Horus-Ra as the Archontic Alien Parasite: A follow-up interview with Maarit

[Chester]

Posted by wynderer (here)
i also think that this is what the Creator intended -- & that the erect spine & chakras were not intended to lie dormant -- Humans have been deliberately cut off from the Creator/Source

The same creator that created all?

If so, is this the same creator that created the environment within which your above stated scenario could occur?

The environment within which we humans could be deliberately cut off from the same said Creator?

If so, would we have anything to worry about since it's "Our Creator who set all this up?"

What a benevolent "creator" that would be, huh?

Maybe we don't all know all?

Anyways, not my view - just another program I have graduated from.

[RunningDeer]

Not appropriate for thread.

[9eagle9]

Consumption of the flesh of a beast is foundational to remaining locked within the matrix of control.

I know vegetarians who are more locked into the matrix of control than people who eat meat. I know a lot of vegetarians are dumb arses and are much safer in the matrix then if they went into free fall the way you do when a piece of your matrix is removed.

I don't think meat is necessary to LIVING. Amino acids found in meat are necessary for optimal brain function. You can supplement your amino acids but where are they coming from? I know a lot of vegetarians that do not have optimal brain function, their actual chemistry is ...not optimal...he he. And I know vegetarians who are really up to speed on things, and they don't seem to think that flesh is matrix building. Flesh could be considered a bi product of matrix building.

What creates flesh? You can alter the circumstances of one's own. The result of lots of de-programming IS age reduction of the flesh. You actually regress physically. The affects of the matrix are removed from flesh. That is evidential and its demonstrable.

I know a 'bit' about getting out of the matrix and I'm not a vegetarian. This is faulty reasoning and its thoughtform that people can get seduced by for the wrong reasons. . Admittedly I don't eat a great deal of meat...but I'm not a vegetarian...but I'm hardly a person who is consumed by the matrix to the point i don't know it exists or how its replicated.

Now the question remains, where did the importance between blood and flesh become divided. Who made flesh important in a derogatory way. Did the flesh of the animal be developed by other flesh-- a wolf consuming a deer. Does the flesh of an animal harm its own self?

Are animals perhaps more a bit in tune to things, and observe things perception-ally different than people. Like a wolf. Everyone says wolves are very spiritual. They have awareness, powers of perception and a means of socializing that is quite extraordinary. Things many vegetarians don't have. Or people vegetarian or not don't have.

Was that from eating flesh? Wolves are carnivores. How did they develop this extraordinary awareness if flesh keeps one locked in a matrix? Do species have their own matrices...?

In Original CREATION matrix blood is a important component. In artificial matrix replicating the sort the ptb play mud pies with, blood is important. Everything the ptb has done is a replicant of the original creation matrix that really doesn't put much importance on flesh but blood. Who put the emphasis on flesh ....flesh IS permeated by blood.

What permeates flesh? Blood. You cut yourself and your going to bleed. What seeps out of a rare steak...blood.

The Vatican did that when they corrupted the concepts, genetically, about flesh and blood. I mentioned early upthread about communion being a corruption of the original blood rites--which included the creation of flesh but never made any mention that flesh was important in anyway.

Instead of asking what's in your wallet, maybe we should be asking what's in our blood (instead what's on the dinner plate).

What is in our blood that parasitical energies find so compelling. Most external parasites aren't after your flesh, their after your blood. Mosquitoes, leeches, flies, fleas, none of them are asking for piece of meat, they want your blood.

There is not a whole lot out there, that can't be observed here in our street level common perception.

[9eagle9]

I found your post interesting due to a matter of timing of a peculiar dream I had that posted in another thread. It was a couple days ago, and what made the dream peculiar was that another member's daughter had a similar dream the same evening. And heard the same things I did during the dream.

Then there were a few admissions made to me by other members that they had either very weird patterns or sleep, inability to sleep or heard the same things I heard after I woke up the day after the dream. I wasn't soliciting for opinions, these were things that were revealed to me in idle conversation.

I don't have much dream recall, I don't have dreams that leave emotionally disturbed. That I experienced either is significant. This is the sort of dream you want to wake someone up and crawl in their lap. That someone else had a similar dream and similar waking event is significant and were left as distrubed by it seem significant. The dream itself is not important. I recognized where I was at, I've been there before. A bleak, dark industrial landscape, where everyone is backed against the wall and there's no where to go. No hope, no chance for reclamation, nothing but despair. Complete and total isolation from God. Nothing was 'happening' in the dream that was disturbing those were just the conditions.

I wake up from this dream and I'm deeply disturbed. But I also KNOW that that is just not the way it is. So I'm laying there and I hear what sounds like a deep throbbing electrical hum , its pulsing on and off....like a heart beat . Dub dub dub dub....This is not good. It's EM interference and its turned up HIGH, to where I'm not just aware of it, I can hear with my physical ears, its going through the whole house. That is when I realized this 'dream' went out through the collective and has been tapped down into the psyche with these bursts of em.

When the sun started coming up it got fainter and went away entirely.

This is what our masters of the psyche are trying to imbed in us--despair. Have a sort of covert despair lurking in the subconscious. No choices, no chances, no place to go. I remember the dream, I've been in that underworld before, that's where they operate from. What lurks behind that programming--despair implantation-- is information all on it's own. Their minds are equally open when they open this sort of operation. This covert accidentally release information has something to do with the sun, and this means of programming can't occur when the sun is out. As soon as the sun rose, it killed off that pulse. I have no idea if it's HAARP or some-other assholery, but it was a ripple through the shared collective mind. To initiate emotional undercurrents of despair, of having no options. This is the end of the line.

If those were conditions of reality there would be no reason to to keep imposing this sort of manipulation on people. So what if we 'think' we are empowered and its not really true? Would they not be content with that information if it were really true. Why do they spend so much time attempting to put us in a place of no choices, no options, and utter despair if that was our reality.

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Posted by CdnSirian (here)
I have to say I appreciate all those who have hung in with this thread, which I think concerns a very challenging topic.

We all have had experiences that are somewhat difficult or plain impossible to describe. "Other" energies or beings, thought forms, beamed ideas, transferences, copy-cats, hitch-hikers, aliens, demons, angels, hybrids, bio-engineered robots, label-of-the-month critters are common to our lives.

On the huge over-view, we are all us and the whole system and accessories are included.

Apparently a well functioning brain is designed to filter out other realities, voices, beings, et al so that we can experience this focus for what it is. 3D reality. I observe that it's pretty good for some!

Any glitch or deliberate sabotaging (pain, drugs hypnosis) allows or ensures a vulnerability to intrusion and influence, or downright slavery. Movies, symbols, buzzwords, television - trawls for the rest of us, daily, hourly, filling the nets.

Where am I going with this? Not sure!!

I have observed that when I ignore the media and the bad stories I have very little interference in my ability to focus and create. When I get sucked into the drama I waste time, have nightmares, and feel haggard. So I do have some control over this.

Once in a while I tune in to the current events and the predicted horrible downfall of our (Western "civilized") culture and frankly, if I stay with it for a while, I don't see any reason to live another day. Insiders from the alphabet groups confirm we will be rounded up, camped, and brutally raped, tortured and killed.

So I just have to tune out and live every day like that crap storm is never going to happen, or die right now.

I will take every vitamin, mineral and organic food I can get to help me tune out of "reality". 9Eagle9 and others who do the clearing work, this is not to invalidate you at all. I just can't hang with it, not on a continual basis.

I have considered getting off this forum. And re-considered.

I read and viewed the videos here today: http://secretsun.blogspot.com/2011/0...y-results.html which shows interviews with and about Philip K. Dick. Also talks about consciousness, reality et al. It's just too big to settle for tuning in exclusively to the "we are just pawns" reality.

We can re-focus as we are acted upon by exterior forces, or we can practise whatever discipline is necessary to guide our own focus. We can self heal, get help, if we need. And help others. I'm not in denial.

I think we have to create a good deal of the time, that we are sovreign in our life and consciousness. What else is going to give us the Oomph to deal with the cr**p when it looms into our view screen?

Hope this makes some sense.

[wynderer]

part of the price/risk/responsibility involved w/the free will thing

Posted by justoneman (here)

Posted by wynderer (here)
i also think that this is what the Creator intended -- & that the erect spine & chakras were not intended to lie dormant -- Humans have been deliberately cut off from the Creator/Source

The same creator that created all? If so, is this the same creator that created the environment within which your above stated scenario could occur? That we humans could be deliberately cut off from the same said Creator? If so, would we have anything to worry about?

What a benevolent creator that would be, huh?

Maybe we don't all know all?

Anyways, not my view - just another program I have graduated from.

[Hervé]

Posted by gripreaper (here)
Well, as long as we are on the topic of aberrant behaviors associated with aliens, we need to go back 200,000 years and start at the beginning...

[...]

The main caveat is that there is a possibility that the experiment is being terminated and the fact that soul essence cannot be extracted , and that the new hybrid humans are ready to be released while the old version, which is us, is to be exterminated...

[...]

Cough... cough... cough... which beginning?

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
[...]

It should make it clear that all sides/aspects of any conflicts were implanted into our minds... "They gave us their minds" said Juan Maltus to Castaneda... and ever since "WE" 've been busy RE-creating all those figures, constructs, programs and kept ourselves and "them" entertained with them...

Here is the transcript of the video I was able to concoct:

[In the following "R6" equates to the implanted "mind" given to "us" by Castaneda's "predators" and "dramatization" means the re-creation or acting out of the R6/ unconscious "mind" implanted hypnotic commands. Hence, R6ers are the hypnotically-tranced, skull-dwelling zombies we got to know as the "sheeples." Accordingly, MKultra, satanic, etc. types of mind-control and implants are "dramatizations" of that "R6" "mind/unconscious"]


[...]

Although it’s a fairly simple implant but it was quite effective in lousing people up because it interrupted them from creating what they would have created and took away what mock-ups that he did have and it stop the cycle and it put something there that is unwanted and so when they tried to create, they created it [the “unwanted”]. They fixed his attention by “protest.”

All right.

For this planet, and for this Confederacy of the 21 adjacent stars and its 76 planets; the Incident Two… it is a very long and [?] complex incident… all in 36 days.

[...]

These planets averaged 178 billion human beings per planet. One hundred and seventy eight billion. There were 250 billion on this planet, the name of this planet was Teegeeak and this is known as the “bomb-place” and this is the “evil place.” This is the place [?pretty much all of it?] got smashed.

[...]

Now, that is peculiar and only to this planet and to this confederation. There have been other implants of various kind and sizes but this is probably one of the longest, most violent and wildest implant in this sector of the universe.

[...]

They were [?imported?], they were actually… the trick was to shoot somebody, disable somebody, very often a needle into a lung and at the same time to hit him with frozen alcohol and glycol which preparation is guaranteed to pick up a being. All they had to do was: pick him up and put him in a refrigerator and they had him boy. When he tried to exteriorize from the body, there he was -- frozen.

[...]

People were ferried in here by the billions and the billions and the billions and they were ferried in here with boxes and they were put in boxes and stacked around and the people who were on this planet already, just caught it in the teeth, nobody bothered to pick them up. [...]... it blew the beings into the air and after the bomb, an electronic ribbon which also was a type of standing wave was erected over the area. The tremendous winds on the planet blew every being there was straight in to those particular vacuum zones which had been created. These were brought down, packed up and put in front of projection machines [?] with sound and colored pictures. First gave them the implant which you know as “Clearing Course.” Then, a whole track [was] implanted which you know as OT II.

[...]

The entirety of Roman Catholicism, the devil and all of these sorts of things, that is all part of R6. Practically anything you can think of, all modern theatres in actual fact are built with the exact symbols shown [???] in R6.

[...]

Now, the net result of all of this, was to make a 75 million year vacuum. That’s as far as this part of the universe is concerned. You wonder why: “Why don’t… if there are saucers around, why don’t they land on this planet?”

This planet, traditionally, over the various zones and area has an evil reputation. Mutineers and deserters and that sort of thing were often dumped on this planet. They’ll often come here and refuge because they know nobody’s gonna come after them.

This planet is the planet of the evil repute and this sector of the universe has a very evil repute.

Now, all the data which you have that was set out seventy four fluff-fluff-fluff million years ago – almost seventy five – this catastrophe overcame this confederation and has just made it an unsavory part of this universe, to say the least.

About, well, relatively, we are almost in modern times -- 20 million years ago, something like that – somebody started a body line on the planet; it gradually worked through various areas of barbarism and once more, R6 tailored made it to be nothing but a caveman civilization.

Nevertheless, they moved up the line and they moved up toward the dramatization of R6 and that’s what man calls “progress.” And they have managed to make things, this way and that way and their technology is rather pathetic but they’ve moved up the line until they… until there is some possibilities of establishing communication with regard to the activity. The “fate” of the R6ers and we have many a PC who will say to you “Oh my god, they are after me…” it sure fixed up an area, they fixed up an implant that their… people are taught carefully that any man who tries to save the world must be killed, he must be mobbed, hanged.

[...]

Somebody, somewhere on this planet -- back about 600 BC, found some pieces of R6. I don’t know how they found it, either by watching madmen or something, but since that time, they have used it and it became what is known as Christianity.

[...]

Now, to get an edge in, in this particular area and blow this up as a “mass” engram and so forth is quite a trick and we are involved in doing just that. No universe is safe where people are smashed that badly. It becomes the business of any being because the universe in which he lives – as long as it contains a cancerous area such as this old confederation and so on – is not a universe in which one can really freely move. Simple.

[...]

There are certain things which make people ill and that is when they get into certain zones or areas or positions which approximate the R6 positions; such as a body lying in the rain with a rat, below the cross. Guaranteed to give people colds. And so forth, so you have colds from rain. Yet you take baths, you get wet and don’t get a cold. When they get cold, it restimulates frozen alcohol and glycol, as a mix, and therefore they get into a dramatization. So, their sickness is very closely tied-in with R6. [...] Also, a body was only supposed to live seventy years which is a bunch of balderdash. Before R6, and so forth they lived on and on and on and on… there was no such thing as death. They taught people death, they taught them amnesia, these various things. They all come from this zone and area.

[...]

Now, I wouldn't mind THAT particular "experiment" to end... the trouble is that most everybody seem to think that all the problems are coming from the body-line and its genetics whereas the real deal LIES with the IMPLANTED BEINGS occupying said bodies... beings which are re-wired to create/manifest in their environment exactly what they specifically DO NOT WANT!

Machiavellian to say the least.

To that, add a little population problem: 7 billion incarnated "souls"... that makes, to simplify, 240 billion "out there" in-waiting... that makes for a very, very crowded "astral realm," each "manifesting" who or what they "believe" -- i.e. hypnotically ordered -- to be.

In short, it takes quite some compassion to even consider tackling that "problem."

[observer]

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
Click on forwarding arrow to see content of 9eagle9's comment #1563

Yes, well thank you 9eagle, for quoting my words and then misconstruing the meaning of that which I am speaking.

In your reply to my comment, you are referring to your interpretations based on your personal observations, and applying that to what you understand regarding the 'every-day' matrix of control that permeates this particular reality. Your observations based on that aspect of "releasing one's self" from the matrix of control may be all too correct.

I, on the other hand, am speaking of "releasing one's self" from the matrix of control at the moments after one expires, i.e. what one might experience after death, and things one might do during their lifetime to release one's self from this particular universe, which is nothing more than a matrix of control.

As you can see, these two concepts are, in no way, comparable to one another.

It is my interpretation from years of research into the unaltered records of antiquity.... records that have only been unearthed from the deserts of Egypt, Mesopotamia, and the Indus Valley in just the past two hundred years, or so. From these records, one might interpret that eating flesh is one of the ways that the Archons keep the 'eternal soul' aspect of our species locked within this matrix of control.

[Hervé]

Posted by WhiteCrowBlackDeer (here)

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
I am stealing this from another thread (my apologies WCBD) as an example of how, although truth is clearly uttered, truth is left unacknowledged and accomodated to one's level of understanding current at that moment...

[...]

“Thank you. I was possessed back then.”

[...]

[...]

Again, apologies for taking that post of yours as an example of a truth uttered in a thread about archontic influences.

No argument as to who you are or whether or not you were aware of the dynamic taking place in your life experiences.

[RunningDeer]

Oh, seems that I need to apologies. I didn't realize that you were quoting my Dad. I thought you meant... oh it doesn't matter. It's only words right? Sorry and thank you, Amzer Zo.

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)

Posted by WhiteCrowBlackDeer (here)

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
I am stealing this from another thread (my apologies WCBD) as an example of how, although truth is clearly uttered, truth is left unacknowledged and accomodated to one's level of understanding current at that moment...

[...]

“Thank you. I was possessed back then.”

[...]

[...]

Again, apologies for taking that post of yours as an example of a truth uttered in a thread about archontic influences.

No argument as to who you are or whether or not you were aware of the dynamic taking place in your life experiences.

[Hervé]

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
[...]

If those were conditions of reality there would be no reason to to keep imposing this sort of manipulation on people. So what if we 'think' we are empowered and its not really true? Would they not be content with that information if it were really true. Why do they spend so much time attempting to put us in a place of no choices, no options, and utter despair if that was our reality.

[...]

Right on!

Something is indeed happening to the programming of the "predators' mind" handed down to us... it seems to disolve when light is shone on it .

[Chester]

Posted by wynderer (here)
part of the price/risk/responsibility involved w/the free will thing

Posted by justoneman (here)

Posted by wynderer (here)
i also think that this is what the Creator intended -- & that the erect spine & chakras were not intended to lie dormant -- Humans have been deliberately cut off from the Creator/Source

The same creator that created all? If so, is this the same creator that created the environment within which your above stated scenario could occur? That we humans could be deliberately cut off from the same said Creator? If so, would we have anything to worry about?

What a benevolent creator that would be, huh?

Maybe we don't all know all?

Anyways, not my view - just another program I have graduated from.

It would be impossible to be a child of the Creator... the Creator I know (which happens to be "us") and be "cut off."

How can the inseparable become separate?

It has been put forth that it is our "perception of being cut off... our perception of being separate" that leaves us with the feeling that we are separate (or possibly headed there).

But this is impossible or what you are isn't real in the first place. justanotheropinion

[wynderer]

this is somewhat off the topic of Archons/abductions/milabs , as in Maarit's interview

pls define 'us,' as in in the Creator being us --

Posted by justoneman (here)

Posted by wynderer (here)
part of the price/risk/responsibility involved w/the free will thing

Posted by justoneman (here)

Posted by wynderer (here)
i also think that this is what the Creator intended -- & that the erect spine & chakras were not intended to lie dormant -- Humans have been deliberately cut off from the Creator/Source

The same creator that created all? If so, is this the same creator that created the environment within which your above stated scenario could occur? That we humans could be deliberately cut off from the same said Creator? If so, would we have anything to worry about?

What a benevolent creator that would be, huh?

Maybe we don't all know all?

Anyways, not my view - just another program I have graduated from.

It would be impossible to be a child of the Creator... the Creator I know (which happens to be "us") and be "cut off."

How can the inseparable become separate?

It has been put forth that it is our "perception of being cut off... our perception of being separate" that leaves us with the feeling that we are separate (or possibly headed there).

But this is impossible or what you are isn't real in the first place. justanotheropinion

[Flash]

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
I found your post interesting due to a matter of timing of a peculiar dream I had that posted in another thread. It was a couple days ago, and what made the dream peculiar was that another member's daughter had a similar dream the same evening. And heard the same things I did during the dream.

Then there were a few admissions made to me by other members that they had either very weird patterns or sleep, inability to sleep or heard the same things I heard after I woke up the day after the dream. I wasn't soliciting for opinions, these were things that were revealed to me in idle conversation.

I don't have much dream recall, I don't have dreams that leave emotionally disturbed. That I experienced either is significant. This is the sort of dream you want to wake someone up and crawl in their lap. That someone else had a similar dream and similar waking event is significant and were left as distrubed by it seem significant. The dream itself is not important. I recognized where I was at, I've been there before. A bleak, dark industrial landscape, where everyone is backed against the wall and there's no where to go. No hope, no chance for reclamation, nothing but despair. Complete and total isolation from God. Nothing was 'happening' in the dream that was disturbing those were just the conditions.

I wake up from this dream and I'm deeply disturbed. But I also KNOW that that is just not the way it is. So I'm laying there and I hear what sounds like a deep throbbing electrical hum , its pulsing on and off....like a heart beat . Dub dub dub dub....This is not good. It's EM interference and its turned up HIGH, to where I'm not just aware of it, I can hear with my physical ears, its going through the whole house. That is when I realized this 'dream' went out through the collective and has been tapped down into the psyche with these bursts of em.

When the sun started coming up it got fainter and went away entirely.

This is what our masters of the psyche are trying to imbed in us--despair. Have a sort of covert despair lurking in the subconscious. No choices, no chances, no place to go. I remember the dream, I've been in that underworld before, that's where they operate from. What lurks behind that programming--despair implantation-- is information all on it's own. Their minds are equally open when they open this sort of operation. This covert accidentally release information has something to do with the sun, and this means of programming can't occur when the sun is out. As soon as the sun rose, it killed off that pulse. I have no idea if it's HAARP or some-other assholery, but it was a ripple through the shared collective mind. To initiate emotional undercurrents of despair, of having no options. This is the end of the line.

If those were conditions of reality there would be no reason to to keep imposing this sort of manipulation on people. So what if we 'think' we are empowered and its not really true? Would they not be content with that information if it were really true. Why do they spend so much time attempting to put us in a place of no choices, no options, and utter despair if that was our reality.

[/I]

Posted by CdnSirian (here)
I have to say I appreciate all those who have hung in with this thread, which I think concerns a very challenging topic.

We all have had experiences that are somewhat difficult or plain impossible to describe. "Other" energies or beings, thought forms, beamed ideas, transferences, copy-cats, hitch-hikers, aliens, demons, angels, hybrids, bio-engineered robots, label-of-the-month critters are common to our lives.

On the huge over-view, we are all us and the whole system and accessories are included.

Apparently a well functioning brain is designed to filter out other realities, voices, beings, et al so that we can experience this focus for what it is. 3D reality. I observe that it's pretty good for some!

Any glitch or deliberate sabotaging (pain, drugs hypnosis) allows or ensures a vulnerability to intrusion and influence, or downright slavery. Movies, symbols, buzzwords, television - trawls for the rest of us, daily, hourly, filling the nets.

Where am I going with this? Not sure!!

I have observed that when I ignore the media and the bad stories I have very little interference in my ability to focus and create. When I get sucked into the drama I waste time, have nightmares, and feel haggard. So I do have some control over this.

Once in a while I tune in to the current events and the predicted horrible downfall of our (Western "civilized") culture and frankly, if I stay with it for a while, I don't see any reason to live another day. Insiders from the alphabet groups confirm we will be rounded up, camped, and brutally raped, tortured and killed.

So I just have to tune out and live every day like that crap storm is never going to happen, or die right now.

I will take every vitamin, mineral and organic food I can get to help me tune out of "reality". 9Eagle9 and others who do the clearing work, this is not to invalidate you at all. I just can't hang with it, not on a continual basis.

I have considered getting off this forum. And re-considered.

I read and viewed the videos here today: http://secretsun.blogspot.com/2011/0...y-results.html which shows interviews with and about Philip K. Dick. Also talks about consciousness, reality et al. It's just too big to settle for tuning in exclusively to the "we are just pawns" reality.

We can re-focus as we are acted upon by exterior forces, or we can practise whatever discipline is necessary to guide our own focus. We can self heal, get help, if we need. And help others. I'm not in denial.

I think we have to create a good deal of the time, that we are sovreign in our life and consciousness. What else is going to give us the Oomph to deal with the cr**p when it looms into our view screen?

Hope this makes some sense.

Gosh 9Eagle9, last summer I was hearing the same humming beat, very low hum, as you say, like a dim heart beat but slow. I first thought it was construction - but in the night?? - then wonder if there was some companies nearby working with humming machine at night, then talked to my Engineer and sport medecine specialist, she was hearing the same. We even called the city to be told there was nothing in our environment doing that.

I thought we may be both nut, until today. Thank you,

This also tells me it is throughout at least North America. I also wondered if it could be the earth itself.

[Chester]

Posted by wynderer (here)
this is somewhat off the topic of Archons/abductions/milabs , as in Maarit's interview

pls define 'us,' as in in the Creator being us --

Posted by justoneman (here)

Posted by wynderer (here)
part of the price/risk/responsibility involved w/the free will thing

Posted by justoneman (here)

Posted by wynderer (here)
i also think that this is what the Creator intended -- & that the erect spine & chakras were not intended to lie dormant -- Humans have been deliberately cut off from the Creator/Source

The same creator that created all? If so, is this the same creator that created the environment within which your above stated scenario could occur? That we humans could be deliberately cut off from the same said Creator? If so, would we have anything to worry about?

What a benevolent creator that would be, huh?

Maybe we don't all know all?

Anyways, not my view - just another program I have graduated from.

It would be impossible to be a child of the Creator... the Creator I know (which happens to be "us") and be "cut off."

How can the inseparable become separate?

It has been put forth that it is our "perception of being cut off... our perception of being separate" that leaves us with the feeling that we are separate (or possibly headed there).

But this is impossible or what you are isn't real in the first place. justanotheropinion

try this one

https://youtube.com/watch?v=RNAqNJByrvw

and this one

https://youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=nUwtFJ4Nc_E

and this one

http://www.lifeartsmedia.com/tim-fre...ery-experience

It's something I "got."

When I was younger, I did not get it.

What I know with no doubt is that as long as I live this life, I will never "un get it."

some get it... some don't.

justone

[9eagle9]

"Why so much despair". Whose despair is it? We the people have been mostly ignorant, blissful and blind till a few decades ago.

For thousands, hundreds of years, the ptb has been our gods. The Collective, the Faction. Our banks, our governments, (our countires). We were good citizens, we toed the line so that God would give us a blessing in the ptb church on Sunday, we worked so the neighbors wouldn't think we were sleveens, we kept a good crediting rating to keep the banks happy, served our country. We served the Gods. And we were happy to do it.

Then we figured out there was more to life than the Bible, more to God than hell and heaven, figured out credit rating was fake, insurance policies were legalized gambling, retirement accounts would be dead before we were, and all of it was a means of control and we didn’t like our gods anymore. It was all fake.


Then we figured out they needed us—taxes, slave labor, consumers of their stuff.

Then we figured out …we could do without them.

We're finding out we can do without their bank, their credit rating, their credit cards, their big gas guzzling cars, their social security number, their jobs, their health systems, their pharma compaines, their seeds., their fake everything.

Isn’t everything ,not just their magickal practices, FAKE. Fake politicians who are dummies that sit on the laps of something else. Fake doctors who couldn’t find their own ass with both hands let along operate on yours, fake money, fake cures, fake replicated seeds that make fake non nutritional plants that useless food is made from.

In the meantime we began seeing what was real. Real leaders, real magic, real healers, what real currency means, real cures, real energy, heirloom seeds and natural medicine.

They are fake and now we know they are fake and they need us to keep believing that they are real gods.

So who is rightfully the ones that should be despairing? Us? Why?

That is their despair that we are feeling.

Look at all the ‘new promises of a new world’ issued by the Drakes, the Wilocks, and the Fulfords. All of them have one single theme—They, the fake ones, the plants in the midst of the fake power structures are all promising something via these rather clueless media outlets. Promising to change things, because only the 'gods' can change things. The same way they promised low interest loans, and reverse mortgages—more fake **** that didn’t work. . Another attempt to snare us in to make us believe that they are still gods and can fix everything.

[Hervé]

Speaking of nuked, blown up planets and the soul harvesting of their inhabitants (see post # 1410):

Draconian Encounter

By Franz Erdl
http://educate-yourself.org/cn/erdld...09jul12,.shtml
July 9, 2012
Draconian Encounter by Franz Erdl (August 12, 2012)

http://www.psitalent.de/Englisch/Dracoencounter.htm

Last week, I had a session with a person who had previously worked in a mine which not only greatly harmed his health, but on top of that, he got caught up in extraterrestrials. Beneath this mine there were more tunnel facilities - created by aliens. When I had a closer look at it, I could see a black creature from deep down looking up at the workers of that mine. It was a Draco.

I could feel that this Draco was senior to the others. Maybe he was the chief of the underground base . He said to me "This planet has been promised to us!" I was able to recognize at a glance how he felt. It felt like, "Why do so many of your kind still walk around?" It seemed to me as if he has been waiting for ages to regain a planet for himself.

--- A couple of weeks ago we had freed a Draco - we healed his enormous pain - it was the destruction of his planet. Martina was able to witness this downfall due to his immense agony. The planet shattered with one huge explosion. This shock was deeply felt in all Dracos and hence their strong desire for their own planet.

Back to my encounter with the Draco. The Draco was waiting to take over the earth!

By whom? By whom was this promise given?

By the snakes (or who or whatever is above them)?

I do not think they will keep their promises. But I believe that the snakes make concessions as long as they can use other beings as mere tools. If their work is done, Grays, Reptilians, Dracos (but also Illuminati, Freemasons, banksters, etc.) will be reset to their enslaved condition.

What does the dark side want? They crave for souls, not for planets.
Their plan on earth is to cut the grounding connection of all living creatures. That is the reason why they have destroyed other planets. And thinking about it, they want to destroy planet earth and our souls should serve them as food forever. If they were interested in planets, they would not have destroyed them. But I may be wrong.

Together - the Draco and I - went through the healing process. As expected, I experienced a deep pain seated in the heart chakra which took a long time to be healed. When this was done, something wonderful happened.

Even then, a few weeks ago Martina witnessed the paternal energy of this Draco. This energy seems to be characteristic for Dracos. I was not able to perceive it before, but this time I experienced it myself.

I do not know how to describe this paternal power. The moment where I felt it, it was beautiful and I knew it was the original form of paternal power in its highest concentration. Overwhelming and beyond words because we are not aware of that power which was probably long gone. We therefore, have no comparison.

Hey folks! Now while writing this, I can feel the tingling all over. So if healed Dracos should feel like I perceive them now, then I would be happy if they stayed here.

Franz Erdl

[wynderer]

LOL at the 'paternal energy' /'paternal power' -- tho, considering some of the fathers described on Bill's reconnecting w/families thread, maybe this isn't so far from the truth

edit to add: when the Reptilians first came to planet Earth, they were likely hi-fiving each other all over the place when they learned how easy it is to manipulate the thoughts & emotions of the Humans [Earth's rightful inhabitants, imo]

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
Speaking of nuked, blown up planets and the soul harvesting of their inhabitants (see post # 1410):

Draconian Encounter

By Franz Erdl
http://educate-yourself.org/cn/erdld...09jul12,.shtml
July 9, 2012
Draconian Encounter by Franz Erdl (August 12, 2012)

http://www.psitalent.de/Englisch/Dracoencounter.htm

Last week, I had a session with a person who had previously worked in a mine which not only greatly harmed his health, but on top of that, he got caught up in extraterrestrials. Beneath this mine there were more tunnel facilities - created by aliens. When I had a closer look at it, I could see a black creature from deep down looking up at the workers of that mine. It was a Draco.

I could feel that this Draco was senior to the others. Maybe he was the chief of the underground base . He said to me "This planet has been promised to us!" I was able to recognize at a glance how he felt. It felt like, "Why do so many of your kind still walk around?" It seemed to me as if he has been waiting for ages to regain a planet for himself.

--- A couple of weeks ago we had freed a Draco - we healed his enormous pain - it was the destruction of his planet. Martina was able to witness this downfall due to his immense agony. The planet shattered with one huge explosion. This shock was deeply felt in all Dracos and hence their strong desire for their own planet.

Back to my encounter with the Draco. The Draco was waiting to take over the earth!

By whom? By whom was this promise given?

By the snakes (or who or whatever is above them)?

I do not think they will keep their promises. But I believe that the snakes make concessions as long as they can use other beings as mere tools. If their work is done, Grays, Reptilians, Dracos (but also Illuminati, Freemasons, banksters, etc.) will be reset to their enslaved condition.

What does the dark side want? They crave for souls, not for planets.
Their plan on earth is to cut the grounding connection of all living creatures. That is the reason why they have destroyed other planets. And thinking about it, they want to destroy planet earth and our souls should serve them as food forever. If they were interested in planets, they would not have destroyed them. But I may be wrong.

Together - the Draco and I - went through the healing process. As expected, I experienced a deep pain seated in the heart chakra which took a long time to be healed. When this was done, something wonderful happened.

Even then, a few weeks ago Martina witnessed the paternal energy of this Draco. This energy seems to be characteristic for Dracos. I was not able to perceive it before, but this time I experienced it myself.

I do not know how to describe this paternal power. The moment where I felt it, it was beautiful and I knew it was the original form of paternal power in its highest concentration. Overwhelming and beyond words because we are not aware of that power which was probably long gone. We therefore, have no comparison.

Hey folks! Now while writing this, I can feel the tingling all over. So if healed Dracos should feel like I perceive them now, then I would be happy if they stayed here.

Franz Erdl

[observer]

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Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
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Yes, well thank you 9eagle, for quoting my words and then misconstruing the meaning of that which I am speaking.

In your reply to my comment, you are referring to your interpretations based on your personal observations, and applying that to what you understand regarding the 'every-day' matrix of control that permeates this particular reality. Your observations based on that aspect of "releasing one's self" from the matrix of control may be all too correct.

I, on the other hand, am speaking of "releasing one's self" from the matrix of control at the moments after one expires, i.e. what one might experience after death, and things one might do during their lifetime to release one's self from this particular universe, which is nothing more than a matrix of control.

As you can see, these two concepts are, in no way, comparable to one another.

It is my interpretation from years of research into the unaltered records of antiquity.... records that have only been unearthed from the deserts of Egypt, Mesopotamia, and the Indus Valley in just the past two hundred years, or so. From these records, one might interpret that eating flesh is one of the ways that the Archons keep the 'eternal soul' aspect of our species locked within this matrix of control.

I should note, that far back into antiquity up until the Templar took-over the control of the Gnosis, each and every group that has assembled around the concept of a God of Unconditional Love have been vegetarians. I point to the history of the True Gnosis as evidence to what I'm reporting.

I've come to realize, the balance between good and evil all boils-down to if one is a meat eater, or not. I do believe there is a profound significance to this observation. Regardless of how those individuals who are drunk on the 'blood of the sacrifice' want to twist the reflection into something it really isn't.

As 9eagle9 inadvertently pointed-out in her rebuttal, it all boils-down to the significance of the blood. How do you prefer your meat.... rare??? with lots of juicy blood???

That point really doesn't matter, because even at 'well-done' the blood is still there.

It's all about participation in a ritual that gives-over the power to the 'Master of the Ceremony'.

[wynderer]

hi Observer --

from your earlier post:
'I, on the other hand, am speaking of "releasing one's self" from the matrix of control at the moments after one expires, i.e. what one might experience after death, and things one might do during their lifetime to release one's self from this particular universe, which is nothing more than a matrix of control. '

i perceive that this particular 'death' -- for all those of Human origin on this planet at this time -- this is the Big One -- after leaving the body, this time it will not be a question of 'choosing' which Earth Human family to be re-born/incarnate into -- it's either get totally free & clear of the matrix , or consign one's soul to a hellish plane of existence

tha controllers/archons are, of course, well aware of this , & have set up many cunningly devised traps to lure souls to their realm

re the blood stuff -- when i started reading the real history of 'pagan' religions, not the newagey ones, i was appalled at how many used 'blood sacrifices' -- mostly w/the poor non-Human Animals, but many using Humans too

apparently there is something in Earth mammal blood that the controllers /archons need, or enjoy -- the Humans who take part in their unholy rituals are just being used to get the blood spilled -- [those valuable opposable thumbs ]--

meanwhile the blood of the non-Human Animals is spilled endlessly, all over the planet, w/most Humans shutting their hearts & minds to the Animals' 'eternal Treblinka,' as one man called it

Posted by observer (here)

Posted by observer (here)

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
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Yes, well thank you 9eagle, for quoting my words and then misconstruing the meaning of that which I am speaking.

In your reply to my comment, you are referring to your interpretations based on your personal observations, and applying that to what you understand regarding the 'every-day' matrix of control that permeates this particular reality. Your observations based on that aspect of "releasing one's self" from the matrix of control may be all too correct.

I, on the other hand, am speaking of "releasing one's self" from the matrix of control at the moments after one expires, i.e. what one might experience after death, and things one might do during their lifetime to release one's self from this particular universe, which is nothing more than a matrix of control.

As you can see, these two concepts are, in no way, comparable to one another.

It is my interpretation from years of research into the unaltered records of antiquity.... records that have only been unearthed from the deserts of Egypt, Mesopotamia, and the Indus Valley in just the past two hundred years, or so. From these records, one might interpret that eating flesh is one of the ways that the Archons keep the 'eternal soul' aspect of our species locked within this matrix of control.

I should note, that far back into antiquity up until the Templar took-over the control of the Gnosis, each and every group that has assembled around the concept of a God of Unconditional Love have been vegetarians. I point to the history of the True Gnosis as evidence to what I'm reporting.

I've come to realize, the balance between good and evil all boils-down to if one is a meat eater, or not. I do believe there is a profound significance to this observation. Regardless of how those individuals who are drunk on the 'blood of the sacrifice' want to twist the reflection into something it really isn't.

As 9eagle9 inadvertently pointed-out in her rebuttal, it all boils-down to the significance of the blood. How do you prefer your meat.... rare??? with lots of juicy blood???

That point really doesn't matter, because even at 'well-done' the blood is still there.

It's all about participation in a ritual that gives-over the power to the 'Master of the Ceremony'.

[Timreh]

Just finished watching "UFOs, Aliens, and the Question of Contact"
(https://youtube.com/watch?v=cCgqmulQCV0)
(http://veilofreality.com/2011/03/12/...2%98%9E-video/)
Thanks Jean-Luc..

It seems awareness and education are critical in fighting the abductions and mind games/interference
Curious does anyone have any idea of the laws and rules these invaders are bound or governed by? (mentioned by Elton Turner at around 1:44:50)

..and where might all this leave our souls in the grand scheme of things?