From Bill Ryan -- the Ultimate Hypothesis

[Fred Steeves]

Posted by Belle (here)
Time loops also bring to mind things like celebrity deaths (ie Ernest Borgnine who recently died...I swear I remember his death occurring over ten years ago) or are they alive? At one time there were a lot of websites and blogs covering this phenomenon.

Huh Belle, that IS odd. I thought the same thing. A timeloop, a parralel dimension, how much difference is there really? This reminds me of something I ponder on from time to time. There have been several times in my life where I just knew I was in the process of being killed, experienced that coming to peace moment of acceptance, and then suddenly...I'm still here...Or was I?

Maybe I really did die during atleast one, if not all of those instances, but my source self chose to skip over to a parralel existance, one in which I miraculously survive.

I'm glad you brought that up.

Cheers,
Fred

Post Edit: For that matter, if everyone in the United States and Europe woke up tomorrow speaking German, and still carrying with them the stigma of the atrocities their country had committed before finally being annihilated in WW 2, would it seem any different than a "normal" morning?

Or maybe just get one of those fleeting oddball feelings we get from "time" to "time", before shrugging it of and continuing on with the day.

[mountain_jim]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
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None of the above is about whether Jesus/Yeshua existed in person two thousand years ago. (I'm sure he did, btw.) It's a response to the conundrum of these kinds of benevolent visitations -- which, if one collects all the reports, are not as uncommon as one might think.

Due to a thread in the General forum,

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...ine-Prediction

I listened to the April Kerry interview with Courtney Brown yesterday. Turns out Brown set up a remote viewing project to answer this question, covered in video below, the results of which appear to match the material given through Jane Roberts by Seth concerning what happened with the Jesus character.

(aside - I am continuing to read more of the Seth books and find the material of high value, though I have no opinion about the validity of the below concerning the historical Christ story)

The remote viewing project results for June 2013 from Farsight Institute discussed in the Kerry interview linked to in the thread link above go right along with the material in this current thread, fwiw, as the results showed major Earth changes having happened by June 2013 in most of the 6 location targets chosen.

(later edit: After watching, this video serves more, in my opinion, as a marketing tool for his whole dvd, and does not contain any of the project target/session data. It does include the Seth statements he claims the results closely followed. Data is online here:

http://www.crucifixionruse.com/

sorry for thread digression but I find remote viewing to be a fascinating use of consciousness in a structured manner to obtain information)

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=Jw8uX76lPHc

Published on Mar 28, 2012 by FarsightPress


The above YouTube video is the first 22 minutes of a much longer documentary (1 hr. 53 min.).
New evidence has been collected regarding the real historical Jesus and the crucifixion drama. This evidence changes everything we thought we knew about that event. Using remote-viewing methodologies derived from those developed by the United States military and used for espionage purposes, we now have a more complete picture of what apparently actually happened 2,000 years ago. Courtney Brown, Ph.D., the leading scholar in the field of remote viewing involving such procedures, explains how these new data, collected under controlled experimental conditions, indicate that someone else was crucified instead of Jesus. Moreover, the data indicate that Jesus took part in the ruse, a risky plan that made Jesus into a martyr, allowing his teachings to spread across the millennia. These data also support the idea that Judas was a primary conspirator, and he acted to save, not betray Jesus. Importantly, this new evidence does not diminish Jesus or his legacy. Courtney Brown explains why Jesus had no choice but to allow the crucifixion event to occur as it did, an explanation that is based on an interpretation of quantum physics. Now, the new evidence allows us finally to understand his teachings more fully, something that was not possible in Jesus's day. It seems likely that Jesus knew that the truth would one day come out, once we matured as a civilization. That day is today. Look at the data yourself, learn about the methodologies used to collect them, and then decide for yourself.

The full documentary explains all of the data, and offers a complete interpretation of the results that is as unambiguous as it is surprising. The full documentary is available as a DVD on Amazon.com.

(Release date: 22 March 2012)

http://www.crucifixionruse.com/

[Chester]

Posted by another bob (here)

Posted by Daughter of Time (here)
For those of you who believe that Jesus never existed and that it's all a concoction or a myth, then how would you explain his prophecy to me?

I'd appreciate your replies.

Your Higher Self will appear in whatever form to which you are most conditioned to respond.


~ Mellen-Thomas Benedict

http://www.near-death.com/experience...rnation04.html

I know this post won't be very popular.

I have studied the synchronicity phenomena for years and in depth. I was able to achieve incredible synchronicities whenever I got excited that I was onto some higher spiritual truth. Now let me add the kicker. I experienced these levels of quite profound and all but mathematically impossible synchronicities when I studied the perennial philosophy which some refer to as "mystery school" teachings, when I studied Luciferianism and Satanism, when I studied Buddhism, when I studied the Tao, when I studied both fundamental and mystical Christianity, Judaism and Islam, when I studied trans personal psychology and when I studied some of the nature religions and shamanism.

It has been my conclusion that I tapped into a "higher self" of sorts that, because of my enthusiasm, returned to me "synchronistic" confirmations which, when I was younger, led me to believe I was on the right track.

The problem being that all the tracks at one time or another were shown to be "the right track."

This experience has led me to conclude that we can explore all of these things in the lower dimensions so to speak, the realms of duality... and that with enough enthusiasm, we receive psi confirmations - dreams, intuitions, synchronicities, etc.

We then sometimes make the mistake that these confirmations are from some higher source, higher authority and in many cases, people will attach to a specific path or philosophy or religion and never realize they are simply exploring lower realms in attempts to answer questions that can't be answered in words and in fact, can't be asked.

I am unsure if what I wrote above can make much sense to the reader, but in hopes of conveying a point... my point is that when we are against time (as we are in this game) if we avoid trying to implement someone else's path and instead constantly invent the path within... as long as we stay true to ourselves and in the process use rigorous honesty, if one's true, honest intent is "to see a better world" one will become the change wanted to be seen and I like to believe we experience this change externally.

I don't like to quote others, but I alluded to something from Gandhi above and now will mention one from Krishnamurti - "Truth is a pathless land."

All this is outside of duality (which unfortunately the words just used suggest a duality) but I have recently found my experience of this non dual world is assisting me in solidifying who I am and thus what I am about in this world of duality.

"Don't look for signs," is the message I get... "just continue on in the journey and be true to yourself, justone. And when the duality pulls you in, you will be fully prepared to respond and respond for the best, even if that means a fight."

all great posts in the last several pages and I see them (including DoTs) as relevant to this thread - especially align with these four - justoneman

631 Bill
632 NancyV
636 another bob
642 mountain_jim

[AnthonyBacala]

SPECIAL REPORT: THE END OF OZ
Bix Weir

Found here http://www.roadtoroota.com/public/305.cfm

Spring 1964: A little known high school teacher named Henry Littlefield published an article in the American Quarterly arguing that the novel "The Wonderful Wizard of OZ" was a cleverly disguised satire on the politics of the late 1800's America. He also argued that the Author, Frank Baum, devised the first "truly American Fairy Tale" as a Monetary Allegory on the virtues of a bi-metallic monetary system and the fight against the evil bankers.

The Wizard of OZ: Parable on Populism http://www.amphigory.com/oz.htm

Since this article was publish there have been many follow on articles and other theories developed as to the meaning of the story but the monetary symbolism lives on in the hearts of millions of gold bugs and hard-money advocates around the world.

The following is my interpretation of the characters and plot of the original OZ story drawing mostly from the original Littlefield article but also others that have been published.

CHARACTERS

Dorothy = The "Everyman" representing the many "Sheeple" that live their lives from day to day unaware there is more going on behind the scenes. Dorothy wanted to find her way home (to the ideal of the United States of America as set forth by our Founding Fathers)

The Scarecrow = Midwest farmers whose years of hardship and self doubt has made them the subject of ridicule. The Scarecrow was in search of a brain.

The Tin Woodsman = Represented the nations workers and in particular industrial workers who were being disenfranchised by the industrial leaders and banking concerns. The Tin Woodsman was in search of a heart.

The Cowardly Lion = Represented William Jennings Bryan, the Nebraska Congressman who was the Democratic presidential candidate in 1896 and 1900. Jennings was known for his roaring rhetoric but didn't have enough support and confidence to back-up his verbal attacks. The Cowardly Lion was in search of courage.

The Wizard = A manipulative politician or even the President of the United States.

The Wicked Witches = Represent financial-industrial interests and their gold-standard political allies, the main targets of Populist venom.

The Colors of Money = The story is richly bathed in the colors of gold, silver and green all having vital importance to both the plot and the monetary allegory.

THE PLOT

In its most basic form, the plot of The Wonderful Wizard of OZ is a quest by the people of the United States of America to take back the control of their monetary system by "melting" the evil cabal of bankers and industrialist that use and abuse the power of money for their own purposes. It is truly a battle between the forces of good and evil, and, as in most good fairy tales, good will always triumph over evil...but this tale never really ended!

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At the end of Baum's novel Dorothy returns to the "colorless" world of gray Kansas and loses her silver slippers. Here is an excellent interpretation of the actual results of the adventure:

"Neither the Scarecrow nor the Tin Man nor the Lion truly lacked what each believed he was missing; the great Wizard's powers proved illusory; and Dorothy had the power to transform her condition all along. These features of the story point to a more ambivalent result. Indeed, Populism's outright failure is suggested when Dorothy's silver shoes fall off in the desert and are "lost forever." After Bryan's defeat in 1896, the free-silver movement went into rapid decline. McKinley's reelection and the statutory adoption of the gold standard in 1900 spelled political oblivion for the Populists."

http://www.usagold.com/gildedopinion/oz.html

It's plain to see how our monetary realities have transpired since the story was written over 110 years ago. Today, the total and complete transfer of control of our monetary system has almost been achieved by the banking and industrial powers.

Could it be that for over 110 years this "Truly American Fairy Tale" is still in process? And if so WHEN WILL WE FINALLY MELT THE WITCH? Don't ALL fairy tales really END with the final defeat of the evil villain, or are we going to realize Dorothy's worst nightmare and never return home?

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THE END OF OZ

We last left our hero in the Wonderful Wizard of OZ on the plains of Kansas in a gray, dark land with very little hope for introducing the colors of OZ (gold/silver backed monetary system). Since the book was released in 1900 there have been many "remakes" of the OZ story in books, films and plays but they have all ended on that same sour note of Dorothy returning to the colorless world.

Net effect = No change

…until NOW!

In December 2007 the SciFi Channel aired the latest remake of the OZ tale with the release of "Tin Man". This new version of the old tale was complete with the latest special effects and a new angle. It is clearly not based off the original characters in Baum's 1900 era plot.

Here is the original Trailer for Tin Man:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=gs5PEEzaxjU

You can buy the Collector edition here:

http://www.amazon.com/Tin-Two-Disc-C.../dp/B0010X744G

Or you can instantly download all three episodes here:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...8612152&sr=1-1

Truthfully, when I first watched this movie I was on the hunt for clues to the Monetary Allegory angle and I didn't see them. It seemed to me to be a very bizarre telling of the story that made no sense at all. Was this just another attempt to suck some more profits from the original tale by updating it with special effects for today's attention-deficit-disorder audience that refuses to watch movies unless they are in 3D on an iMax screen?

So I did a little more checking, a little more thinking and a LOT more opening my mind to the possibility and WHAM! There is was. Clear as day.

A NEW MONETARY ALLEGORY BASED ON TODAY'S EVENTS!

One that is based off the CURRENT EVENTS discussed in:

The Road to Roota Theory http://www.roadtoroota.com/public/190.cfm

Let me walk you through it with the characters and plot like I did above:

CHARACTERS

D.G. = The "Everyday" person represented by the US Congress. The initials D.G. stand for Dorothy Gale from the original story. Just like Dorothy, D.G. is wandering through life with blinders on but also a feeling that something was not right about the world she was living in.

Glitch = The character Glitch is a take-off on the Scarecrow who once had a brain but it was removed by the bad guys and now he is a bumbling fool. Glitch was once the Queens most trusted adviser who invented a digital machine that controls the entire O.Z. (Outer Zone). Glitch represents Alan Greenspan who used his computer programming ability to rig the "free markets" since the early 1970's. This computer control was stolen by the banking cabal in the late 1980's and Greenspan turned into the babbling mouthpiece that ran the fiat monetary system from 1987-2007. In the end Glitch regains his brains and fights to take down the banksters. (See "Greenspan's Golden Secret" http://www.roadtoroota.com/public/101.cfm)

Tin Man = The character Tin Man or Cain is a takeoff on the Tin Woodsman. Cain is a cop who has been locked in a metal bodysuit and forced to watch the murder of his wife over and over. The Tin Man represents ex-Attorney General, Michael Mukasey who presided over the 1993 World Trade Center bombings, Jose Padilla 911 trail and the Larry Silverstein WTC insurance trial. Basically, Mukasey oversaw the evil plots by the banking cabal against America and was helpless to stop them for fear of assassination. Like the movie, he was forced to witness the murder of his love (the Rule of Law). Mukasey was one of Ronald Regan's closest allies and part of a small alliance of people in charge of the Gold Standard Implementation process. His son Marc, who got bankster Bernnie Madoff's accountant to turn states evidence against the banking cabal, is represented in the movie as Cain's son Jeb, the leader of the underground resistance.

RAW = The character "RAW" is a takeoff on the Cowardly Lion who, like William Bryan, is full of strong rhetoric but lacked the courage to fight the bad guys. RAW represents our friend Ron Paul. For years Ron has spoken out against the evils of fiat money and the Federal Reserve System only to be cast aside. The character RAW is found trapped inside a womb, of sorts, which is symbolic of RP's having delivered over 4,000 babies in his professional career as a doctor. RAW is able to see the future just like Ron Paul has seen the destruction of the fiat monetary system. RAW is found trapped in the "fields of the Papay" which have these scary creatures that I believe represent commodity traders on the COMEX.

Tutor = The shape shifting character Tutor is a takeoff on Dorothy's dog Toto. Tutor represents the ex Fed Chairman Paul Volcker who taught the United States how to float currencies without a gold standard. In the movie Tutor is seen as a traitor for working for the banksters as a spy which Volcker did in real life when he worked for the Rothschilds banking family. In the end Tutor helps to take down the evil empire just like Volcker is currently helping to take down the banksters with his Volcker Rule.

Azkadellia = In Tin Man, Azkadellia is actually the sister of D.G. but becomes possessed by an evil witch when she is a child and turns against D.G. (the people). Azkadellia represents the Federal Reserve System which was taken over by the banksters. Azkadellia wears a gold armored dress for much of the movie until the final scene when she has a silver dress on with the green emerald around her neck. Azkadellia and D.G. stand together to melt the wicked witch with a ray of SILVER while the witch fires a ray of GOLD.

The Witch = The Witch represents the Wicked Witch of the West who tries to take control of the entire OZ and plunge it into darkness. The Witch is found in a dark cave when D.G. and Azkadellia are just little girls and the witch possesses Azkadellia when D.G. abandons her. In the end the Witch is melted by a SILVER beam emitted from the joining of D.G. (Congress) and Azkadellia (Federal Reserve). When the witch is melting the she says "I care not for the heavens do my bidding" which is eerily reminiscent of Mayer Rothschild's quote "Give me control of a nation's money and I care not who makes her laws."

The Mystic Man = The Mystic Man represents President Ronald Regan who began the original attack on the banking cabal in 1980 and tried to implement a gold standard before he was silenced. The first attempt on his life by VP Bush Sr. (with the setup of his friend's son John Hinkley Jr. as the pawn) but what worked was his contracting Alzheimer's (which may have been poison induced by the bad guys). The Mystic Man is addicted to Vapors, a drug created by Azkadellia and is ultimately killed by the queen by sucking a silver mist from his mouth.

Queen Lavender-Eyes = The character Lavender Eyes is a new character to the story but is obviously a representation of Liberty as she is the mother of D.G. and locked away on a small island to stand alone in a gray/green dress. The symbolism to the Statue of Liberty is obvious and D.G.'s attempt to free her represents the "good guys" attempt to restore Liberty to the citizens of the United States of America.



Zero = One of the main bad guy's is named Zero. It is very difficult to determine who the bad guys are but my guess on this one is that it is Dick Cheney. This is only a guess but due to the nasty nature of this character it makes sense that Cheney be represented because he has run much of the banking cabals operations in the US for the last three decades.

Ahamo = The character Ahamo is also a new character to the story and I believe this to be in reference to Warren Buffet the Oracle of Omaha (Ahamo spelled backwards). Although I see no evidence of Warren Buffet working with the good guys today, I believe that he will come through in a meaningful way when the time is right. Here is my take on Mr. Buffett and the taking down of the bad guys (http://www.roadtoroota.com/public/243.cfm)

Mobats = The Mobats are part monkey, part bat creatures who are based on the Flying Monkeys from the original story. They were imprisoned with the Evil Witch of the Dark in her cave and enter into Azkadellia when the Witch takes possession of her. Mobats represent the Banks that are summoned by the Federal Reserve Banks to rig the financial markets.

Longcoats = The Longcoats are Azkadellia's Royal Troops. Stereotypical evil henchmen, they get their names from the long, black coats which they wear. Their appearance and attitude is akin to members of the SS, Hitler's secret police. The Longcoats represent the Cabals henchmen that implement the more diabolical plans of the Bad Guys such as the Kennedy assassination and false flag operations (ie 911 style attacks).

THE PLOT

Although the plot of "Tin Man" holds many of the same monetary concepts as the original story the characters and story line have changed dramatically. DG's always felt that there was something missing in her life...some cosmic meaning. When she is transported to the O.Z. by the tornado (financial crisis) she begins to understand that there is a world that was hidden from her.

In this new world D.G. (Congress or The People) discovers she has a sister (the Federal Reserve) that was once good but turned bad when she became possessed by an evil witch(Banking Cabal). When they were young they worked and played together learning how to make their green doll float (floating fiat currencies) with the help of Tudor (Paul Volcker). She also learned that she had a mother (Liberty) who loved her very much but was locked away on an island by the witch. Her mothers most trusted adviser and once the smartest man on the O.Z. Glitch (Greenspan) invented a digital machine called the Sun Seeder (Greenspan's original gold market rigging computer programs) that the witch stole and was using it to destroy the O.Z.

D.G. relives the moment when her sister becomes possessed by the evil witch and understands that it was her fault her sister became possessed by the evil witch. Upon entering the cave of the witch D.G. became scared and ran from her sister's side breaking their silver, glowing grip that provided protection (silver money controlled by Congress). She soon realizes that all of the tragedies which have befallen the O.Z. are the result of that mistake she made as a child (Congress giving up control of fiat money to the Banking Cabal). D.G. also learns that she has more power than she knows and goes on a journey to find the Emerald of the Eclipse (the power of fiat US Dollars) to stop the evil witch from destroying the O.Z.

D.G. travels through many strange lands on her way to find the Emerald of the Eclipse. First was a forest where the Eastern Resistance (Chinese) were fighting Azkadellia's Longcoats but did not have the size and power to do much damage. Then there was Milltown (any US Manufacturing town) which has been all but destroyed with only some 1/2 human and 1/2 robotic people (technology replacing human production). D.G. travels to a place that looks very similar to the halls of the US Congress with large marble walls and columns to finally find the Emerald but Azkadellia steals it from her. The power over the Emerald (fiat USD) gives her the power to "bring eternal darkness to the O.Z."

D.G. rejoins with her group of new friends (Ron Paul, Michael Mukasey, Alan Greenspan, Paul Volcker) to take back the Emerald of the Eclipse. D.G. confronts Azkadellia as she is using the Emerald and the Sun Seeder to lock the the two suns behind the moon and banish the O.Z. to eternal darkness (Two EMP satellites that may have been the original end game for the banking cabal).

In the end, Azkadellia removes herself from the grasp of the wicked which and standing hand in hand with D.G. attack with a SILVER beam of light as the witch fights back with a smaller GOLD beam of light. The witch melts, the sun comes out and the O.Z. is instantly transformed to it's original state of beauty, abundance and "liberty and justice for all".

The final line in the movie is:

"Now this is the O.Z. I remember".

MORE EVIDENCE

The Producer -- When I first started investigating this movie as a play on current events I had to establish a link between someone who was involved in this movie and the good guys who are taking down the cabal and it didn't take very long. The main driving force behind the production of Tin Man was Robert Halmi Sr. who is not only a very famous movie producer but also worked for the CIA…. http://movies.yahoo.com/movie/contri...1800275083/bio

Halmi's early days with the CIA give him the perfect insiders view of the battle between the Good Guys and the Bad Guys. If you watch the interviews with him about the movie (in the special features of the DVD) it is clear that he had a passion for making this film and carrying on the long held traditions of the original book but updating them for today. This includes the monetary allegory angle.

Gold/Silver Role -- Gold and silver play a HUGE role in the entire movie from start to finish. Here are just some observations:

- The "Yellow Brick Road" is missing many gold bricks just as suggested by the GATA crowd that the Gold in Ft. Knox is long gone

- Silver plays a VERY big role with a silver glow showing up when D.G. is feeling lost in the café, the silver glow when D.G. and Azkadellia make their red and green dolls float (floating currencies), when a Silver net that looks a lot like silver ore is dumped on D.G. and friends (COMEX dumping), the doll that glows silver that is given to Ahamo (Buffett), silver drives away the bear (Stearns?) and ultimately it is silver that kills the wicked witch.

- At a pivotal point in the script D.G. goes into a building that looks like marbled Congress to retrieve the Emerald (monetary authority). When she enters the room she is transported into a black and white version of a farm in Kansas where the real Dorothy hands D.G. the emerald. D.G. Looks down and sees Dorothy wearing SILVER slippers! Too symbolic to be accident if you ask me.

- Azkadellia wears gold armored dresses most of the time that she is possessed by the Wicked Witch. In the end she is in a silver dress and is ultimately freed from the witch by the silver beam coming from the joining of Congress (D.G.) and the Federal Reserve (Azkadellia).



Tin Man Interactive - The ScyFy Channel has set up an interactive website that takes you through the art of the movie in "Enter the Infinite OZ". During the journey you will find it starts with a Golden scene, goes through a scene with a multi-colored road (various commodities), through a cave filled with geologic mineral deposits(secret Grand Canyon deposits?) and ends on a beautiful SILVER ROAD that leads to your destination! It can be found here:

http://www.syfy.com/tinman/oz/

All Seeing Eye = To top off all the monetary symbolism they even include the "All Seeing Eye" that is put into D.G.'s hand. To enter the Congress like building and find the emerald D.G. uses the power of the all seeing eye.



Here are some posted YouTube Videos for those who don't have the DVD of the movie:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=_LD7Mvfjv00

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=1B0SN8Sspys

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=MzzUY2GG0bI

I know this is a lot to take in as it has taken me YEARS to come to these conclusions BUT it is an AMAZING angle at an historic moment in time. You will need to watch this movie, look for all the clues and judge for yourself.

Oh, this report is only PART 1 of my analysis!

PART 2 will address the following themes:

- Red and Green dresses represent FRN's and Treasury Notes

- The Rothschild Shield is on the wall of Azkadellia's castle

- Floating Green doll represents the floating fiat currency system

- The bear represents Bear Sterns

- The digital codes to stop the "Sun Seeder" are significant dates in our monetary history

- Xora, the leader of the Mobats, represents Goldman Sachs

- The hidden language in the cave and our hidden history of an ancient civilization that once lived on earth

AND THERE IS MUCH MORE!

Stay tuned :-)

Bix Weir www.RoadtoRoota.com

[SEAM]

From another forum .... (just copying here)

Re: I am the real John Lear...ask me a question

John,

What is your thoughts on this interview?

[link to golden-rule.org]

The video is recommended by Bill Ryan, and is an interview with an Army-veteran that was involved in government work 30 years ago. According to his testimony part of his job was to load up the black anti-grav triangles with equipment.

[link to projectavalon.net]

Thanks!
Quoting: Ofelas



Thanks Ofelas,

That was extremely interesting.

(1) So basically the grays run on green hydraulic fluid and don’t come from outer space but from another dimension?

(2) Starting in December of 2012 will be the elimination of 6.5 billion people. The only ones that are
safe are those who can get a ride to the moon or who have a clearance for the underground facilities on earth.

(3) We can (if we are among the living) come back to earth in 7 years and start the repopulation. (The possibilities of that are intriguing!!!)

(4) The Mayan calendar was correct.

(5) We all have to make a decision. (I’m not clear on this. If we decide to live where do we go? Is there a line? I guess I’ll have to go back and listen again.)

As to the second video we all pretty much knew about that anti-grav stuff and the vast underground tunnels you have to kill me if you tell me about.

Bottom Line: Although ‘Dutch’ is quite sincere and uses “…and everything..” where most people use ...um..ahhh…” its basically horse puckey. Aliens are not from outer space?

Aliens are us in the future coming back to help us? Sounds like the J-Rod/Dan Burisch 5200-4600 scenario? So if I am sitting in my house in December 2012 the sun is going to blink out, the moon will turn red and then I will be eliminated? Will I feel anything? Will there be like a cosmic sound? Or will it be like a spontaneous human combustion where all that is left is fingers and toes. Imagine that? That’s 70 billion toes, 70 billion fingers and 14 billions ears.

Gaddzzooks. I wonder who gets to clean up that mess?

[SEAM]

He also had the same response to "Your God-My God" that Bill presented a page or so ago.. (One interesting fellow - JL)

Actually there is room in heaven for everybody. If you are Christian you will be met by Jesus or God (I always get the two confused). If you are a Buddhist you will be met by Buddha himself. If you are Muslim you will be met by Mohammed or God himself.

I believe in the Great Pumkin so I will be met by the Everlasting Great Pumkin.

Remember what Steve Jobs said a few minutes before he died?

He said, Oh, wow! OH WOW!!!! OH WOW!!!!!

Each Oh Wow was louder than the first.

What Steve was looking at was the reception room upstairs. It is so magnificent with huge gold and silver ornaments and trimmings that it literally would take your breath away if you had any. But it is just your soul with no pain, sorrow, grief or regret.

I do not know why they let Steve make that utterance because it is usually very secret. But the fact is he did make it, it did make all the newspapers, and that is what he saw and meant.

If you are wondering about what happens if you go to hell, there are many degrees of hell, earth being one of them.

We are sent here because sometime in our previous lives we were bad boys and girls. And we have to work out these problems on earth, being challenged up to 25 times a day or more depending on your partricular case. And we are supposed to meet those challenges with integrity; and without envy, hate or greed.

So while I don't believe in a God it doesn't mean you have to believe as I do. You can believe in anybody you want just so long as as you meet your challenges as specified above.

And you should know that getting a dunking or eating a cracker or saying a few Hail Marys or asking some mythical figure is not going to get you into heaven because everybody is welcome whether you ask or not.

Just so you live your live with integrity; and without envy, hate or greed and express your love to your family each and every day.

I don't or won't regret saying anything because you don't get reprimanded for saying a God doesn't exist because he doesn't and the proof is that the universe is infinite. Can you imagine what it would be like to be God and have to round up all the sinners in a universe that was infinite?

Or just imagine if the gatekeeper guy St. Pete had to keep track of an infinite universe full of trillions and godzillions of aliens and humans? Not even in the realm of possibility.

And if you are so unsure of your place in the sun that you are going to quit reading my posts the question is why? .

[Hervé]

I was reading this article on SOTT.net (http://www.sott.net/articles/show/24...Greek-Property) about Greece selling properties, etc... but what interested me most was the comment to this article:

Greece Has More Oil Than Iran. By: Highland Fleet Lute

The southern part of Crete apparently has more oil than Iran! Speaking on STEP FM in Canada, Professor Antonis Foskolos from the Department of Mineral Resources and Engineering of the Technical University of Crete. said that "we committed ​​a crime back in 1997 when they stopped investigations."

Foskolos said that the hydrocarbon fields under Crete are immense with at least 22 billion barrels of oil. The Herodotus Basin he said has some 14 to 15 billion barrels of oil, while there are only 400 million barrels in Patras. He also noted that the deposits of natural gas recently found in Cyprus are still "small" because there are at least three other layers that have yet to be investigated. Cyprus has four layers.. said Foskolos... but the aforementioned basin under Crete has "7 layers"!

The Professor said that once the oil begins being exploited it will all be exported, since the whole area Crete has an additional 22 billion barrels of oil totaling some 38 billion barrels! "We are at the level of Iran in relation to stocks," (meaning oil reserves) noted Foskolos and concluded by saying that in 2016-2017 this development, and these riches will change the face of Greece. This "will change the strength of the country. "

In an earlier report on hellasfrappe Foskolos had said that the two areas that in his professional opinion have significant amount of deposits are nine mud volcanoes southeast of Crete, in the Greek Herodotus basin. More precisely, the mud volcanoes in this area contain high amounts of hydrocarbon reserves, primarily natural gas, of approximately 1.5 trillion cubic meters! (Click here for that story)
This is comparable with what has been found in the Nile Delta, the Caspian Sea (deposit Shah Deniz), Norway and elsewhere.

In his expert opinion, the south eastern basin of Herodotus in Crete has reserves that surpass two trillion cubic meter mark. This is a vast amount and can only be compared to what was discovered in the Nile Delta (by SHELL, BP) . He says the sediments are of the same origin and geological formations are very similar. In all so far, it is estimated that there are 3.5 trillion cubic meters of gas located there, which can be equaled to 20-22 billion barrels of oil!

The benefits for Greece are obvious. Foskolos believes that the exploitation of these deposits will create a total of 300,000 jobs. At least 100,000 in the primary sector and 200,000 jobs in the secondary sector, while all revenue can be reaped by the Greek state in 25 years amounts to 437 billion US and this is not counting the profits from the pipeline that will transport the natural gas to Europe ( at a length of 1000 km at a cost of approximately $ 20,000 / km, or 25 billion US dollars.)

Other experts agree with Foskolos as well. A separate report on the Chaniotika nea site said that Professor Giannis Makris says that there are two potential hydrocarbon reserves southwest of Crete, where sediment thickness frin 10 to 12 kilometers, and there are hydrocarbon reserves in Western Crete where there are 3 fields of mud volcanoes.

.... and thousands of tons of gold, uranium, osmium and and other rare minerals, apparently.

"Whenever we attempted to start bidding processes that would allow corporations to create infrastructure for the extraction of the resources we received major pressure to abandon the efforts and warnings that 'nothing will materialise' no matter what we do".....

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This, together with Tunisia, Egypt, Lybia, Syria... reminded me of what's in the Angelo Roncalli's prophecies:

"They want the Mediterranean Sea." Now, at least I've got an idea why... and with that decided to pursue a rough translation of most of these prophecies written down in 1935 and ending at "Twenty centuries plus the savior's age"(which many interpret as being 2033), so here they are after a short intro on the book history:

Pier Carpi
We remember the impact produced by the book's publication by Pier Carpi, "The Prophecies of Pope John XXIII." The book was published in Rome by the "Mediterranean Editions" in 1976 and then, almost immediately, again in French by Jean-Claude Lattes / Williams-Alto. This was to generate some controversy in spiritualist circles and intrigued at the highest point many commentators of prophetic texts. If one believes Jacques Duchaussoy, “... what this author has condensed in his book ‘The Prophecies of Pope John XXIII’ must have provoked terrifying or terrified reactions in high places because in the weeks that followed the French publication of the book, it disappeared from any bookseller and the editor replied ‘sold out’”

The fact is that the interest, with respect to these papal prophecies -- in any form whatsoever, fell rapidly. It was not until the fall of 1978, the strange conclave that placed John Paul I on the throne of Peter, and the sudden death of the new Pontiff, that we remember the revelations of Pier Carpi and we rediscovered his book. Curiously, it had reappeared in paperback ('J’ai Lu' A353) a few months earlier, in March more precisely ...


"0 Italy who believed in the false freedom of 1870 and has never known freedom.
Who has raised in your womb the ills of the time, born in the city of the first edict.

You have had false kings, sons of non-kings, you do not know how to kill them while they kill you. Today your king, son of non-king, is the shadow of the mask which yells. In Monaco he will simulate peace, but he has shed blood in Spain.

And the son of the beast is brother, father, master to him. The black pagan gods are exhumed and eagles and songs of death. There never was freedom, there is no freedom. He who believes opposing the false knowledge to faith, pride preterm to the divine, is not free. Today it’s these sons of that pride, enclosed within borders, who are trembling. And they are all enemies.

And you new Czar, cursed by the little father, you shake the hand of the black dictator. Look at the sea, It will be red with blood.


"United in the pride of victory, of revenge, caught in the net of expansion, you’ll separate from each other and you’ll crumble down in your society, nations.

It is not privilege that can bring peace to the world, it is not invasion, it is not the separation of the blood, Sons of the demon of Luther. The states of the future were without of you, you've ignored them, you have trampled them. Slaves today, tomorrow enlightened masters.

Danzig, wound of Europe, scourge of the world.

Dividing the world means to divide and injure, kill. The son of the Beast marches on, begotten in a year in secret.

The docile slaves, eternal sons of God and the most Blessed Great Mother, suffer beyond the Ural Mountains.

They die by the millions in silence, little will be revealed.

The dead do not talk.

The new Tsar kills the true sons of the little father. He sports the eyes of a wolf. But the wolves are at the border.

Why the traveler with the eyes of steel does not speak, who knows, perhaps it’s been asked of him? Why is he fleeing in silence?

On the Angels’ Land there was too much pride. The world is sure to smile. And the rich play with the puppies pretending to ignore that these are the three wolves of the world's three errors.


"Great the races. False crowns are worn on large land, we give slave kings and chiefs to civil people in the name of the void created by evil.

He who can act remains motionless, hoping to save himself, or take his share.

In laboratories weapons are prepared, unknown to all. Italy is the forge. [Fermi Labs]

Italy, who puts in fake marble what she does not have in her heart. Her men are statues without thoughts.

The intended war. The war of all, without borders. The son of the Beast loosens the wild beasts.

And Europe collapses, like a statue of mud.

The sea kills under water. And the sky spits fire. Innocent people killed in houses.
And where boots and nails arrive, the children of Israel know the torment. Sheep barns for their pain and subtle death.

The torturers know, they will lie at Nuremberg.

Always look for the perpetrators, even when you believe they are dead. Look for them wherever power survives on terror. Look for them in the houses of the ones who have been enriched with the war.

Not for revenge, but to prevent them and their children to invade the world once more by hiding the word and the chief.

We will say nothing of Italy, but her men are complicit.

The son of the Beast holds the Great Weapon in his heart.


"He who fell from the African sky and whose wing was struck and could act. It is why he was killed.

His secret wife knows and holds the letters of betrayal. They will appear at her death and then the one who seems sheep is to appear wolf.

Whoever lit three candles in the holy night, fled. Who knew?

The new Tsar has betrayed, he thought he had lost. He killed his men before the nails trampled them. And by his cowardice millions fall. But his honored body will be removed from the sanctuary.

The Angels’ Land cries and her leader will betray. Other letters one day to be known. When the secret of the son the Beast’s friend is discovered, who took off at night to the Angels’ Land. [Hess]

The Celestial Land is divided, invaded. But there acts the greatest of all, it will be one day called father and give love to his great nation. He has three enemies, he has will beat them one after the other.

The first enemy, yellow, hit the sons of Luther, naked in the water. The second is on his land and has powerful friends.

The third is the new Tsar, who ordered to kill him.


"Europe is in bloom.

France has two leaders, but great is the one of the desert [De Gaule]. He owes a secret gratitude to the general of Spain [Franco].

We fight, but from the mountains, red and white flowers climb down, Europe, these are your best sons, who one day will be betrayed.

Because the leaders they believe they shot down will control again, always the same.

They shot down the money puppets, not the money masters. And they will be seduced by the new Tsar, who defeated despite the betrayal, with his fierce red flame.

The sons of Luther in Europe. War of weapons, wars of the passions. The youngs from the mountains have new flags, which the powerful will tear out through deceit. Beware the sons of Luther and the sons of the new Tsar. They want a world battered for the last meal. France, rise up the Cross of Lorraine. Europe, brandish your songs louder than the sound of the guns.

The son the Beast has escaped three attacks. Not the fourth. He used them to kill who he hates. But for him it is the end. Locked in the den, tightly holding the other’s wife. On his death, the mystery.

But beware of the man who emerged from the den at the end. It will take him a long time to die and the prepares the world other scourgess. He knows the Beast’s real face.


"You son of Luther, you will not see the end of the destruction. And your successor will commit more crimes than you, if possible. [Ike-Pearl Harbour / Truman-Hiroshima]

The Great Weapon will explode in the Orient, leaving eternal wounds. This loose mark on the flesh of the world will no longer be erased.

The Great Weapon, useless to the war, used for power. To frighten those who do not submit to slavery. But no weapon stops one who has faith.

On the Celestial Land one fights for freedom. The little Tsar shudders at the explosion. He wants to stop a people in revolt, on the Celestial Land. He will not succeed.

The traitor of the Land of Angels lost the maps. They will reappear one day. He killed to get them back.

On Brahma’s Land an unarmed voice. It is the consciousness of the world, which will never die, even when his flesh is dead.

The mask will be hung upside down in the city of the edict. But nobody will ever know how he was killed. The order came from afar.

The king who was not a king's son will not return to Italy. And even the man who said to be his son will be expelled. The night of revenge will be hard.

0 Israel who returns to your land.


"The trampled young nations explode, one fights and wins. On the far land of the Orient, one will fight for a long time and peace will be distant. And to the sons of Jeanne, the sons of Luther will be substituted. But all will be defeated.

On the Celestial Land, a single winner, with thought, with the action, with speech. Through him, a new order of things will come to the world.

The sons of Luther are fighting around the world.

Israel resurfaces and triumphs. But Islam is no less great and the crescent is divided.

The wrath of the enslavers rages closer now that the distant war is lost. The Great Weapons are all over the world and are the keys to fear.

Europe is divided. A small wall a great shame.

The little Tsar dies, killed out of sight, in his den. But his killers were already partly dead, the others will kill each others.

Look in the waters of the Neva.

Civilized Occident, trampled, heads in rows, enslaved peoples. You are persecuted Christians, the Mother of Silence does not die. Who lost the war, wins it today.

On Jeanne’s Land, shots at the Cross of Lorraine [De Gaule]. Not far away, the second Elisabeth witnesses the collapse of what the first one built. Today the sea is short and the force is farther away.

The war is in man, now.

Nuremberg the unfair. The assassins are absent. Some of them in the seats of the judges.

This shadow spreads far.


"Men and gun shots. In Europe Heads of states and opponents. Someone will fall.

Seven widows are ready at the altar, they expect the spouses.

South of Luther unrest, weapons and nations screaming. The son of the Sun will go away several times. But here Mammon commands and God is only in words.

The man with no hair, the farmer, smiled to the Orient. But his smile is a grin, because many suffer and die because of him. He befell the giant, but he will remain small. [Khrushchev]

A family of dictators takes power in the land of the son of Luther. It will shed blood. Then Noah will begin to build the ultimate Arch. But she will not know the waters, thanks to the word of he who we do not know but who scares the powerful when he comes down the mountain.

The President will fall, fall will his brother. Between them the corpse of the innocent star. [Marylin]

There are some who know. Ask the first black widow and the man who will lead her to the altar on the island. [Jackie + Onassis, Scorpio island]

Their secrets are in weapons, in crime. And those are the secrets of the one who was not at Nuremberg.

Three will shoot the president. The third one will be among the three who will hit the second.

Luther will die and that will be good. Behind him, the shadow of whom has already killed. His voice was lying.

The world knows no flowers.


"The two red leaders meet, on behalf of humanity.

On the Celestial Land there is the voice of the one who loves the world and speak for the weak.

The little man uses force, he kills the spring [Prague]. And those who follow him always will.

We speak of false peace, but the weapons will always be hidden.

Men will fly in the sky, and men will get enthusiastic. They should tremble, because it is evil that conquered the skies to strike the earth.

God has fled, they say. God is dead. He hid himself in the heart of youth. And he will return to vanquish, when cities and lands will burn themselves, to give back value to life. It will come from the earth to destroy the concrete.

Israel who suffers and struggles, no less than that which gives you the attack and knows not how to share your pain. You are brothers, someone pushes you to fight by keeping hidden. Here the fate of the world is being decided.

And in the palace where the States embrace, the fugitive from the den is alive and well. From the palace, hatred for Israel. And it will be a sign of ruin.

Man who has climbed to the moon, look at yourself now that you possess it, but reflected in a mud that’s apparent.

Clashes between two youths. The silent one will defeat and time is on faith’s side.

Around the shuddering world, winds hot and cold, social storms. Blood under Luther, blood on the usurped Catholic land, in neighboring countries.


"Great Flash in the Orient. You will not hear the thunder, it too will be unexpected.
This will happen when in the Orient a leader will die and in the West, a leader will be killed. South of Luther.

Refuse the assassins who will turn themselves in, refuse those who will be presented. The murderers are in Europe. They want the Mediterranean Sea. Then there will be the murder with no assassin.

The time has nurtured a troubled spirit, in the shadow of the red and black cross, unbeknownst to all, daughter of the fugitives from Nuremberg.

She hatched the crime against herself. There are those who renounce life, for the love of evil.

The earth will approach a massacre. One will die for all and he was the best.

This is not the time for a king, it has never been.

Since Frederick's death, each king is an usurper. Let the king go, remains the people.

Europe is thirsty, she will get blood in the streets. But also large processions and the Virgin, happy, will come down to earth. You will not see her in the cave, but in a heart that will revive. From the darkness, she will bring the word that everyone will understand.

It is the letters’ time.


"Alexandria is the land of the Council of the world and here are gathering those who believe in man.

Christ is man because God. Getting ready for the great struggle of spirit against the one who denies it.

You, Marcus, you won’t be able to do anything from afar and you won’t know how to divide, your knife is light but too slender. The light from the peace meeting is reflected, recognizes it, shreds it to pieces.

Israel in these days finds a new land around the city with golden roofs. It is time to wash the blood of your children. Israel rushes into the city and saves it. Finally, the star has six points.

The lone man on the banks of the Neva speaks to the world and kills himself. God will have mercy on him, who created him for this moment. His words will be collected, they will be rosary.

And others near the Neva will kill. Today, intact out of the river, finally, the never found body of the holy monk. And his secret sons, praying in the sepulcher, will count themselves. They will look toward the city of golden roofs and their prophet, dead in the Neva, the final word on his lips, will be heard wherever the flag is red


"At the azure Orient, a new sun, on the antique and azure earth will be discovered the tomb of the first emperor chosen from the humble. Chants will rise and people celebrating, celebration of poverty and joy, will march to the slave lands to free them with love. On the river, many will die but the sentinels of a nearing Day will be eternal.

Man of Boston, nephew of the poet, thanks to you and your dream of derision, the terrible Weapon is harmless. And energy will heal ailments.

At night, the great removal. The two men who thought themselves masters of the world, brought before the tribunal on the largest square in the world, before men of the earth and pursued by those who have rebelled. Scientists condemned by them to slavery through their power, to put their talents at the service of death, will be the accusers.

Then will be the turn of the persecuted. Terrible will be the conviction and Man will find himself in the embrace between science and faith.

The proceedings of the trial will be the poem of the people, and the lyrics are sweet to the lowly, terrible for the arrogant powers.

The dispatched armies stopped at the boundaries of the square and the men-soldiers turned their weapons around. Weapons are defeated that day. Those of the earth, those of the sky.


"From the South against Luther and the heirs of Nuremberg, those who were missing, those who sat on the seat of the judges.

She, who was the slave colony of copper and salt, imposes her popular command.

And a saint arrives in the White City to tell high, to tell truth. Behind him, bare-chested, the humble who will bring justice to the land of Luther, yesterday torn.

The western lands that had rebelled, their men locked in concrete among the palm trees, had fought.

Luther had two leaders, enemies and divided. On the other side of the small river, the command of the people and the order to yield to the people who today have the power of speech, now that the weapons are dead.

Luther will experience struggles, reconciliations, and then one voice only, the highest, the one already uttered. And under the statue of the first sainte, the charter of love will be signed.

On the lakes, he who hates is waiting, wants to kill and dares not.

Today only ends Nuremberg.

But beware of the face that’s smiling, and comes from the South, further south than all. His heart was always in the North, he came back to take it back with the black brothers.

There is still fear, but in peace, all the men from upper and lower Luther will seek someone. And the day a woman will swear on the restored Bible will be day of peace.


"Luther's wife will be found in the livid dawn at the foot of the wall that divided Berlin.

Nobody knows how she arrived, no one will know how she was killed.

There will be signs on her body and he who will try to speak will be killed in turn, with the same signs.

When the world recognize this face, we say that her life was devoted to vice.
She had left office for the love of Christ, the humble. And instead she was killed by the defect.

Many countries will be shaken, people will revolt. And only one will succeed in speaking, just in time before dying. He will say the names of who killed, it will reveal their secret signs. And the world will rise up against the game of the powerful, secret fraternity of powerful, who prepared the enslavement of peoples.

The few honest leaders will come together, the culprits will be overthrown.

The woman who left the power for Christ will be sanctified. And to build her a monument, the wall will be shot down, united Europe to Europe.

How much blood to justice. But only blood can water the new flowers.
Peace to you, Patricia, daughter of God.


"Through seven, worldwide from Greece, after the vision. And the new words will conquer the earth.

Repeated by Christ. Repeated for his new children. This will be the moment of awakening and great songs.

Parchment rolls will be found in the Azores and talk about ancient civilizations that will teach men of ancient things unknown to them. Death will be distant and pain small.

Things of the earth, through the rolls, will speak of heavenly things to men.

Ever growing in numbers, signs. The lights in the sky will be red, blue, green, fast. They will increase.

Someone comes from afar, wants to meet men of the earth.

There has already been meetings. But who has really seen kept silent.

If a star goes out, it is already dead. But the light that approaches is someone who is dead and who is returning.

In the maps of the underground iron tunnel of Wherner, still secret, the answer, uncovered.

The time is not the one we know, we have brothers living, brothers dead.
We are ourselves, time troubles us.

Welcome Arthur, child of the past. You will be the proof. And you will meet the Father of the Mother.


"This is the time of the two emperors.

And the Mother does not have a Father, because many want to be her father. And two will be supported by the opponents.

The screams and the barriers of dispute arise, but already the Beast is getting out of the water.

And famine stop armies.

The men count themselves dying.

And after the famine,the plague.

God has unleashed the war of nature to prevent the war of men.

The first emperor dies of starvation, imprisoned in the tower of his dreams.

The second emperor in the desert, attacked by the animals of the plague, unknown.

The daughter of Cain has gone up North, to preach. Lust in the new Babylon, for seven years.

The seventh year falls the seventh veil of Salome, but there is no Emperor, there is no one that will lift the sword and cut the neck of John.

The time is near."


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Many of the above seem to overlap and are not necessarily in a time sequence, just in chapters' sequence in Pier Carpi's book.

In any case, interesting "visions" and views from a future pope.

[araucaria]

Oh dear, poor Greece!

[Chester]

and this thread is dying on page 33 perhaps?

[AnthonyBacala]

Posted by justoneman (here)
and this thread is dying on page 33 perhaps?

I am sorry for my lengthy post, Justone, as I did not mean for it to derail the purpose of this thread. Before it derails, we should all work to get it back on track, serving its original purpose and intent. I will refrain from posting unrelated material, in hopes that others will do the same. This thread, in particular, has great potential to work as a solutions thread. I do believe it is leading up to this.

[Chester]

Posted by AnthonyBacala (here)

Posted by justoneman (here)
and this thread is dying on page 33 perhaps?

I am sorry for my lengthy post, Justone, as I did not mean for it to derail the purpose of this thread. Before it derails, we should all work to get it back on track, serving its original purpose and intent. I will refrain from posting unrelated material, in hopes that others will do the same. This thread, in particular, has great potential to work as a solutions thread. I do believe it is leading up to this.

Ohhh man... no no no - was not meant at your post - it is just that in a way we ALL sort of drifted here - especially me.

I love your posts, Anthony, and loved that long Wizard of Oz post! haha.

I was reacting to this above...

"Twenty centuries plus the savior's age"(which many interpret as being 2033)

and one and two pages before -

Quote Posted by Rocky_Shorz -
synchronisity of 33

and

well I know it is a dirty word around here, but Charles talked about the 33 controllers planning on leaving in a triangular craft, now mentioned in this thread was a nuclear powered UFO...

Your Friend - Chester

And to keep it all in one post and bring it back to this thread... coming to terms with a "possibility" such that Bill put forth and knowing there is really not a darn thing I can do about it if indeed something like this turns out to be true and happens

...and then considering to myself, how shall I live out the rest of my limited days? How then shall I intervene or not in the lives of my sons... to make them aware of this possibility because I think that if they realize this may really happen, they might be able to make peace with themselves first (as I have now done) - and do I have that right to impose that on my sons (or anyone for that matter) - and is it for me to suggest someone else even needs to do that? Needs to know, even if I knew for certain 100% the sun was going to blow up (well, big burp at Earth)?

And my wife, my Colombiana... she is so happy in her world and has no clue of this possibility... I can't even bring myself to suggest it to her.

And so when I ask myself all these sorts of questions, I just move into that strange sense of singularity... a non dual reality... not even the observer - not even nothing...

and then something snaps me out of it - and though I have made such wise posts about transcending the us and them, I always get pulled back into the fray (always joining "us" of course! and always fighting against "them"!)

Which is right? Transcend? or Get Involved? Be a Zen Buddhist? or risk becoming a Drake?

http://www.lifeartsmedia.com/tim-fre...m_medium=email

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[ghostrider]

the meek shall inherit the earth. hmmmm?? somebody knew the end at the begining. hmmm ?? chance ? coincidence ? fate ? if you wrote of the history you lived and buried it on earth right now and someone dug it up 10,000 years from now , what would they believe ??? maybe calamity is why the ancients always carved their words on stone for long preservation ... no matter what unfolds someone will read this and maybe put the puzzle together again and again ..... I'm beging to think we should do this , for future generations. you know , the danger of giving away your power , polluting the earth, living out of balance with nature . etc. they will only know what we leave behind ... our history , right now, they will need it, maybe it will stop the cycle of madness and control , and war...... take your universal truth , carve it on a stone, bury it in your backyard, date it ,, I think it would be the greatest gift we could leave those who will follow us on the journey called EARTH..... one day WE will be the ancients.... long live avalon !

[goinghome2012]

Posted by Operator (here)
Hi Bill,

I was wondering what your take is on princess Kaoru Nakamaru in general and her statement about elite trying to escape this planet in particular.

Here's the video again where she makes the statement (minute 1:30 - 2:30 is the relevant part).

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=PAiv1L1J1H4

Is she just repeating mis/dis-information ?

I believe she is correct, three days of darkness or passing into the void to another dimension, the end of this Iron Age and the beginning of another Golden age that will last over two thousand years. A solar event will happen in order to bring in an enlightenment consciousness,

that is why the control freaks want to leave this planet, it is end game for them.

spread the peace and love

[steveofengland]

Whilst listening to BBC radio 2 today, there was a piece on Colin fishwick who has started "his own bank" and while everyone was congratulating him for getting one over on the big banks, they read out a press release from square mile magazine, which had its yearly bash for banksters.
It read.
"Despite the dismal financial outlook, Square Mile magazine held their annual Summer Party on Friday July 13 for 1,000 City bankers.

For over seven years Square Mile magazine has been the voice of the City; a luxury lifestyle magazine for finance professionals and an essential read for those working in and around the Square Mile.

Friday 13 saw over 1,000 finance professionals from banks such as UBS, Barclays and Citigroup descend on McQueen bar & club in the heart of Shoreditch for the annual Square Mile Summer Party.

Guests were entertained by the all-girl dance troupe, Girls Roc, fire-breathing strippers, snake dancers and sword swallowers.

The army of suited bankers were treated to free drinks laid on my Square Mile including bottles of Iceberg Vodka and Louis Roederer champagne.

A retreat was offered in the form of a chill out room sponsored by Small Luxury Hotels of the world with Ibiza Angels massage girls offering their service to tired bankers.

'We're known for throwing the most lavish parties for the banking industry' says Head of PR for Square Mile magazine 'and this year was no exception'.

The special guest of the evening was none other than ex-Goldman Sachs trader and star of the BBC's "Million Dollar Trader's", Anton Kreil. Anton, the star of the new issue of Square Mile magazine is set to become the first person in history to make a financial markets transaction from space, when he hops aboard the XCOR Lynx MKII shuttle with the Space Expedition Corporation (SXC) in 2014.

Arriving in a blacked out Mercedes with a team of astronauts in tow, Anton dressed in his flight suit and mirrored sunglasses was surrounded by photographers and adoring women before being briskly whisked inside to his VIP table by a member of the Square Mile team"

Telegraph source http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/c...mer-party.html

Meanwhile they wheel out a banker of let's say older years, who condemns the whole thing, hmmm. But what struck me was a comment about Anton kreil's space claims.
Saying "I don't care if he's going to the moon, he shouldn't be acting like this"

Scripted carefully planned condemnation?

Then follows a song shortly after "one way ticket to the moon"

"One ex-Goldman Sachs trader is hoping his trade takes off, quite literally.
Prolific trader Anton Kreil announced Tuesday he plans to break a new financial frontier by becoming the first person to make a financial trade in space, according to a press release from space tourism company Space Expedition Corporation who'll operate the flight (h/t The New York Times).
Kreil, who by age 26 rose to Vice President of European Equities at JPMorgan Chase, told London-based publication Square Mile Magazine that he's aiming to set the record for "First Financial Transaction in Space” and “Highest Recorded Financial Transaction” at 1 kilometer above sea level, the internationally recognized border with space.
If he accomplishes his goal, Kreil may be the first to make money in space, but he wouldn't be the first to make money off it. Space tourism is such a booming industry that it even has its own index, NewSpace Global, according to CNBC. Expected to be a $1 billion industry over the next 10 years, notable businessmen such as Virgin’s Richard Branson and PayPal’s Elon Musk are developing space tourism companies. Ashton Kutcher is currently the 500th scheduled passenger to one day ride on Branson’s Virgin Galactic after buying a ticket for $200,000 earlier this year.
Other investors are looking to make money off space in a different way: Asteroid mining. Billionaires including Google’s Larry Page, Microsoft's Charles Simonyi, and Ross Perot Jr. are initial investors in a project to mine asteroids for precious minerals and water, according to Huliq.
Still, whether Kreil accomplishes his goal remains up in the air. Venture capitalist Alan Walton recently asked for a refund for his space flight ticket once he became too old to travel to space after waiting for seven years"

Source http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mobile...p_ref=business
The above article opens its very can of worms to sift through.

[observer]

Hi Bill, and a note to all members,

Forgive me if this point has already been expressed somewhere else within this thread. I simply don't have the time to review 33 pages of comments.

While reading your OP, I immediately flashed on the research of those like Dr. Joseph Farrell, Peter Levenda, Jim Marrs, and others whom you have interviewed in the past.

It was your interviews that led me to seek-out the work of, especially, those mentioned.

Anyone familiar with these individual's work on what the Nazis were up to, before, and during the Second World War will realize the physics those Nazi Scientists were working with was the basis for what the above mentioned authors refer to as a "break-away" society.

The very science that was foundational for this 'break-away' civilization to even be considered is well documented in the work of these researchers.

[Hawkwind]

I hadn’t been following this thread on a day to day basis after I made my initial post here on June 30th. It didn’t strike me as a direction I wanted my consciousness to go. For the most part, it still doesn’t, although quite a bit of quality food for thought did indeed arise over the course of this discussion. After Bill cited this as one of the two most worthwhile threads in the forum, I decided to give it another look. It took me a full week to wade through, as I could only digest the information a few pages at a time without going into irritated/headached overload mode. I finally managed to bring myself up to date today, and here are my comments and conclusions at this point in the journey.

From my perspective, “I think, therefore I am.” is pretty much the limit of what can be know with absolute certainty on a left brain intellectual logic level. That isn’t to say that scientific investigation of a subject is futile. The computer I’m using to compose this message and the internet which will carry it wouldn’t exist without the centuries long accumulation of scientific knowledge. When it comes to predicting the future of life on Earth, however, intellectual analysis alone falls far short of arriving at reliable conclusions. There are just too many unknowns in the equation.

What my intuitive right brain tells me is first and foremost relax, everything will be alright. You incarnated on this planet at this time for a reason. Part of that reason is to learn, and part of that learning is to cultivate a calm mind and a loving heart.



So, are the elite planning to leave the planet? Dunno. Bon voyage, if they are. They may succeed in escaping solar flares, tsunamis and the like, but there’s no escaping karma, mates.

Is the Earth about to be sacrificed to the Dark Side? Dunno. Physical reality has been likened to a video game in several posts on this thread. I find that a very apropos analogy. “The Eternal Struggle Between Good and Evil” was the top rated game at Godicon Eternity, if I remember correctly. Of course, in order to make the game more interesting, each individuated soul forgets their true nature as an immortal being while playing. Also, to keep the game interesting, forces of good and evil are equally matched and have equal chance of acheiving their objectives. I’ve chosen to play on the side of Good/Light/Love/STO (whatever) this time around. Part of that entails exemplifying those values in my daily life. Part of it entails opposing the contrary forces to the best of my ability. I will eventually die one way or another. How I die doesn’t really much matter. How I live does. It seems to me those same principles apply to each of us individually and to the planet itself.

It has been suggested by several people whom I respect, including Bill, that fighting (presumably meaning the use of physical violence against) evil is counter-productive. Bill’s words were that it only creates more karma and keeps the game going. At least at this point in my development, I really don’t see it that way. If some of the cells of my body becoming cancerous, my fist course of action would be to try and restore them to a healthy state. Should that therapy fail, however, my next recourse would be to attempt to prevent the spread of the disease. If that too fails, isn’t surgically removing the cancerous tissue a karmically correct course of action?

[Bill Ryan]

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http://www.afterdisclosure.com/2011/04/breakaway.html


A Breakaway Civilization: What It Is, and What It Means for Us

A Special Analysis By Richard M. Dolan, April 2011



Our Classified World

Since the time of Pericles, defenders of human freedom have promoted the virtues of open debate within society, and for the full freedom of citizens to investigate their government and world. Whether in a household, a classroom, or a nation, a free flow of critically examined and openly discussed ideas gives us our best chance for intellectual growth and personal achievement.

The legendary physicist, Robert J. Oppenheimer, put the matter succinctly. “There must be no barriers for freedom of inquiry,” wrote the man who led the Manhattan Project. “There is no place for dogma in science. The scientist is free, and must be free to ask any question, to doubt any assertion, to seek for any evidence, to correct any errors.”



Oppenheimer, a man of conscience and intellect who straddled the worlds of free inquiry and national security, was in a good position to understand the deep meaning of his words.

And yet, despite the wonders of the Web, our world is not one in which free inquiry is the rule. It is a world in which our reality is polished and tinted on a daily basis by global power interests, and in which much of what really goes on is classified.

Consider. The Library of Congress adds roughly 60 million pages to its holdings each year, a huge cache of information for the public. However, also each year, the U.S. Government classifies nearly ten times that amount – an estimated 560 million pages of documents. For scholars engaged in political, historical, scientific, or any other archival work, the grim reality is that most of their government’s activities are secret.



What’s especially galling is that the nature of modern scientific and academic work enable such secrecy to thrive. This belies what they are supposed to do, at least according to the proponents of an open society.

One reason for this unhappy situation is simply how science operates. All scientific and academic inquiry is predicated upon being able to work from open and fully accessible sources. As Oppenheimer understood, scientific research must be available for examination by outsiders. The word for this is falsifiability. It’s an important concept in science. If you lack the chance to “falsify” a proposition – that is, to prove it wrong – then it’s not valid. It may in fact be true, but philosophically speaking, it’s not valid.

The enormous volume of classified material means that most of the activities of the U.S. government (and we can assume most other governments and major entities) are impossible to verify one way or another. Because nearly all scientists and academicians are confined to public sources for their research, we end up with a version of reality that excludes the world of secrecy.

Certainly, the track record of scientists and university scholars in the last century bears out the claim that they are ill-suited to exposing runaway secrecy. For they have done so little of it.

To be sure, journalists have fared better. But, really, not much better. These days, most journalists fit the same mold as their colleagues in the laboratories and ivory towers. They work for large organizations with a definite hierarchy, they are given narrowly defined guidelines within which to work, and they usually follow someone else’s agenda.

Those few who try to expose the world of secrecy face the problem of using sources that are not always open, not always falsifiable. That is, by using leaks, by corroborating multiple sources that may hint of something -- but do not always confirm. To say nothing of the professional pressures and even censure they often face for doing their work.

And that, my friends, is one reason why secrecy has always been, and will always continue to be, a prerogative of the powerful.

The Trail of Secrecy

The world of secrecy has run away from us, beyond the ability of free citizens to examine and critique. When we trace the evolution of this secrecy, we find it hard to pinpoint just when things turned south. This has been going on for a long time. Modern secrecy is a not-so-surprising outgrowth of our bureaucratic world, a development in all likelihood discussed a century ago by the great Max Weber (although I admit that my once-honed skills as a Weberian are a bit dulled nowadays, I suspect the Great One had a few things to say on this).

Still, there are certain moments that accelerated the process. When in doubt, always look to the wars. In the 20th century, the two world wars were obviously important in creating the massive state secrecy machines that envelop our world today. Enormous intelligence communities were created during those engagements, and once created, such things have a nasty habit of sticking around.

But students of secrecy frequently overlook one of the most important creators of our black-budget world. That is the UFO phenomenon.

Spend any amount of time on this issue, and the UFO-connection becomes self-evident. Imagine yourself as the American President following the Second World War. Your nation has just emerged victorious from the most titanic struggle in human history. Although you now lead the greatest military and economic power on the planet, the war has exhausted a world that desperately needs to repair itself and get on with the process of living.

In this context, you learn that there are “others” who are here. Others with capabilities vastly beyond anything your scientists can fathom. This is because, starting in the 1940s and continuing to our present day, U.S. and other military agencies have been tracking and attempting to intercept aerial objects of extraordinary capabilities and unknown origin. Moreover, in all likelihood, you learn something else: not only are “they” are here, but your military has recovered some of their technology. [Those wanting more information can review my two volumes of history, which document this story. For a short review of some key UFO documents, see here].

Forget Orson Wells and the panic of 1938 – panic might well be happening among the intelligentsia that manage the country and the world.

What would you do?

Well, one thing you would not do is tell the world. You would need information first. Who are these beings? Do we have anything to worry about? What can we learn from their technology and science? How do we keep this from our enemies (e.g. the Soviet Union)? How bad might public panic be? All the logical questions.

You would organize your best people and have them create the groups and protocols to study and control this information. You might have them conduct a preliminary study to decide what the best course of action should be.

You also could not tell Congress, no matter how unconstitutional that might be. Plain and simple, Congress would not keep the secret. For the time being at any rate Congress must not know, so you would reason.

Still, if you want scientists to study the technology, if you want the loyal cooperation of key insiders to maintain the secret, if you want a permanent infrastructure to deal with the ongoing challenge posed by these other beings -- if you want all of these things and countless others associated with managing this problem -- then you would need money, ultimately a great deal of it. This would not be cheap, not at all. And the appropriations would have to remain secret.

Thus, the UFO phenomenon, which fell into the lap of the U.S. national security establishment right after the Second World War, was one of the key instigators of what we now call the black budget.

The black budget, however, turned out to be only the beginning of the secrecy problem.

What makes a civilization?

At heart and by training, I am a historian. Every so often, a particular question arises in my mind. While admittedly of limited practical value, and certainly not something that most professional historians write about, I find it intriguing to ponder.

What constitutes a distinct civilization?

Definitely one of the broader and more difficult questions. Still, I think that we basically have a feel for the matter. We know that colonial America was part of a different civilization from, say, that of 6th century Byzantium during the reign of Justinian. Or that we today, despite living in a world that owes much to the legacy of the western Europeans of the last few centuries, nevertheless live in a world that Voltaire could scarcely have dreamed of.

To answer the question, we need to consider several factors. Of obvious importance would be the level of science and types of technology it uses, how its members organize among themselves, the coherency and independence of its infrastructure. Then there is the life of the mind: how do the people tend to view themselves and their place in the cosmos? It seems to me that these questions give us a good start toward shedding light on the matter.

One of humanity’s great themes of the past five centuries is our ever-greater connectedness -- the slow but steady merging of civilizations. Globalization did not start with the Rockefellers, Rothschildes, Bilderberg Group, or Illuminati. It has been, first and foremost, an inexorable, unrelenting process of technology and economics; the politics are secondary. Since at least the voyages of Columbus and Magellan, it has been binding all of humanity together. Now, in an age of borderless electronic transactions, cellphones, Google, Skype, Facebook, and Youtube, this process – although not quite complete – has shifted into the highest gear.



I would never presume, a la Toynbee, to list every distinct civilization that has appeared on Earth in the course of human history. For my purposes, I only ask this question:

Given that our world appears to be moving toward (an admittedly incomplete) merging of civilizations, is it possible that something might yet buck that trend? Moreover, that such a thing might happen secretly?

Before dismissing such speculation out of hand, consider that even within the past century, our world has seen examples of large infrastructures that were, if not wholly secret, at least fairly isolated from each other and highly secretive. Consider the example of the Cold War. While the U.S. and Soviet Union were not truly distinct civilizations, many people at the time did see it that way. The two societies had a high degree of autonomy from each other. The economic infrastructures were separate to a remarkable degree. Within the life of the mind, they inhabited separate worlds with incompatible ideologies. Secrecy from each other was the basic fact of life. Not only did U.S. and Soviet scientists hide their research from each other, but they sometimes followed entirely different paths, occasionally reaching absurd levels (as when Soviet biologists were forced to regurgitate the fraudulent science of Trofim Lysenko).

But forget the Cold War with its secret and divergent infrastructures. Today, the U.S. maintains a massive secrecy infrastructure, with untold billions (or trillions?) having been siphoned off into it, year after year. In other words, we know that the classified world has an astonishing amount of money and deep secrecy. There is no question of this. What we want to ask is: how advanced is their technology? What key breakthroughs might they have learned?

By way of illustration, I will relate something told to me by a scientist formerly with the National Security Agency. During a private conversation, he told me that at least some computers within the NSA were running at a clock speed of 650 MHz during the mid-1960s. Today, of course, that’s well below the speed of an entry-level PC desktop computer. Keep in mind, however, that this speed was not matched by the consumer market until around the year 2000, a difference of 35 years. Indeed, there were no consumer-market computers in 1965!

Also recall that in 1965, the NSA was only just barely being discussed by the public. Its very existence had been classified at its creation in 1952, and its name was mentioned for the first time, vaguely and in passing, in a 1957 government manual. Only in 1964 was it subject to (a very partial) discussion in a published book. In other words, the NSA had the most advanced computing capabilities in the world, and almost nobody in the world even knew it existed.



Now ask yourself, given (a) great secrecy, (b) great amounts of money, (c) several decades, (d) enough genius-level scientists working for you, and (e) extraterrestrial or alien technology to study, is it possible for key breakthroughs to be made without the rest of the world ever learning of them? Breakthroughs so substantial that they create new areas of scientific study, new technologies, new capabilities, new interactions with these “others,” and as a result a radically new understanding of humanity itself and the cosmos within which we live?

Would such changes result in a clandestine world so different that it might qualify as a separate civilization? One that has broken away from our own?

I think the answer to that is yes.

How the classified world broke away

Let’s now return to UFOs, and build the most likely scenario based on what we know.



One thing is for certain: some agency or group has been operating aerial vehicles that are well beyond the capabilities of any known aircraft. Military jets of the U.S. and other nations have chased them. They do not resemble known types of vehicles. They have sometimes invaded sensitive airspace.

Whether these UFOs are “ours” or “theirs,” it means that an advanced and secret infrastructure must exist in order to account for them, and advanced concepts in physics are being applied by someone.

In addition, there is a strong likelihood that several UFOs have been recovered by military units. This is based on several specific accounts (most famously Roswell but many others), as well as on unconfirmed (but plentiful) statements by military personnel who have quietly relayed their knowledge to researchers. These include descriptions of extraterrestrial bodies being examined, flying saucers being studied and replicated, and a wide range of space-based activity that points to a secret space program.

If, as I believe, some claims of recovered UFOs are true, it would mean there has been a program to study and replicate them. How could it be otherwise? No agency with a crashed or otherwise downed UFO would simply sit on its hands for sixty years, looking at it.

No, it would do everything possible to understand it, no matter how far beyond current science it might be. The group that controlled it would keep it secret at all cost, beneath many layers of deception and deniability. That much is clear. But what would happen next?



At some point, we must assume, breakthroughs of understanding would occur, even if the alien artifacts could not be duplicated. Buried within the protection of a largely privatized national security structure, who can really trace definitively the stories behind some of the key patents of the Cold War? I think a number of developments relating to solid-state electronics, fiber optics, and other useful technologies could well have been inspired by studying exotic freebees.

Such breakthroughs mean attractive ground floor investments, handsome profits, and less-than-zero motivation for revealing the “goose that lays golden eggs.” But let us take the scenario even further. What if even greater breakthroughs of understanding were achieved? A better source of energy, a functioning electro-gravitic propulsion system, or a biotechnology that eliminates certain diseases?

I have no doubt that breakthroughs of that sort would be blocked from reaching the outside world. A new source of energy, especially if it were “free” or nearly so, would demolish the petroleum industry, while certain biotech developments would threaten Big Pharma. These are two of the largest industries in the world.

Major breakthroughs would also threaten to destabilize society and challenge the structure of power. Cheap and portable energy, as implied by flying saucers, would revolutionize our world so completely that no one can truly fathom what the world would look like once it became available. The same can be said for technologies that might enable people to live for 150 years or longer.

But just because certain discoveries and inventions would be kept secret, study on them would not cease. We have seen that by the mid-1960s, the highly secretive NSA had amazingly advanced computing technology for its time; is it possible that breakthroughs in field propulsion were made by the 1960s if not earlier? Such have been the claims of several leaks and rumors over the years. If so, then we would conceivably have had a small flying saucer fleet at some point thereafter.

With a secret fleet of vehicles utilizing field propulsion and able to explore beyond Earth’s orbit, it is easy to see how the cadre of people involved in such a program would develop new vistas of experience and imagination.

Such a group would continue to be funded secretly and covertly by a combination of public and private funds. In effect, it would constitute an invisible empire, with technology superior to the rest of the world, able to explore areas of our world unavailable to the rest of us. It would probably have a significant built infrastructure, possibly underground and “off the grid” in important ways. It might even have interactions or encounters with non-human intelligences behind the UFO phenomenon. Most certainly it would be concerned somehow with managing the problem of “others” here on Planet Earth. All of the above would indicate that the group members would have deeper scientific and cosmological insights.

Yes, this might qualify them as a separate, “breakaway,” civilization.

Such a group would have great independence from the established system of power and control, although I would doubt its members would live in a completely separate environment all the time, like some Alternative 3 scenario. Most likely they would need to work in “our” world, if for no other reason than that Earth is where the action is. They would probably move back and forth between the realities of their deeply classified world and the official reality that the rest of us inhabit. Undoubtedly not an easy life.

What are they doing? What is the end game?

Americans of my generation and earlier were taught that they lived in a free country. We elected our leaders, and if they didn’t please us, we could vote them out and elect someone else. Government was responsible to the people. Secrets and crimes occurred, of course, but as long as the system worked, the wrongdoers could be exposed and brought to justice.

Most people now recognize this belief for the idealized fantasy that it is. One of the key components of a free society is freedom of information, and to a large extent that system within the U.S. has broken down. In my own research and meanderings down the road of secrecy, I have come across a few names that inhabit this deeply clandestine world. One of them, in my opinion at least, ought to be famous by virtue of his career, which was at the highest levels of NORAD. By rights, several other names I have encountered should also be famous. Who knows, perhaps one day they will be. But today, none of them yield a single hit on any web search. As far as anyone would know, they simply don’t exist.

Of course, that’s an old story for those who work in the cloak and dagger world of intelligence, but I think it is especially true for members of the breakaway civilization. Learning about them and their world, therefore, is likely never going to happen until the truth about UFO reality is itself exposed – which it will be one day – and relevant information is forced out by public action. Meanwhile, I speculate about the lives lived by members of this world.

Ask yourself, if it were learned that multiple groups of “others” were here who possessed extraordinary capabilities, had a deep understanding of our world, and were driven by as-yet unknown or unconfirmed agendas, how would the classified world respond?

What follows derives from a combination of logic and confidential conversations I have had in the course of my journeys into this field, as well as discussions with a few other researchers who are also uncovering the same general scenario. Quietly, we are doing what we can to help each other and learn more about all this.

I believe that members of the breakaway civilization are recruited from the militaries of several nations. It appears that the U.S. Navy is a key provider of personnel. But wherever they come from, they work under deep cover, below many layers of deniability. Those of them who have families give no hint to their spouses and children what they really do, which is to monitor and somehow deal with the presence of these other beings. Obviously, these people are lifers. Even after they retire, they are never truly out.

Their interests include not simply advanced propulsion and weaponry, although these are important. My best guess is that other areas include several that are off-limits to respectable science: psi enhancement, memory management, and space-time management. It seems to me that at least some people who are said to be “military abductees” have been taken and used in this manner – but clearly not by the standard military branches. No, this is an operation courtesy of our “breakaway” group, which works with military cover. Such actions are necessary from their point of view, as they know that these “others” operate in a way that can affect space-time reality. They might therefore decide that they need their own cadre to “see” and affect things across space and time.

The breakaway civilization is probably not unified. Certainly, rivalries and competition abound within the U.S. and global intelligence scene. It is probably no different here, and there is no reason to suppose that the original incarnation of “MJ-12” is the only game in town. Within the sprawling U.S. intelligence structure are many opportunities for rogue, or at least divergent, groups. I believe this applies to the breakaway civilization, and the logic is certainly there. The prize, after all, is substantial: knowledge of the most advanced technologies and scientific concepts imaginable. The same diversity, incidentally, seems to apply to the “others.” These beings may not all cooperate with each other, but whether or not there are active hostilities among them I have no idea.

My supposition is based on a combination of the known facts and the additional scraps that have reached me. If I am right, then a web of attitudes and alliances exists behind the scenes. In such a situation, having an accurate scorecard would be quite valuable. Still, I must emphasize I cannot prove this scenario at the present time. I consider it a working theory.

I should think that members of the breakaway civilization might despair of ever educating the rest of humanity on what is going on. Their own reality is probably so far beyond our own, they may rightfully ask, how can they bring us up to speed without causing a worldwide psychological meltdown?

But as I have felt for some time, neither they nor the “others” are the only game in town. The great variable in the secrecy equation is ourselves. That is, the mainstream human civilization that is currently undergoing the most radical transformation in its history. In a mere century we have gone from a society of horses pulling carts to one of advanced computing and space travel. As I have stated in a number of lectures, most experts in the field of artificial intelligence believe we are a mere generation away from the day when your computer will be talking to you, claiming to be a conscious entity. You may well accept that claim. Then there is the future of nanotech, biotech, and quantum computing. Just as Voltaire would not recognize our world today, we can scarcely imagine the world that will exist a mere half-century from now.

Unless it falls off the rails, this train has an inevitable destination: one in which we prove openly and for certain that the UFO phenomenon is real and that there are other intelligences involved in it.

Nothing worth achieving is ever easy. Yet, one day, humanity will pry open its prison door. That will be a joyous day, but also bittersweet -- for we will realize that the struggle for truth has not ended. New truths will need to be fought for and won. It is the price we must inevitably pay for having lived so long beneath the heavy burden of such pervasive falsehoods.

Only then will we begin the long process of reintegrating all of humanity into the light of day. And only then -- finally then -- can we fully rise to the challenges posed, for better or for worse, by these other beings.

[Carmody]

how can they bring us up to speed without causing a worldwide psychological meltdown?

It is also the absolute and all encompassing, life encompassing all facet encompassing level of anger, hatred and total disgust, backed by a desire to be extremely physical in a response to such hidden empires.

The level of loss and shifted life felt by every human being who comes into such a scenario of knowing.... is on a such a level that the person who encounters it cannot even hope to understand the sheer level and scope of the anger directed toward this hidden group.

Think of it, nearly 7 billion people in a mood and space where.. when it dawns on them, the true understanding of scope of this fraud .....and how much it has turned their lives from where it could have been... the level of anger and loss they will feel will be totally outside of anyone's capacity to comprehend.

THAT, more than anything, is the problem that has been built into this insanity of suppression and secrecy. That is what it has brought us to, the edge of that kind of precipice.

[Rocky_Shorz]

so does anyone think, the controllers, the 33 are actually part of the break away group and this is when they are leaving, what would it mean, if suddenly the 1% just flew off, not because anything is going to happen, they are just tired of taking all the blame...

what they leave behind is ours...

what would that mean, how quick could we fill their void?