The Bible

[RedeZra]

Posted by billyji (here)

Posted by RedeZra (here)

Posted by billyji (here)

Posted by RedeZra (here)
elohim does not denote flesh and bone but Spirit (God) spirits (gods) or spirit (god) depending on the verb in the verse

That is not what it says in the Bible Red. Read again using the references this time instead of making things up.

Psalms 82
The ‘gods’ know nothing, they understand nothing.
They walk about in darkness;
all the foundations of the earth are shaken.

6 “I said, ‘You are “gods”;
you are all sons of the Most High.’
7 But you will die like mere mortals;
you will fall like every other ruler.”

the gods or elohim in Psalm 82 are not mere men

but fallen angels who rule the nations


Do you not know that we shall judge angels? How much more, things that pertain to this life? - 1 Cor 6:3

Exactly Red, And Yahweh was one of them.

elohim is just a Hebrew term denoting spirit beings

and so both God and angels are elohim


Yahweh is Spirit but not a mere angel

[RedeZra]

i think it is time for a short synopsis of the Biblical world view


Adam and Eve lived about 6000 years ago and opened the door for the devil to meddle in the affairs of mankind

angels begot big demigods with women who taught us religion or how to properly worship these huge hybrids

God flooded this genetical corruption in about 2400 BC and destroyed everything except those in the Ark


but the problem did not end there

as the devil did not drown


some time after the Deluge the devil used a great-grandson rebel or nimrod of Noah to make war and bind mankind under his will to oppose God

God split humanity into 72 nations and let an angel rule each nation


in about 2000 BC God made contact with a righteous Aramean named Abram

and gave him a new name and a new nation

in where God would be born


to atone for the sins of the world


so some souls might be saved

before the end of the age

when the devil and all evil are confined in the pit


which is the sewer of the universe

[greybeard]

Scientific evidence that all is ONE

Nassim Haramein

Chris

Ps if your short on time go to 65 minutes into the video.


http://vimeo.com/30784674#at=0


Source: Watch on Vimeo

[Lettherebelight]

There are no dates in the Bible, I've read the Bible. These dates that are being quoted, 6000 years ago Adam and Eve etc, the great flood occuring 2000 years ago, are speculation.

[truthseekerdan]

Posted by kreagle (here)
...
"Worship" is Heaven's energizer,......"if" we will "all" just plug in!!!


Love and Peace,..........kreagle

Unconditional love is incapable of asking for anything. It can be defined as a dynamic force that embraces and transforms all things. It is a profound feeling of benevolence in the deepest and most unconditional sense, not as an emotional connection but as an energy that intrinsically unifies the mind and spirit to embrace within its transforming power, the complete spectrum of human experience.

Once we experience an unconditional quality of love directly, it is not contingent upon anything external or separate from our essential self. To know our essential self we must be able to release all negative energy patterns, including fear, into an unconditional quality that will allow us to feel balanced. This is an inner kind of balance that cannot be described; it must be experienced for there is a gap between what we can experience and what can be understood and conveyed in words.

Hosea 6:6

[RedeZra]

Posted by Lettherebelight (here)
There are no dates in the Bible, I've read the Bible. These dates that are being quoted, 6000 years ago Adam and Eve etc, the great flood occuring 2000 years ago, are speculation.

the Bible got a genealogy from Adam to Jesus


with the age at which each patriarch

fathered his named son

and the number of years he lived thereafter


so with a little computing

it is possible to date events in the Bible

[RedeZra]

Posted by truthseekerdan (here)

Unconditional love is incapable of asking for anything.

God got a universe to run


a big organisation with billions of spirits

so to avoid anarchy

God got some rules


rebels don't like rules

outlaws don't like laws


but God do not compromise

obey or die

[truthseekerdan]

Posted by RedeZra (here)

Posted by truthseekerdan (here)

Unconditional love is incapable of asking for anything.

God got a universe to run


a big organisation with billions of spirits

so to avoid anarchy

God got some rules


rebels don't like rules

outlaws don't like laws


but God do not compromise

obey or die

A funny one for you Red here...

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post523748

Much love

[RedeZra]

no i mean it

God do not forgive if we break His laws

unless we repent and sin no more

[RedeZra]

Posted by greybeard (here)
Scientific evidence that all is ONE

science are trying to figure out how God made this universe

without including God in the equation


if only they focused a bit more on the Creator instad of His creation

they could have been somebody

[kreagle]

Posted by truthseekerdan (here)

Posted by kreagle (here)
...
"Worship" is Heaven's energizer,......"if" we will "all" just plug in!!!


Love and Peace,..........kreagle

Unconditional love is incapable of asking for anything. It can be defined as a dynamic force that embraces and transforms all things. It is a profound feeling of benevolence in the deepest and most unconditional sense, not as an emotional connection but as an energy that intrinsically unifies the mind and spirit to embrace within its transforming power, the complete spectrum of human experience.

Once we experience an unconditional quality of love directly, it is not contingent upon anything external or separate from our essential self. To know our essential self we must be able to release all negative energy patterns, including fear, into an unconditional quality that will allow us to feel balanced. This is an inner kind of balance that cannot be described; it must be experienced for there is a gap between what we can experience and what can be understood and conveyed in words.

Hosea 6:6

truthseekerdan,


I am sure that it is extremely frustrating to "attempt" to....."look into and understand",.....various Biblical concepts that are discussed here,....where the topic "worship" currently holds center-stage. As I pointed out on my previous reply to you, it is imperative that one be "filled with the Holy Ghost, God's Spirit", before they will fully understand and appreciate the "role" that worship plays in their life. Regardless of the "intellectual level" one may have achieved in life,....the "degrees" of higher learning you may have hanging on your walls,....the "natural man" will never be able to comprehend what it's all about,.....and His Word confirms that.


1 Corinthians 2:12-14
King James Version (KJV)

12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.

13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.


"This" is the passage you've attempted to use,...in a effort to prove your point


Hosea 6:6
King James Version (KJV)

6 For I desired mercy, and not sacrifice; and the knowledge of God more than burnt offerings.


If you will go back to this passage and continue to read,....truthseekerdan,....you will find that God is chastising the nation of Israel,...especially the tribe of Ephraim,....for backsliding away from Him and indulging in idolatry. In the midst of their great sin,....they even "attempt" to offer up to God "burnt offerings",....to which God rejects.

Notice where this Biblical event takes up..........


Hosea 8:9-14
King James Version (KJV)

9 For they are gone up to Assyria, a wild ass alone by himself: Ephraim hath hired lovers.

10 Yea, though they have hired among the nations, now will I gather them, and they shall sorrow a little for the burden of the king of princes.

11 Because Ephraim hath made many altars to sin, altars shall be unto him to sin.

12 I have written to him the great things of my law, but they were counted as a strange thing.

13 They sacrifice flesh for the sacrifices of mine offerings, and eat it; but the Lord accepteth them not; now will he remember their iniquity, and visit their sins: they shall return to Egypt.

14 For Israel hath forgotten his Maker, and buildeth temples; and Judah hath multiplied fenced cities: but I will send a fire upon his cities, and it shall devour the palaces thereof.



Now, truthseekerdan,...I fully realize that you are endeavoring to "point out" , in your usage of Hosea 6:6,....that it was God's desire for His people to have,...."the knowledge of God",...MORE,.....than burnt offerings!,.........and that you are insinuating the "same parallel" here,.....that God, equally, desires for His people to have,....."the knowledge of God",.......MORE,.....than the display of "worship"!


While this "line of reasoning" may seem perfectly plausible to some,.....it becomes completely problematic when one realizes that at no time did God abolish,....or even suggest,.....to Israel that they discontinue giving Him "burnt offerings". The "key" to this was that God,....still,.....certainly desired for Israel to offer Him the "burnt offerings",.....but "only" with a "clean heart",......not an "idolatrous heart"!!! "Then", only, would their "burnt offerings" be acceptable unto Him!!


(in conclusion)


truthseekerdan,


My own personal level of understanding and accumulated "intellectualism" has led me down many wonderful paths, during my early years. One day I finally arrived at a place, in my life, where my "intellectualism" could not take me any further. I had come upon a "fence" in my pathway that I could not scale with my "intellectual ability". That "fence" had a name that I could not "intellectually understand"! You see, the name of this "fence" was "FAITH"!! I then had to decide whether I was going to "climb over" this "fence of FAITH",......and truly find God,......or stay on the side of the fence I was already on. I also became completely aware of the fact that the "only way" I was going to be able to "scale this particular fence", called FAITH, that it would be necessary for me to "lighten my load",.....for you see I was too "heavy" at the time! My "intellectualism" was making me entirely too "heavy" to scale this "fence of FAITH"! I was going to be forced to "lay my intellectualism down",...."if" I ever had any hope of scaling "this fence of FAITH"!


To me,....it was a "no brainer",......and I did the "smartest thing I could ever possibly do"!


I "laid down my intellectualism",.......and climbed my "fence of FAITH"!!!


From "one intellectual to another",.....I sincerely hope you'll find your "fence of Faith", too!!


"truthseekerdan",.......I sincerely hope you'll become,......."truthfinderdan"!


God Bless and keep you,......your servant,........kreagle

[greybeard]

Hi Kreagle
Having known Dan for some years on line I would say that he has studied the Bible in great depth.
The danger in using only one reference work ie the Bible is that there is no cross check as to validity of all of it.
I have no doubt that some of it is accurate as to the word and actions of Jesus.

As a parallel in order to navigate you can use triangulation to find the true position you occupy.
At least two reference points are used.

Dan has looked at many references-- his name says it all Truth seeker.
Only the Truth will satisfy Dan--- same applies to me.

Many references point to the unconditional---non judgmental-- love of God--- though what you sow you reap.
You determine through your thoughts words and deeds your destination after death not God-- though He will show mercy if asked.
Every sage throughout time speaks of the Love of God.

I believe we are One consciousness evolving.
God did not stop creating after 6 days--- creation and evolution is on going.
We live in an expanding universe.
Science has proven we are in a conscious universe-- every atom alive--- the space, the void, the vacuum-- is alive.
God equals life eternal-- that Magnificence we call God is beyond human understanding--- yet we are God manifest if we but know it.
Jesus said as much.
The enlightened sages say they are form, formless, both, neither and beyond that.
They see their essence is within everything.
Look under a stone and you will find me there--- consciousness--awareness-- which is what we are (in varied levels of spiritual vibration/God essence) is everywhere.--- Sages say enlightened state is formless timeless and non location. Non location is every where.

The Bible is a good starting point and for some may be enough, others use it as a jumping off point.

The ultimate Truth-----Only God is-------One without a second.

With Love
Chris

[RedeZra]

pause for a moment

ponder the grandeur

of this huge universe


suns spinning in space

so many to count


but God has given each a name


He counts the number of the stars; He calls them all by name. - Psalm 147:4



it is perhaps hard to grasp that God can make a universe

but that is natural to the Almighty and just a week's work

[RedeZra]

Posted by greybeard (here)
The ultimate Truth-----Only God is-------One without a second.

sure but God want us to be family ; )

[heyokah]

I'm Going To Go Back There Someday ....

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=ryEjm3k6uY0

Much love to you Red.

heyokah

[RedeZra]

this life on earth

or human experience

is just a test and a trial

to see if we are angel material

[observer]

Posted by kreagle (here)
Click-on forwarding arrow to see content of kreagle's comment #1529.

kreagle, my confused brother,

As a devout Christian you have already accepted the concept that the Bible was divinely inspired through the words of the Prophets. I need not speculate on this assumption, as it is a fundamental point of any Christian's debate.

The possibility that I am suggesting - within the context of my debate, within this thread - is that ALL telepathic thought from an hyperdimensional source is questionable, and most likely tainted with a reptilian agenda - an agenda which I have clearly suggested in the outline found in my comment #1472.

from observers comment #1472:

"From the cumulative evidence, it is my interpretation that we all are fallen, here, into this particular density. We are here to learn how to get back out. We do this over many cycles of incarnations.

Few of us remember our former existence - by design.

None of the Yahwist religions will tell you this Truth - by design.

The evidence will show, there is a Demiurge who feeds on the essence of our soul-matter. The best part of the energies we grow - both negative and positive - are used as food in an hyperdimensional dominion - outside of our three dimensional perceptions.

A 'seed' of our former Soul-Matter is than replanted into another incarnation and sent back to grow more energy as food for those controlling this farming operation - these Elohim of the Old Testament.

This place.... this particular density.... is a soul farm, and the Mass of Humanity is the crop. It's been this way since the Dawn of Man. Humanity was created by this Demiurge.... this Rex Mundi of the Cathar.... for the sole purpose of feeding on energies.... the soul-matter of the crop."

Your replies to me since that #1472 comment have all included passages from the Bible in your disagreement with my suggestions of the real agenda within this particular density.

I addressed that issue in my comment #1512, and yet you continue to ignore the foundational reason for my presence in this thread at all.

from observers comment #1512:

"Where's the evidence to prove the entities who influenced the Bible weren't the same as the Anunnaki of the Sumerians.... or, the Archons of the Nazarene Essenes.... or, the Rex Mundi of the Cathar....or, the benevolent space brothers of the New Age channelers?

What evidence, other than the cleverly manipulated text of the Bible, can you point to prove what I a proposing is not one possible interpretation of the History of Humanity?

It is my interpretation that all these phenomenon - throughout the history of Yahwist religion - has been exactly the same phenomenon.

Without going into the words of this corrupted text, show me evidence that this conclusion is any less informed than any of the personal testimonies one can find throughout the pages of this thread.

All of these testimonies are based on faith.

The interpretation I'm offering is based on evidence."

There is no evidence - outside of Biblical text - that can prove the telepathic thought process of the Biblical Prophets was anything more than EXACTLY the same telepathic thought process of 'channeling', currently awash within the New Age community.... or, the government 'remote viewing' programs.... or, the messages from the Vril Society that so strongly influenced the Nazis.... or, any other similar telepathicly communicated thoughts.

The evidence is clear that something from outside our physical perception is influencing our thoughts.... has ALWAYS been influencing our thoughts since the 'Dawn of Man'.

The thesis I am proposing is that this is all part of a 'Farming Operation'. It is the only logical conclusion one can come to after a review of the entire history of humanity. A review, might I suggest, that none of the members supporting the OP of this thread seem willing to do - regardless of how much evidence is presented.

You simply cannot use the words of the Text in question to proclaim your proof of the validity of that Text. This is not - as you insist - MY rules, it is a fundamental understanding within the rules of debate - it is a logical conclusion.

You are wasting my valuable time.... the valuable time of those seeking answers to the foundational problems within this particular density.... and, you are wasting valuable band width on this forum with this line of reasoning.

It is for this reason, that I would call on the Moderators to close this thread, so that members seeking Real Truth can spend their limited time in pursuit of some FACTUAL answers....

[RedeZra]

preach Christ or perish

now that really narrow things down


but we don't understand

that's because you subscribe to one of the many lies of satan


preach Christ or perish

that is the God given assignment

[observer]

Posted by RedeZra (here)
preach Christ or perish....
[....snip]
"preach Christ or perish

that is the God given assignment"

I strongly protest to the Moderation Team

This theme has been a continuing diatribe in Mr. Zra's comments, i.e. "eternal damnation in a lake of fire", or "damning one's eternal soul to hell", and now, "accept his failed dogma, or die".

This sort of rhetoric is in direct violation of the Forum Rules.

[GCS1103]

Observer-

If you find this thread offensive, why not just stay away from it? I get a lot of interesting perspectives from reading the posts, even yours. Why you would even think that this thread should be closed because your truths are questioned by anyone here, is outrageous. The very freedom of speech that we all want and discuss at avalon is something you wish to take away from those of us who enjoy coming to this thread.

It seems like you are a very angry person from the tone in which you write. I could be wrong, but I get sense that you think those who don't agree with your opinions are not worthy of expressing theirs. That's frightening to me, personally. I don't believe Paul or any of the moderators would close this thread. It's the most non-offensive thread on the forum and would start a very dangerous precedent.