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    Vivek, believe it or not but I was looking for that article I read a while back and thought "So much for their modeling!" and couldn't find it any more. So thank you for digging it out!


    Sun Is Moving Slower Than Thought
    Posted: 12th May 2012 by KiPnews


    “Shocking” find may redraw picture of solar system’s cosmic shield.


    The young star LL Ori forms a bow shock as it moves through the Orion Nebula. Image courtesy STScI/AURA/NASA

    The sun is moving through the Milky Way slower than previously thought, according to new data from a NASA spacecraft.

    From its orbit around Earth, the Interstellar Boundary Explorer (IBEX) satellite measured the speeds of interstellar particles entering at the fringes of our solar system, 9 billion miles (14.5 billion kilometers) from the sun.

    (Related: “‘Alien’ Particles Found Invading Our Solar System—A First.”)

    Plugging the new data into computer models, the IBEX team calculates that the sun is moving at about 52,000 miles (83,700 kilometers) an hour—about 7,000 miles (11,000 kilometers) slower than thought.

    The discovery suggests that the protective boundary separating our solar system from the rest of the galaxy is missing a bow shock, a major structural component thought to control the influx of high-energy cosmic rays.

    (See “New Hubble Videos Show Star Jets in Action.”)


    A Ulysses "clock plot" of solar wind speed vs. latitude reveals a high-speed wind blowing from the sun's poles.

    The sun is constantly sending out charged particles in all directions, forming a cocoon around the solar system called the heliosphere.

    Like a boat moving through water, it’s long been thought that the “bow” of the heliosphere forms a crescent-shaped shockwave as our solar system plows through the surrounding cloud of interstellar gas. (See “Solar System’s ‘Nose’ Found; Aimed at Constellation Scorpius.”)

    But the new IBEX findings mean the sun is moving so slow that pressure from material flowing around the heliosphere is 25 percent lower than expected—not enough for a bow shock.

    Until now, “all the solar system models and theories included a bow shock,” said study leader David McComas of the Southwest Research Institute in San Antonio, Texas.

    “Having learned for nearly three decades about it, I was literally shocked when we found it was missing.”


    The heliosphere is a magnetic bubble that protects the solar system from interstellar space as the Sun plows its way through the galaxy. For decades, scientists believed that the bubble was moving quickly enough to form a bow shock, but that view has been revised in light of new data from the Interstellar Boundary Explorer (IBEX). Southwest Research Institute


    Cosmic-Ray Shielding Key for Life?
    The absence of a bow shock is significant, McComas said, because it may indicate that the heliosphere is actually more robust than thought.

    With less pressure from outside material, the boundary region isn’t being compressed and therefore weakened as much as expected, which means it should better repel cosmic rays.

    (Related: “Solar System ‘Force Field’ Shrinks Fast.”)

    And understanding exactly how the heliosphere acts as a gatekeeper for cosmic rays could help scientists evaluate the chances for life on other worlds.

    According to McComas, some researchers believe that the cosmic rays that do get through the heliosphere can impact Earth’s climate, because the high-energy particles can ionize—or electrically charge—matter in the atmosphere, leading to heightened cloud formation and lightning generation.

    Other experts think the particles could even be related to bursts of evolution or extinction in our planet’s history, because the radiation can influence DNA patterns.
    (Also see “Ancient Mass Extinctions Caused by Cosmic Radiation, Scientists Say.”)

    For now, the science behind how cosmic rays have influenced Earth is quite controversial, said Seth Redfield, an astronomer from Wesleyan University in Connecticut who was not involved with the new IBEX study.

    Still, considering the rays’ expected effects, Redfield said, “it seems obvious to me that there will be scenarios or times when the cosmic-ray flux on a planet is important and [is] having a major influence on the evolution of the planetary atmosphere or even on biological processes on its surface.”

    In that case, astronomers assessing the habitability of alien planets may need to start considering not only the chances for liquid water but also the strength of other stars’ protective cocoons, study leader McComas said.

    “There is no doubt,” he said, “that questions about cosmic-ray shielding go right to the heart of some really important questions related to life as we know it.”
    The slower-sun study appears in this week’s issue of the journal Science.
    source ; http://news.nationalgeographic.com


    SWOOPS image of solar wind at solar minimum and solar maximum

    Polar plots of solar wind speed as a function of latitude for Ulysses’ first two orbits.

    The solar wind speed data was obtained by the SWOOPS instrument (Solar Wind Observations Over the Poles of the Sun). The bottom panel shows the sunspot number over the period 1992-2003. The first orbit occurred through the solar cycle declining phase and minimum while the second orbit spanned solar maximum.

    Both solar wind plots are plotted over solar images characteristic of solar minimum (17 August 1996) and maximum (7 December 2000).

    The solar images are composites of (from the center out): the Solar and Heliospheric Observatory (SOHO) Extreme ultraviolet Imaging Telescope (Fe XII at 195 Å), the Mauna Loa K-coronameter (700–950 nm), and the SOHO C2 Large Angle Spectrometric Coronagraph (white light).
    source; http://sci.esa.int/


    Posner explains: "Eleven years ago, during a similar 'sea change' between solar cycles, the polar wind spilled down almost all the way to the sun's equator. But this time it is not. The polar wind is bottled up, confined to latitudes above 45 degrees:

    IBEX Shows a Slower Sun — And No Bow Shock
    NASA’s Interstellar Boundary Explorer has discovered that the Sun has no bow shock, overturning decades of scientific research.

    …So what does the new model look like? IBEX’s observations confirm that the Sun is still moving (albeit slowly) through the Local Interstellar Cloud, a fluff of higher density gas roughly 30 light-years across.

    Combined with a relatively strong interstellar magnetic field, the Sun’s slower advance is no longer enough to push interstellar gas into a bow shock. At best, it makes a “bow wave,” a region of slightly increased density — more like a fast-moving boat than a fighter jet. This means a significant change in how scientists think about the Sun and its interaction with the stuff beyond its influence.

    “It’s too early to say exactly what this new data means for our heliosphere. Decades of research have explored scenarios that included a bow shock. That research now has to be redone using the latest data,” says McComas.

    Voyager 1 and 2 have crossed the heliosphere’s termination shock, where the solar wind slows down abruptly as it approaches the threshold to interstellar space; however, neither craft has made it as far as the heliopause, the point where the pressure of the solar wind matches that of the interstellar medium. And it’ll be a very long time until either would cross a hypothetical bow shock.


    The variable star Mira plows through interstellar gas at 130 km/s (almost 300,000 mph), carving out a bow shock in front, and leaving a comet-like trail 13 light-years long. NASA / JPL-Caltech


    Bow shocks do form around other stars. One well-known example is the variable star Mira. Ultraviolet images from the Galaxy Evolution Explorer (GALEX) show that this star plows through the interstellar medium at 130 km/s (almost 300,000 mph) and leaves a trail of ionized gas 13 light-years long.

    “Observations of a few astrospheres have shown bow shocks around those stars, but IBEX has shown that our star has a fundamentally different environment surrounding it,” says Christina Prested (Boston University), an IBEX scientist not involved in the published study. “These results are very exciting as we can now definitively say what it’s like in the neighborhood of our solar system.”

    Source:
    http://www.sciencemag.org/content/ea...cience.1221054
    The Heliosphere’s Interstellar Interaction: No Bow Shock
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    Default Re: From Bill Ryan -- the Ultimate Hypothesis

    Many within the alternative communities in particular seem to imagine that "awakening" consists of becoming aware of some elite group or cabal that is dominating the world, or that there is some global catastrophe waiting to happen, or that there are ETs influencing things, or that our purpose here is to fight the powers that be, toss off the yoke of oppressive control programs, and make this world safe for nice people by expelling corporate trolls, bankers, demons and various pesky archonic critters who are clogging up our plumbing.

    In any case, that is not true awakening, but just more information, speculation, and hopeful idealism that is always changing depending on causes and conditions. True awakening, on the other hand, begins with the direct realization that none of this is actually real, or rather, that it all has as much reality as a video game. The more reality we invest in the game, the more trapped we are in believing that it is real.

    In fact, this realm is a stage that has existed for hundreds of trillions of years, and we have been performing as actors playing various roles in countless productions of the same basic plot, both here and in numerous other realms throughout the multiverse, for incalculable aeons.

    This whole dimension, and even a few levels above this one, is nothing but a fabricated platform in consciousness for the complementary play of yin and yang, light and dark, good and evil, hope and fear. Basic stuff. In our multiple costumes, we have witnessed the creation and destruction of civilizations more times than we can count, worn every hat, over and over again, played every angle, and will continue to do so until we finally grow weary enough of these roles, this game, and are ready to move beyond what is essentially, in terms of levels of awareness, elementary school.

    Actually, that puts a rather misleading face on it. Really, it's more like a prison, at least compared to what we could be up to, and will be, once we have had enough of endless conflict and chronic dissatisfaction in these small dark rooms that we take to be the universe, and are prepared to truly awaken to what's real.

    The good news is that we don't have to go anywhere else, or be anything other than what we already are. There is nothing "wrong" with the material plane -- all is perfect just as it is. Where we are right now could be heaven, though we tend to make it hell. All the while, the only problem is and has always been our habit of fixating identity in dream personas, persisting as amnesiacs about our true nature.

    Nessun Dorma, Nessun Dorma!

    We are immortal spiritual beings, wandering in a desert of our own forgetfulness and consequent delusion. The only antidote is to stop granting reality to the unreal. When we are no longer feeding the dream of separation, craving, and fear, the hallucination loses its power to beguile us, and so becomes obsolete. What remains is what has always been, even while we’ve been too blind to see, distracted as we’ve been by our fascination with the game.



    This brings us to the next question: how do we rouse ourselves from our slumber, open our eyes, and break the addiction to the game? We may encounter a lot of remedial solutions, esoteric methods, strategies and schemes suggested by various teachers and texts, and perhaps we might even settle on one answer that seems to make sense. We have all done that before, only to have that answer supplanted by another question later on down the road.

    That’s just the discursive mind doing its job -- finding out about stuff, and then creating a point of view. This point of view is always changing, because new information is constantly being processed via perception. Beliefs are established that seem to indicate some stability within reality, but then are eventually undermined by the effects of new conditioning and experience, and this goes on and on.

    Once in a while, a rare person may just stop in the middle of the whole production and realize directly that they are not the mind and its kaleidoscope of self-images. They may recognize that the mind, and feeling, and perception, and experience are all arising in a vast space of awareness, and likewise dissolving there, like a pond where the ripples have ceased, and the surface has become still.

    Some call that aware space “Reality”, “Truth”, “Divine”, or the “Self”. Some don't call it anything at all, because they no longer identify with the mind of dilemma, and are out of that game. For them, names no longer have any enduring meaning.

    Some, experiencing this glimpse into their own depths, are moved into a kind of ecstasy, and a very rare few experience the implications of the Remembrance of their Unconditional Nature to the point where they drown in it, and never again fall into the belief that they are the limited mind, or that the limited mind has any real purpose beyond being a tool for simple functional existence.

    Ramana Maharshi is a good example of the latter. Out of compassion for all who are still troubled by the restless dream, and caught in a repetitive game that yields no true satisfaction, he made a simple recommendation, called Atmavichara, or Inquiry. It begins with the fundamental question: "Who am I?", but doesn't stop with the evidence that mind has to offer. It is a living exercise that literally deconstructs the architecture of the game by removing the ridgepole which supports the whole house of cards – the fixation on the belief in “me and mine”.

    The first step initially seems like a daring leap across a huge chasm and into the vast Unknown. It consists of discarding all identification with thoughts, beliefs, memories, and preferences, and instead bringing attention to the awareness of that which observes them. Who or what is that one? The discursive mind can be of little help here, since that which perceives cannot itself be perceived by the usual faculties. We are not that which can be an object to our awareness.

    By persisting in this inquiry with sincerity and disciplined focus of attention and intention, we may come to a certain threshold – the source of mind itself, and all that we have taken ourselves to be. All of our efforts may carry us here, but no further. Effort itself must be surrendered. Even the one who would surrender must be released, let go. At that point, something else must happen. That “something else” pulls us through the doorway of ourselves, and what follows is the grateful exhalation that we’ve been holding back for an eternity. The game can continue or not – it no longer matters. In fact, at that moment we may laugh in the realization that what’s true has been true all along, that what’s real has always been real, and moreover – we are That . . . Who knew!
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    most excellent another Bob!
    I have been coming to that kind of conclusion......

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    Quote Posted by another bob (here)
    Posters here, starting with the OP, appear to imagine that "Awakening" consists of being aware of some elite group or cabal that is dominating the world, or that there is some catastrophe waiting to happen, or that there are ETs influencing things, or that we are here to fight the powers that be, toss off the yoke of control programs, make this world safe for nice people, or expel demons and archonic critters who are clogging up our plumbing.

    In any case, that is not true awakening at all. True awakening consists in the direct realization that none of this is actually real, or rather, that it all has as much reality as a video game. Moreover, we have been involved in these same virtual scenarios endlessly, and yet still can't seem to get enough.

    The more reality we invest in the game, the more trapped we are in believing that it is real. In fact, this realm is a stage that has been around for hundreds of trillions of years, and we have been performing as actors playing various roles in countless productions of the same basic plot, both here and on numerous other planets throughout the galaxy, for incalculable aeons.

    This whole dimension, and even a few levels above this one, is nothing but a stage in consciousness for the comlementary play of yin and yang, light and dark, good and evil, etc.. Basic stuff. In our multiple costumes, we have witnessed the creation and destruction of civilizations more times than we can count, worn every hat, over and over again, played every angle, and will continue to do so until we finally grow weary enough of these roles, this game, and are ready to move up and beyond what is essentially, in terms of levels of awareness, elementary school. Actually, that puts a rather misleading face on it. in reality, it's more like a prison, at least compared to what we could be up to, and will be, once we have had enough of endless conflict and dissatisfaction in these small dark rooms that we take to be the universe, and are prepared to truly awaken to what's real.
    Nicely skipped gradients, another bob...

    Read or reread this post # 388 from that lofty positon of yours where it seems that "it doesn't matter anyway."

    Since "they" are your sheeples and we (on some level on that awakening scale) are "their" sheeples with our own sheeples to deal with... and it seems clear to me that not everyone is able to make it to that pinnacle of yours. Especially when some of the beings/souls on this planet have been stuck on an endless loops for those trillions of years with no way out... may be those need a hand to get to the first gradient step of "true" awakening?

    Since you state that "we have been performing as actors playing various roles in countless productions of the same basic plot, both here and on numerous other planets throughout the galaxy, for incalculable aeons.", maybe this post # 281 "talks" to you since it inferred you acknowledge having "played" all "roles" in these sort of things?

    If so, how about giving a hand to those still under the hypnotic spell of that "incident?" Unless, of course,from that position of yours "it doesn't matter anyway."

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    Quote Posted by taurad (here)
    Quote Posted by MiguelQ (here)
    If elites go to bunker, then, they get saved.. correct
    But what is the after-event? Assuming the outside will go wild and crazy, and many will die.. assume everyone dies...
    then, when they return, if they do, ... whos gonna work for them.. because we people are the slaves, giving them the money to construct such structures..

    And i dont assume they dont need money, otherwise they would not need funding and money from us ("the slaves") ... so they must depend on us..
    but if they kill us, then, they will be killed after the event because "they are too elite, to become slaves for their on elite members.." since someone has to do the job..

    Are they planning to live with 5million habitants or so? will there be a money currency too? thats things i dont see clear...
    there must be something missing...
    Miguel,
    my 2 cents on the matter

    i think the reason for ditching the rest of the planet's humans is:
    technology's already achieved...

    the elite is finally "slave independent"

    now time to discard 6 billion unbearable creatures...

    war takes a looong time to plan, orchestrate and is short lived...smn hits the "wrong" button, they pay too

    sicknesses are quite often unsuccessful and incalculable (when i hear of prominent high ranking masons dying of cancer, makes me doubt whether have they really mastered the human genome)...latest viruses were a joke, bird flu and h1nx got a serious public riddance

    earth catastrophic events is the last weapon...according to a history channel doc 4 -5 years ago, there's been a serious market battle over weather networks in the states...i thought they were joking...apparently weather has been finally mastered as a warfare weapon..."a serious bidder" has bought the weather rights, hence the whole physical weather in the United States is property of a single group of ppl !!!!! no further comment!!!

    going back to the "Dutch" interview...i was trying to understand how on earth would the Moon refuge help the elite???!!! the Sun Storm would hit Moon too, and for half the time Moon is [although marginally] closer to the sun...

    then i did a little research which shows the Moon's poles are the coldest cribs around here for our cold-hearted boys...to quote from wiki:

    MOON: Seasons

    The Moon's axial tilt with respect to the Ecliptic is only 1.54°,[81] much less than the 23.44° of the Earth. Because of this, the Moon's solar illumination varies much less with season, and topographical details play a crucial role in seasonal effects.[82] From images taken by Clementine in 1994, it appears that four mountainous regions on the rim of Peary crater at the Moon's north pole remain illuminated for the entire lunar day, creating peaks of eternal light. No such regions exist at the south pole. Similarly, there are places that remain in permanent shadow at the bottoms of many polar craters,[60] and these dark craters are extremely cold: Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter measured the lowest summer temperatures in craters at the southern pole at 35 K (−238 °C),[83] and just 26 K close to the winter solstice in north polar Hermite Crater. This is the coldest temperature in the Solar System ever measured by a spacecraft, colder even than the surface of Pluto.[82]


    so maybe, the Moon southern Pole will balance out a SUN Storm way too hot for Earth or elsewhere in the solar system...

    after all, they are cold, freezing cold-hearted sons of beaches...

    just my 2 cents

    cheers all
    Well they can go underground on the moon.. also to protect from dust and radiation..

    But, in the end perhaps its something like sun flare event, but that occurs only on earth, so the moon is saved..
    So the moon could be occluded by earth when that happens, giving extra protection at the peak event..

    Or maybe, its something that just affects earth, and that flames and
    The sound of trumphets could be nuclear bombs attack, staged as alien attacking us...
    Exterminating the humans, that are disposable now. So that explain the bunkers, deep underground, or the moon escape..

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    Quote Posted by La Tigra (here)
    Quote Posted by Beren (here)
    Yep the fear mode of hoarding in order to preserve body...
    What good is to preserve body in a possible desolate world???

    Controllers want this game so badly ,the game of fear so whoever buy their spoil, then they will "dine together in hell " (just a quick paraphrase of Leonidas and his words from 300)...

    This is why Christ`s original message is so radical and unacceptable to many... Either you choose higher reality or bath in mire and blood through your Earthly existence in primitive conscience world.
    It was never about the things we were told ,it was always about being united with Creator of life in this holy conscience of higher purpose, powers and existence.

    Knowledge that body isn`t the pinnacle of life...just one part of the experience...
    No the body is not the pinnacle of life... and yet we all have one.

    When you say that the message of Christ was simply that we have choice you are only stating a semi-truth. He was persecuted for trying to get the message out to the masses. His mission and message was to help humanity wake up and remember their origins and return to their "place in heaven".

    Our current history is that force of the whole cabal is directed at keeping us from discovering and obtaining that knowledge. If it were a simple choice we would not be where we are today. It is a type of arrogance to say that we either choose another reality or wallow in the mire... it leaves out so many realities.

    I do not feel fear in this thread - hard shocking information yes.

    If it provokes any one of us to further action, further thought, further investigation, further consciousness then we are one step closer to changing our collective world.

    La Tigra
    That was my point as you stated it over here.
    This isn't the fear thread and I wasn't alluding to this. Fear lies in those merchants of fear when they propagate to masses what is going to happen.
    Avalon hasn't been the place of fear as far as I can recount.

    It was always about how to get over it and be practical in many fields.

    But see here, it is not an arrogance of what I said about mire and blood and high state of being.
    Did I implied that mire and blood are evil?
    No.

    It's just a call from Christ (Creator in human form), to its children : "Are you done with mire and blood yet?"
    "Are you ready to grow up or you want to continue doing your wishes?"

    He quickly got a response at the cross.

    But he cast always body and went high.
    He was not afraid because he knew who he is.

    We should also know who we are so we will not buy fear games.

    Religion here doesn't fall into question since Christ's message to humanity wasn't religion.
    It was elevation and returning to higher way of life.
    Love, love - and see what happens

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    Quote Posted by Daughter of Time (here)
    Quote Posted by Beren (here)
    Yep the fear mode of hoarding in order to preserve body...
    What good is to preserve body in a possible desolate world???

    Controllers want this game so badly ,the game of fear so whoever buy their spoil, then they will "dine together in hell " (just a quick paraphrase of Leonidas and his words from 300)...

    This is why Christ`s original message is so radical and unacceptable to many... Either you choose higher reality or bath in mire and blood through your Earthly existence in primitive conscience world.
    It was never about the things we were told ,it was always about being united with Creator of life in this holy conscience of higher purpose, powers and existence.

    Knowledge that body isn`t the pinnacle of life...just one part of the experience...
    I'm not disagreeing with what Beren expresses here. However, for me it's not so much about the body, for we all know the body must die sooner or later. I feel there's a much larger issue at stake.

    If millions or billions of people were to die in a major catastrophe, most of them would die in utter terror. What happens to a being when they die in a state of terror? What types of entities are created in such a state?

    The harvesting of these frightened souls by "them" is the thought that concerns me the most.
    Well here's the thing, body isn't the pinnacle but is very important for life experience.
    But by limiting the whole life experience to only body experience will produce a sense that this is the only thing that we got so let's fight for it.

    If the change comes as described by many in forms of flares or any other destruction, it would be wiser to prepare mentally and spiritually for the possibility of leaving the body without fear or terror.
    That's how no one gives a chance to possible entities to "harvest" the souls afterwards.

    What is destroyed can be created anew since energy can always transform into shape and form the creator desires.
    Our liberation comes in knowing that we are creators and that physical changes aren't the end of the life.

    But masses do not know this. It's anyone's who has any higher knowledge to explain this to other souls so they can face the heat with different energy patter emitting from their core which cannot be destroyed.
    Love, love - and see what happens

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    Ok, I have watched, listened, and read to so much material the last few days-- I'm done. Once again I must agree with my guts.

    I have never claimed to be psychic, I don't believe I am, YET on the other hand I know I am extremely "sensitive". My "sphere of influence" extends far beyond my body, and I find myself moving farther
    and farther away from others' "spheres of influence" to escape what is oppressive to me. I do this because I don't only see, smell, touch, hear, and taste as so many of my fellow earthlings do-- I feelsee, feelsmell, feeltouch, feelhear, and feeltaste. In no way do I wish to sway opinion on this subject..I simply wish to share what my sensitivity has allowed me know. I don't want to change your individual opinions. My only goal is to share my truth straight from the heart. Call me nuts-- that's ok by me, I did not choose to be here to fight to convince anyone of their truth. In all honesty, I don't care about most of you. (I apologize if this offends. Certainly not meant to. I am only sharing my truth.) As seperated slivers of the "one" I have love for you, because I have love for myself-- we originate from the same source.

    With that said, I would like to share what my guts have allowed me to feel. Poo-poo on me if you like, but I feel obligated to share.


    There is just too much info out there on the idea that the sun is going to kill us--- to me this makes that info untrue. No doubt the sun could, but it won't. Earth won't allow.

    As for the people in alt media who are or have been speaking out about these subjects-- if they, as messengers of truth, have ever even gotten close to exposing the "truth" they have been silenced, killed, or turned. Should you be a part of this alt media and have not been concluded by way of any of these three methods--- I regretfully must say "you're not even close." You must be doing the blackhearts a favor. I forgive you, but some may not.

    and here's a gutfelt glimpse into the future, as I feel it...

    One of these days, very soon, we will all wake from a restful nights sleep and will begin our day as usual. You may not notice it right away-- then you will find that you have been communicating with others around you without speech. We all will be in for a rude awakening-- chaos will spread, as thoughts will no longer be able to be kept from one another. (this IMO is the reason for these bases, as those in positions of "in the know" power already know this is coming and have for a long time.) We have been drip fed exactly what they know will keep us distracted. So clever, so dark, and ever so selfish of them.

    So once again I feel obligated to share. That the cabal is VERY AFRAID, and they know we won't be, but they want us to be. Scared wee babies afraid to get caught with their hands in the cookie jar. Dogs burying their bones. They are the very shadows running from the light. Don't fear them or their propaganda.

    Nature will balance itself-- I feel this.


    I want to thank everyone for participating in this thread. You all have Christ within-- We were all born on the cross.


    Peace
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    A staggering, epochal critical mass mass event might indeed be at hand. A malevolent-collective assault on the human mind could exceed the purported threats of a EMP or CME... I'm trying to learn more about the related claims made by George Kavassilas/ ourjourneyhome.com.au George has a complex but coherent message well worth consideration, by minds able to thread countless contexts. Able to balance all human subjects, not just one category of subjects. I just happen to love integrative resonances, spanning multiple researchers, and with patterns, in the big pictures.


    My developing paraphrasing of Kavassilas' latest, in my brief words:

    Enigmas like Pine Gap, said to be something like the "matrix mind control center of planet earth".... Connected to the "moon matrix"....... The moon, here said to have originally been a life-seeding laboratory for planting life on local planets-- Said to have been evacuated by the original life-planters and besieged by dracos--Said to have been altered by draco-and allies with manipulative technology-- Especially featuring a coating of silica (SiO2) which makes it resonate manipulative physiology-coding (human, silica-resonant-biologica-influences) to undermine natural human eveolvement.... To disempower the innate, sleeping-powers within humans .... etc .... In a grand conquering scheme, having started 300K years ago... When the major subjugation of humans occurred and when mother earth sacrificed her sovereignty, for a cycle of duration only, in order to allow her 'children' (humans) to experience all the pre existing potentials, despite the contrasting overlays of the grand matrix scheme of invader forces....

    Here we are at cyclic universe turnings. At alignments which aim multiple, energy-flow entrainments. Perhaps like eddies in a river, of universe currents. Can we entrain the flows of energy, to any human advantage? I wonder.

    In the mean time and decades since, i have dedicated my meager little human life to honor ecosystems around me. To support living dynamics through gardening, sylva culture and artgineered-housing. To suffer the ridicule of peers, for not worshiping the matrix systems of centralized society, ( corporate or government jobs or contracts which emulate these larger systems). Naturally my own efforts have always appeared like a curious sort of failure, to many 'collective-ized' people around me. My meager income has largely been derived from menial odd jobs. With very few better contracts. Yet i am thankful. It has allowed me to peacefully be.

    In the meantime... I think the point is to remain balanced and composed in the realities which we have already arranged for ourselves. Or perhaps finish up some details or fine tune a little bit. For some of us this would have included a self-sufficient-ish feature. Yet i would not push people towards an instant off-grid mania. If back to the land resonates and fits? -Then wonderful, this is indeed a great place to move. A great place to complete the great cycle, where we have learned some balancing aspects of life.
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    Thanks Doodah a good summery of what we could expect only a lot worse, you painted a good picture of the haves and have nots
    on the local level. Youcan see why the elites are panicking if they think they will have to 'muck in' with the 'surfs'..LOL..

    What you say about meddling with haarp is something I been wondering with all the rain over here ? It certainly caught the
    the long range weather forecasters on the hop .As they thought we were going to have a drought and the last
    hose pipe bans were only lifted last week, which is very funny over here and is why I have been reffering to the
    'wettest drought' in history that we are experiancing, its still raining !! LOL..

    It could be coincidence but the heatwave in the states is causing the jet stream to be on a slightly lower latitude over
    Northern Europe and is why we are have this lovely weather.....As said could be coincidence but I do wonder !!
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    Quote Posted by another bob (here)
    Quote Posted by Dennis Leahy (here)
    there are a LOT of people who believe or strongly suspect we did not incarnate at this time to cultivate 'ordinary mind', but rather that our collective goal is to challenge the pervasive ill-will of the ruling collective.
    Beliefs are plentiful.

    When the amnesia is heavy, "beliefs" (I could have, probably should have, said "hunches" or "compelling feelings") are the only portals to follow toward spiritual evolution. (Please read the spirit of those words, not the mere words.)

    Scene I:
    A peaceful Buddhist monastery, built high atop a "dormant" volcano. A severe earthquake rumbles the mountain. The monastery is destroyed, several monks are killed and several are severely injured by the falling debris. The volcanic mountain is not dormant - it is alive, and an eruption is imminent. A monk rushes to the Master.

    Monk: {breathlessly} Master! Should we get the injured and move quickly down the mountain?

    Master: {calmly} Have you finished eating?

    Monk: {confused} Well, yes, but what does that...

    Master: {calmly} Then wash your bowl.

    The Monk, puzzled at first, realizes that the Master is probably very wise and is espousing a higher level of truth, but incapable of helping out in this dire situation. This situation requires flexibility and agility of mind; pyroclastic flows will roast the wise and the stupid at the same rapid rate. The Master is ready to accept bodily death at any moment, and the Monk knows that, in a way, that can be a liability in a leader of a group. The Monk punches the Master squarely in the head and knocks him out, then reaches out to catch the Master before he hits the ground. The Monk knows it will be easier to triage and evacuate if the old Master is asleep.

    End of Scene I.
    ==================================

    I have not had a dimensional-paradigm-changing enlightenment like you have described elsewhere, Bob, nor do I remember any past lives or time spent between lives. All I have are "hunches" that the reality is that I have lived many lives, played many roles, and that the descriptions of the process as exposed by Dr. Michael Newton in his books is accurate. That includes the hunch that it is probably true that I reincarnated this time - and at this time - with specific goals in mind. OK, so I passed the test of not siding with the evil cabal. Woo woo. Big whoop-de-do. That was actually pretty easy, I think. My hunch is that the testing period isn't over, in fact, it is just starting. Will I be intelligent enough to gather enough information to make informed decisions about my actions and be able to provide service to others, or will I cower, or freeze, or escape into mind-numbing thinking (with or without drugs), or step off the path and just be an observer? Stay tuned for Scene II.

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    Happen to know the dates of production of both of these links' contents?

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    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    Quote Posted by gripreaper (here)
    Don't we need to pause occasionally and distill, collate and develop a synopsis?

    So, I just read the Jake Simpson Camelot link. We've had these types of solar events before, or some derivative thereof, either man made or cyclical by nature. The elite, hidden in their Vatican archives, have all of the ancient texts, and currently all of the technology which Jake claims is 10,000 years ahead of the open technology we are exposed to. The ability to go off planet is in the bag, and the underground network is so sophisticated and connected to all continents, it would make any normal person's head spin.

    So, the elite are prepared for every contingency, regardless of whether it is unknown to the extent of time that such events may occur. Good for them. They managed to keep it a secret from us, have managed to pilfer the wealth of this planet and pull of one of the most impressive stealth projects imaginable, and as Bob Dean claims, could possibly preserve the integrity and survival of mankind for the next golden age.

    But, where does that leave us? I think a few solar rechargeable batteries and Faraday cage to put our electronics in, along with a supply of long term storage foods, possibly moving to a not so populated area, is prudent, but seems ridiculously inadequate.
    That's pretty much the best summary I've read.
    In addition to the above mentioned items, I believe an invaluable piece of knowledge lies in the form of the "Foxfire Books." I'm not sure if anyone else is familiar with this collection, but my Dad's cousin (in his 60's) told me about them this past December. Since we were children, everytime we visited his 650 acres of land in East Texas, he would tell my family, "Now, the day the **** hits the fan, you've got exactly one week to get here before the gates are sealed off."

    This man was one of two in the nation who performed a certain type of underwater welding decades ago. He was also a teacher, a brilliant mathematician, and eventually, a recluse. For decades, he has been tracking the gradual decline of the economy, the quality of life, etc. He has spent this time creating a fully self sustainable lifestyle on his property, while continuing to educate himself.

    Now I truly believe this collection of work he told me about would be paramount to our survival in the event of the grid powering down, and humanity getting a re-start, so-to-speak. The "Foxfire Books," according to Wikipedia,
    Quote The Foxfire books are a series of copyrighted anthologies of articles originally written for the Foxfire magazine, along with additional content not suitable for the magazine format. Though first conceived primarily as a sociological work, recounting oral traditions, the books, particularly the early ones, were a commercial success as instructional works.

    Members of the 1970s back-to-the-land movement used the books as a basis to return to lives of simplicity. The first book was published in 1972 as The Foxfire Book. This was followed by an additional 11 books, titled in sequence Foxfire 2 through Foxfire 12. The students have published several additional specialty books under the Foxfire name, some of which have been published by the University of North Carolina Press.
    The First book's contents, and brief description, are as follows:



    Quote This volume, the original anthology, celebrates the home life and creative history of Appalachia, featuring sections on hog dressing, log cabin building, soap making, basket weaving, planting by the signs, preserving foods, making butter, snake lore, hunting tales, faith healing, and moonshining.

    Table of Contents:
    "This is the way I was raised up"
    Aunt Arie
    Wood
    Tools and Skills
    Building a Log Cabin
    Chimney Building
    White Oak Splits
    Making a Hamper out of White Oak Splits
    Making a Basket out of White Oak Splits
    An Old Chair Maker Shows How
    Rope, Straw, and Feathers are to Sleep on
    A Quilt is Something Human
    Soapmaking
    Cooking on a Fireplace, Dutch Oven, and Wood Stove
    Daniel Manous
    Mountain Recipes
    
Preserving Vegetables
    
Preserving Fruit
    Churning Your Own Butter
    
Slaughtering Hogs
    Curing and Smoking Hog
    
Recipes for Hog
    Weather Signs
    Planting by the Signs
    The Buzzard and the Dog
    
Home Remedies
    Hunting
    Dressing and Cooking Wild Animal Foods
    
Hunting Tales
    Snake Lore
    Moonshining as a Fine Art
    
Faith Healing
    Hillard Green
    You can easily download free PDF's of this series from sites such as http://beasurvivor.blogspot.com/2009...-for-free.html

    However, I'd sure love to have a hard-copy around when the power goes down. Also, for the cost to print copies, you can just as easily purchase them directly here http://www.foxfire.org/thefoxfirebooks.aspx

    If anyone is familiar with this material, or has more input, please feel free to share. I just thought I would pass the knowledge along in case someone hasn't heard of this series.

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    Quote Posted by AnthonyBacala (here)

    You can easily download free PDF's of this series from sites such as http://beasurvivor.blogspot.com/2009...-for-free.html
    Message on scribd says : Content removed at the request of Random House Inc.

    Alternatively free download of Volumes 1 to 5 are available here:

    http://www.outpost-of-freedom.com/li...oxfireVol1.pdf
    http://www.outpost-of-freedom.com/li...oxfireVol2.pdf
    http://www.outpost-of-freedom.com/li...oxfireVol3.pdf
    http://www.outpost-of-freedom.com/li...oxfireVol4.pdf
    http://www.outpost-of-freedom.com/li...oxfireVol5.pdf

    Specially recommended, Volume 3, pages 117-207 : How to build Banjos & Dulcimers
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    Quote Posted by Jean-Luc (here)
    Quote Posted by AnthonyBacala (here)

    You can easily download free PDF's of this series from sites such as http://beasurvivor.blogspot.com/2009...-for-free.html
    Message on scribd says : Content removed at the request of Random House Inc.

    Alternatively free download of Volumes 1 to 5 are available here:

    http://www.outpost-of-freedom.com/li...oxfireVol1.pdf
    http://www.outpost-of-freedom.com/li...oxfireVol2.pdf
    http://www.outpost-of-freedom.com/li...oxfireVol3.pdf
    http://www.outpost-of-freedom.com/li...oxfireVol4.pdf
    http://www.outpost-of-freedom.com/li...oxfireVol5.pdf

    Specially recommended, Volume 3, pages 117-207 : How to build Banjos & Dulcimers

    Jean-Luc, thank you for pointing out this particular section. It made me laugh, as I am a musician, and quickly realized how important music can be for soothing the soul. This would definitely make those downed power grid days and nights a lot more lively!

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    Concerning the original post, interesting theories…..anything is possible.

    All of this is just more stuff that can’t be proven (right now anyways) one way or another. People are claiming some pretty hard to believe stuff now a days to say the least. The time lines make it even more “expandable” to what may or may not be real or true, it opens the doors to ANY possibility, which makes it even harder to swallow. But, as I say, anything is possible and I have learned not to count anything out, but to be very cautious at the same time to these types of scenarios.

    End of Days: Quite likely as it’s been millions of years since an ELE asteroid or comet strike, we are probably due. It’s also quite likely the human race could wipe ourselves out with the idiotic bioweapons and nukes, disease etc etc etc……yes, end of days are probably closer than most would like to admit…..will there be survivors? The longer I live the more I doubt it with what I am witnessing happening on this planet.

    A Ticket Out of Here: Well, if so, they’ll wish they didn’t make a toilet out of the planet, especially when they realize that even though they may have been genetically modified, they still are of the Earth and are unique to her energy fields and environment and cannot survive for generations without her “nourishment” so to speak……not to mention the dynamics of the spirit and soul being strongly connected to the Mother Earth.

    ET’s and the Human Experiment: Highly likely they exist and may even be among us right now. If they are steering the course of humanity they are worse than all the demons or devils mentioned in the bible and other ancient myths and legends, all one needs to do is study history and notice the state of affairs today to come up with this conclusion. Oh, but wait! What about the good ET’s????? Well, they must not be all that good to allow the bad ones to manipulate us and steer us in the wrong direction…..but perhaps they just haven't arrived yet and are on their way here to save us! Lol!

    I could go on and on, but in my opinion, our main priority should be eachother and the Earth, not some far away base on another globe/sphere somewhere, in theory…..or waiting the rest of our lives doing nothing waiting for one of these wild stories to come true…………

    Added

    The posts above and below mine focusing on survival techniques are one step in the right direction in my opinion
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    FYI

    Since I live by the sea, this is of special interest to me. All you need is a fire and adaptable containers and you have water you can drink:

    http://www.wikihow.com/Turn-Salt-Wat...Drinking-Water
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    Quote Posted by Beren (here)
    Quote Posted by Daughter of Time (here)
    Quote Posted by Beren (here)
    Yep the fear mode of hoarding in order to preserve body...
    What good is to preserve body in a possible desolate world???

    Controllers want this game so badly ,the game of fear so whoever buy their spoil, then they will "dine together in hell " (just a quick paraphrase of Leonidas and his words from 300)...

    This is why Christ`s original message is so radical and unacceptable to many... Either you choose higher reality or bath in mire and blood through your Earthly existence in primitive conscience world.
    It was never about the things we were told ,it was always about being united with Creator of life in this holy conscience of higher purpose, powers and existence.

    Knowledge that body isn`t the pinnacle of life...just one part of the experience...
    I'm not disagreeing with what Beren expresses here. However, for me it's not so much about the body, for we all know the body must die sooner or later. I feel there's a much larger issue at stake.

    If millions or billions of people were to die in a major catastrophe, most of them would die in utter terror. What happens to a being when they die in a state of terror? What types of entities are created in such a state?

    The harvesting of these frightened souls by "them" is the thought that concerns me the most.
    Well here's the thing, body isn't the pinnacle but is very important for life experience.
    But by limiting the whole life experience to only body experience will produce a sense that this is the only thing that we got so let's fight for it.

    If the change comes as described by many in forms of flares or any other destruction, it would be wiser to prepare mentally and spiritually for the possibility of leaving the body without fear or terror.
    That's how no one gives a chance to possible entities to "harvest" the souls afterwards.

    What is destroyed can be created anew since energy can always transform into shape and form the creator desires.
    Our liberation comes in knowing that we are creators and that physical changes aren't the end of the life.

    But masses do not know this. It's anyone's who has any higher knowledge to explain this to other souls so they can face the heat with different energy patter emitting from their core which cannot be destroyed.
    Of course, it should be the work of all beings with higher knowledge to enlighten the masses. But the masses, with their belief systems engraved in stone, will simply not listen.

    My wonderful, righteous, beautiful uncle passed away last week. Being that they are very well off, his widow gave him the best funeral rites money can buy. At the funeral home, my uncle communicated with me. He said: "thank goodness you can hear me because nobody elese here can. Tell my wife i thank her for such a beautiful display". I relayed this message to my mother who relayed it to his widow. She nearly dropped, and not in joy at the communication, but in fear. She still holds on to the belief that any communication from the other side is evil, even from her loving, caring husband who always adored her. And yet again, a couple of days ago, he communicated to me to tell his wife that he was well and she should go on with her life. Upon hearing this, she reacted almost violently and made it very clear that she would not hear such nonsense again because she does not believe it and it terrifies her.

    This has happened to me so many times before. Whenever a loved who passed gave me a loving message for the loved ones they had left, I felt it was my duty to relay the message. The reactions have usually been incredibly negative. Someone told me I must be the devil to be able to communicate with the dead. Most of these people would have nothing to do with me after such communications. That's OK. I don't need those people in my life. I'd rather be with kindred spirits. So my point is, under the average level of consciousness and understanding on the planet right now, enlightening the masses is merely impossible. If they do not believe in the immortality of the soul, how can they believe that they can die without fear? They are asleep, in the dark, and refuse to be awakened.

    Perhaps the meaning of "the meek shall inherit the earth" is that those who are filled with love will be spared and they will live and rebuild a planet with higher consciousness.

    I do apologize if this post deviates from the purpose of this thread. I will try not to deviate again.
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    My 2 cents worth

    I may have said some of this here or over on Camelot, I’m not sure, but here goes. I think we’re all part of a very large intricate and detailed experiment. Those of us who can’t stay away from these conspiracy sites, though a very diverse group, I believe have a special part to play. That doesn’t mean I think we are special necessarily, anymore than anyone is special, but we have a part to play in whatever is to come. I actually had an experience when I was 6 years old where I was told that I was indeed part of an experiment, I was very loved (and it was very much a felt experience), and at least part of me is not from here. Now, I don’t know what that really means, but I spent the first half of my life (until I was actually in my late 30’s) hating it here and terribly homesick for my real family I knew I had somewhere. I’ve basically come to terms with a great deal, fell totally in love with the Earth herself, and figured maybe I’d better just figure out how to do the best job just being here and being human and part of this amazing time we live in. I did a tremendous amount of baggage off loading in especially in the last 10 years. Hopefully many of us that come here have been doing the same in their own unique way. Many of us sense we are preparing for something. Even if we don’t know for sure how it’s all going to go down, our senses are heightened. For me, I don’t have a problem acknowledging my inner guidance team. It’s been there since childhood and whether it’s me (higher self if you want to call it that), my team (which it feels like to me), my future/other dimensional selves, whatever, the better I’ve gotten at tuning in the better my life experience has been.

    My whole life I’ve been interested in how to basically learn good survival skills on every level. My husband, who is 66 and spent a period of 23 years off/on in the military (Special Forces Medic attached to the Rangers Battalion, served in Vietnam, Desert Storm/Shield etc.), although always willing to discuss these topics, is finally on totally the same page as I am. We have no fear of what the future holds. We both recognize ourselves as eternal beings who have known each other forever. And we know we are here to survive whatever comes. The Earth is a living being. I believe everyone will be where they need to be. I have been learning various types of communication with the natural world so that, in the event of a technological failure (economic collapse, earth changes event, whatever), I have many allies. I also believe we are amazing powerful beings who don’t know what we are really capable of. In other words, I don’t buy into anything that says it has to be a certain way. Anyone can learn to spin foil, bend spoons, remote view, spontaneously heal, become a medical intuitive etc. These skills are not relegated to the select few, they can be developed by anyone. And to me this is just the tip of the ice berg. So, call this crazy if you want, but I even believe we could work with nature to clean up the pollution we humans leave behind (and not just physical!) in record time. I believe we could even create a shield with our collective intent to protect us from, say, a solar event. That doesn’t mean we will. But, I believe we could. Anyway, back to the point I was trying to make, my husband and I are making plans for our future that are good in any kind of scenario.

    I’m not saying you should do what we are, but I think everyone can ascertain exactly what they, as individuals, should be doing at this time, by (in whatever way you use) going within, self reflect, ask your inner knowing/wisdom, to give you guidance and then take the time to listen to what you receive. For us, we decided that living on our boat in any part of the Pacific coast right now was just not where we wanted to be, so we’re selling it and plan to get as self sufficient as possible. I suddenly developed an interest in getting backyard chickens and I’m having a blast with them. My little 6 x 16 foot garden space is packed. I’m learning to barter with other folks for a variety of things. Since my family is not ready to give up meat I went out to my friend who lives in a rural area and helped her butcher the portion of her chickens she was raising for food (mine are now part of the family and just for eggs btw). She’s an amazing person in many ways herself. Her and her husband bow hunt and there 11 year old daughter can start a fire in the rain with just a piece of flint and steel in under 20 minutes! I figured if I had to it would be a good idea to learn the best way to do it and find out if I even could if I had to. She also raises rabbits but I’m not going there even though they’re cheap to raise and very prolific. Plus she just got some goats and is thinking about getting homing pigeons. My children who are mostly grown now thank me for learning to be adaptable because of all the change they experienced growing up. That is one of our greatest gifts as human beings is our ability to be adaptable. Just talking about these kinds of things to others has influenced them and many people I know are taking up these kinds of things. I know how to make soap, candles, medicine from weeds. My husband has delivered babies, pulled teeth, set bones, and stitched a lot of people up. I am fortunate that he is skilled in just about everything good for survival. I have actually driven around the countryside, talked with friends and family about what if scenarios. Nothing too dramatic, but just telling them what I would do and getting them to think/talk about what they might do in certain circumstances. I’ve talked to them about the science of what is going on with our sun and our solar systems location in the galaxy (I’m fortunate to have taken an astronomy class). I guess you should be getting my drift by now.

    If you feel moved to be doing more than you are, then do something, any little thing, that will help you (physically, mentally, emotionally, spiritually) become more adaptable and able to cope with change would be my strongest recommendation to everyone. Everything new has a certain learning curve. Get creative (we were even looking into growing hydroponically using pvc pipe on the boat before we decided to become land lovers again).

    I am still curious about new discoveries and the unraveling that is going on on many levels of society. That, and just plain boredom is what keeps me coming back here. Plus, even though I don’t post much, it does somewhat meet my need for a sense of community of like minded people. Anyway, for what it’s worth (because you know, the internet really could go down at any time) I have appreciated all of you here (and Camelot), because I know for sure I am not alone, especially in even considering all these crazy topics, and for all the hard work some of you put into some of your amazing posts. But, in the end, as far as how far the rabbit hole really goes with the whole alien agenda, sci-ops, black projects, break away technologically advanced society of elitists, I really can’t claim to have all the answers there. Doesn’t hurt to speculate, and believe me, it’s one of my favorite pastimes, but it’s kinda like trying to describe what’s inside the fish bowl while you’re in it. We all have to rely on too much outsider information for now to know definitively what is really going on. So, I’m spending more and more time just living and paying attention to what’s right in front of me while just trying to be ready as I can be for anything. Eventually we’ll all know how things are going to turn out as the weeks and months pass. Parting advice, nature is the best medicine.



    Below is a picture of the burdock plant I left growing in with my raspberries. I will dig it up this fall and make tea out of it.


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    Default Re: From Bill Ryan -- the Ultimate Hypothesis

    well eyes in the sky are out from the 1.4 X-class that just popped off at earth...

    dark energy waves going on while these waves are rolling in...

    hey elites, are your bags packed yet?


    fill a bathtub with water for now until further update, just in case...

    I was out for a walk when the energy hit us, I felt so light headed I had to grab a tree to keep from floating away...
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