What does it mean - BE Christian?

[ljwheat]

on a more down to earth message this George,, bings it home for me.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=7RM8L6a4P80

[kreagle]

Posted by ljwheat (here)
George, may be raw, but has alot of truth IMO.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=UwVUyToN5Rg

ljwheat,


I know George Carlin was 'beloved by many' and was a 'gifted comedian'. I use to really enjoy the 'early years of his comedy',.....but found him to really 'spiral out of control' concerning, not just the man-made term 'Christianity',.....but religion itself.

The following is a 'description of George Carlin's views on Christianity/Religion' per Wikipedia........

ReligionAlthough raised in the Roman Catholic faith, which he describes anecdotally on the albums FM & AM and Class Clown, religion, God, and particularly religious adherents were frequent subjects of criticism in Carlin's routines. He described his opinion of the flaws of organized religion in interviews and performances, notably with his "Religion" and "There Is No God" routines as heard in You Are All Diseased. His views on religion are also mentioned in his last HBO stand up show It's Bad for Ya where he mocked the traditional swearing on the Bible as "bull****",[58] "make believe", and "kids' stuff". In It's Bad for Ya, Carlin ridiculed religion by listing the types of hats religions ban or require as part of their practices. He mentions that he would never want to be a part of a group that requires or bans the wearing of hats. Carlin also joked in his second book, Brain Droppings, that he worshipped the Sun, one reason being that he could see it.

The 'last descriptive sentence, per Wikipedia',......really makes me 'sad'! I know he was 'joking around' when he said this,.....but his actions/words tell a different story. I sincerely hope he was able to 'see the Lord',.....(invisible as He may appear to our 'human perspective'),......before he actually left this world.


Your friend, brother, and servant........kreagle

[DeDukshyn]

Posted by bogeyman (here)
Yes your words and thinking must be in alinement with the creator, once that is achieved no more wars, corruption, hate, lie etc will exist. Your spirit and thinking is in is in alinement with the creator, I know this. I wish I you could understand what I know from my experiences.....what do you know of the spiritual eye?

You mean the eye of Sauron?
<snicker, snicker>

[Beren]

Posted by Jules (here)
Thank you spiritguide. This is the true meaning of Christian, not a religious label to buy into. I remember I did a kind deed, and my brother-in-law (a self proclaiming Christian) commented on it, and I stated my religion influenced me to do it. He then thought I had joined a cult or something, and asked what is your religion? I stated Christian, and he didn't know how to take that, because he goes to church two or three times a week, and I don't. It is better you treat people with kindness, than to push religion in their face. Gandhi stated "I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians." Don't think if you go to Christian church that you are better, God loves all humanity.

I can feel your here most definitely!

Emphasis on I am ... (any Christian religion ) makes you that .
But what Christ was above that.

Notice that whenever he stated I am ...it was always connected with the highest truths.
If someone says I am Catholic then that limits him very.
It shows that he is belonging to Catholic church and thus he belongs to that particular organization's way of thinking and doing...
Not Christ's...

[kreagle]

To 'all' Avalon members,......

We have, in our own ranks, a 'member', (dreamer), who is......hurting, searching, and as he says,....."stumbling in the dark".

He and his family need,......our love,.....prayers,......and support! (Now 'this' is.......'What does it mean- BE Christian?")

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post542922

Your brother, friend, and servant..........kreagle

[ljwheat]

this is too cute to pass up. really deep understanding.

[Deborah (ahamkara)]

Krishna Das tells the story of how he asked his Guru how to meditate and the Guru told him to "meditate like Jesus".
When pressed for more explanation, the Guru became very silent and closed his eyes. After a minute of two, two tears began to roll down his cheek. The Guru opened his eyes and said "He lost himself in love".

[Beren]

Posted by ahamkara (here)
Krishna Das tells the story of how he asked his Guru how to meditate and the Guru told him to "meditate like Jesus".
When pressed for more explanation, the Guru became very silent and closed his eyes. After a minute of two, two tears began to roll down his cheek. The Guru opened his eyes and said "He lost himself in love".

Yes the simple ,the God`s way.
Love God and love your neighbor.

It means to Love
To truly care for yourself,others and God and reverse.

Care has many forms and what counts is the motivation behind the care.
Why do you feed them?
Why you help them?
Why you heal them?
Why you Love them?

To be like God is- to love.

[Krullenjongen]

I thought i would also drop a soundbite here.
Doesn't anyone here feel it is necessary to be saved by Jesus Christ to be a Christian???

In my opinion a christian is someone who has been saved by Jesus Christ (the process of repentance, forgiveness and babtism) and is a follower of Jesus Christ and His teachings.

[ROMANWKT]

What does it mean - BE Christian?

It means that you will believe in unsubstantiated nonsense for the rest of your life, no matter what evidence you are confronted with.

regards
roman

[kreagle]

Posted by Krullenjongen (here)
I thought i would also drop a soundbite here.
Doesn't anyone here feel it is necessary to be saved by Jesus Christ to be a Christian???

In my opinion a christian is someone who has been saved by Jesus Christ (the process of repentance, forgiveness and babtism) and is a follower of Jesus Christ and His teachings.

Krullenjongen,

You, my brother, are 'hitting the proverbial head of the nail',......dead center!

The simple process of repentance, (death),....water baptism, (burial),.....and.......recieving the Spirit, (resurrection),.....constitute the fullness of the 'Gospel Message'!

When the 'original Church' was born, on the Day of Pentecost,.....I ask 'each of you' to notice, carefully, what the 'message was' that was preached to 'them', in order for them to have 'achieved this status of,......'death,.. burial,.. and resurrection'!!

I, prayerfully, ask you, (in the Holy Ghost),......to open your hearts and see what the Apostle Peter preached, here, to those who were attempting to 'enter that original Church', spoken about above.....


Acts 2:37-39
King James Version (KJV)

37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?

38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.


Do you see it?..........

Do you see the 'magnitude of Peter's words/message here'?

Do you recognize the 'connection here with what Krullenjongen' is saying?

Can you see the 'death,.....burial,....and...resurrection' interwoven into God's plan, here?

Did you know that this is, quite simply,.....'the Gospel Message'?


(The Apostle Paul actually 'defines the Gospel'!,......"Did you know that?")

In Jesus' name,.....'keep your heart open, a little longer'.......


1 Corinthians 15:1-4
King James Version (KJV)

15 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;

2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.

3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;

4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:


Paul, literally, says here......."I declare unto you,......the gospel,.......first of all,.......Christ died,.......he was buried,......he rose again!"


And herein we have the 'simplicity of the Gospel Message',....the death,...the burial,...and the resurrection,.....of Jesus Christ!

Not only do we 'understand and acknowledge' what Jesus did for us,.... 'exactly',....with His death, burial, and resurrection,.....but now we also,....'understand and acknowledge' how,...we,too,....can 'follow in His same footsteps',....be 'Christ-like',...be a 'Christian',......and 'experience our own personal,....death, burial, and resurrection'!,.......NOT......in a 'physical way' like He did,.......but in a 'spiritual way'!!

How?,.....by simply obeying the same message that Peter delivered on the Day of Pentecost, described above!

38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Once you have completed this discribed 'death, burial, and resurrection' in a 'spiritual way',.......you are now ready to follow the 'rest of Krullenjongen's advice........

and is a follower of Jesus Christ and His teachings.

It's,.......just.......as simple........as that!!


Your friend, brother, and servant.........kreagle

[Beren]

Posted by ROMANWKT (here)
What does it mean - BE Christian?

It means that you will believe in unsubstantiated nonsense for the rest of your life, no matter what evidence you are confronted with.

regards
roman

That's what I am exploring for others to see that actively being a religious member of various Churches makes you a person you wrote of here.
But what that has to do with BEing a Christian?

Christ doesn't belong to religions but to the universe for he is God's own image and God itself...
If you want it this way Buddha was far greater Christian than majority today...

[ljwheat]

A true Christian, carries a bible but only believe the interpolation of his local pulpit, and not what’s in it.

One simple statement proves this, “thou shall not pray before men, but go in secret and speak to your father" ( not Jesus ) he always pointed to his father never to himself.

After he passed over men added what Christ really meant.

Just like a true Christian will not read any farther in this post than what belief came out of the pulpit or differs in any why from I’m right no matter what is written. When its never been about the written == but the living word that lives in you, not a book they will not follow anyway.

The other part of a true Christian is there is no talking to them -- instead of standing on the rock, they have turned into it. So big its not moveable. This is why he said those that have eye’s see, and those that have ears hear. And yet listen and only see what's in there heads --becoming judges of the world instead of the lights of the world.

So this thread is the place, that has let everyone know your stand and place among us. Church, religion, a man with a open mouth to his head is a true Christian. A anonymous Samaritan giving all that he has with out word or deed to another his brother, finding compassion in his heart seeing all that his father in heaven brings to life in the eternal love. Is the silent Christian walking the same path Jesus walked so long ago.

Thank you Beren, for letting us share our inner most light and love, as we walk before our father in secret, and hold this light and love for our fellow man openly.

I came into this world perfect and complete and will move on as I came in totally Complete. This body and Christianity I shall lay down --- as the light can never be unlight if its living ---- will pass over as it came in shining forever.

The written and spoken light will go out with the body and its creator’s --- in the heads of men and the lips of religion.

John xoxo

[kreagle]

ljwheat,

your 'opening remark'

A true Christian, carries a bible but only believe the interpolation of his local pulpit, and not what’s in it.

I realize that your remark, here, is undoubtedly derived from your 'personal observation' of what I call,.....'mainstream Christianity'! However, a 'true Christian' ,....will 'know better' and 'compare what's coming forth from the pulpit with the actual Word of God! Just because you may have 'not personally met a true Christian',......does not mean that they don't exist, my friend! In the Bible,.....Paul and Silas actually ran into a group of people,......who gladly received them,.....only after they 'scrutinized their teachings with the Word of God'!


Acts 17:10-12
King James Version (KJV)

10 And the brethren immediately sent away Paul and Silas by night unto Berea: who coming thither went into the synagogue of the Jews.

11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.

12 Therefore many of them believed; also of honourable women which were Greeks, and of men, not a few.


It certainly appears, here, that the Berean's Paul and Silas encountered were 'more noble,....better bred,......better educated,......than 'those in Thessalonica',....where Paul and Silas had just come from. While the 'results of Paul and Silas were measured' in Thessalonica',......they were 'much more fruitful in Berea'! They were in the presence of an 'educated audience' who would 'take them to task,....by checking the message against the Scriptures!' They simply would not take Paul and Silas' word for granted,...they wanted Scriptural proof!! And by reading, and comparing, they got it!

You see, ljwheat,.....God's children,....'true Christians',.....are not nearly as 'ignorant as we are made out to be!" We're much smarter than you think!


2 Timothy 2:15
King James Version (KJV)

15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.


Love and Peace,....your friend, brother, and servant........kreagle

[DeDukshyn]

Arguing about specks, plus about what exactly is a speck ...

EDIT: Also if Bogeyman (or anyone) would like to enlighten me on the "Spiritual Eye" I am actually interested despite my funny remark.

[ljwheat]

You see, ljwheat,.....God's children,....'true Christians',.....are not nearly as 'ignorant as we are made out to be!" We're much smarter than you think!

So smart in fact your intellectual noise in your head, drowns out the still small voice of the living holy spirit in your heart. The living word of God, that who you quote spoke from. Just because you have the maze memorized that you think you've went threw the door -- Low I stand at the door and knock. it’s a spiritual door not an intellectual one. Job sat in ashes in physical pain, lost everything known to him except his spiritual holiness.

While his Christian friends ridiculed and belittled him daily for back sliding away from the religion they practiced and the only thing they could see. Blessing’s are not in the Christians seats.

But in the ashes of Job’s camp fire in secret before his father in heaven. Three years at moody bible institute New Testament Greek. I did study i didnt Memorizing scripture, i looked in to what was being pointed at and keeping it in context is the finger pointing at something that is indefinable and has no words in the physical to explain it so parables were spoke, again trying to explain the unexplainable, so he spoke parables : this is liken too, And then spoke the parable. Similar to but not definable.

He was not preaching he was pointing with words, see past the words not at the words. Painting a picture with words at something that has no shape for you to see. No understanding for the head to hang onto the blind leading the blind. Its invisible to the physical understanding. ----“Blind” your physically, and mentally awake , but spiritually blind as there is no definition to explain it, this can only be pointed at with words that cant deliver the unseen meaning to anyone. For instance show me your spirit in any why you deem fit. You cant’-- you can only point at it. Not explain it.


That’s why his disciples didn’t get it back then, and your not getting it now. You only see the explainable the tangable, ignoring the invisible unexplainable spirit that lives’ with in your heart, there’s a little children’s song “he lives’ “ with in my heart. Not in Your Head with all your smarts and documents of proof you like to stand on.

Unless you become as this little child you’ll not see your father in heaven, for whom this he seeks. ---- Another parable. Be still with the holy spirit --- instead of a book, and your memorizations. Get to know the spark of God that allows you to take your next breath.

Please know I am OK and not back slidden, as Job, but have a personal relation ship with --- and that’s in secret as Christ said before my father in heaven I cant take you there --- that’s your walk -- that’s if you can get the book out of your face and mind. And start living with the spirit you came in with. He lives’ with in my heart. End of parables of my heart.

John xoxo

[kreagle]

ljwheat,

Brother, you really don't know me,....is all I can say. I don't know why you feel it necessary to 'throw stones'!

On the 'one hand' you accuse the Christian, (me), of 'either ignorance or disobedience' to God's Word......

A true Christian, carries a bible but only believe the interpolation of his local pulpit, and not what’s in it.

On the 'other hand' you accuse the Christian, (me), of 'knowing to much!'.....

So smart in fact your intellectual noise in your head, drowns out the still small voice of the living holy spirit in your heart.

Which is it, brother?,....the former?,..the latter?,..both?,..or....none?


I hope you will reconsider you hastiness, my dear friend!

I, in no way, have attacked you,...or anyone else,....on Avalon! This is commonly known as 'being a Christian'!


Now,.....in a more 'positive' note,.....from my 'earlier comment' (post #74)

In the Bible,.....Paul and Silas actually ran into a group of people,......who gladly received them,.....only after they 'scrutinized their teachings with the Word of God'!

I failed to adequately bring out the importance of 'scrutinized their teachings with the Word of God!'

With great fondness, I fully remember,.... back in the infancy of my personal conversion to God, where I was 'taught a Bible study',....and when I was 'equally ministered to from the pulpit'! What 'impressed me most' about both of these 'wonderful, enriching experiences' was that on 'both occasions' I was specifically instructed by my Bible study teacher, Bro. Harrell,......and then also my, (soon to be pastor), Bro. Clenney,....to 'not take their word for it,......but to follow along in my own personal Bible!' You see, they wanted me to see it 'with my own eyes',......actually recorded in the Word of God!' They 'both wisely knew' that it was 'here that the Spirit of God could begin to spiritually write upon the tables of my heart,....the anointed Scriptures, themselves!'

This is also why, in the years to come,....and today,....that I also require the 'students I teach in Bible studies to do the same!' I have taught many classes of various sizes, from 1 student,....3 to 5 students,.....and even room full of 15 or more, as God has provided and blessed!,....but I emphatically tell them 'all' to,....."open your Bibles and follow along,....I want you to see this for yourself! Whatever you do,....don't take my word for it! My word doesn't matter,.....only His!"

Seeing is believing, my dear friends!

ljwheat, I've been to your personal website:http://ljwheat.home.mindspring.com/

I have to admit, with much admiration, that your work is 'beautiful and awe-inspiring!'



Brother,...believe me,...you are so much more capable of sharing 'true beauty',.....than what you did in your post #74, above!

You don't know me,....yet,......but perhaps we will 'meet one day!'


Your friend, brother, and servant.........kreagle

[ljwheat]

Yes my friend in your own words I don’t know you, and yes your have done many works and wonder’s in his name.

So now I shake the dust off my feet, as I will not stand in the house of Peter, in how the furniture should be placed.

You are totally right, in all you do and say I never had the right to open my mouth, as you have the only true version of the written word of God according to the King James version of the bible.

Nun can stand against you in your walk, and I bow before your wisdom. There for I say I shake the dust off my feet and move on from whence I came. Into the wilderness to speak with my father in heaven. I bid you peace in your on going journey of words and law.

This is the end of our dance. With all peace and love I bid you a do. Ljwheat as you insist. John xoxo

[SilentFeathers]

Relying solely (souly) on one ancient text/religion/dogma only when there are so many of them, limits, well, limits the "holy spirit" from growth and peace, wisdom, comfort, etc....they, most all ancient texts/books, are full of truth and also full of deceptions/mistakes.

The last few posts shows how this way of one way of thinking divides us, when basing our universal or common spirit connection with each other on ONE religion or dogma. We must be more open-minded.....no one book has all the answers, not even the Bible IMO.

How can we understand what the true meaning of Jesus or being "Christ like" was meant to represent when we don't even understand ourselves and are at each others throats arguing who is right and who is wrong about a certain dogma?......which is what religion is designed to do (divide us), just look at history and how religion has been so destructive. Dogma is a backwards way of being in my opinion, dogma is so backwards that actually spelled backwards spells....AM GOD.

I actually shouldn't of even posted in this thread because I know better than to get into a religious debate, it's a no win situation............

PS: Kreagle, I know you mean well, and if the Bible works for you that is great. It doesn't work for everyone and I'm sure you know this. Some things can not be forced upon others which may not be your intention, but it comes across that way on occasions to some I imagine.

Peace brother

[Camilo]

Be Christian is a coined phrase sold by one of the most deceiving institutions on the planet, it's asking you to stop being yourself, to deny your GOD given gifts, and become a sheep, to be manipulated by their own agenda.