Billy Meier - The Ultimate truth?

[Cidersomerset]

I posted this on another contactee thread i started and as I watched the vid a thought hit me.....

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...-Nevada-Desert
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Re: XCon 2005 - Charles Hall - The Tall Whites - ET Experiences in the Nevada Desert

There is no doubt UFO's exist as this old Sightings report shows.The expert near the end
is baffled why he cannot get clear shots of the craft with the good camaras involved &
explains a gulf ball experiment they use to see the dimples on the ball in flight...

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=1oCl2kROv1Y

Uploaded by wespenre on 13 Jun 2011


This video has been examined by highly specialized experts and found authentic (watch the video for proof of this).
In the desert outside Nellis AFB in Nevada, the Tall White aliens have their base. They have interacted with our government and military for decades.


Orthographic views of generic scout craft according to Hall's description. 3D model courtesy of Magda Gemis, Samuel Michelet, and Bruno Michelet.

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Now it reminded me of a Michael Horne answer to a Billies Photos and film question in a interview
I cannot remember when,but it is one of those things that get stuck in your brain and watching
the above vid it came back to me....

Its to do with when the craft is flying, they create and ride a sort of field/wave so it is hard
to get a crisp picture in flight, and the craft has black spots in front of it.
So the plejarens turned off the field to get the clear shots. I know you can say oh yeh thats
convenient but worth a look at, because the craft in Mexico City and Nellis were real.
Whether alian or not thats another story, but i found it interresting Cheers Steve...

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=KivKOmJ19Rg

This is not going to change peoples minds but worth a thought .I am sure debunkers could debunk
the sightings film and experts, but that looks real to me !!

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

Posted by mahigitam (here)

#3- Absence of color TV in Meier's home

Let us suppose that our best available knowledge about the shows being broadcasted worldwide(between 1979-1981) was false and that indeed the shows were broadcasted between 1971 & 1975. Also for some crazy reason, Meier wanted to take pictures from TV of these women and wanted to declare to the world that they were ETs he was in contact with & photographed. Now, not until July 1976, did Billy purchase his first color TV unit (brand SABA) from Mr. Bär's Bauma store, whereas the photos of Asket and Nera were taken a year earlier, on June 26, 1975. He may have taken the picture from his friend's or relatives house, right ? Second, his friends or relatives must have known about Meier taking photographs from TV or either they must also be a part of this grand hoax. Till to this date, after more than 50 years, no one ever has come forward to reveal how Meier photographed from TV, location & dark room equipment needed to produced or manipulate photos. Was there any monetary benefit for being silent about Meier's fakery ? I found no evidence that is reasonable enough to get to that conclusion at all. We can talk about this scenario later, if wanted.

#4- Absence of 3-color grid of the cathode ray tube

It was said that the 3-color grid(red, blue and green) of the cathode ray tude would show up when trying to photograph the TV screen. But in the 3 photos Meier published, no dots were observed. So some claim that he must not have taken it from TV. But others claim that he must have taken photo of a 'photo from TV' & repeated the procedure until the the color dots disappeared. Since i am not a photo expert, I do not know if this works or not. But i am speculating that if meier has taken 'photo of a photo'(1 or many times), then there must be other differences(loss of contrast, details, color intensity, blurring, loss of focus,...) that would also show up on the image which would be detected. I would prefer to leave this with the photo experts.

Thank you for clearing up these issues mahigitam, there's some very reasonable stuff here. And I go along with the theory that the Meier collection has at one time or another been compromised by outside parties seeking to discredit him.

Yes, I do not believe the Asket/Nera photo was captured from a television screen, by Meier or anyone else etc. That seems clear. But you know what I think? That photo was taken from a projection screen. The clear definition (no bars, pixilation), yet washed out; its almost blurry appearance. It is absolutely consistent with an image produced by a projector aimed at a white screen, just like in a typical home movie system, the likes of which was fairly common (if you could afford it) in the 70's before VCRs became available.

Either Meier did it this way, or alternatively, you can imagine a bunch of CIA types gathered around a projector in a small, dark room, fabricating these images. Definitely possible I guess.

And thank you kindly for the posts DNA. An interesting letter that, with some compelling accounts… although struggling to envision the Queen of England onboard an ET craft for medical treatment.. lol

But mahigitam, did you see the youtube vid Jimmer posted at bottom of page 1? Its pretty engaging, and quite damaging to Meier when you consider how simple these pictures would have been to fake…

[mojo]

video descritpion:
The final chapter in the Wendelle Stevens book about the Billy Meier experience and those who knew Pleiadians from South America, as well
This letter is one more exhibit of evidence that the Billy Meier story is real and that aliens exist, written by an intelligence officer with military mentality
He thinks the military mind is king and I think they are a bunch of criminals in uniform and I use 'Operation Northwoods' as my main exhibit of evidence, very damning, indeed
So damning, that President Kennedy, the last real President we ever had in the USA Corporation, fired the head of the Joint Chiefs of Staff; He was a Nazi with a German name, at center, in the photo of these clowns

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=9orwQttlLo0

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by mojo (here)
He thinks the military mind is king and I think they are a bunch of criminals in uniform and I use 'Operation Northwoods' as my main exhibit of evidence, very damning, indeed
So damning, that President Kennedy, the last real President we ever had in the USA Corporation, fired the head of the Joint Chiefs of Staff; He was a Nazi with a German name, at center, in the photo of these clowns

From http://www.infowars.com/a-second-911...tary-doctrine/

Operation Northwoods

The concept of "massive casualty producing event" is part of military planning. In 1962, the Joint Chiefs of Staff had envisaged a secret plan entitled "Operation Northwoods", to deliberately trigger civilian casualties among the Cuban community in Miami (i.e. "staging the assassination of Cuban living in the US") to justify an invasion of Cuba:

"We could blow up a U.S. ship in Guantanamo Bay and blame Cuba," "We could develop a Communist Cuban terror campaign in the Miami area, in other Florida cities and even in Washington" "casualty lists in U.S. newspapers would cause a helpful wave of national indignation." (See the declassified Top Secret 1962 document titled "Justification for U.S. Military Intervention in Cuba" (See Operation Northwoods at http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/NOR111A.html).


Operation Northwoods was submitted to President Kennedy. The project was not carried out.

In 1962, the Joint Chiefs of Staff had envisaged a secret plan entitled
"Operation Northwoods", to deliberately trigger civilian casualties among
the Cuban community in Miami to justify an invasion of Cuba

The man in the middle of that picture is Lyman Lemnitzer, who served as Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff under Kennedy from 1960 to 1962.

[mojo]

Thanks for posting the additional information on Operation Northwoods...it sounds like an early 'false flag' event or more likely false flags have been used even before this plan.

[mahigitam]

Posted by Star Mariner (here)

But mahigitam, did you see the youtube vid Jimmer posted at bottom of page 1? Its pretty engaging, and quite damaging to Meier when you consider how simple these pictures would have been to fake…

Like most of the claims that are against Meier case, this too has its own set of holes or flaws. We can talk about it at some other time. Now, in my last post i have said that i would post about the Anamolies in the photo. I have already posted on this topic a few days ago on FIGU forum. You can visit below link and can read, no registration required.
http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/86...tml?1348368090


Also i acquired the Dean Martin Variety Show UNCUT edition recently released in May 22, 2012. In that 3-DVD set, there is a sequence which skeptics or debunkers claim that meier had photographed from TV(already assuming that the show was broadcasted in Euorpe, which ofcourse has no evidence but counter-evidence). Earlier this sequence was never before released in any DVD or VHS sets as mentioned on some blogs. When i got it yesterday, i carefully all the frames to see if any frames are matching with that of Meier's photo. My conclusion is there are no frames that match that of Meier's photo and with that all the attacks against Meier by skeptics or debunkers have utterly failed. Howmuch time, energy, resources & CHANGE these idiots have wasted or obstructed by attacking the truth.
Please read about it and also watch the sequence and analyse yourself starting from the above same link.

[Lone Bean]

I googled a couple of dates he predicted back in 1951. The unmanned soft landing was right on, the supposed manned moon landing I think was only a month off, and Russia orbiting the earth was very precise. Unless he wrote these predictions after they actually happened, then I have no argument to say he's a fake. I watched a documentary about him yesterday and it showed the wedding cake space ship. That was definitely unbelievable. But I don't use any photos or videos of UFOs as proof they exist, or that Mr. Meier is for real. I rely totally on proven predictions, many of which seem very accurate. In a way I hope he is just a very good con man because his predictions for our future are so awful and horrible to even comprehend. It's beyond bad.

[ghostrider]

Once again ptaah was right, he stated the greeland ice melt would cause the flooding of the D.C. area = hurricane Sandy .

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

Cross-posting this from Very Weird Stuff!

Here's an interesting clip, one I hadn't seen before today.

Time and place says Cape of Good Hope, South Africa, 2003, but I cannot vouch that that is correct, nor can I attest to the authenticity of this video. The single comment for this youtube clip is 'fake', but it provides no context to qualify this assertion. As such, it's worthless.

It might be a fake, but it might not. In my mind, it's less likely to be CGI if this is really from 2003. It just looks too good, too seamless for a 20 year old digital effect, especially in light of those bright, clean reflections. At the very least, it's 12 years old, the date of upload being 2011.

The most intriguing aspect of this object is the startling resemblance to Billy Meier's Plejaren Beam ship.

Here is the purported UFO captured in South Africa 2003, and below it one of Meier's Beam Ship photographs.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=ZIuDxlo-AcA

[grapevine]

"These PREDICTIONS have ALL come true!" UFO Expert warns what's next is terrifying | Redacted

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=r8GbQwHcOnQ

(1:01:46)
Clayton Morris interviews Michael Horn, representing Billy Meier, who goes over past predictions which have happened, some which haven't (yet), and some in the future. The heading is clickbaity, unfortunately, which detracts from Redacted's credibility a little.

"While the UFO community is busy hand wringing over what Congress and the Pentagon will disclose about advanced craft and alien bodies, one UFO contactee has been accurately predicting major world events since the 1940's. What will happen in 2024 and beyond? Michael Horn is the English language representative for UFO contactee Billy Meier and he joins Redacted to detail past prophecies that Meier has predicted as well as what's next for 2024 and beyond. We better pay attention."

Point of Interest:
At 55:46, Michael Horn brings up the "dark dark secret" discussed recently between Clayton Morris and Tucker Carlson.

[DNA]

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=rkLQ9tmwrP0

If you get a chance this is a great 4 part interview over dinner with George Knapp and the late greet Wendell Stevens.
Also
This youtube content provider has great stuff on YouTube and Rumble.
Gasmeter is his name.
Of note are the Randolph winters 20 part series on Billy Meier in my opinion the best single source for Meier information.

I've listened to it twice.
It's like 25 hours of information.
It's worth it.

For those interested I'm a believer in the Meier material.
He gives great information.
Prophetic too

[TrumanCash]

Posted by DNA (here)

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=rkLQ9tmwrP0

If you get a chance this is a great 4 part interview over dinner with George Knapp and the late greet Wendell Stevens.
Also
This youtube content provider has great stuff on YouTube and Rumble.
Gasmeter is his name.
Of note are the Randolph winters 20 part series on Billy Meier in my opinion the best single source for Meier information.

I've listened to it twice.
It's like 25 hours of information.
It's worth it.

For those interested I'm a believer in the Meier material.
He gives great information.
Prophetic too

Hi, DNA. Have you read Billy Meier's Contact Note books by Wendell Stevens?

[DNA]

Posted by TrumanCash (here)

Posted by DNA (here)

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=rkLQ9tmwrP0

If you get a chance this is a great 4 part interview over dinner with George Knapp and the late greet Wendell Stevens.
Also
This youtube content provider has great stuff on YouTube and Rumble.
Gasmeter is his name.
Of note are the Randolph winters 20 part series on Billy Meier in my opinion the best single source for Meier information.

I've listened to it twice.
It's like 25 hours of information.
It's worth it.

For those interested I'm a believer in the Meier material.
He gives great information.
Prophetic too

Hi, DNA. Have you read Billy Meier's Contact Note books by Wendell Stevens?

Yes sir.
I have owned both the notes and the color photo book by Wendell.
I've owned a lot of his contact books.
Wendell was always my favorite researcher.
I've got a thread where I posted his S4 documentary. It's the best of its kind. Like 6 hours worth of information.

[DNA]

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=XNZq7d13UlQ

This is video 1 of like 22 videos.
This Randolph Winters series is the best single source of information I've gotten for Billy.

In it Randolph states that according to Billy
- A huge hit for me. 🔥
That the destruction of Atlantis was caused by the losing side in an act of revenge going out in orbit and dragging a asteroid into earth orbit and flinging it at their adversaries.
This being Mu vs Atlantis and the asteroid being flung at Atlantis.
Meier gives the date im pretty sure was 10,700 years ago.
The date matters.
Meier states this is what happened to the Megafauna.
Meier first stated this in 78, it was repeated in this Randolph Winters video series in 96'.
The younger dryass theory didn't come out till 03".
Even then the younger dryass wasn't accepted until the finding of the impact crater in like 2020 under the greenland Hiawatha glacier.
And the time of impact given to that asteroid impact was around 100-200 years different than the Meier date.
Meier beat everyone on this.
He bested the entire field of Anthropology.
He bested the entire field of geology.
He bested evolutionary biologists.
Not just a generations worth but about 200 years worth of cross speciality scientists got their asses handed to them by a one armed security guard in Switzerland.

- Sasquatch is a hold over from the genetic manipulation from the time of Atlantis. Half human and half bear.
This is crazy I know but for those who have kept up with the David Paulides full genome done on sasquatch hair samples...
The findings by that research started Sasquatch was only 15,000 thousand years old.
That Sasquatch was a human and as of right now unknown animal hybrid.
This would have put Sasquatch snack in the middle of Atlantean times.
Also in Edgar Cayces biography by Fitzpatrick he also stated when asked that Sasquatch was a chimera hybrid from Atlantis part human and part bear.



So so much more

[TrumanCash]

Posted by DNA (here)

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=XNZq7d13UlQ

This is video 1 of like 22 videos.
This Randolph Winters series is the best single source of information I've gotten for Billy.

In it Randolph states that according to Billy
- A huge hit for me. 🔥
That the destruction of Atlantis was caused by the losing side in an act of revenge going out in orbit and dragging a asteroid into earth orbit and flinging it at their adversaries.
This being Mu vs Atlantis and the asteroid being flung at Atlantis.
Meier gives the date im pretty sure was 10,700 years ago.
The date matters.
Meier states this is what happened to the Megafauna.
Meier first stated this in 78, it was repeated in this Randolph Winters video series in 96'.
The younger dryass theory didn't come out till 03".
Even then the younger dryass wasn't accepted until the finding of the impact crater in like 2020 under the greenland Hiawatha glacier.
And the time of impact give to that asteroid impact was around 100-200 years different than the Meier date.
Meier beat everyone on this.
He bested the entire field of Anthropology.
He bested the entire field of geology.
He bested evolutionary biologists.
Not just a generations worth but about 200 years worth of cross speciality scientists got their asses handed to them by a one armed security guard in Switzerland.

- Sasquatch is a hold over from the genetic manipulation from the time of Atlantis. Half human and half bear.
This is crazy I know but for those who have kept up with the David Paulides full genome done on sasquatch hair samples...
The findings by that research started Sasquatch was only 15,000 thousand years old.
That Sasquatch was a human and as of right now unknown animal hybrid.
This would have put Sasquatch snack in the middle of Atlantean times.
Also in Edgar Cayces biography by Fitzpatrick he also stated when asked that Sasquatch was a chimera hybrid from Atlantis part human and part bear.



So so much more

I have no doubt that the Billy Meier case was real. However, I am not convinced that the "Pleiadians" were telling Billy the truth on every subject. One thing they told Billy about which I think has merit is the existence of what they said was the "Giza Intelligence", which sounded like the manipulative CIA version of Pleiadians associated with the Great Pyramid.

I covered this in my second book, THE EYE OF RA, and the "Giza Intelligence" appear to me to be the notorious ancient "gods" known under various names such as the Elohim, Anunnaki, Ilu, etc. My take is that they were indeed human-looking, but under the influence of Reptilians. This comes from my personal experience with them and the human sacrifice, blood drinking rituals that were conducted in the Great Pyramid and specifically with my meeting with the "god" Ptaah.

These ancient human-looking "gods" went be names like Ptaah (Egypt), Quetzalcoatal (Mesoamerica), Thor (Nordic) and Billy Meier talks about contact with Ptaah and Quetzal. So it appears that these are Pleiadian names. Of course, that does not mean that Billy's contacts were Anunnaki per se. Also, there are many connections to the Pleiades in pyramids, ancient "gods", sun god religions, etc, all over the world.

I feel I must have some sort of connection to the Pleiades because whenever I'm outside on a clear night, I feel a sudden urge to look up and I'm instantly drawn only to the Pleiades. I can't explain why I experience this phenomenon. It doesn't matter where in the sky it is, but it is like something suddenly turns my head and eyes to the Pleiades and only to the Pleiades!

I've also recovered the memory of being abducted by Sasquatch in Nazi Germany and they were also associated with Mantis ETs in that incident. They also appear to be associated with Grays.

Also, I'm very aware of the Younger Dryas meltdowns as I live where Glacial Lake Missoula was before the sudden meltdown and apparently the lake was about 2000 feet deep then. The icebergs from the lake carried large boulders all the way to the ocean and one boulder is as big as a house near Wenatchee, Washington. There were many minor meltdowns due to the ice dam breaking near Bayview, Idaho. The smaller stones were rounded from water erosion and filled a deep trench to Coeur d'Alene and Spokane, Washington and were pushed even further forming gravel pits to the west in basalt scab lands. The big floods must have killed all animal life when they happened. I dug up mammoth bones southwest of Glacial Lake Missoula and camel bones are also found in Washington. The global warming from Younger Dryas must have been due to mammoth farts.

[wondering]

I was happy to watch the above video, post 54. As often as I have seen Billy Meier mentioned, I knew nothing of his story and it is fascinating. What a remarkable life experience.

[Mike]

Posted by wondering (here)
I was happy to watch the above video, post 54. As often as I have seen Billy Meier mentioned, I knew nothing of his story and it is fascinating. What a remarkable life experience.

I enjoyed the video too.

I've known the very basics of Billy Meier for quite a long time but have never really dug into his history.

Hey Marcus, are the other videos in the series available somewhere?

[DNA]

Gasmeter is the youtube content provider who has all of these videos uploaded.
Randolph Winters is the person who made the presentations originally.
I wish they were up loaded in a manner where one would simply play after another but that is not the case.
It would really be awesome if we could get these videos up loaded on to the Avalon archive.

I love Randolph Winters. He doesn't make the material about him. He doesn't try to be a guru.. He also doesn't try to sell you he just presents it and does so well in my opinion.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=lisgj1LxxH0

[DNA]

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=13MM0fiLFKY

This is tape three in the series.
Again this is Randolph Winters on Billy Meier

[DNA]

https://www.infowars.com/posts/prion...hots-unlabeled

Billy stated there would be an epidemic of mad cow disease.
Is this the culprit?
The covid vax now being introduced into livestock?