David Icke: do you trust him or not?

[Carmody]

Posted by Paul (here)

Posted by Carmody (here)
for example I WISH PEOPLE WOULD CUT THEIR BEHAVIOR of re-posting big posts with complex linkage and imagery ....from the given post they are quoting. have some respect, folks. This stuff is not free, even though it is cheaper than it used to be. Data rates are going up, as costs come down, so it evens out that it is still expensive.

Disk space is cheap enough - the space needed for the entire website, including multiple geographically distributed backups, costs perhaps a few hundred dollars per year. The compute power, web hosting services and network bandwidth also cost, of course, but are sold in sufficiently large increments that these costs are for all practical purposes constant, for any work load our forum is likely to generate.

The key expense I worry about is the mental bandwidth of forum members and readers. We strive to keep the forum content useful and interesting, in order that as many people as possible may find as much of value here, in various ways, as we are able.

Good, glad to hear that. I've seen some pretty high costs associated with websites, so their numbers must have been appreciably different than this one here.

In one company, I had paid at least $50k toward the constantly evolving website and it's design. Now, to a large degree, someone else is benefiting from that cost and work. (mutter mutter, grumble grumble)

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by Carmody (here)
for example I WISH PEOPLE WOULD CUT THEIR BEHAVIOR of re-posting big posts with complex linkage and imagery ....from the given post they are quoting. have some respect, folks.

Ah - it wasn't until I read your comment that I realized just what you meant .

The forum software doesn't make it easy for those who lack a "green thumb for computers" to efficiently quote the posts they are responding to.

Probably the single most common action I take as a moderator is to "trim nested quotes", editing down the size of quoted material in reply posts. I expect this will continue forever. Such is life.

[Carmody]

double post! hah!

(I'm so cheap, I'd give Hetty a run for her money. OK. Only kidding.)

[SKIBADABOMSKI]

I have seen stern, cemented minds crack open with his studies. He is a true journalist for the people that hits you with facts. I like how he pre-warns the audience when he's going into his new found stuff. He has certainly done his homework and has dedicated his entire being to doing this. He was chosen for the job and has delivered.

His books are better than his speeches and thats a huge compliment as I personally think he delivers fantastic information to a 'now' very curious crowd. He tends to have something for everyone in his talks and he is mastering how to present himself. The show at Wembley Stadium is going to be very eventful. (a piece of history)

You take what you want from him.

Thats what he's there for.

Ski-

[Carmody]

To make a point, the line about infinite consciousness, that David is speaking on these days.

That's pure Buddhism, in simple terms.

And over a billion souls understand and work under that premise, on this earth, at this time.

Is he wrong?

Don't think so.

For example, re-incarnation was in the bible --as was... (plural!!) GOD(S!!).

Both were removed.

[gripreaper]

I'm wondering why we need another David Icke thread, when, if you do an advanced search, you will find that there are 285 existing threads here at Avalon with the search term "David Icke" in the heading. God only knows how many would come up if you searched posts.

I'm also wondering, while looking at the "new threads" for today, that most of them are subjects which have been covered elsewhere, and that just today, there are around 25 new threads!

Is this a new phenomenon, to start a new thread with every thought?

[Carmody]

Posted by gripreaper (here)
I'm wondering why we need another David Icke thread, when, if you do an advanced search, you will find that there are 285 existing threads here at Avalon with the search term "David Icke" in the heading. God only knows how many would come up if you searched posts.

I'm also wondering, while looking at the "new threads" for today, that most of them are subjects which have been covered elsewhere, and that just today, there are around 25 new threads!

Is this a new phenomenon, to start a new thread with every thought?

it is common for the ego in humans to think they are unique and in newness.... with the bizarre quandary, the cognitive dissonance.... of following others at the same time. the monkey is lazy,and only wants to sit in the tree and eat the low hanging fruit and fling poo at the leopards below.

The laziness is designed into the system, for the most part. A drive toward conservation of energies, a form of constantly moving toward efficiency, by the body, through the body. The base command root wiring, which all else is filtered through as series of fundamental and first tests and directives on all input and output. In most humans, unknowingly so.

The modern world has really turned a trick on these components of base instinct and primary filters.

[Playdo of Ataraxas]

Simply put, I trust myself, and I benefit and spiritually evolve directly and positively with each and every soul that I encounter, whether they are oriented more towards service to others or service to self. It is my choice to approach each soul I encounter in that aspect.

As for Icke individually, in terms of veracity, his past and present interview on Wogan, 1991/2006, sealed my opinion and affected me strongly. His tone, demeanor, and information resonates greatly with me. I would be honored to have a personal conversation with that cat!

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=2yK7uGEhg38

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Posted by gripreaper (here)
I'm wondering why we need another David Icke thread, when, if you do an advanced search, you will find that there are 285 existing threads here at Avalon with the search term "David Icke" in the heading. God only knows how many would come up if you searched posts.

I'm also wondering, while looking at the "new threads" for today, that most of them are subjects which have been covered elsewhere, and that just today, there are around 25 new threads!

Is this a new phenomenon, to start a new thread with every thought?

You never know...... WHen you visit the same thing twice, or multiple times, you find new caveats and nooks and crannies. Nothing is new under the sun, anyways..........

[ulli]

Posted by Paul (here)
Probably the single most common action I take as a moderator is to "trim nested quotes", editing down the size of quoted material in reply posts. I expect this will continue forever. Such is life.

I promise I will be tidier, but its not as easily done on an iPad as on the laptop.

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by Paul (here)
Disk space is cheap enough - the space needed for the entire website, including multiple geographically distributed backups, costs perhaps a few hundred dollars per year.

Actually, Avalon costs $270 per month ($3,240 per year).

David Icke's website, which includes his own forum, will certainly cost as much if not more.

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
Actually, Avalon costs $270 per month ($3,240 per year).

I was probably a bit confusing in my earlier post.

I was including [A] the disk space cost, including remote backup disks that Ilie and I donate freely. I was excluding [B] the other web server costs for computer power, web hosting services and bandwidth.

On the other hand, Bill was including [B], but not [A].

We're saying the same thing, but like any two good accountants, finding different ways to say it .

[SKAWF]

well, it was ickes stuff that woke me up.

do i trust him....... no.

no doubt, he was one of the first people who stood up....
but then he was involved with jordan maxwell prior to going solo.
thats not to say that i dont trust jordan maxwell. nor do i trust him.
i respect the fact that maxwell went through possibly hundreds of books while doing his research,
and the vibe i get from him when i listen to him, isnt malevolent.

i could sit and write out a statement, which is completely true.
but i could choose to omit a few details.
you would never know.

its difficult to nail exactly why i dont trust him.
in my inner world, its just a feeling.
i could examine it, and eventually, i would nail it (i'm trying to, as i write this)

basically, the problem i have is.....
and this isnt limited to icke.....

you could be told everything.
chains of events, the people behind it,
the historical aspect (going back many ages)
the nature of who and what we are,
the meaning of life
and everything else,

BUT

its all linked into an external construct

it keeps you looking outside of yourself
its like (and i apply this to the alt media scene in general)
the knowledge is a component part of the entire external construct.

contrast that with,

switching yourself off to all of it.

truthfully speaking,

i would ask anyone here, whether or not, they feel plugged into the alt scene?
and in that light, what makes the alt scene any different to any other external doctrine?

energy flows where attention goes.

so why doesnt icke point out the basic polar difference between focusing 'within', or outside of yourself?

ive watched most of his video's, and ive seen him live in brixton twice.
i like him, i support him.....

but i have reservations which prevent me from placing my trust in him.

who remembers the symbolism on his website before it was revamped....

an illuminati pyramid, with the all seeing eye!
that seemed like an odd symbol to use from a guy that talks so much about symbolism.

i wish him well.

[Mandala]

I like David Icke very much. I buy his books, I listen to his videos and I believe him to be a very good man.

[Mike]

Posted by Carmody (here)

Posted by gripreaper (here)
I'm wondering why we need another David Icke thread, when, if you do an advanced search, you will find that there are 285 existing threads here at Avalon with the search term "David Icke" in the heading. God only knows how many would come up if you searched posts.

I'm also wondering, while looking at the "new threads" for today, that most of them are subjects which have been covered elsewhere, and that just today, there are around 25 new threads!

Is this a new phenomenon, to start a new thread with every thought?

it is common for the ego in humans to think they are unique and in newness.... with the bizarre quandary, the cognitive dissonance.... of following others at the same time. the monkey is lazy,and only wants to sit in the tree and eat the low hanging fruit and fling poo at the leopards below.

The laziness is designed into the system, for the most part. A drive toward conservation of energies, a form of constantly moving toward efficiency, by the body, through the body. The base command root wiring, which all else is filtered through as series of fundamental and first tests and directives on all input and output. In most humans, unknowingly so.

The modern world has really turned a trick on these components of base instinct and primary filters.

the laziness is designed into the system? phew! and here i've been blaming myself this whole time for dropping out of 3 colleges, gaining 20 lbs in the last 3 months and taking up vodka as a hobby

the Icke thread is redundant, and it's origins...er...confusing... but in the final analysis *everything* here is a rehash! some of it a little more rehash-y than the rest. the trick is to hide the taste, pour a little salt n pepper on it, a few spices, some butter, gravy......make it seem new.

life is a rehash. but like these threads, we participate anyway. why? i dunno...a new thread, perhaps?

[gripreaper]

Posted by Chinaski (here)
the laziness is designed into the system? phew! and here i've been blaming myself this whole time for dropping out of 3 colleges, gaining 20 lbs in the last 3 months and taking up vodka as a hobby

That's probably not your fault. Were you abused as a child? Did your parents love you unconditionally? Did your teachers give you full support while you were growing up and nurture you while you were learning, with complete patience and warm hugs?

Do you have past lives where you did things which were polarized to the extreme negative, which is causing you to have to pay your karmic debt in this lifetime?

Or are you just an aberrant miscreant bent on being a curmudgeon?

At any rate, your probably a victim and are not responsible, so just sign up for any benefits and privileges you can from others and sit back and enjoy!

[we-R-one]

Posted by davewhite04 (here)

Posted by Reaver (here)

To be honest I find the lizard people theory to be an exaggeration and I certainly don't subscribe to the infinite love thing...

I do entertain his reptilian theory too, as I have experience of that. Love isn't going to do anything, I mean the only action is to do a love march or sit in a room at one with Love.

But maybe his Love theory etc. is pro-active or just a transformation of self, which wouldn't change the world, would it?

David Icke is dead on! You are missing a very key point if you skip his love concept. Heart-centered is the solution and actually I will be utilizing one of his videos in my solutions thread I'm putting together....David speaks of the Gnostic teachings where people use to be heart-centered......before the Illuminati took over.

You see we are at a point where our technology has surpassed spirituality, we've all heard that....the only solution left is heart-centered. I encourage you to investigate the science of being heart centered, the frequencies of love, compassion, and forgiveness....combine that with the science of holographic universe and you will understand better why David says what he says.

Thank you Mr. Icke from the center of my heart for re-affirming what I've known, but did not have the frame of reference or words to make the link. You helped solidify my case that heart-centered thought processes and concepts are the solutions and the science is there to prove it!

[Mike]

Posted by gripreaper (here)

Posted by Chinaski (here)
the laziness is designed into the system? phew! and here i've been blaming myself this whole time for dropping out of 3 colleges, gaining 20 lbs in the last 3 months and taking up vodka as a hobby

That's probably not your fault. Were you abused as a child? Did your parents love you unconditionally? Did your teachers give you full support while you were growing up and nurture you while you were learning, with complete patience and warm hugs?

Do you have past lives where you did things which were polarized to the extreme negative, which is causing you to have to pay your karmic debt in this lifetime?

Or are you just an aberrant miscreant bent on being a curmudgeon?

At any rate, your probably a victim and are not responsible, so just sign up for any benefits and privileges you can from others and sit back and enjoy!

Reaper, it's "you're" probably a victim and are not responsible... not "your". i normally wouldn't have pointed that out but since you're feeling so gleefully clever i'll take a little joy in bursting your bubble. how did you get 'curmudgeon' and 'miscreant' right and goof up 'your'? you were so close 'Reaper!

since i view no smiley faces here, i'll assume you were either being 'curmudgeony' or just going for a few cheap thanks, as i know how much recognition means to you here. i'm no pro, but i'll guess you were either abused as a child or didn't get the full support of your teachers and friends. *or* perhaps you suffered a past life as a guy on *another* forum who used deliberately flowery language to create an aura of intelligence to conceal a hopelessly transparent fragile ego. now, i'm no pro, as i said...these are just guesses. and in case you're wondering, i claim no psychic abilities whatsoever.

[we-R-one]

now, now....that's not very heart-centered you guys....lol

[Mike]

well, i can't wait for you all night 'Reaper. this could have been fun!

you're still ok in my book, but you play nice now 'Reaper!

[Carmody]

Just in case anyone is wondering, in my experience Chinaski DOES have a sense of humour. Just don't leave yourself open.....