself to cling one-sidedly to another half?

2: How does a being that has transcended fear make up for the evolutionary mechanisms fear had previously been used for? (Detecting situations dangerous to our survival and avoiding them pre-emptively.)

2a: if the above is accomplished by a change of environment. Please describe with all full specificity the qualities of this environment that universally prevent any of these dangerous survival situations from occurring therefore making a total negation of fear a sensible choice.

2b: if the above is accomplished by a change of self such that the body becomes resistant to any form of danger. Please describe with all full detail the materials and composition of that body so as to demonstrate its total structural resistance to any physical, mental, emotional or otherwise energy-based form of damage which could conceptually exist. (Thus making negation of fear in total a sensible choice.)

2c: If the above is accomplished by a fusion of methods A or B please describe both.

3: Can you provide any experimental way to measure these "Love Vibrations" and their effects upon particulate matter?

4: What are the limits of this inner-knowing? Can its accuracy be measured? Is there a way to use it to obtain specific details or is it only useful for vague general-purpose info?

5: Is there any way you could experimentally prove these abilities exist and can be reliably re-used on command? Or are they just feelings that come/go over time and are not directly within your control?

6: Please explain why you feel Drake is a good spokesperson when he is shirking all of the qualities that make up good PR. He's fudged dates, fumbled addresses, is not clear at all in his language use, and refuses to admit to these mistakes as far as I've seen.

7: Do you have any real specific details you can put forward as to why you believe specifically in Drake or in these Mass Arrests other than: "When I hear/think about it, makes me feel good?"

8: Is there a process you can describe so that we can be sure that events are causatively related towards any "mass arrest" style plan and that we do not end up seeing channelers or other sources attempting to claim responsibility for the actions of others so as to attempt to mold external events into fitting their narrative? How do we combat this form of deception? (As doing so would be of immense value towards proving any authenticity in Drake or in the Mass Arrest story)

[Christine]

Posted by Kimberley (here)
Well I knew I was opening up a can of worms by posting yesterday, in hind sight on one hand I wish I had not but when I did I knew what I was getting into, so I am taking the time to write this now...

Kimberley,

Thank you for taking the time to answer...we can put the worms back in the can. The purpose of my questions are to prod us to deepen our understanding of why we believe certain things and where do the beliefs come from. There is so much more to our story..... May the discourse continue in the spirit of understanding.

La Tigra

[Chester]

Posted by Vivek (here)
This commentary is great IMO. Go ahead, listen to it, I dare ya.

In this video, “Deep Space” provides an excellent commentary on the impending arrests of the global elite that has alleged by Benjamin Fulford, David Wilcock, Insider Drake and others. He also talks about the Federal Reserve and Project Blue Beam.

Source: http://consciouslifenews.com/comment...video/1128191/

Another one who "listened to about 20 hours of Drake" and heard all about the executions as well and questioned that part of the plan as well.

So, please, Kimberly - ask if the ETs are also on board on this executions idea, ok? I really want to know what sort of ETs these good guy ETs might be.

EDIT: I had not gotten to your Post Kimberly when I wrote this... I still wish you would ask Drake about this and not just assume its "redneck talk" that don't mean nuttin'.

[Kimberley]

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Dear the_vast_mystery and justoneman and anyone else that has asked me a question that I have not answered...

I am not able to answer your questions at this time I am choosing to keep my focus on other matters that have called to me to be put on my priority list.... this Drake topic is much lower on the list... thank you for understanding.

I have no need to defend myself to anyone. And as much as I would like to be able to answer every question I am not able to do that... I will if and or when the time to do that presents itself to do so...

I will add that if anyone is interested in talking with me I am a much better talker that a writer....so PM me and we can set up a time to talk if that would be helpful ...typing for me takes 3 times as long as talking...

Again thank you for understanding!!

Much love

[StarDust]

Posted by the_vast_mystery (here)
3: Can you provide any experimental way to measure these "Love Vibrations" and their effects upon particulate matter?

Since 'particulate matter' can be defined as either a solid or a liquid, this topic has been covered extensively through the research of Dr. Masaru Emoto.

Water, Consciousness & Intent: Dr. Masaru Emoto

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=tAvzsjcBtx8

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=WuQ1-rkAUD0

[turiya]

Wonder if any of those have ever stopped to re-examine what they 'believed' was their intuitive sense about Drake & mass arrests, are now ready to admit it was just their wishful thinking...

An unexamined life is one not worth living - Socrates

turiya -*-

[the_vast_mystery]

Unfortunately Emoto's degree is not in any form of atomic or molecular physics, which is what would be required for him to seriously advance any theory regarding how consciousness can effect in full the structure of particulate matter.
Even a cursory glance put forward towards his research shows that there were only two serious studies done on his ideas. A double-blind study that produced results barely even measurable if not through statistics, and a much better controlled triple-blind study that entirely disproved his hypothesis. This doesn't mean that he doesn't have some vague idea about something. However as of right now the results appear at best quite inconclusive.

The problem with such claims, as I discovered quickly, is that they rely on the reader/viewer not knowing that much about (nor being seriously equipped to conduct academic level research in) the given field being discussed so they use generalizations and misrepresentations as a way to hide the subjective bias being espoused. Emoto may still have been on to something but until there's enough data for us to figure out how to reliably duplicate these effects then there's really not much to go on. As well, I will say it's a bit suspect his degree is not in the field he's claiming to have made a discovery in, and that he sells products based on these claims. It sounds nice, but sadly does not pass muster.

Of course, in reality it's fine that not everyone can recite a scientific dissertation on the effects of consciousness on matter an atomic level. I would however say that anyone who is claiming to be here on a mission to specifically alter our composition by anchoring these "vibrations" to be able to. If they cannot demonstrate this level of knowledge then it indicates that unfortunately, not even they know precisely what it is that they are doing. This, is what worries me most, because it means that if there's a shred of truth to anything being claimed that they may in fact be members of some form of a military not too dissimilar from ours. One that tells its soldiers as little as necessary to get them to "get the job done." So this is why I'm trying to see if anyone can perhaps offer more in the realm of scientific knowledge that would be approachable and verifiable with the means we have now. Right now all of the promising information I've found has sadly turned out later to have been debunked or at least rendered inconclusive via mixed results.

[trenairio]

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[StarDust]

TVM,

I encountered many people at the graduate level who tried to over think things. I suppose it is a requirement for some. As for me, I prefer to just do. Some things, like breathing, are just the natural order of things. One could easily analyze the mechanics of it to death, but that wouldn't change its function or necessity.

I was also going to suggest trying the process of "cloud erasing". I do it all the time and it works in demonstrating how open water vapor is to thought forms. However, it doesn't require a double blind study or some type of peer review, so I doubt that you would find that useful

[the_vast_mystery]

Posted by StarDust (here)
TVM,

I encountered many people at the graduate level who tried to over think things. I supposed it is a requirement for some. As for me, I prefer to just do. Some things, like breathing, are just the natural order of things. I suppose you could analyze the mechanics of it to death, but that wouldn't change its function or necessity.

It becomes entirely necessary when someone begins to make outrageous claims regarding the properties of breathing. An example: Breatharians. Without this verification one would never know that they are in fact doing what it is they believe they are doing and not being deceived by themselves or others. Like I said before, really most of what Science is good for is seeing who's being led along or lying about what they say. It can't tell us exactly what is happening but it's quite useful in telling us what is most definitely NOT happening.

So it may be "over complicating" things as far as being unnecessary knowledge to simply breathe. It becomes a requirement the moment you begin to wish to do anything other than unconsciously breathe. Especially so of someone entering a foreign environment. If you didn't know about how your lungs worked you could easily inhale poison gas, or exhale a compound poisonous to the environment. Even on Earth many species of animal, simply by performing their "natural behavior" will destroy a new ecosystem if they're introduced into a foreign environment by an outside source (such as human or ET intervention.) This makes the case that such individuals if they are being sent in, should need to be fully aware of everything it is that they are doing on a conscious level.

If they are not aware of everything it is that they are doing then there's a huge potential for even a well-meaning species to cause catastrophic unintended consequences merely by doing something that may work great for them but terrible in their new foreign environment. It is only by demonstrating in full that they have done their due scientific diligence to ensuring that such things cannot occur that they would be able to make an honest case for their good intentions. Then we could say that they not only are not intending harm, but that they will not unintentionally cause great harm as well. It's only after that has been established that any reasonable human being could even decide on whether or not they wanted any of this "help" being offered.

Posted by StarDust (here)
I was also going to suggest trying the process of "cloud erasing". I do it all the time and it works in demonstrating how open water vapor is to thought forms. However, it doesn't require a double blind study or some type of peer review, so I doubt that you would find that useful

Sounds interesting, I'll look it up. However if you can reproduce it reliably I'd say you 'ought to head on over to JREF as they will pay if you can demonstrate any of this to them, and quite well. I'm not going to really involve myself so much in practicing these things as I already understand my unfortunate weakness to my own subjective bias. As well, I was never one claiming to have such abilities in the first place. As far as I've seen the only thing I ever did that seemed out of the ordinary was had an adrenaline surge help me restrain someone in a fight who'd have normally knocked me out. The rest of it were just other people confronting me with their own experiences and saying I was somehow "involved" with them.

[Unified Serenity]

Posted by StarDust (here)
TVM,

I encountered many people at the graduate level who tried to over think things. I suppose it is a requirement for some. As for me, I prefer to just do. Some things, like breathing, are just the natural order of things. One could easily analyze the mechanics of it to death, but that wouldn't change its function or necessity.

I was also going to suggest trying the process of "cloud erasing". I do it all the time and it works in demonstrating how open water vapor is to thought forms. However, it doesn't require a double blind study or some type of peer review, so I doubt that you would find that useful

I do this too! You can move smoke and fire. I was teaching my son this about a month ago. We can manipulate the energy fields around us quite a bit, and it just takes a lil bit of will to do it. My mind is not made up on the water stuff. I saw one comment that said, well you were trying to debunk the experiment so of course the water reflected that energy. I believe in energy, and water is quite useful in conveying it. prayer works and they don't know why, but in experiment one after another, it works. We affect the world around us by our intentions.

[Unified Serenity]

Posted by the_vast_mystery (here)
Sounds interesting, I'll look it up. However if you can reproduce it reliably I'd say you 'ought to head on over to JREF as they will pay if you can demonstrate any of this to them, and quite well. I'm not going to really involve myself so much in practicing these things as I already understand my unfortunate weakness to my own subjective bias. As well, I was never one claiming to have such abilities in the first place. As far as I've seen the only thing I ever did that seemed out of the ordinary was had an adrenaline surge help me restrain someone in a fight who'd have normally knocked me out. The rest of it were just other people confronting me with their own experiences and saying I was somehow "involved" with them.

That's interesting, but proving it to another is not that easy. I mean, there is a huge chem trail over my house, I focus and it leaves... it's the wind right? I mean it's all over the rest of the sky, but my 10 acres are clear. Same thing with smoke, proving you can direct the smoke way is just wind right? I do it all the time and my family used to be amazed sitting round our firepit and smoke would inevitable drift one way or another, but not my way. I don't like sitting in smoke, and I shield against it or just gently direct it off in a direction that won't bother others.

[gripreaper]

Posted by the_vast_mystery (here)
So this is why I'm trying to see if anyone can perhaps offer more in the realm of scientific knowledge that would be approachable and verifiable with the means we have now. Right now all of the promising information I've found has sadly turned out later to have been debunked or at least rendered inconclusive via mixed results.

Have you looked into the work of Bruce Lipton, who is a biologist and has done extensive work on how intent changes the very cellular structure? Nassim Haramein's work is also very conclusive.

Empiricism is moving away from the Newtonian paradigm where the hypothesis needs to fit into the confines of the five senses and the periodic chart of elements, and must meet such stringent academic guidelines of such a narrow band of integers to be valid. In Quantum physics, it has been discovered that nothing is solid and the elements are photonic, and therefore malleable based on influences.

[christian]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by SKAWF (here)
i wonder what Sun Tzu would do,
if he found himself under attack from our enemy

What a fantastic question.
(Worth a new thread of its own...)

I started two not too long ago :

Humanity vs. The Cabal

The Art of Debating

[the_vast_mystery]

Posted by gripreaper (here)
Have you looked into the work of Bruce Lipton, who is a biologist and has done extensive work on how intent changes the very cellular structure? Nassim Haramein's work is also very conclusive.

Empiricism is moving away from the Newtonian paradigm where the hypothesis needs to fit into the confines of the five senses and the periodic chart of elements, and must meet such stringent academic guidelines of such a narrow band of integers to be valid. In Quantum physics, it has been discovered that nothing is solid and the elements are photonic, and therefore malleable based on influences.

I think this misses the point a bit. This isn't about testing what I know or have investigated. It's pointing out that anyone here who claims to be here to do something major as far as some sort of energetic alignment needs to demonstrate they have achieved a graduate level of understanding of what it is they are doing. Anything short of that shows a lack of rigor which makes a very hard sell to anyone else that they are who they say they are and are doing what they say they are doing. It'd be like a Kung-fu master, when asked about his technique, being unable to utter any words than "I just hit people, they go down, that's it." Which is certainly fine and dandy if they're not trying to teach Kung-fu to anyone else, but the moment they step out of their own isolated area (such as claiming to be an ET race here to fix the planet, light worker, etc.) and begin to effect others there's a level of clarity of understanding that I feel needs to be shown to make it readily apparent they know who they are and what they are doing with all the due certainty you would expect from someone who is what they claim to be. I don't expect a Joe Everyman down the street to understand particle physics, but I do expect the equivalent of an ET scientist/priest/military unit to have that level of understanding just as much as I'd expect our military to train its soldiers quite thoroughly in the operation and maintenance of its weapons.

It's simply something that by all accounts should be there if the story is to line up. This is why I'm specifically pressing for those sorts of answers as without those then there is very little that can be done to establish trust in their story being truly what they say it is. Which is not to say (if they cannot answer that) that their story is 100% false either. As I alluded to earlier our military loves to send people in with cover stories. It simply means that they may not even truly know who they are or what they are here to do and by being unable to demonstrate their knowledge of either they simply indicate that there's much more digging to be done to figure out what is the actual truth in this case.

Science isn't shy about making fools of us all.

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Posted by Unified Serenity (here)
That's interesting, but proving it to another is not that easy. I mean, there is a huge chem trail over my house, I focus and it leaves... it's the wind right? I mean it's all over the rest of the sky, but my 10 acres are clear. Same thing with smoke, proving you can direct the smoke way is just wind right? I do it all the time and my family used to be amazed sitting round our firepit and smoke would inevitable drift one way or another, but not my way. I don't like sitting in smoke, and I shield against it or just gently direct it off in a direction that won't bother others.

You might even be doing something, but until you know exactly what it is you are doing with full detail then you can't really go around and explain to others the process. Knowing How what you do works is extraordinarily important if you want to tell anyone else about it. Otherwise for all you know you're being led on by someone else or leading yourself along.

Isn't a lot of the research into how occult rituals work based on the idea that you can present a ritual or piece of material in coded form so as to appear to be multiple things to each level of initiate? (With the actual full understanding of the ceremony only known to those at the top?)

If that's the case then without doing due diligence in research and experimentation to verify the results you are getting line up with what you believe should be happening (on more than a superficial level) then you could just as easily be led along into someone else's cleverly disguised plan. This is why I went straight to asking for graduate level material. Because I'm pretty sure that based on who these groups are appealing to (religious believers) they are extremely ill equipped to be able to translate their message or methods into the realm of scientific knowledge.

If they can, then their story might actually line up (verification isn't just a one-shot sort of deal, rigorous verification is needed before results can be considered conclusive) and it could just be that no one had asked the right questions. If they cannot however, it displays a very startling lack of understanding of their own methods or means and could quite possibly indicate they're here on a cover story like some sort of a military operation and that until we can have that verification we won't know exactly what these meditations or other rituals are in fact doing to us or the planet.

So this isn't even really so much directed at you but at anyone claiming to be a light worker or star-seed that has still thrown in their lot with Drake or this "Divine Plan" to demonstrate their understanding of the methods they will be using so that we as limited human beings can with all due certainty establish a real, legitimate trust in them.

Real trust should be based on compassion, mutual understanding and respect for one another. Hence my attempt to (as diplomatically as possible) pose some real science-based questions to test the rigor of their understanding. I actually have people at a graduate level I can call on to check anything including the math. So much of physics is math and without the mathematics especially it's hard to separate out who's done their work and who hasn't.

A lot of New Agey talk about quantum mechanics relies on misunderstandings of it at a popular level. But once you look deeper into the math it falls right apart. (admittedly took me a while, I'm somewhat math averse to anything more complex than calculus x_x;; )

[Ishtar]

The Vast Mystery et al,

What is being discussed here is the difference between science and magic.

Magic works, but science doesn't know how it works as it doesn't have the tools or the framework of reference to fathom it, and hasn't done so since the inaptly named Age of Enlightenment in the 18th century which separated alchemy from science and thus spirit from matter.

It has been of immense value to the powers-that-be that they may very well have invented science to 'debunk magic', so that they could continue using it in a hidden (occult) way to control us. Whether it was intentional or not, this is what has happened, although their magical powers and knowledge are low and waning now.

It is this kind of way of perception that has helped me see through all this Drake nonsense to a large degree. A friend posted recently The Wizard's Rules in his blog on my forum, and I'd like to share three of the most important rules in terms of the subject of this thread here, and the first one is at the root of all effective psy-ops, but particularly channelling.

The Wizard's Rules

"People are stupid, they will believe something because they want it to be true; or because they're afraid it might be true."―Wizard's First Rule: Chapter 36, page 397

Given proper motivation, almost anyone will believe almost anything. Because people are stupid, they will believe a lie because they want to believe it's true, or because they're afraid it might be true. People's heads are full of knowledge, facts and beliefs, and most of it is false, yet they think it all true. People are stupid; they can only rarely tell the difference between a lie and the truth, and yet they are confident they can, and so are all the easier to fool.


This second rule reminds me of the 'love 'n light' brigade section of Drake's followers.

The Wizard's Rules 2

"The greatest harm can result from the best intentions."―Stone of Tears: Chapter 63, page 886

Kindness and good intentions can be an insidious path to destruction. Sometimes doing what seems right is wrong, and can cause harm. The only counter to it is knowledge, wisdom, forethought, and understanding the First Rule. Even then, that is not always enough.


And this third rule, to me, sums up the whole of Drake's offering in so far as he can talk the talk, but cannot walk the walk, because he's not in truth. So his visions of a Utopian Golden Age Promised Land are riven with the rivers of blood of executions, guillotines and firing squads... but still he keeps the love n' light brigade on board because of Rules No 1 and 2.


The Wizard's Rules 9

"A contradiction can not exist in reality. Not in part, nor in whole."―Chainfire: Chapter 48, page 489

To believe in a contradiction is to abdicate your belief in the existence of the world around you and the nature of the things in it, to instead embrace any random impulse that strikes your fancy - to imagine something is real simply because you wish it were. A thing is what it is, it is itself. There can be no contradictions. Faith is a device of self-delusion, a sleight of hand done with words and emotions founded on any irrational notion that can be dreamed up. Faith is the attempt to coerce truth to surrender to whim. In simple terms, it is trying to breathe life into a lie by trying to outshine reality with the beauty of wishes. Faith is the refuge of fools, the ignorant, and the deluded, not of thinking, rational men.In reality, contradictions cannot exist. To believe in them you must abandon the most important thing you possess: your rational mind. The wager for such a bargain is your life. In such an exchange, you always lose what you have at stake.

These three rules have served me very well during these discussions over the last few months as the Drake Dragon has twisted and turned in different directions, and have enabled me to bruise the serpent's head under my heel. I hope it helps others too.

You can read the full article on The Wizards' Rules here.

[SKAWF]

Posted by Ishtar (here)
The Vast Mystery et al,

What is being discussed here is the difference between science and magic.

Magic works, but science doesn't know how it works as it doesn't have the tools or the framework of reference to fathom it, and hasn't done so since the inaptly named Age of Enlightenment in the 18th century which separated alchemy from science and thus spirit from matter.

It has been of immense value to the powers-that-be that they may very well have invented science to 'debunk magic', so that they could continue using it in a hidden (occult) way to control us. Whether it was intentional or not, this is what has happened, although their magical powers and knowledge are low and waning now.

It is this kind of way of perception that has helped me see through all this Drake nonsense to a large degree. A friend posted recently The Wizard's Rules in his blog on my forum, and I'd like to share three of the most important rules in terms of the subject of this thread here, and the first one is at the root of all effective psy-ops, but particularly channelling.

The Wizard's Rules

"People are stupid, they will believe something because they want it to be true; or because they're afraid it might be true."―Wizard's First Rule: Chapter 36, page 397

Given proper motivation, almost anyone will believe almost anything. Because people are stupid, they will believe a lie because they want to believe it's true, or because they're afraid it might be true. People's heads are full of knowledge, facts and beliefs, and most of it is false, yet they think it all true. People are stupid; they can only rarely tell the difference between a lie and the truth, and yet they are confident they can, and so are all the easier to fool.


This second rule reminds me of the 'love 'n light' brigade section of Drake's followers.

The Wizard's Rules 2

"The greatest harm can result from the best intentions."―Stone of Tears: Chapter 63, page 886

Kindness and good intentions can be an insidious path to destruction. Sometimes doing what seems right is wrong, and can cause harm. The only counter to it is knowledge, wisdom, forethought, and understanding the First Rule. Even then, that is not always enough.


And this third rule, to me, sums up the whole of Drake's offering in so far as he can talk the talk, but cannot walk the walk, because he's not in truth. So his visions of a Utopian Golden Age Promised Land are riven with the rivers of blood of executions, guillotines and firing squads... but still he keeps the love n' light brigade on board because of Rules No 1 and 2.


The Wizard's Rules 9

"A contradiction can not exist in reality. Not in part, nor in whole."―Chainfire: Chapter 48, page 489

To believe in a contradiction is to abdicate your belief in the existence of the world around you and the nature of the things in it, to instead embrace any random impulse that strikes your fancy - to imagine something is real simply because you wish it were. A thing is what it is, it is itself. There can be no contradictions. Faith is a device of self-delusion, a sleight of hand done with words and emotions founded on any irrational notion that can be dreamed up. Faith is the attempt to coerce truth to surrender to whim. In simple terms, it is trying to breathe life into a lie by trying to outshine reality with the beauty of wishes. Faith is the refuge of fools, the ignorant, and the deluded, not of thinking, rational men.In reality, contradictions cannot exist. To believe in them you must abandon the most important thing you possess: your rational mind. The wager for such a bargain is your life. In such an exchange, you always lose what you have at stake.

These three rules have served me very well during these discussions over the last few months as the Drake Dragon has twisted and turned in different directions, and have enabled me to bruise the serpent's head under my heel. I hope it helps others too.

You can read the full article on The Wizards' Rules here.

i think science magick and spirituality are not so separate.

this links them together



you could look at this wave, and see how harmony, opposition, polarity, balance, amplitude and the other characteristics of a 'wave' have affected this thread.
i see those same principles as being fundamental throughout everything i observe.
cycles and waves for me at least are at the core of everything.

now if you were to look at the zodiac for example....
you would find that directly opposite leo (fire), is aquarius (water),
just like the polar opposites in the waveform diagram

then the concept that one force can can be nullified by an equal oppsosite force....
OR that where two opposing forces have countered each other, it takes very little to tip the balance one way or the other.

i could go on all day about this

what helped me to get there was

the understanding of energy.......in relation to the spirit
and how the laws of physics apply to it.

steve

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Posted by StarDust (here)
TVM,

I encountered many people at the graduate level who tried to over think things. I supposed it is a requirement for some. As for me, I prefer to just do. Some things, like breathing, are just the natural order of things. I suppose you could analyze the mechanics of it to death, but that wouldn't change its function or necessity.

It becomes entirely necessary when someone begins to make outrageous claims regarding the properties of breathing. An example: Breatharians. Without this verification one would never know that they are in fact doing what it is they believe they are doing and not being deceived by themselves or others. Like I said before, really most of what Science is good for is seeing who's being led along or lying about what they say. It can't tell us exactly what is happening but it's quite useful in telling us what is most definitely NOT happening.

So it may be "over complicating" things as far as being unnecessary knowledge to simply breathe. It becomes a requirement the moment you begin to wish to do anything other than unconsciously breathe. Especially so of someone entering a foreign environment. If you didn't know about how your lungs worked you could easily inhale poison gas, or exhale a compound poisonous to the environment. Even on Earth many species of animal, simply by performing their "natural behavior" will destroy a new ecosystem if they're introduced into a foreign environment by an outside source (such as human or ET intervention.) This makes the case that such individuals if they are being sent in, should need to be fully aware of everything it is that they are doing on a conscious level.

If they are not aware of everything it is that they are doing then there's a huge potential for even a well-meaning species to cause catastrophic unintended consequences merely by doing something that may work great for them but terrible in their new foreign environment. It is only by demonstrating in full that they have done their due scientific diligence to ensuring that such things cannot occur that they would be able to make an honest case for their good intentions. Then we could say that they not only are not intending harm, but that they will not unintentionally cause great harm as well. It's only after that has been established that any reasonable human being could even decide on whether or not they wanted any of this "help" being offered.

Posted by StarDust (here)
I was also going to suggest trying the process of "cloud erasing". I do it all the time and it works in demonstrating how open water vapor is to thought forms. However, it doesn't require a double blind study or some type of peer review, so I doubt that you would find that useful

Sounds interesting, I'll look it up. However if you can reproduce it reliably I'd say you 'ought to head on over to JREF as they will pay if you can demonstrate any of this to them, and quite well. I'm not going to really involve myself so much in practicing these things as I already understand my unfortunate weakness to my own subjective bias. As well, I was never one claiming to have such abilities in the first place. As far as I've seen the only thing I ever did that seemed out of the ordinary was had an adrenaline surge help me restrain someone in a fight who'd have normally knocked me out. The rest of it were just other people confronting me with their own experiences and saying I was somehow "involved" with them.

When I was about 17, I was all about science.

Science did not explain it all.

So, I decided to take a leap of faith.

Instead of trying to bridge the chasm between the known and the unknown, constructed with the material of scientific understanding, I took a long hard "thoughtful" run up and then with a freaking huge leap of faith I just jumped.

The original plan was to work back to where I had started from and "prove" it to everyone, but the plan suffered from the its first engagement with the former enemy "reality".

Once I had landed, everything was so amazing I did not bother going back.

I also discovered I was not alone.

So now, I know what I know. I know why faith is what it is.

I know that proof and evidence is not possible to give to a person who is not me and the people here with me.

Last week my wife tripped backwards and fell in our veggie garden, and bumped her back on a raised bed corner.

While she was laying in the grass, engaging with Gaia for some healing assistance to fix the damage, for about 15 minutes, she amused herself by turning the clouds into pictures of little scottie dogs.

I watched her fall and yet I knew that all was well.

Afterwards no bruises.

Science.... its really more like systematic common sense for people that cannot see past our dense vibration.

That said, I am sure that science will build that bridge for those that wish to cross that way one day.

(Sorry this has nothing to do with Drake, but it seemed to fit in the off topic spur of this thread)

[Chester]

Posted by Kimberley (here)
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Dear the_vast_mystery and justoneman and anyone else that has asked me a question that I have not answered...

I am not able to answer your questions at this time I am choosing to keep my focus on other matters that have called to me to be put on my priority list.... this Drake topic is much lower on the list... thank you for understanding.

I have no need to defend myself to anyone. And as much as I would like to be able to answer every question I am not able to do that... I will if and or when the time to do that presents itself to do so...

I will add that if anyone is interested in talking with me I am a much better talker that a writer....so PM me and we can set up a time to talk if that would be helpful ...typing for me takes 3 times as long as talking...

Again thank you for understanding!!

Much love

Thanks Kimberly - if I recall correctly... seems you do an internet radio show? If I am thinking correctly i remember hearing your show once and really liked your style and felt comfortable you are a very genuine person. The reason I asked you to ask my question to Drake is because I thought (perhaps wrongly) that you had access to Drake. he has never responded to my questions... Thanks anyway in that if you have the opportunity to ask about that, I would greatly appreciate knowing if these "good guy" ETs believe that executions could be a possibility (as opposed to perhaps life long incarceration in which attempts might be made to allow each convicted cabalist the opportunity to resolve the inner issues and perhaps cause the potential demonic influences to get some "mirror" time... something I know they particularly loathe). justone

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Posted by turiya (here)
Wonder if any of those have ever stopped to re-examine what they 'believed' was their intuitive sense about Drake & mass arrests, are now ready to admit it was just their wishful thinking...

An unexamined life is one not worth living - Socrates

turiya -*-

I definitely will admit that was a good part of why I originally was behind the plan. Yep, very true. justoneman