Horus-Ra as the Archontic Alien Parasite: A follow-up interview with Maarit

[wynderer]

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[heyokah]

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
8 plus 1 equals 9.

I offer you my last heyokah medicine:

Verse 9 of the Tao Te Ching.....

http://mydescentintomadness.wordpres...ching-verse-9/


To keep on filling

is not as good as stopping.

Overfilled, the cupped hands drip.

Better stop short than fill to the brim.

Over sharpen the blade,

and the edge will soon blunt.

Amass a store of gold and jade,

and no one can protect it.

Claim wealth, titles, honor and pride,

and disaster will follow.

Retire when the work is done.

This is the way of heaven.

[Chester]

Posted by Daughter of Time (here)
Wyn,

Thank you for your story.

Do you know who the good guys are?

Did they tell you where they come from?

Did they inform you as to why you were targeted in the first place?

Did they give you any clues as to why they waited so long to show up to help you?

We know a lot about the bad guys, so if you have any information to share about the good guys, it would be welcome.

Thank You DoT, and this is (in my opinion) the very most important question to get answers about. I highly respect Truman Cash and his experience (as far as he has reported upon) is sans of any "good guys" though he recently established what he characterized as a "good relationship" with a Gray (I have seen some folks use "Grey" and have no clue which one is more correct).

Anyways, based on my experience which has been almost and only what seems to be "non-physical interventions" and though one particular "personality" I came to know always came across as quite wise and never lied to me nor ever caused me harm from my best perception and perspective, I am of the opinion as of now that there are likely no benevolent non physical, non human nor non earth born human beings that are interacting with us earth born human beings.

I want to believe there are! And in fact, I want to so, so badly that I won't believe there are unless I have a direct experience with one that is.

Even this one, isolated voice I have been able to communicate with, I am highly skeptical about because a.) it is just a voice and b.) how do I know this voice is not also one of the other voices which did lead me to harm myself?

So I am extremely skeptical there are any "good guys" at this point in time.

Having said all that, there are folks I highly respect who have recanted experiences that I interpret to suggest there are indeed good guys. In some cases, these folks I highly respect stated they believed whole heartedly these were good guys.

I hope one day to know for certain myself and I hope that what I know would be that there are. justoneman

[Chester]

Posted by heyokah (here)

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
Knowing others is wisdom;
Knowing the self is enlightenment.
Mastering others requires force;
Mastering the self requires strength;
He who knows he has enough is rich.
Perseverance is a sign of will power.
He who stays where he is endures.
To die but not to perish is to be eternally present.

Posted by heyokah (here)

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
Some people are busy doing something about as opposed to those who actually do something about.

True words aren’t eloquent;
eloquent words aren’t true.
Wise men don’t need to prove their point;
men who need to prove their point aren’t wise.

The Master has no possessions.
The more he does for others,
the happier he is.
The more he gives to others,
the wealthier he is.

The Tao nourishes by not forcing.
By not dominating, the Master leads.

Tao Te Ching, verse 81

Thanks, 9 times 9 (makes 81).

You QUOTED here verse 33 of the Tao Te Ching. Just for the record.

Mine was the last verse, nr 81, the final one.....


I was just offering you some heyokah medicine LOL


**** Hope this reply will NOT be deleted this time....

NOTE

Out of respect for Bill and the forum I will not let myself be provoked nor tricked into any further discussion.

I appreciated your Post heyokah. I also have and continue to learn lots from the Tao Te Ching.

[9eagle9]

Nice, well I had a notion my work wasn't yet completed.

Posted by heyokah (here)

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
8 plus 1 equals 9.

Last heyokah medicine:

Verse 9 of the Tao Te Ching.....

http://mydescentintomadness.wordpres...ching-verse-9/

[Bill Ryan]

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[9eagle9]

I want to believe there are! And in fact, I want to so, so badly that I won't believe there are unless I have a direct experience with one that is.

We all want to believe there are. We all like to believe that something is looking out for us . It' s a nice feeling. But WHY do we have that yearning to have something looking out for us, watching our back, looking out for our best interests. There's a lot of reasons why we so 'badly' want to have this experience.


For a person who is spiritually healthy and expressive that is a nice feeling.....SOMETIMES. It means someone is being in empathy with you. If it's constant, the entity doing the managing becomes annoying (or depressing depending on what sort of temperment you have). It then becomes a form of judgement. People who are always trying to care take me and wipe my butt are judging me. Or fix things for me, or arrange things. It becomes this cloying dense energy. One learns the difference between honesty and contrivance. One knows when they are given an honest compliment and when someone is sucking up to them to get brownie points. One is a nice thing, the other is just gross dense energy as they impose their gross dense consciousness on you....in my arrogant opinion.

Why this need to have something watch over us. Because ...None of us were parented appropriately, none of us. Some were parented more appropriately than others, yes. Some were parented more inappropriately than others. Some of us were parented in completely inappropriate ways, and some were not parented at all.

But basically none of us were parented to be fully functional spiritually inhabited beings. Because our parents weren't.This is not to say we all had bad parents. But most of our parents raised us to be beings of only a 3d, physical world.

But it doesn't stop there...Going a step back most us were not even conceived optimally. If some among us were, it was by accident and not intent. The Original bloodlines or races knew that conception was not something was supposed to be random or accidental, it was an circumstance that was conducted under optimal conditions, mental, physically, alchemically, spiritually. I've posted on this before so I won't go into graphic detail about it but , there are optimal conditions for conception that result in a being infused from the get go to be inclined to be more spiritually expressive than physically and consciously repetitive.

The Vatican by the way sullied that knowledge and made it evil. I very much doubt that was accidental.

Now I was discussing this one day with a woman I was talking too and she said RIGHT AFTER I brought this concept (that was previously unbeknownst to her), she told me she thought she was conceived in optimal conditions. Okay one, the reason she was seeing me in the first place is both of her parents had really bad sexual issues, so I'm thinking based only on that she wasn't conceived optimally.... but it sounded good to her so she latched on to it and that becomes her reality. Now she has no reason to clear out what her parent's peculiar sexual ideology had compromised her with. She has this comforting 'thought' ,not an actual clear reality. It doesn't matter what she thinks about herself, she was not optimally conceived or parented. If she was....she wouldn't be seeing me in the first place, I'd be seeking counsel from her.

Anyone care to notice how astrology plays into that. Optimal conception? Astrology came along after we stopped optimal conception practices. Or rather the consciousness began dicking around with the way we conceived. Astrology can be used as a means to correct this but instead its turned into a labeling device to reinforce that we were not conceived (and thus born) under optimal circumstances. Astrology btw is loaded with conditions.

I don't know of another spiritual person who can care take me that way that we expect non physical benevolent entities. They may be do it some of the time, part of the time, pop up now and again and do it sometimes. We tend to have a lot of expectations of non physical entities that we put in our relationships. Watch out for me. And to a certain extent we do look out for the best interests of those we associate with but we can't be 24 hour care takers, fixers, problem solvers., guides, dispensers of wisdom, truth, and clarity.

We want something from them that we feel that we lack, but we don't lack it, our conditions have made us unable to know we are experiencing them.

There is always this expectation out there that something should keep you safe, keep you comfortable, to provide to you what you feel you lack--wisdom, direction, guidance--we are not lacking those things, consciousness is preventing us from experiencing them EVEN AS THEY ARE HAPPENING, demonstrating, and expressing.

This 'keep me safe' paradigm is very destructive. It doesn't allow people to experience. It's not YOU the spirit that needs to be kept safe, its the consciousness, the ego.

When I teach riding lessons I see the ego at work. The person, the spirit, wants to have the experience of a spirited animal but the ego is like "Oh my just look at this animal, I can't control it, I can't manipulate it, it could kill the vessel I dominate and then where would I be?! " The ego is very afraid.

Horses don't have the same sort of consciousness we have. You can sit on a horse and cry and have a fit of anger, and call it names, and insult it and it simply passes right through, the horse does not care one minute that you are angry and crying. It doesn't feed the ego. It doesn't even notice it. Whatever. Horses are very good with the 'whatever'.

I don't see that so much in kids unless the parents have really compromised them. They just have the experience.

But I see that A LOT in working with horses. People want to choose a horse that keeps them safe and they don't exist. Just because the horse was responsive and didn't do anything to spook them they think they horse is safe, a baby sitter, and consistently want to ride that horse...until eventually the horse does something to spook them and thats it for the horse. Horses only respond and or react to what we put out there for them to follow instructions on. If you pull back on your reins, keep your hands low, bringing elbows behind the waist, and keep pulling ..the horse stops. If you get mad or scared and scream for it to stop it won't stop. It doesn't care, its expecting an appropriate response to what it is doing.

If you pull once and the horse doesn't respond, keep pulling. If you stop pulling before you get the desired response you won't get the desired response.

If you fling your hands up to your chest, and yank once the horse ignores you, it has no idea what you are saying to it. It may stop because its confused. Or it may run away because its confused. Now you've given your power away. All your choices gone because....you were depending on something else to make them for you instead of doing what you KNOW to do. How many people have watched tv for a fifty years, and KNOW that you stop a horse by saying whoa, and pulling on the reins.

You wouldn't believe how much of that simple knowingness flies out the window under compromised conditions.

Now...this is where the external guidance part fails. It doesn't' matter that I am a completely benevolent well intentioned entity in the riding arena, and I tell a student to pull on the left rein, pull on the left rein, pull on the left rein. I can repeat it five thousand times but they are in compromised mode and won't listen to a word of wisdom that will correct what is going wrong. In actuality the only going wrong is that they won't pull on the left rein. So it does no good for me to be a benevolent well intentioned physical being. I doubt being non physical would fix that much.

Spirit often places that the consciousness percieves is unsafe. So we don't go there, that place we need to go, where true wisdom, true guidance, true anything exists. I can only say that I wasted a lot of time ignoring facets of myself seeking out the wisdom, and guidance of other beings perceiving they were some how greater than my own.

[wynderer]

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[Chester]

Apologies up front for the monster post... I hope the readers will hang with it.

Some who may have followed my story... which is my style of posting - to share my experiences, my outer world journey and to share my inner reflections based on these experiences... and you may recall the troubles my son, Reid, found himself caught up in and which is ongoing.

Now that I have had some time between since these troubles came to my attention (Friday morning, July 20th) I would like to share some more about this.

Amzer Zo, sometime in late June or early July, began to post about the conspiratorial (and thus some may reject) possibility that a few decades or so back some of those who have been guiding the western world’s popular music industry may have met with some of the owners of the emerging private prison industry and made a deal such that the music industry would intentionally steer the general public into a direction which would result in an increase in crimes which then would allow the criminal justice system the ability to incarcerate a significantly larger percentage of the western world population and thus create additional, vast profits for the owners of these private prisons.

My son, Reid, is a perfect example of someone who, for whatever reasons within himself, got caught up in that fly trap and is dealing with his new reality inside the Dallas County jail at this very moment.

When he was three years old I would ask him this question. “Where is God?” He would answer, “Everywhere...” stretching his arms out so wide and with the most beautiful, innocent and optimistic delivery. I would then ask him, “What does God listen to?” And he would answer, “He listens to your heart” as he would point to his physical heart.

Not part of this story, but when my sons were still young, Reid being only 7, 8 and 9 years old, I went through a true “War of the Roses” style episode with my first wife. I was very, very ill. And yet I was awarded full custody of my sons at the end of that segment of the ordeal. That can only happen for a man in this current world when the woman has sunk so much further as happened in our case. My lawyer told me that for the court system in Curacao to make such a decision is less than one in a million, and I was truly, very ill when the process of review began – being totally honest.

Why I mention those facts is that my son, Reid, loved (and that love has never changed) his mother deeply and was very attached to her. He has carried this wound ever since. When I met him at jail a few weeks ago I asked him, “Reid... what is it within you that has you so tormented?” He replied, “Dad, I really believe I have never gotten over that Mom chose drugs and the streets over us (meaning him and his two brothers).”

I had always expressed my opinion that she was sick and that one day she would chose to come back to our world and so please, understand she really had no choice and see how through understanding you might not feel judgment and thus not even have to deal with the “forgiveness game” as I saw it.

But we all have the right to our feelings and thoughts and I honored what he told me and I once again expressed my view that she was consumed by something more powerful than herself and added my newest understandings about these non physical entities that were likely involved. But one thing I have come to know about Reid is that he only trusts himself, his own opinions and he will hopefully find his way to move through his issue there and emerge out the other side and be the better for it.

Anyways, after the divorce I was given David Icke’s, the Biggest Secret, and my world immediately went upside down. Within one year I had a library of over 300 books, all of which I had ordered from the same online bookstore David Icke sold his works through – this was back in 2002 and 2003. I read everything you can imagine. I ordered books I didn’t read until several years later. One was Eve Lorgen’s Love Bite. I tried to read it, but I was so much into the pain of having lost my true love, my son’s mother, that it was too hard to read much of her book in those early days. I just couldn’t handle it.

Why I mentioned my library, which began to include books on all the spiritual traditions, books by Ken Wilber. At least a dozen or so books by Krishnamurti just to name a few, was because at age 11 or so, Reid began to read from books in my library. We began to explore Buddhism and The Tao. he read some of Peter Moon’s works (I had them all, beginning with his first, The Montauk Project, Experiments in Time). All my sons read all of David Icke’s books along the way. But Reid would be the most proactive in discussing his views and I was so, so happy that my sons had such open minds and such high levels of interest.

I gave each of them their own laptop and free and full access to the internet and they did all their own research. I consciously made myself stay as much out of their way as I could.

Then my oldest, Stephen, and soon after, Reid, discovered marijuana and alcohol. Stephen was 15 and Reid 13. Based on the reality that their mother and father (me) both had clear, serious issues with drugs and alcohol and that it was in all sides of our families from our parents to our grandparents, etc. I knew their future journey would encounter some rough spots and I knew I had to let them go “through” their experiences. And they still are, Stephen dealing with a DUI charge he received just before his 21st birthday and Reid’s situation which alcohol, marijuana and illegally obtained prescription drugs - xanax and hydrocodone were what he was on that July 11th night when he went on his gun toting spree (again, thankfully he never fired a shot).

Here is the last piece I need to introduce. My ex wife had chosen to become a street person on the island of Curacao in late 2002 (while the custody issue was still pending). She had been placed (by her mother through the Curacao court system) in a psychiatric facility in Curacao in early 2003 and escaped and the authorities threw up their hands. She was on crack and without saying the words, you can assume some of the things she would do to obtain the crack. She even lived under a tree for almost a year.

As fate would have it in the summer of 2005, a young girl named Natalee Holloway disappeared while vacationing on the next island over, Aruba. A few days later, policeman in Curacao saw my ex and thought it might have been Ms. Holloway. He picked her up and brought her in. My ex was able to convince them she was not Ms Holloway and they released her back onto the streets. A day later, someone with a brain higher up in the police department realized my ex could develop into the same monster Aruba was suddenly facing (a PR nightmare and terrible for their tourist industry) and so they went out and grabbed her and deported her back to the states where she had criminal charges waiting on her in Texas. Somehow she was able to obtain probation, stay out of jail for the next three years, pull herself out of that deep dark hole enough that she got a hair cutting license and turned her all but hopeless life around.

By this time we were living in Panama, she was in Texas and the boys were able to establish a chat and skype relationship with her.

In the summer of 2008 she came to panama and was able to visit with our sons for a week (I took care of her hotel and gave them spending money and they stayed with her at her hotel for the whole week). Sadly though, she still had serious resentments concerning me and still does to this day. Regardless, I stayed away from the temptation of placing our sons in the middle.

The next summer, the summer of 2009, my sons came to me and asked if they could move to Texas with their Mom. They loved me dearly but they had no life in Panama and they never got connected into the culture. I was remarried by then but was in a marriage dynamic where Cristina would spend a month with me in Panama and then return for a month to be with her daughter in Medellin, Colombia.

I was faced with being alone and it was very hard to let my sons go to Texas. I still had concerns about their Mom but because I was a product of a divorce and because I had the experience of wanting to be with my dad but was not allowed (until I created the solution by getting kicked out of school!) I honored their request, saved up the money and bought their tickets to Dallas (August of 2009).

Why all the background? Because I am hoping the reader can understand that it was my perspective that my sons would perhaps escape the traps of life in America. Especially Reid, the way beyond his years regarding what we call spirituality son. In fact, the oldest, Stephen, was also quite tuned in. Yet I also knew the risks based on their genetic inheritance in relation to drugs and alcohol.
Since my two oldest son’s real world troubles, I have gone through the second guessing about allowing them to go to Dallas. Their Mom hooked up with a new boyfriend just after they arrived and they all moved to a home to live together. the new boyfriend is a “gun guy” and owns guns and taught my sons all about guns. I don’t blame him for what Reid did in any way. The world is the world. I just deal with some regret as I am a “no gun in my life” person and my sons were never exposed to guns (even play guns as children).

But what started well before my sons left Panama was their love for the rapper style music and specifically the gangster style lyrics. I never restricted what they wanted to listen to. In addition and because the two oldest had been kicked out of their last two schools (marijuana) I had no options but to home school them in Panama. We lived in a 33 story building in the center of town on the 33rd floor. An incredible view but a prison for my sons. They joined the World of Warcraft site and spent half their time consumed in computer games. they made no effort to make any friends and so you can imagine my sadness at their situation, so their desire to move to Dallas, live in a home that had a yard and neighbors, go to the local school where they could meet folks and make friends, I just could not deny their request even though I also knew what they would be up against in going to the big, bad city.

OK, the background has been laid for the points I wanted to make... the reason for this post. Again, apologies for the long, long story but I believe it is important the reader of this post have this background so as to understand the rest of what I am about to post.

It could be viewed that Reid is a victim of several things. One of them is to blame the possibility that what Amzer Zo suggested (I believe to recall that Zo obtained his information from Henry Makow’s site) is responsible for Reid’s current issue. I could blame the genetic inheritance which places the odds on his having issues with drugs and alcohol much higher than for others (and this is clearly statistically supported). I could blame my parenting approach as I treated my sons almost like we were simply 4 brothers, me just being the oldest and that I allowed my sons all but total free reign to do as they please, pursue what they please, etc. I only had one rule, we all always be truthful and honest with each other. There were times my sons were afraid to be but they always ended up telling me everything, most importantly their views and their why’s behind their views and thus were able to explain their actions with little to no fear other than what their own egos caused them.

I sense I just tried to justify how I chose to parent my sons and that clearly reveals I am still dealing with some regrets there.

I never supported the view that Reid is a victim of his mother’s choices and proactively always spoke to him from the view she was simply up against some serious issues and as I learned more I began to introduce the possibility she has been dealing with powerful, non-physical entities.

Still, to keep from straying too far from my point, I have stayed away from the temptation to view my son’s situation from the perspective that he is in any way a victim. I also equally never participated in conversations with Reid such that the victim possibility held any merit. Did we explore the possibilities that outside influences could have played some role? Absolutely. But I never left the conversation without stating my opinion (understand... only my opinion) that Reid is ultimately responsible for his life’s circumstances when it is clear his thoughts and deeds played a role in the creation of his circumstances. He has remained open to that sort of view and based on the two visits I had with him at his jail on July 26th and August 2nd, I could see not only was he sobering up physically, but he was facing his issues head on and was accepting his role in the creation of his current dilemma.

I will admit that what happened with Reid was in the top three most difficult experiences in my life. Those have been the zero choice decision I had to make and enact when I divorced my sons’ mother, the suicide (or suiciding) of my father when I was 21 and Reid’s gun toting terror spree. Note, these three are above my own suicide attempts 8 moths back and the three month total despair depression I only came out of on April 26th (the day I found this thread).

I had not yet been able to write Reid a letter until two days ago. Because I am in Costa Rica, I decided it was best to write it and e-mail it to my sister so she could mail it to Reid as that is the only way he can receive a physical letter and I wanted this to be something he could keep and read again if he wanted whenever he wanted.

Here is what I wrote to Reid (only editing out names of a few folks assisting with his situation).


Dear Reid,

I love you so much. I believe I understand what you have gone through. I don’t judge you as bad at all in any way whatsoever. In fact, I already see the day where we laugh about that crazy night of July 11th.

One thing is for sure, you got balls bro! Amazing balls and far bigger than I ever had, especially at your age.

Anyways, you are always in the center of my heart. Again, I love you so, so much.

Please, make sure that when you find out you have been indicted, that you call xxxxx’s office (collect... I spoke with yyyyy and she knows you will call) as soon as possible so that he can begin the conversation process with the prosecuting attorney and the judge.

Through that process, xxxxx will obtain solution.

In addition, please immediately write to Marli [my sister] just in case you cannot reach xxxxx so she can contact me and I will contact xxxxx asap. As a last resort, you can tell your Mom the next time she visits so she would hopefully tell Stephen [Reid’s older brother, my oldest son] and I am in touch with Stephen all the time... he chats me on Skype when at Mom’s house.

Anyway, once you are out, you will have the world once again in the palm of your hand. In fact and in truth, you already do.

I am and always will be, your loving Dad.

I am also very proud of you. Why? Because you took on some of the most powerful demons and did NOT pull the trigger. And then you handled it all completely and responsibly. Few would have done so. I am so, so proud of you.

And I am always here for you.

Love, Dad

This post is finally about to end, but I have to add what my sister, Marli, wrote back to me.

Dear Ches,
Letter is printed and ready to mail. Great letter you are a wonderful dad.
Love ya

and to the readers of this post, if you have hung in there to here, thank you.

justonefather

[9eagle9]

Sure, I can accept that as reasonable....but there are plain old non ET people who are not hell bent on domination and conquest. Not sure what you are saying in context to what I wrote.

If we were all hell bent on blood, murder, sacrifice, and parasitical intrusion we'd be happy campers right now and not in need or desire of external influence. That is the conditions of the joint right now---SEEMINGLY. You can accept those seeming conditions, or...you can transcend them.

I can completely see how a race of ET's would avoid a planet that they perceived to be of such density. I , personally, cannot depend on them for my personal development. I try to avoid people like that but I work with the public and in the sheer volume of compromised people is hard to avoid. They are more the rule than the exception.

I am not sure where we got the idea that they, off planet, benevolent ETs were obligated to help us. I am not saying they don't exist, I'm asking where did we get the idea that they are under some obligation to us. Maybe they are, and they are not fulfilling their obligation. There's a deep exploration there. In what way would they be obligated to us?

But the same with anything else....If you want to invite something in that is in alignment with you, one creates a space for it.

It's just energy, it works both ways.

Unfortunately we unconsciously create spaces for things that aren't exactly looking out for our best interests , nor are in alignment with us.

[wynderer]

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[Chester]

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
I want to believe there are! And in fact, I want to so, so badly that I won't believe there are unless I have a direct experience with one that is.

We all want to believe there are. We all like to believe that something is looking out for us . It' s a nice feeling. But WHY do we have that yearning to have something looking out for us, watching our back, looking out for our best interests. There's a lot of reasons why we so 'badly' want to have this experience.


For a person who is spiritually healthy and expressive that is a nice feeling.....SOMETIMES. It means someone is being in empathy with you. If it's constant, the entity doing the managing becomes annoying (or depressing depending on what sort of temperment you have). It then becomes a form of judgement. People who are always trying to care take me and wipe my butt are judging me. Or fix things for me, or arrange things. It becomes this cloying dense energy. One learns the difference between honesty and contrivance. One knows when they are given an honest compliment and when someone is sucking up to them to get brownie points. One is a nice thing, the other is just gross dense energy as they impose their gross dense consciousness on you....in my arrogant opinion.

Why this need to have something watch over us. Because ...None of us were parented appropriately, none of us. Some were parented more appropriately than others, yes. Some were parented more inappropriately than others. Some of us were parented in completely inappropriate ways, and some were not parented at all.

But basically none of us were parented to be fully functional spiritually inhabited beings. Because our parents weren't.This is not to say we all had bad parents. But most of our parents raised us to be beings of only a 3d, physical world.

But it doesn't stop there...Going a step back most us were not even conceived optimally. If some among us were, it was by accident and not intent. The Original bloodlines or races knew that conception was not something was supposed to be random or accidental, it was an circumstance that was conducted under optimal conditions, mental, physically, alchemically, spiritually. I've posted on this before so I won't go into graphic detail about it but , there are optimal conditions for conception that result in a being infused from the get go to be inclined to be more spiritually expressive than physically and consciously repetitive.

The Vatican by the way sullied that knowledge and made it evil. I very much doubt that was accidental.

Now I was discussing this one day with a woman I was talking too and she said RIGHT AFTER I brought this concept (that was previously unbeknownst to her), she told me she thought she was conceived in optimal conditions. Okay one, the reason she was seeing me in the first place is both of her parents had really bad sexual issues, so I'm thinking based only on that she wasn't conceived optimally.... but it sounded good to her so she latched on to it and that becomes her reality. Now she has no reason to clear out what her parent's peculiar sexual ideology had compromised her with. She has this comforting 'thought' ,not an actual clear reality. It doesn't matter what she thinks about herself, she was not optimally conceived or parented. If she was....she wouldn't be seeing me in the first place, I'd be seeking counsel from her.

Anyone care to notice how astrology plays into that. Optimal conception? Astrology came along after we stopped optimal conception practices. Or rather the consciousness began dicking around with the way we conceived. Astrology can be used as a means to correct this but instead its turned into a labeling device to reinforce that we were not conceived (and thus born) under optimal circumstances. Astrology btw is loaded with conditions.

I don't know of another spiritual person who can care take me that way that we expect non physical benevolent entities. They may be do it some of the time, part of the time, pop up now and again and do it sometimes. We tend to have a lot of expectations of non physical entities that we put in our relationships. Watch out for me. And to a certain extent we do look out for the best interests of those we associate with but we can't be 24 hour care takers, fixers, problem solvers., guides, dispensers of wisdom, truth, and clarity.

We want something from them that we feel that we lack, but we don't lack it, our conditions have made us unable to know we are experiencing them.

There is always this expectation out there that something should keep you safe, keep you comfortable, to provide to you what you feel you lack--wisdom, direction, guidance--we are not lacking those things, consciousness is preventing us from experiencing them EVEN AS THEY ARE HAPPENING, demonstrating, and expressing.

This 'keep me safe' paradigm is very destructive. It doesn't allow people to experience. It's not YOU the spirit that needs to be kept safe, its the consciousness, the ego.

When I teach riding lessons I see the ego at work. The person, the spirit, wants to have the experience of a spirited animal but the ego is like "Oh my just look at this animal, I can't control it, I can't manipulate it, it could kill the vessel I dominate and then where would I be?! " The ego is very afraid.

Horses don't have the same sort of consciousness we have. You can sit on a horse and cry and have a fit of anger, and call it names, and insult it and it simply passes right through, the horse does not care one minute that you are angry and crying. It doesn't feed the ego. It doesn't even notice it. Whatever. Horses are very good with the 'whatever'.

I don't see that so much in kids unless the parents have really compromised them. They just have the experience.

But I see that A LOT in working with horses. People want to choose a horse that keeps them safe and they don't exist. Just because the horse was responsive and didn't do anything to spook them they think they horse is safe, a baby sitter, and consistently want to ride that horse...until eventually the horse does something to spook them and thats it for the horse. Horses only respond and or react to what we put out there for them to follow instructions on. If you pull back on your reins, keep your hands low, bringing elbows behind the waist, and keep pulling ..the horse stops. If you get mad or scared and scream for it to stop it won't stop. It doesn't care, its expecting an appropriate response to what it is doing.

If you pull once and the horse doesn't respond, keep pulling. If you stop pulling before you get the desired response you won't get the desired response.

If you fling your hands up to your chest, and yank once the horse ignores you, it has no idea what you are saying to it. It may stop because its confused. Or it may run away because its confused. Now you've given your power away. All your choices gone because....you were depending on something else to make them for you instead of doing what you KNOW to do. How many people have watched tv for a fifty years, and KNOW that you stop a horse by saying whoa, and pulling on the reins.

You wouldn't believe how much of that simple knowingness flies out the window under compromised conditions.

Now...this is where the external guidance part fails. It doesn't' matter that I am a completely benevolent well intentioned entity in the riding arena, and I tell a student to pull on the left rein, pull on the left rein, pull on the left rein. I can repeat it five thousand times but they are in compromised mode and won't listen to a word of wisdom that will correct what is going wrong. In actuality the only going wrong is that they won't pull on the left rein. So it does no good for me to be a benevolent well intentioned physical being. I doubt being non physical would fix that much.

Spirit often places that the consciousness percieves is unsafe. So we don't go there, that place we need to go, where true wisdom, true guidance, true anything exists. I can only say that I wasted a lot of time ignoring facets of myself seeking out the wisdom, and guidance of other beings perceiving they were some how greater than my own.

Ahhh 9eagle9, I somehow conveyed something that I thought was no longer true, yet because this is what struck you as part of my current position in relation to the possibility there be “good ETS” may suggest a part of me is still hoping for a savior.

Yet, in truth, I am not hoping for benevolent ETs to exist for any other reason than to have the opportunity to interact with them! I also would love that there be benevolent ETs because if there truly are and we, humanity, became aware of this humanity wide, we would likely come to grips with the fact that there may be creatures in creation that have surpassed our current technology which I believe would be good for our ego to know and that they aren't all bad.

So if there was any hint in my post that I hope there are good ETs out there such that they might “save us” or “save me” I am a bit WoW about that. If your comeback was instead stimulated by your perception that some amongst this community may be hoping for ETs to come save us, then I understand why you posted as you did.

But I hope I have clarified why I would like to know by direct experience positive ETs, whether they are in physical form or not.

In fact, I have a friend who has direct contacts with “alphabet agencies” and I have told him many times I would volunteer to go anywhere the “secret government” would ever want to send me with regards to ETs, space travel, inter-dimensional travel, time travel, etc.

Sadly my application has yet to be accepted and I assume it may have to do with the dozen or so times I landed in a psychiatric facility (the most recent being the 8 days I spent in St. Josephs in the Ciudad de Panama, Panama last January). hahahaha, guess I will have to get into space all on my own (some think I am already there)!

justonedreamer

[9eagle9]

No...... we are moving into the source causes of how archons, abductions, and rituals now. There's only so long you can talk about the problem (which can manifest in seemingly endless ways) , without going to the causes and then the solutions. Archonic activity, abduction, and ritual are all similar in the source cause of how they begin occurring. They are all violation and compromise and there's a root cause to it.

Posted by wynderer (here)
i'm not seeing much about archons & abductions & the rituals in recent posts -- just saying...

my bad, too, as i entered the discussion re yes or no/benevolent ETs

[Chester]

Posted by wynderer (here)
all psychological & biological considerations aside: as the poet said, 'It's a hell of a big universe out there,' & it would seem the odds are pretty good that there are ETs who are not bent on domination & conquest --

tho they don't tend to be drawn to planets/star systems where ritual blood sacrifices & such go on, as here on planet Earth

actually your point is just about identical to Richard Dolan's consideration and I doubt there's anyone out there better qualified to make that point. Thanks wynderer!

[Chester]

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
Sure, I can accept that as reasonable....but there are plain old non ET people who are not hell bent on domination and conquest. Not sure what you are saying in context to what I wrote.

If we were all hell bent on blood, murder, sacrifice, and parasitical intrusion we'd be happy campers right now and not in need or desire of external influence. That is the conditions of the joint right now---SEEMINGLY. You can accept those seeming conditions, or...you can transcend them.

I can completely see how a race of ET's would avoid a planet that they perceived to be of such density. I , personally, cannot depend on them for my personal development. I try to avoid people like that but I work with the public and in the sheer volume of compromised people is hard to avoid. They are more the rule than the exception.

I am not sure where we got the idea that they, off planet, benevolent ETs were obligated to help us. I am not saying they don't exist, I'm asking where did we get the idea that they are under some obligation to us. Maybe they are, and they are not fulfilling their obligation. There's a deep exploration there. In what way would they be obligated to us?

But the same with anything else....If you want to invite something in that is in alignment with you, one creates a space for it.

It's just energy, it works both ways.

Unfortunately we unconsciously create spaces for things that aren't exactly looking out for our best interests , nor are in alignment with us.

If I were a non earth born human and I knew my son, Reid (as I do), I would probably want to help him if I could. That might mean leaving him completely alone to help himself. That goes for my other sons, my step daughter, my wife, my sister and then the list goes to the next level of loved ones, close friends and then to the next level, anyone else that might reach out for some sort of help. That's just me. In fact, if I died today and were able to retain the memory of what I think I know now, I would probably (if I could) gladly come back... but again, that's just me.

And remember (thus my self imposed warning to the reader), I have been dealing with a messiah complex which may very well be something implanted by nefarious ETs including but not limited to a Horus-Ra entity.

justone

[Chester]

Posted by wynderer (here)
i'm not seeing much about archons & abductions & the rituals in recent posts -- just saying...

my bad, too, as i entered the discussion re yes or no/benevolent ETs

I have not read a thing save for one short comment that does not directly related to this topic in the last few pages. If we are limited to the area from which we can explore ourselves (and thus perhaps stumble upon solution) then what is the point of the thread in the first place?

If Houman says this thread is meant only as a dumping ground for all the horrors we are experiencing then I will accept that and move on. But if he did that, he would also have to delete all the posts he made that gave recommendations of videos (which explored solution), of physical therapeutic approaches to removing parasites from the body (Dr. Schulze cleanse programs), all the posts of beautiful photos and posts of inspirational videos.

I don't understand why we must only share about the horror.

justoneconfused

[wynderer]

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[Chester]

Posted by wynderer (here)
if i understand you correctly, you are saying that the root causes are found in the mind /aka psychology of Humans -- the Humanist p.o.v., extended to interactions w/ETs/archons --i.e., Humans & their minds as the source & center of creation -- indeed, the very pinnacle

here's a quote from my post at the top of this page about which i'd hoped you'd comment:

'there is another experience i had that i'd thought i'd never share w/anyone other than w/the few friends i have already -- it ties in w/Dana writing about the technology used against her, & how all the psychic self-defense tools do not work against that technology [a point i have made before on this thread]'

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
No...... we are moving into the source causes of how archons, abductions, and rituals now. There's only so long you can talk about the problem (which can manifest in seemingly endless ways) , without going to the causes and then the solutions. Archonic activity, abduction, and ritual are all similar in the source cause of how they begin occurring. They are all violation and compromise and there's a root cause to it.

Posted by wynderer (here)
i'm not seeing much about archons & abductions & the rituals in recent posts -- just saying...

my bad, too, as i entered the discussion re yes or no/benevolent ETs

I think you may start to be able to see how you are creating your own blockage. The points 9eagle9 shared in her great post 1760 was not presented in any way to be some universal, all encompassing examination of our problem. She only explored one aspect of that and from her point of view.

I mean this from my heart, wynderer... try opening up and not seeing each of our posts as attacks on your current paradigm. Why not consider the information as complimentary to what you currently believe and consider exploring the new possibilities of a new paradigm by experimenting with incorporating the new information into your world view.

Well, anyways, that has been what has been effectively working for me. I keep exploring viewpoints and it has been tremendously freeing, empowering and produces actual, tangible, measurable improvements in every part of my experience.

Written from true, heartfelt love

justoneman

EDIT - Just to mention, John Lamb, who is considered an expert by many concerning The Archons states very clearly the issue of the Archons is an attack upon the human mind. If his assertion has any truth to it, an individual human can only assist themselves in dealing with Archontic influences by better knowing how the mind works, so from that perspective, discussions involving this component of the entire human complex is likely essential if we are ever to find a collective solution.

I doubt my above statement could be disagreed with by anyone who truly seeks solution. I am so, so, so motivated to explore solution but can only speak for myself in this regard.

Additional EDIT: In fact, I discovered (thanks to Amzer Zo's recommendation I revisit the Steve Richard's interview) that "consciousness" as Steve Richards represents it is quite precisely the same thing that 9eagle9 described in her post #1760. I respect Amzer Zo and so I respect his recommendation and despite my initial egositic response I came back with (when I read his re-recommendation), I quickly reconsidered and am I sure glad I did!

Let's obtain solution!! For those who come after us if not for ourselves now. Bill thinks it will take generations... I make my bet on "sooner."

[wynderer]

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[9eagle9]

BANG. You hit it right on the head. And this is the part that lights me up; there are many facets to this to be explored, but we have to keep our emotions out of it. Or emotional attachment to certain ideas.

The thing is ...people are reaching out to YOU for help, you aren't imposing it on them. You get to that point you have to make a determination. Does this person really want help or do they just want an audience to play in their mud pies.

Like I said earlier when we create a space where we are reflecting that we really want help perhaps something will happen. If we stay in reactive victim mode we are not creating that space. If we keep creating a space to be reactive victimsare we going to be shocked that only abusers show up?

Earth may very well be a big universal melting pot; like America was supposed to be a big melting pot. We seen the conflicts that arose (and still rise) here in America because we were the convergence point of many races and many cultures. What if the same applies to many ET races some good, some bad, some....INDIFFERENT.

You would help your child because he is your creation, you brought him to life. There is a biological connection there, an emotional connection. HOW we help them is due to the nature of their problem. Sometimes doing nothing for a person means you are not enabling them. AA and NA drug addiction programs are very expressive of this. Often times people's help is enabling. Sometimes not saying anything is enabling. That's when you learn to pick your battles.

This ties right into the "ET's are responsible for our existence for our creation." That could be true. I don't think they are responsible for every person's genetic background. If ET's are responsible and there's a lot of different species out there that means we'd all be different in inclination and that means a lot of conflict will arise from that.

Some people claim to be starseed or of ET origins, okay they perceive their forebears, their creators are obligated to them....for something. I'm not going to argue it but.....I've never gotten an authentic discussion from people making such claims. Or an authentic expression of this. Because I don't have an emotional attachment to those sorts of ideas I explore all sorts of questions that people get angry about. Maybe some species of ET were like Johnny Appleseed, just planting roots and then wandering off never to return to see how the trees were growing. Why? They figured their purpose was done there or maybe they didn't care.

Some human men are like that...lol. Some forms of animals drop their kids and run--mostly those of REPTILIAN genesis (he he) . Lay some eggs and take off. Cold blooded animals. Warm blooded animals don't do this as much, but I think there are a few --they aren't coming to mind if they are.


Are the scientists that splice animal genetics in their lab emotionally caring toward their creations or do those creations get dumped or forgotten about without any thought as to their well being at all. We have certain breeds of animals that we have compromised introducing respiratory problems and hip dysplasia. Do we stop breeding bulldogs and german shepherds? No.....do we go back and correct what we did. No. Do we help those animals that have these symptoms or do we put them down....eventually. It depends, just because we created something doesn't necessarily mean we can fix it if some of my cooking is any meter of any of this.


I have not yet had an honest answer exactly what these genetic off planet ancestors should be offering to people. Maybe they figured they added their genetics and that sufices. For the people who make these claims I'm not believing or dismissing them, I simply don't see any expression of having those origins. "I come from a highly advance race of ET's that developed the means of multi dimensional travels; they have translucent skin, light shines out of their ears and they have prehensile lips. ."

Okay if this is genetic how come you don't look like that or are able to travel multi dimensionally. Why don't you at least have prehensile lips?

This is genetics, afterall, whatever they provided to you should be expressing in you genetically speaking there should be SOME evidence of what one is saying. I come from a specific race or bloodline on both sides of my family. That is expressed through me mentally, physically etc. I know what they know, I do what they did, and I look like historical accounts of my forebears and it sure explains a lot about what I was already expressing. OTHER people noticed these expressions before I even knew what it all meant or even knew this bloodline existed. Their racial pecularities are expressed through me on a level that has nothing to do with what I think. I actually resisted the notion for a long time because...it just sounded unrealistic until....I realized its the reality of the expression not what my conscious mind is thinking about it.

Messiah complex does mean you want to save everyone. Messiah complex can also mean that you are looking for someone to save you . Forwards and backwards.

Posted by justoneman (here)

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
Sure, I can accept that as reasonable....but there are plain old non ET people who are not hell bent on domination and conquest. Not sure what you are saying in context to what I wrote.

If we were all hell bent on blood, murder, sacrifice, and parasitical intrusion we'd be happy campers right now and not in need or desire of external influence. That is the conditions of the joint right now---SEEMINGLY. You can accept those seeming conditions, or...you can transcend them.

I can completely see how a race of ET's would avoid a planet that they perceived to be of such density. I , personally, cannot depend on them for my personal development. I try to avoid people like that but I work with the public and in the sheer volume of compromised people is hard to avoid. They are more the rule than the exception.

I am not sure where we got the idea that they, off planet, benevolent ETs were obligated to help us. I am not saying they don't exist, I'm asking where did we get the idea that they are under some obligation to us. Maybe they are, and they are not fulfilling their obligation. There's a deep exploration there. In what way would they be obligated to us?

But the same with anything else....If you want to invite something in that is in alignment with you, one creates a space for it.

It's just energy, it works both ways.

Unfortunately we unconsciously create spaces for things that aren't exactly looking out for our best interests , nor are in alignment with us.

If I were a non earth born human and I knew my son, Reid (as I do), I would probably want to help him if I could. That might mean leaving him completely alone to help himself. That goes for my other sons, my step daughter, my wife, my sister and then the list goes to the next level of loved ones, close friends and then to the next level, anyone else that might reach out for some sort of help. That's just me. In fact, if I died today and were able to retain the memory of what I think I know now, I would probably (if I could) gladly come back... but again, that's just me.

And remember, I have been dealing with a messiah complex which may very well be something implanted by nefarious ETs including but not limited to a Horus-Ra entity.

justone