split from Horus-Ra thread: discussion of conduct on that thread

[DeDukshyn]

Like Bill, I also appreciate the many bright new minds here! We seem to have our rough spots but there is a general trend of Avalon growing in just the right direction ... not too much of this ... just the right amount of that -- ocassionaly the balance tips, but it naturally seems to correct itself

Welcome all the great new members!

BTW Bill -- I noticed your forced manual swear filter for that word

Edit: I just have to add -- the recent changes to the aesthetics of Avalon are awesome! Thanks Paul and Ilie or just Ilie -- whoever was responsible for the recent facelift!

[Christine]

Posted by doodah (here)

In a physical community, I'd suggest that she have some space of her own and take students for teaching after all the daily work is done. She could do that here, in a thread of her own I suppose, if that were considered an appropriate use of the Forum.

You know Doodah, I was thinking the same thing. No one doubts 9e9's value, authenticity or experience. The only problem I have encountered and moderated on is when she practices her medicine on those who do not ask for it. I don't think these people are all meek, victims, stupid or less evolved beings as has been insinuated in various posts, some are just not wanting to play that game with her.

We are tossing around some ideas on how to provide the needed space for safety and freedom of expression. I will post your idea to the mods and see if anything develops. Of course this depends on 9eagle9 and others who would benefit from a space intense self reflection.

I think by now she knows she is more than welcome back.

[Kristin]

Modwiz,
Thank you for many things.

From the Heart,
Wormhole

[Kristin]

Posted by Christine (here)

Posted by doodah (here)

In a physical community, I'd suggest that she have some space of her own and take students for teaching after all the daily work is done. She could do that here, in a thread of her own I suppose, if that were considered an appropriate use of the Forum.

You know Doodah, I was thinking the same thing. No one doubts 9e9's value, authenticity or experience. The only problem I have encountered and moderated on is when she practices her medicine on those who do not ask for it. I don't think these people are all meek, victims, stupid or less evolved beings as has been insinuated in various posts, some are just not wanting to play that game with her.

We are tossing around some ideas on how to provide the needed space for safety and freedom of expression. I will post your idea to the mods and see if anything develops. Of course this depends on 9eagle9 and others who would benefit from a space intense self reflection.

I think by now she knows she is more than welcome back.

I've also had similar thoughts! Well worth talking about.
From the Heart,
Kristin

[DeDukshyn]

Posted by Kristin (here)

Posted by Christine (here)

Posted by doodah (here)

In a physical community, I'd suggest that she have some space of her own and take students for teaching after all the daily work is done. She could do that here, in a thread of her own I suppose, if that were considered an appropriate use of the Forum.

You know Doodah, I was thinking the same thing. No one doubts 9e9's value, authenticity or experience. The only problem I have encountered and moderated on is when she practices her medicine on those who do not ask for it. I don't think these people are all meek, victims, stupid or less evolved beings as has been insinuated in various posts, some are just not wanting to play that game with her.

We are tossing around some ideas on how to provide the needed space for safety and freedom of expression. I will post your idea to the mods and see if anything develops. Of course this depends on 9eagle9 and others who would benefit from a space intense self reflection.

I think by now she knows she is more than welcome back.

I've also had similar thoughts! Well worth talking about.
From the Heart,
Kristin

Y'know -- if she was 100% transparent as to her methods, had her own thread, she would be far less offensive, and maybe still (er ..more) effective ... just a thought, I hope she considers if she reads ...

[DeDukshyn]

I took this course one time ... it was rough. It really was - 10 hour days and head beating with sticks style. It was called the Landmark Forum - some consider it a "cult" lol. There were a few participants who voiced their rejection to that style. The lecturer became extremely serious at that point and and said .. "look - you just paid $XXX.XX to be here for this course - you either sit down and do the course and get what is available to receive - or go right now to the back and "Jim" will give you your money back no questions asked. But at the end of the day you came here to change yourself and paid money to do it. This method works but it's NOT easy - if you think easy is your route then get your money back, and find something that you think will work for you!" .. but no one left.

Point with this -- there is a place for this style.

But the entire process was transparent and 90% of the attendees did get a giant breakthrough in their relationships and self confidence that they were after, a few left dismayed -- the ones that could not let go of their past - it was obvious and their complaints were awkward. But in this case - everyone went into the process as willing volunteers - partners even in the process - something which 9eagls previous style lacked.

My point? Maybe a more structured environment (like a thread or even several) with the participants willing would be the optimal place for 9eagle to do her work as everyone mentioned (I'm just adding). How would this work here? I'm not sure at all, but maybe there's a way .... or maybe I'm just dreaming ... who knows

[wynderer]

logging in to say i'd also had the same thought, re 9eagle9 starting her own thread -- she has a lot of knowledge/experience that could help some folks

[modwiz]

Posted by DeDukshyn (here)

Posted by Kristin (here)

Posted by Christine (here)

Posted by doodah (here)

In a physical community, I'd suggest that she have some space of her own and take students for teaching after all the daily work is done. She could do that here, in a thread of her own I suppose, if that were considered an appropriate use of the Forum.

You know Doodah, I was thinking the same thing. No one doubts 9e9's value, authenticity or experience. The only problem I have encountered and moderated on is when she practices her medicine on those who do not ask for it. I don't think these people are all meek, victims, stupid or less evolved beings as has been insinuated in various posts, some are just not wanting to play that game with her.

We are tossing around some ideas on how to provide the needed space for safety and freedom of expression. I will post your idea to the mods and see if anything develops. Of course this depends on 9eagle9 and others who would benefit from a space intense self reflection.

I think by now she knows she is more than welcome back.

I've also had similar thoughts! Well worth talking about.
From the Heart,
Kristin

Y'know -- if she was 100% transparent as to her methods, had her own thread, she would be far less offensive, and maybe still (er ..more) effective ... just a thought, I hope she considers if she reads ...

When I gave her posts to look at she couldn't see them. That was yesterday though.

[DeDukshyn]

Posted by modwiz (here)
... trim, trrim ...

When I gave her posts to look at she couldn't see them. That was yesterday though.

I think this thread is in an area out of bounds to the masses ... maybe there's a work around? Any way to copy whole thread pages?

[modwiz]

Posted by DeDukshyn (here)

Posted by modwiz (here)
When I gave her posts to look at she couldn't see them. That was yesterday though.

I think this thread is in an area out of bounds to the masses ... maybe there's a work around? Any way to copy whole thread pages?

I copy and pasted what seemed relevant. Thanks for the info. I didna know that.

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by DeDukshyn (here)
I think this thread is in an area out of bounds to the masses ... maybe there's a work around? Any way to copy whole thread pages?

That's strange ... guests should be able to see it (indeed, half of those viewing this thread right now are guests.)

Also I attempted to view this page while not logged in to the forum, and I was able to see it fine.

There may have been a few hours shortly after 9eagle9's "vacation" started in which she could not view the forum at all ... due to some technical confusion behind the scenes. But those were cleared up within a few hours.

[Christine]

Hi all,

Paul you beat me to the post. I also logged out and could view this thread just fine.

[DeDukshyn]

Posted by Paul (here)

Posted by DeDukshyn (here)
I think this thread is in an area out of bounds to the masses ... maybe there's a work around? Any way to copy whole thread pages?

That's strange ... guests should be able to see it (indeed, half of those viewing this thread right now are guests.)

Also I attempted to view this page while not logged in to the forum, and I was able to see it fine.

There may have been a few hours shortly after 9eagle9's "vacation" started in which she could not view the forum at all ... due to some technical confusion behind the scenes. But those were cleared up within a few hours.

Hmmm ... thanks for clarifying that Paul -- it must be the abductees area I was getting this confused with. Perhaps Modwiz could have 9eagle try again with the links. There's much info and much love here, (at least that I can see, but then i'm generally an optimist) - it may be worth 9eagle's review.

[DeDukshyn]

I notice that many people delete their posts after some contemplation -- at times this may be valid. Despite all the ****ups I have made on this forum - I have never deleted a post .. not one. (besides I think it is against forum rules). What I do and would like to see more of - is people replying to their own post that they decided is not worthy - and give their contemplation - inner thoughts on why they thought what they said was inappropriate. This way - many can learn potentially and not just the one. Every lesson earned has the the potential to be a lesson given ... My 2 cents.

Don't delete your posts unless encouraged by the mod team - else just clarify your feelings so others may see your learning example, and hopefully find that learning within themselves where it may apply; again -- 2 cents .

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by DeDukshyn (here)
I took this course one time ... it was rough. It really was - 10 hour days and head beating with sticks style. It was called the Landmark Forum

I did the est training in London in 1984; est was the precursor of the Landmark Forum. It changed my entire view of the world.

At that time it was two weekends (four long days). I went on to become one of the volunteer logistics supervisors for the London Center, and my girlfriend Angi (the same one in whose company I saw the ET who appeared in our room) was on the full-time est staff. She worked closely with Werner Erhard's sister. I met Werner briefly -- he was an inspired and remarkable man. It was all quite an interesting time.

[modwiz]

I have done the Landmark Forum. It was very enlightening. It was about 10 years ago. I got a scholarship because I am a minister.

Used to do weddings. Don't believe much in creating legal contracts like that anymore.
My signature would bind people in spirit and to the IRS.

I like doing blessings.

[DeDukshyn]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by DeDukshyn (here)
I took this course one time ... it was rough. It really was - 10 hour days and head beating with sticks style. It was called the Landmark Forum

I did the est training in London in 1984; est was the precursor of the Landmark Forum. It changed my entire view of the world.

At that time it was two weekends (four long days). I went on to become one of the volunteer logistics supervisors for the London Center, and my girlfriend Angi (the same one in whose company I saw the ET who appeared in our room) was on the full-time est staff. She worked closely with Werner Erhard's sister. I met Werner briefly -- he was an inspired and remarkable man. It was all quite an interesting time.

For me Landmark re-iterated much of what I already knew. The awesomeness I received was in the practical application -- we were given hands-on homework to do to "experience" the words which we were taught (albeit some via NLP -- although all good), the homeowrk of having to prove to yourself that all your old "reasons" were false and just limitations was, in my opinion, invaluable. I learned a whole new way to fix problems and most importantly - I created all those problems thus "fixing" them was a breeze! And they were right - the universe gives you lessons - some people get stuck there but it's only hard if you reject them. Accepting the challenge and resolving them is Easy! -- if the previous "reason making machine" is broken.

I found it an incredibly positive course from my point of view, although I'll admit - out of the price range of most ... which is a bit sad.

My 2 cents

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by DeDukshyn (here)

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by DeDukshyn (here)
I took this course one time ... it was rough. It really was - 10 hour days and head beating with sticks style. It was called the Landmark Forum

I did the est training in London in 1984; est was the precursor of the Landmark Forum. It changed my entire view of the world.

At that time it was two weekends (four long days). I went on to become one of the volunteer logistics supervisors for the London Center, and my girlfriend Angi (the same one in whose company I saw the ET who appeared in our room) was on the full-time est staff. She worked closely with Werner Erhard's sister. I met Werner briefly -- he was an inspired and remarkable man. It was all quite an interesting time.

For me Landmark re-iterated much of what I already knew. The awesomeness I received was in the practical application

Angi did the est Communication Workshop (as did I, separately from her). That was a one-weekend program, in which quite a bit of the material that later became the centerpiece of the Landmark Forum was prototyped. It was just one weekend, but it was very powerful.

When Angi returned from the Workshop, she'd got in touch with her investment ('pay-off') in being small. She was the eldest of three sisters, but was only four foot ten and three-quarters (that's 1.49 meters).

She'd always make jokes about it -- such as that she wasn't really small, people only thought she was small.... and so on. At other times she'd stress how important the three-quarters of an inch was, or that size didn't matter.... etc etc. You get the picture. She was always very cheerful about it, but her size was part of her persona.

When she realized she had an investment in this, she grew. At the age of 26, she grew two and a half inches. I know this happened in a two-week period, and I have a strong unproven suspicion that it all happened in 24 hours. She had to throw away all her clothes and shoes.

This was medically impossible -- and yet it happened before my eyes (and the tape measure). That's the power of the mind.

[DeDukshyn]

Like cancer disappearing on a full-on personality change -- it has happened many times and has been documented -- the definitive evidence of physicality being linked directly to consciousness.

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
When she realized she had an investment in this, she grew. At the age of 26, she grew two and a half inches. I know this happened in a two-week period, and I have a strong unproven suspicion that it all happened in 24 hours. She had to throw away all her clothes and shoes.

I took Life Training, created by Roy Whitten and Brad Brown, sometime close to 1984. I didn't have to throw away all my clothes, but I did end up donating my one good tailored suit to Goodwill. I no longer had a hunched shoulder after that weekend, and the suit didn't fit right anymore.

I did not realize that had happened, until I tried to wear the suit, a month or two later.