Horus-Ra as the Archontic Alien Parasite: A follow-up interview with Maarit

[observer]

From a comment made in another thread by Sabastion:

Posted by Sebastion (here)
Judgement does NOT exist in higher states of consciousness for there is no one and no thing to pass judgement. Been there, seen that, done that. Don't believe me? Get out of your body and go see for yourself, it isn't that hard...ask Anotherbob, NancyV, Jake, Sirdipswitch and others, then you will KNOW for yourself! [....snip]

Each and every comment I have review by many of those listed in your 'list of those to ask', have been comments of 'personal testimony'. Personal testimony is a wonderful thing when subscribing to dogma, like one might find in the 'Bible Thread', for instance.

There is not a shred of physical evidence that can support your 'personal testimony' claim of 'traveling out of your body'. Beyond your 'personal testimony', there is not a shred of physical evidence to support that which you may be experiencing, is not strongly influenced by an Archonic Presence within your 'Astral Dream State'.


If you could prove - without a shadow of doubt - what you claim to be part of this reality, than you (and the others you have represented) would be presenting hard physical evidence to your suppositions.... just as Houman has done with the (now) 88 pages of hard physical evidence contained within this thread.

All the members get from those in your 'list' are personal testimony.

I find testimonies from you, and the others whom you have referenced, to be personal interpretations of how reality works - as to the insistence of these channeled sources.

If you ever have had a doubt to your claim, than in that moment, you are questioning that to which you speak. This moment of doubt is what is referred to as a 'moral conflict'.

Show us the evidence. Otherwise contain your comments to the appropriate threads which I already suggested. This is a thread based on evidence.

Sorry for the rant, Houman, just my opinion, based on the available facts....

- edit update -

Please, do as you wish, blather-on. It can be counted as just one more with much to say, yet having so little revelation to their content. Why not ruin a perfectly good thread with more 'channeled' dogma?

I've said what I have to say, Sabastion.

[wynderer]

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[Daughter of Time]

Well, Wyn -

Glad at least I made you laugh out loud!

I've never doubted the goodness of your heart towards others. You have gone out of your way to express your sympathy towards children and animals.

But from the posts I've read of yours, it seemed to me that you are too accepting of your fate since you say "this is only one life" and other things which would be too tiresome to repeat.

If I've misread you and you're fully awake and aware, then all I can say is: GOOD FOR YOU!!!

[wynderer]

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[RunningDeer]

Hello All, this was posted this on another thread. It's hard to figure out the pulse and main theme on this thread partly because I don't check in often enough.

Though, I'd wager a guess that it's not a "Mooji kind of place". He does raise some points that were covered on this thread. For what it's worth, it may hit a helpful cord for some.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=7yk0ANlMmgI

source:https://youtube.com/watch?v=7yk0ANlMmgI[/QUOTE]

[wynderer]

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[heyokah]

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
Some people are busy doing something about as opposed to those who actually do something about.

True words aren’t eloquent;
eloquent words aren’t true.
Wise men don’t need to prove their point;
men who need to prove their point aren’t wise.

The Master has no possessions.
The more he does for others,
the happier he is.
The more he gives to others,
the wealthier he is.

The Tao nourishes by not forcing.
By not dominating, the Master leads.

Tao Te Ching, verse 81

[Chester]

Posted by observer (here)

Posted by Sebastion (here)
Sorry Wynderer but I am not buying into your victim/prison paradigm, not today, not tomorrow, not ever!
[....snip]

I'm certain wynderer would concur, Sebastion,

You are free to choose whatever resonates within your heart. Here is a link to a website where you might find all the tripe that you are subscribing to.

There is a section of this forum that is dedicated specifically to the 'brain manure' being proposed by individuals such as Sheldon Nidle.

I (and I'm certain, wanderer in bumping my comment) am simply pointing to evidence that is contrary to the New Age Hypothesis. This is the root basis for (I'm also certain) Houman's creating this thread of exceptional evidence that is all contrary to the New Age Hypothesis.

.... and to Justoneman's comment #1740:

Posted by justoneman (here)
Click-on forwarding arrow to see content of justoneman's comment #1740

.... I would reiterate what I've said so often throughout the forums:

If you so believe this planet is such a wonderful place to be in 2012, "just ask that Afghani Mother, sitting in the bombed-out rubble of her home, holding her dead infant, if she feels as though her thoughts have in any way created her reality, today."

We are all - by the rules of karma - subject to the consequences of our life actions. Not a single one of us knows the rules by which we exist within this Prison Matrix. These rules are purposely obscured from The Mass of Humanity for the reasons that I make the comments that I do.

It is the obligation of each individual to find his own eternal soul's way out of this nightmare and back to the Unconditional Love of the Great Spirit.

Yo Observer... I am not so sure I was able to correctly convey what I said by my comment "You gotta love it!" But what I attempted to convey was "You gotta be kidding me." Read the few sentences I wrote just above that and you might understand I was using sarcasm.

Also, and I tried to make this so, so clear... what I have done for my own process of freeing my soul (specifically by taking full responsibility for everything in my life) is simply and only what I did for myself. And I only reported that to me this appeared to be part of what is working for myself. It has nothing to do with anyone else's process. It should not have been taken as something I am implying is universally true.

So, let me make this clear - I am in no way accepting such realities as in the one you used in your example above - dead babies in mothers' arms. In addition, and what I tried to convey but will again strive to make clearer, its my opinion some of us (not all) may be here because we want to help. That we may have volunteered to incarnate to help others (in truth a selfish decision but I have covered that angle in previous posts and was pointed out to me by NancyV - thanks again, Nancy). That help may include being able to be in the right place at the right time that might prevent the scenario such that some mother be found holding her dead infant in her arms inside a bombed out shelter. All I pointed out was that I sensed that same possibility in you, observer.

I really try and be clear in what I write yet I still seem to fail at times.

We have yet again another "divide" which seems to have started with words, lovely words (sarcasm).

EDIT - I just read a subsequent post of yours and so now I am going to do something that you will likely perceive as attack but my purpose in so doing this is to point out how important it is when we write publicly that we consider carefully what we release to the public.

Here are two sentences you posted back to back -

"We are all - by the rules of karma - subject to the consequences of our life actions."

This is your opinion that there is a "rule" known as "karma" and you then explain what that rule means... that we are "subject to the consequences of our life actions."

In your very next sentence you state:

"Not a single one of us knows the rules by which we exist within this Prison Matrix."

You are within this "prison matrix," you tell us about karma and how it works and then you state no one within this prison matrix knows the rules. How could you be here and know the rule(s) of karma (if there is such a thing in the form you state) and then say no one here can know the rules?

In two back to back sentences, you appear to contradict yourself. When people are found to contradict themselves, the good points they make don't get through...

Now perhaps I am also misunderstanding you and if so, I apologize - again words... lovely words.

justone

[Chester]

Posted by Daughter of Time (here)

Posted by wynderer (here)

Posted by Daughter of Time (here)
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Well Wyn,

While it may be somewhat true that abductees are chosen because of their intelligence or psychic gifts or whatever other abilities, this does not make for an even remotely comforting thought. We should be able and allowed to use our intelligence, gifts and abilities for our own advancement and for the advancement of humanity, and not for the advancement of parasites and the debasement of our species.

hi Daughter of Time --

i agree that we should be allowed to freely use our gifts -- as i also think that this planet was intended by the Creator to be a paradise, & there should be no wars, no children being tortured & killed in rituals, no continuing mass slaughter of billions of animals every year, etc, etc

but this is the world we are living in now -- when i place my own personal abduction-messed -with life in the context of the bigger picture, i figure it's just my own personal little burden to carry here -- not fun, but, as i said, life on Earth at this time is not fun for many of us here, including the non-Human Animals

Wyn,

While it is true that many poor souls out there have suffered far worse fates than yours or mine and many carry far heavier burdens than yours or mine or anyone's here, our fates and burdens should never be accepted with complacency because if we should all feel that way, then they have won, completely, and we are nothing but willing slaves who will die by the hands of their cruel masters.

In an earlier post you said that you realize this is only one life. I conclude that you mean that you believe you'll have other chances in the future to create better lives. But if you don't try to free yourself from their manipulations, at whatever level you are capable of now, then guess what? Your future lives will not be any better! And next time around you'll once again say: this is only one life! And so you can go through millenia telling yourself that this is only one life and the next one will be better, and that's exactly what they want you to think. Don't give into that way of thinking! It will not serve you! You have to do what you can, now!

Please understand that I'm not judging you here. I'm not against you. I feel for what you've been through for although your journey may be been unlike mine in many ways, I do understand the suffering of an abductee because I am one too. But I'll never submissively accept it as a mere condition of living on earth. And while Terra may be a prison planet, I have to believe that prisons can be destroyed, that the gates can be opened, and that eventually we can be free. Those who imprison us may be powerful, but they manage to do what they do with tricks, and the tricks are slowly being exposed. And I refuse to believe that there is no hope for humankind. While others may believe it is foolish of me to feel that we can regain our birthrights to be free beings, if I believe that, then I'm doomed; I'll slide into a state of impotent depression and I will not give into that. If I'd given into that way of thinking, I don't think I would have survived what i've been through.

In another post you encouraged me to become a warrior. A warrior doesn't accept injustice of gargantuan proportions as what we are experiencing right now. A warrior fights for what is right. I don't know how to begin this fight. Right now I'm simply beginning with my intent to set myself free at whatever levels possible. Intent is the first step.

So Wyn, again, this is not criticism, but since you like to tell people to become warrior/esses, then be one yourself. I do realize you are unwell and maybe feel lost and incapable of executing any changes. Start by removing your apathy towards your condition. That would be one step in the right direction.

Observer's advice to prepare to leave the planet is a thoughtful and noble one, but most people are not ready to do that at the particular point in time. I don't know if it's possible to leave the planet by merely wishing it. I think that first the veils have to be removed, programmings have to be changed, feelings of victimization or complacency will have to be annihilated, complete understanding of the situation has to be reached, and if I should ever reach the point when all the above clutter is cleared, I think I'd want to stay here to enlighten others. It may be ridiculously naive of me to think this is possible, but if I had one wish, this is what my wish would be.

This was a great Post DoT... lovingly delivered. Thanks for reinforcing my own views (aimed at myself - not anyone else).

[Hervé]

On a different note and in the line of "archontic psychopathy," I posted this somewhere else:

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
[...]

Very similar understanding to my own of the whole genetic/DNA ooplah that's being force-fed all around in research and MSM under the guise of "It's all genetic" whether that be psychopathy, diseases, genialism, moronism, the whole of the psychiatric/psychology aberrations, etc... blame it on the body and its parents.

My bet is that, pretty soon, if not already in the works, they'll "discover" the "Christian gene" or the "Muslim" or "Budhist" ones. And with it, completely disconnect the being/spirit and its own programming from the biological body and denying "existence" to the "will" behind that body's expressed performance and abilities with the blanket statement: "Well, s/he was born that way." Which is the whole idea behind eugenics programs and agenda 21.

Well... there we go:

Scientific explanation of psychopathy cuts jail time
19:00 16 August 2012 by Jessica Hamzelou

Serial sex offender Raymond Henry Garland, considered one of Australia's most dangerous sexual predators, was officially diagnosed a psychopath last week. Psychiatrist Joan Lawrence told the Brisbane District Court that Garland had an "almost 100 per cent chance of violent reoffending." Garland has been dealt four indefinite sentences – but research out today suggests that biological evidence of psychopathy could alter the length of such sentences.

Brain scans and genetic tests are becoming a common feature of courtroom battles, as biological evidence is increasingly used to explain a person's criminal behaviour. For example, last year an Italian woman convicted of murdering her sister had her lifetime sentence reduced to 20 years on the basis of brain and genetic tests, which provided biological explanations for her aggressive behaviour.

Full article here: http://www.newscientist.com/article/...jail-time.html


Then... this:


From Internet Troll to Psychopathy Expert: The Con-Artistry of Thomas Sheridan
Niall Bradley and Joe Quinn, Sott.net, Sun, 19 Aug 2012 00:20 CDT

Compared to, say, ten years ago, a lot of people today are aware of and talking about psychopaths. On the one hand this is encouraging, but on the other, it's a little troubling. It is heartening to see awareness of psychopathy breach the mainstream frequency fence here and there, but the signal-to-noise ratio, as with all knowledge relevant to the growth and survival of decent human beings, remains high on the 'noise' side. We see ridiculous studies in the news portraying psychopaths as curable and articles making the rounds about how not having a Facebook account may indicate that someone is a psychopath. We've also seen Twitter being touted as a tool for 'spotting psychopaths' and, just today, news that the US justice system is considering acceptance of biological evidence that someone is a genetic psychopath in court with a view to using it to mitigate the sentences of criminal offenders. The reasoning being that psychopaths can't help being psychopaths, that they lack free will and therefore they bear diminished responsibility for their crimes.

Well, yeah, that's exactly why they need to be held under lock and key permanently.

Full article here: http://www.sott.net/articles/show/24...homas-Sheridan

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Both are misdirects since in either case, in Steve Richards' words:

These beings come and take over, ‘party time, yee‐ha!’ But they’re leaving you to hold the bag. They jump out because they don’t want to take responsibility because human bodies are subject to pain and suffering. They’d rather jump in, have fun and leave you holding the bag. This is your free will and choice. If you choose to go out and get drunk, if you choose to go and get on the drugs, if you choose to open the doorways, then you’re choosing to be in their game. And you’re subject to laws of their game. Simple. Make changes.

All they'll do is jail or medicate a "container" with its original "spirit" stuck in it and totally bewildered while the real culprits are already on the prawl for their next "container" calling out for spirit guides or their "higher self"...

[Chester]

Posted by WhiteCrowBlackDeer (here)
Hello All, this was posted this on another thread. It's hard to figure out the pulse and main theme on this thread partly because I don't check in often enough.

Though, I'd wager a guess that it's not a "Mooji kind of place". He does raise some points that were covered on this thread. For what it's worth, it may hit a helpful cord for some.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=7yk0ANlMmgI

source:https://youtube.com/watch?v=7yk0ANlMmgI

WoW - what a great video! I did not hear one thing with which I did not fully agree. I love how this guy delivered his thoughts... Thanks WhiteCrowBlackDeer

[9eagle9]

Knowing others is wisdom;
Knowing the self is enlightenment.
Mastering others requires force;
Mastering the self requires strength;
He who knows he has enough is rich.
Perseverance is a sign of will power.
He who stays where he is endures.
To die but not to perish is to be eternally present.

Posted by heyokah (here)

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
Some people are busy doing something about as opposed to those who actually do something about.

True words aren’t eloquent;
eloquent words aren’t true.
Wise men don’t need to prove their point;
men who need to prove their point aren’t wise.

The Master has no possessions.
The more he does for others,
the happier he is.
The more he gives to others,
the wealthier he is.

The Tao nourishes by not forcing.
By not dominating, the Master leads.

Tao Te Ching, verse 81

[wynderer]

the below is from ufochick, aka Dana , from a link on Duncan O'Finiaon's blog

http://www.ufochick.com/

Hello and Welcome Off Planet Radio Listeners!
Thanks for stopping by! As I began doing some basic prep work for my interview with Randy I discovered something. I have missing blog posts!! Important posts, just GONE!
Now where they went I do not know. I know I wrote them, I know I posted them. Did they just disapear into cyber land? Did I erase them and not remember it? (possible but not probable), were they erased on purpose? I honestly don't know. What I do know is the removal of them has left holes in my story.

I have not decided if I will be working to fill them in, in the meanwhile I decided a time line might be helpful to those who will be hearing part of the story this week (two hours won't handle even a fraction of what has happened to me).

My first remembered experience with other life forms was in the 90s. It is the oldest post on the blog. It was an egg removal procedure. I woke on the table. It left me frightened, confused and with an attitude of complete avoidance of anything to do with ETs/UFOs. I think one of two things happen after such an experience, either the person dives into the topic head first guns blazing or they do the opposite, complete avoidance. Avoidance was my choice until 2009. Then the current saga began.

I do believe in hindsight I was being "used" during the years inbetween. False pregnancies, becoming horribly ill for no reason then the malady simply disapearing and other indicators were there. I just did not have the frame of reference to see what those experiences really were.

In 2009 the nightmare began, well I wish it had been a nightmare I guess I should say the "Hell" began. I was led (Isn't it amazing how things happen when they are supposed to?) to a local mufon group. Met a wonderful lady who is still a good friend and discovered I was being marked. The floursescent markings were appearing overnight.

I began to keep records. As I look back I think it was the record keeping that led to the violent reaction I received from my .... hmmmm... my what? abusers? No. Um.... captors? no....... ok, from those with a vested interest in me. That works.

The more I recorded, the more I took photos the more I documented the more aggressive the actions against me were. What I didn't know at the time was that my being able to record all this, examine myself every morning, take physical samples and remember things was very rare. I assumed everyone could do these things. I later learned most people cannot.

I went through months of physical agony. Things touching me when no one was there, I could feel needles, operations, bones being broken and then I began waking up so raped I could not physically walk upright in the morning. As I look back I believe "they" (I did not know at that point who "they" were) were trying to basically make me so unstable I would stop my recording and searching for answers. Now it might have worked except for a few things. One, I had the markings, two they left scars, and three myself and others could actually see my flesh move beneith unseen fingers and instruments when the torture was going on. My friends and family could actually see the flesh and muscles be manipulated as the worked. The one thing I had going for me was they could not hold me frozen. I did everything in my power to fight back, I used astral energy against them, I tried physical barriers, I tried mental barriers, energy force fields I created around myself nothing helped.

I spent 3-5 months basically flat on my back with unreal torture going on and as it went on, I got angrier and angrier.

Then one morning I woke and I had had enough, something in me snapped. I woke and got up and screamed at the top of my lungs I had had enough, that they could NOT Beat me down and informed the cosmos that any Being who harmed me from that point onward was going to feel the full fury of my wrath.

That night I awoke in my energy body laying beside a reptilian Being on a bed with 2 greys mentally holding me down. I broke lose and attacked, I tried to kill the bastard with my bare hands, then I was back in my physcial body feeling the reptilian slam my energy body's head into a wall, I laughed and taunted him. Suddenly my energy body came back, I was whole, elated and triumphant. I had recognized the whole setup, this was where I had been raped over and over.. I was never raped again.

The other torture continued however and even stepped up in pain and abuse. I finally determined that my ethic/energy body was being removed for hours at a time each day leaving me very ill and weak for the duration. I learned to recognize the feeling when it happened. It was like a vacuum, an energy vacumm was placed over the top of me and my energy was simply removed. I fought, I fought like a crazed animal but no matter how hard I tried the technolgy was too much for me. I could not hold against it.

As this was going on I experienced direct contact with another reptilian entity. Again my consciousness woke in my energy body. I was strapped in chair and undergoing electrical shocks. Suffice to say I now know what a silent scream is.

After weeks/months of this, I don't know how long, I was drained, exhausted and thinking perhaps it was time for me to leave this matrix. Each day 24/7 was full of nothing but terrible pain. I had NO answers. I had contacted every expert I could find, most responded and knew nothing. How long could I continue to fight? I didn't know.

Then one night it began for the 3rd time that day, the upward pull which meant more throwing up, complete weakness, not even being able to keep water down and the headache that felt like your head was exploding. I began to fight and fight hard and something in me gave.

Now all through this I had asked for help, help from any Service to Others Being. If I had gottten an answer or any help I mised it. I just sat in my chair and said outloud that I had done everything I could, that I didn't have the technology or strength to stop this so I was giving it over to the cosmos and if any service to others being could help me I would appreciate it.

That's when the "good guys" showed up, or perhaps made themselves known. They stopped the extraction of my energy body that day and from then on. At first I was too injured in many ways to accept that the Beings who showed up to help me were the "good guys" but over the last couple of years I have decided they are truly that, the "good guys". It has been a long hard road to get to that trust. They have put up with an amazing amount as I have tested them in every way I could imagine.

The reptilian harrassment continued in different ways for awhile. But it was stuff I could deal with. When it was obvious they had failed to break my will they made a last effort and tried to bribe me to "join" them (aka give over my will). Obviously I refused.

I have had contact with the good guys for a couple, well going on 3 years now. It's limitedto my asking yes or no questions and getting a yes, no or neutral but it is very consistant. I would not have believed it was real but other people have physically experienced them also. Their touch is electrical and they will show themselves by touch if I ask them to to other people. It's amazing to watch when they touch others, the person just lights up and is amazed, it always make me smile. They have also corrected health issues for me and actually erased large scars, again something confirmed by other people.

So there is my story in a nutshell. I have spent the last years trying to help other people through different types of contact and the reality changes that go with it all and trying to adjust my matrix programming as I go along. It's been good and bad but at least I made it through.

[RunningDeer]

Posted by justoneman (here)

Posted by WhiteCrowBlackDeer (here)
Hello All, this was posted this on another thread. It's hard to figure out the pulse and main theme on this thread partly because I don't check in often enough.

Though, I'd wager a guess that it's not a "Mooji kind of place". He does raise some points that were covered on this thread. For what it's worth, it may hit a helpful cord for some.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=7yk0ANlMmgI

source:https://youtube.com/watch?v=7yk0ANlMmgI

WoW - what a great video! I did not hear one thing with which I did not fully agree. I love how this guy delivered his thoughts... Thanks WhiteCrowBlackDeer

Psych! You are welcome and thank you, JustOneMan...

[Daughter of Time]

Wyn,

Thank you for your story.

Do you know who the good guys are?

Did they tell you where they come from?

Did they inform you as to why you were targeted in the first place?

Did they give you any clues as to why they waited so long to show up to help you?

We know a lot about the bad guys, so if you have any information to share about the good guys, it would be welcome.

[Bill Ryan]

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[Mod hat on]

A quick note, not intending to interrupt the conversation. I've deleted a few posts which I saw as not contributing to the quality and value of this near-unique and very important thread. (Paul has also deleted a couple of others.)

I reserve the right to make unilateral decisions about which contributions don't properly belong here, and I will delete other posts if I consider that they're counter to the overall intention, direction and quality of the thread.

[7eagle14]

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
You cannot empower yourself consciously, it is the psyche , the conscious compromise that is the problem.
The next problem is that people think their consciousness is spirit.
So in attempting to empower one's self spiritually they are unwittingly using the consciousness to do so, as they do not know the difference.

If you don't mind could you take a moment and define those terms? I fear my own assumptions are warping what you're trying to convey and I'd like to understand further.
If I assume that there are basically 3 things that make up my "self-awareness" ...

1) me before I shrank myself into a physical body - my high self - the thing is is truly me
2) my bodies ego - the thing in my bodies brain that thinks "I am." - the part of my body that wants power over others
3) my bodies consciousness - the self aware thing that is experiencing/learning about being a physical thing - the consciousness that is driving the bodies needs/desires

... then which of your terms apply to that model?

Or, if I'm not being to imposing, do you have a different model of the things/consciousness that make up our "self-awareness" that your more comfortable with? One with your own terms and explanations? Is mine too simplistic?

[heyokah]

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
Knowing others is wisdom;
Knowing the self is enlightenment.
Mastering others requires force;
Mastering the self requires strength;
He who knows he has enough is rich.
Perseverance is a sign of will power.
He who stays where he is endures.
To die but not to perish is to be eternally present.

Posted by heyokah (here)

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
Some people are busy doing something about as opposed to those who actually do something about.

True words aren’t eloquent;
eloquent words aren’t true.
Wise men don’t need to prove their point;
men who need to prove their point aren’t wise.

The Master has no possessions.
The more he does for others,
the happier he is.
The more he gives to others,
the wealthier he is.

The Tao nourishes by not forcing.
By not dominating, the Master leads.

Tao Te Ching, verse 81

Thanks, 9 times 9 (makes 81).

You QUOTED here verse 33 of the Tao Te Ching. Just for the record.

Mine was the last verse, nr 81, the final one.....


I was just offering you some heyokah medicine LOL


**** Hope this reply will NOT be deleted this time....

NOTE

Out of respect for Bill and the forum I will not let myself be provoked nor tricked into any further discussion.

[wynderer]

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[9eagle9]

Yours is a pretty adept telling of it but there is a caveat to keep in mind....peoples understanding of higher self and consciousness is often on just a thought level. Not an expression or demonstration of higher self. Like when I run out of gas and I'm hiking to the gas station that's an expression of my mind. My minder, the artificial installation that is open to influence has led me to believe that is the only solution based on memories and past experience.

We see this in our relationships. People often convey themselves as 'open minded, happy, easy going' and then you get exposed through time to them and you know what they are saying about themselves is just a 'thought', how they think of themselves rather than how they actually are.

The people who claim to be most open minded usually aren't because its just a thought, an adjective they've plastered on themselves, because it sounds better than narrow or rigid minded or robotic.

The spirit allows one to drive on to the gas station because it transcends what we PERCEIVE to be physical limitations.

It is sometimes difficult to convey in words and thoughts because those are contrivances of the consciousness, and these different states of existence that we are talking about. Our true circumstances and the false one.

If you are in state of awareness rather than consciousness its hard to have a conversation . Awareness finds most anything consciousness conveys as not the truth, and the consciousness and the ego resists anything the spirit has to say.


If I run out of gas, and then am able to drive to the gas station that's an expression of spirit. It transcends our perceived physical limitations. "Thinking" I can do something is one thing. Thinking something should happen regardless if it does or not are functions of consciousness. Having it expressed and demonstrated is another.


The higher self shows itself in expression and demonstration. It doesn't have to rely on memories, ideas, thoughts, beliefs stored in any aspect of the consciousness because it knows, in the moment, in the present. It shows rather than tells.

If you put something to spirit it doesn't talk back and convey a bunch of instructions, whatever is put to it just happens.

Consciousness is necessary to navigate this 3d physical world. It has been compromised though, one to separate us. We have a collective consciousness , yet we are seemingly separate from each other. Divide and conquer.

Consciousness is surface awareness composed of ego, information from our five material senses are conveyed theree--and often re-translated. Its attic is the subconscious, that which is not known to us, in immediate awareness. It's more or less an artificial energy or has at least been made that way through external contamination. Better understood as the ego with its operating drivers-emotional and mental bodies. Cognitive or conscious of. What you call numbers 2 and 3.

There's other drivers in this aspect of ourselves. In hypnosis there's an called the critical barrier that disallows certain information externally .It doesn't distinguish from lies or truth and will accept anything as long as it has heard something similar before. An aspect of the subconscious.

It shuts down internally given information that may be our higher self or intuition speaking.

Throw the soul in there and you have psyche.

The spirit is what gives us animation, that uncontaminated awareness. One may experience its brand of awareness in altered states of consciousness, like when they not conscious--. Like when is asleep and out of body. There is a distinct difference during this time. We may have conscious recall after we have an out of body experience, but consciousness is not present during these times. AWARENESS is, there is no thought, just choices, there's no "I" present. There are no memories during these episodes because one is in the present and not being tempted into the past.

These are seemingly all one component until one makes a crack or division in consciousness. We have the ability to drive the ego nuts till it goes beserk because it not being attended to, its not driving or navigating us. When that happens a division happens and one can be be CONSCIOUS of spirit or awareness. We typically are not conscious of it because consciousness and the ego are so up front and loud overwhelming everything.

If one removes programs, beliefs and stops paying attention to their thoughts, their memories (what holds us in the past) then the spirit can begin to permeate consciousness. This causes all sorts of changes in a person including physical appearance, level of intelligence, expression.

It also causes conflict because the spirit doesn't agree (doesn't make agreements) to what is going on in the consciousness and its components. It won't acknowledge the ego -- that is when you begin express other facets of yourself, you have different dimensions you are composed of, and you can move back and forth through them to move through different dimensions of yourself to a higher space.

A very obvious example of this is writing on a forum. We are relating in a one dimensional way, that the consciousness grasps on to and re-translates based on its comfort level, memories, past experiences and wounds. Things are prejudiced or contaminated in that way. I am always amazed at the reactions people have with each other based on nothing more than events that occurred before the parties involved ever encountered each other.

People who have done a lot of clearing of consciousness and allow their spiritual expression to come through can have non conflicting exchanges in this way. That does not mean they are agreeing with each other. It means there's no conflict present in spite of the disagreement.

This is easily demonstrated, if you leave the post hypnotics and scripting out of hypnosis you can just put a person back behind all this conscious clutter and put them in a place of spirit. I have publicly, with an audience, and the change in the person is very apparent. The first thing the audience wants to do is re-translate what is happening. It doesn't suffice that the person is in a state of spirit, they want to correct the circumstances based on their consciousness. "Oh they are channeling an angel," or some other belief is being imposed on what is a very pure and uncontaminated circumstance.

You go out of the state of hypnosis and into where you belong. Then you have a common frame of reference to work with.

When I sat in this state, with an audience, I started laughing. I laughed for 20 minutes and the audience got uneasy. Why is she laughing at me? It was not what they expected, not what their minds told them it should be, but just what it was.

I wasn't it had nothing to do with them other than consciousness is threatened by spirit.

And you can't correct people and say, the person is not channeling anything they are NOW out of hypnosis and in a state closer to their natural existence.

The ego does not like to be corrected. The spirit has no need of corrections. There's our conflict.

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Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
You cannot empower yourself consciously, it is the psyche , the conscious compromise that is the problem.
The next problem is that people think their consciousness is spirit.
So in attempting to empower one's self spiritually they are unwittingly using the consciousness to do so, as they do not know the difference.

If you don't mind could you take a moment and define those terms? I fear my own assumptions are warping what you're trying to convey and I'd like to understand further.
If I assume that there are basically 3 things that make up my "self-awareness" ...

1) me before I shrank myself into a physical body - my high self - the thing is is truly me
2) my bodies ego - the thing in my bodies brain that thinks "I am." - the part of my body that wants power over others
3) my bodies consciousness - the self aware thing that is experiencing/learning about being a physical thing - the consciousness that is driving the bodies needs/desires

... then which of your terms apply to that model?

Or, if I'm not being to imposing, do you have a different model of the things/consciousness that make up our "self-awareness" that your more comfortable with? One with your own terms and explanations? Is mine too simplistic?