David Icke: do you trust him or not?

**Arrowwind** · 27th September 2012 13:39

No Bill, you were not twisting fathertedsmate's words but starting out your reply to him with "wow- what an ignorant post" is not a way to open doors of communication with someone.
Its like a smack in the face regardless of how true or not your view point is.

**jaybee** · 27th September 2012 13:45

Posted by Finefeather (here)
What you are talking about, and the 'thing' that prevents cancer and serious illness, is NOT kundalini, it is your ability to control and balance kundalini by your attitude and mental state.

Hiya Finefeather....now you have said more...I think we are on the same page with this.

thanks for your reply...

.

**Bill Ryan** · 27th September 2012 13:53

Posted by Arrowwind (here)
No Bill, you were not twisting fathertedsmate's words but starting out your reply to him with "wow- what an ignorant post" is not a way to open doors of communication with someone.
Its like a smack in the face regardless of how true or not your view point is.

Point fully taken. I considered reporting by own post to the mods. (Seriously!)

But I really felt like saying that at the time. It reflected my strong view, which I later explained in two subsequent posts. A critique of David Icke's important and powerful message, based solely on his arthritis and other body issues which he has or may have, was not well-informed. Let me say that more politely!

David is like an uncomplaining, wounded soldier who bears the constant pain he lives in with extraordinary fortitude. I traveled with him in South Africa for two weeks and each night he could barely sleep he was in such physical pain. No-one except a close traveling companion would ever have known. Yet he continued to do his job wonderfully.

Describing fathertedsmate not being well-informed as 'ignorant' is just a tough and blunt way to put it. I entirely accept that that is not the optimum way to conduct a debate. But I'm adamant in the points I make, and I wanted to emphasize them strongly.

**AriG** · 27th September 2012 14:00

ig·no·rant (gnr-nt)
adj.
1. Lacking education or knowledge.
2. Showing or arising from a lack of education or knowledge: an ignorant mistake.
3. Unaware or uninformed.

David Icke, due to the nature of his work, is the victim of the constant flow of negative energy directed at him. I think he's holding up better than most of us could.

**Arrowwind** · 27th September 2012 14:15

Back more to topic. Ive read some of Icke's books and watched youtube videos..

I really respect him and what he is trying to do. He has stuck with it though thick and thin for the long haul.

Where he lost me and where he looses many, I think, is in regard to the reptilian thing that he expounds on in some of his work.

Most of the stuff he talks about you can see for yourself if you are willing to open your eyes and look. There are other resources to further his remarks to take into consideration in making your determinations.
But I have a very hard time coming to terms with the shapeshifter thing and the reptilian blood (DNA) lines. Although I do understand the concept of the reptilian brain that all humans have and must contend with in their evolution... then more recently I heard, don't recall where, that he had not experienced a direct reptilian encounter personally... so its all second hand information unsubstanciated on his part?

If he had bypassed this stuff I think his message would have gone much further and have had even greater impact.

**AriG** · 27th September 2012 14:18

Posted by Paul (here)
When asking a question with the intention of sowing seeds of doubt in others,

This pearl of wisdom certainly resonates with me. It seems to be a frequently applied modus operandi and yes, for mere mortals still in possession of their ugly egos, it hurts a little.

Just a bit of constructive criticism for the OP - the title of your thread even implies that you are casting doubt. Wouldn't a more balanced approach have been to title the thread in a positive tone such as ' Wanting to know more about David Icke ' or ' Do Icke's words resonate with you '?

Certainly not trying to sound like the "thought police" here, but the MSM or journalists of old used to have an expression for this practice - yellow journalism.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_journalism

Yes, everyone wants their thoughts to be heard and their words to be read ( there's that ugly old ego flaring up again

) but when our words are written to discredit someone without presenting fact, we suppress the very thing we are seeking - our freedom. We allow our light to be absorbed by the dark. We join the other side.

**jaybee** · 27th September 2012 14:40

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by Arrowwind (here)
No Bill, you were not twisting fathertedsmate's words but starting out your reply to him with "wow- what an ignorant post" is not a way to open doors of communication with someone.
Its like a smack in the face regardless of how true or not your view point is.

Point fully taken. I considered reporting by own post to the mods. (Seriously!)

lol Bill....you could have reported yourself to yourself...

David is like an uncomplaining, wounded soldier who bears the constant pain he lives in with extraordinary fortitude. I traveled with him in South Africa for two weeks and each night he could barely sleep he was in such physical pain. No-one except a close traveling companion would ever have known. Yet he continued to do his job wonderfully.

awwwwww love to David x x x

I am astonished and humbled by the fortitude of people who live with severe pain and still manage to acheive a lot. My mother has an inoperable slipped disc and lives in constant pain, juggling around with different doses of pain-killers...but her mental strength and determination is amazing...

.

**SilentFeathers** · 27th September 2012 16:12

David Icke is on the Alex Jones show today (27th)

http://www.infowars.com/

**ulli** · 27th September 2012 16:26

Posted by Arrowwind (here)
Back more to topic. Ive read some of Icke's books and watched youtube videos..

I really respect him and what he is trying to do. He has stuck with it though thick and thin for the long haul.

Where he lost me and where he looses many, I think, is in regard to the reptilian thing that he expounds on in some of his work.

Most of the stuff he talks about you can see for yourself if you are willing to open your eyes and look. There are other resources to further his remarks to take into consideration in making your determinations.
But I have a very hard time coming to terms with the shapeshifter thing and the reptilian blood (DNA) lines. Although I do understand the concept of the reptilian brain that all humans have and must contend with in their evolution... then more recently I heard, don't recall where, that he had not experienced a direct reptilian encounter personally... so its all second hand information unsubstanciated on his part?

If he had bypassed this stuff I think his message would have gone much further and have had even greater impact.

Lots of thoughts here about what you said.
I also used to have problems with that aspect of David's message, but not any more.
We are multi-dimensional beings, and some people can see the next dimension, like cats can see in the dark.
We all know that cats have better eyes than us humans.
And for them those dimensions are as real as ordinary humans who think their five senses reveal the 3D world as real.
So I no longer argue with another person's perception.
I'm just grateful if they are willing to put up with mine.

**Sierra** · 27th September 2012 16:54

Posted by ulli (here)

Posted by Arrowwind (here)
Back more to topic. Ive read some of Icke's books and watched youtube videos..

I really respect him and what he is trying to do. He has stuck with it though thick and thin for the long haul.

Where he lost me and where he looses many, I think, is in regard to the reptilian thing that he expounds on in some of his work.

Most of the stuff he talks about you can see for yourself if you are willing to open your eyes and look. There are other resources to further his remarks to take into consideration in making your determinations.
But I have a very hard time coming to terms with the shapeshifter thing and the reptilian blood (DNA) lines. Although I do understand the concept of the reptilian brain that all humans have and must contend with in their evolution... then more recently I heard, don't recall where, that he had not experienced a direct reptilian encounter personally... so its all second hand information unsubstanciated on his part?

If he had bypassed this stuff I think his message would have gone much further and have had even greater impact.

Lots of thoughts here about what you said.
I also used to have problems with that aspect of David's message, but not any more.
We are multi-dimensional beings, and some people can see the next dimension, like cats can see in the dark.
We all know that cats have better eyes than us humans.
And for them those dimensions are as real as ordinary humans who think their five senses reveal the 3D world as real.
So I no longer argue with another person's perception.
I'm just grateful if they are willing to put up with mine.

I know someone personally who has seen reptillian shape shifting in part, and in full. They can display their eyes only or do a full body change. The full body change was done by a little boy, whose sister then primly said, "Now you know Mommy says you are not supposed to do that in front of strangers."

What is funny (and I find it corroborating ... ) is that these reptillians would carry on conversations with her, that she'd have no idea what they were talking about ... until she recovered the altered state memories. (Yes, seeing a reptilian would push her into an altered state.)

For one, I can see why David Icke continually pushes the reptillian paradigm. It is real. VERY hard to believe without the evidence of one's own eyes, but real.

FWIW, the person who can see the reptilians, has severe, painful and debilitating health issues, yet she healed someone in the last stages of pancreatic cancer ... while his 12 year old son dying of aids who was also present, could not be healed. What is weird, is the doctor who was healed, had also raped her. He tried to reach out and touch her after the healing. She recoiled, and his son said, "Don't you dare touch her."

She introduced me to David Icke, and started me on the path to awareness.

Life can be very strange, and sometimes does not make sense from our perspective.

Sierra

**pugwash84** · 27th September 2012 17:57

I do believe him about the reptiles, I think when a human is conditioned from birth to think how it does and brainwashed into living in an illusion then the human will see what the brain is telling it to see. When I draw down a squiggle on a piece of paper and try to make a picture out of it 8 times out of 10 I will end up drawing a face because human brains try to find a face out of things. If the human brain is trained enough it will see something different instead of seeing a reptile it will see a human. I think what he says makes more sense than the "truth" bizarre enough and in the uk the monarchy is through bloodlines so that is not hard to believe either. When voting there is no real choice puppet number 1 or number 2 but both are puppets, where is the choice? Where is the "None of them" box?
Everywhere in history there are reptiles on statues and such so to me when I was told about reptiles I was like OMG why didn't I see that? It's so obvious lol it's like something directly in front of your face, but you cant see it until you step back and are like wow that's what it is. I think he is bang on correct with a lot of things I've heard him say.

**davewhite04** · 27th September 2012 22:18

Posted by Arrowwind (here)
Back more to topic. Ive read some of Icke's books and watched youtube videos..

I really respect him and what he is trying to do. He has stuck with it though thick and thin for the long haul.

Where he lost me and where he looses many, I think, is in regard to the reptilian thing that he expounds on in some of his work.

Most of the stuff he talks about you can see for yourself if you are willing to open your eyes and look. There are other resources to further his remarks to take into consideration in making your determinations.
But I have a very hard time coming to terms with the shapeshifter thing and the reptilian blood (DNA) lines. Although I do understand the concept of the reptilian brain that all humans have and must contend with in their evolution... then more recently I heard, don't recall where, that he had not experienced a direct reptilian encounter personally... so its all second hand information unsubstanciated on his part?

If he had bypassed this stuff I think his message would have gone much further and have had even greater impact.

Thanks for your post, I resonate this but in the opposite direction. Some of his pioneering work, such as Reptilians and other alien theories he has. This is why I so much want to know he is doing something to change the actual world. His message to me was played out 2000 years ago, by Jesus. What happened after him...

Thanks again
Peace
Dave

**davewhite04** · 27th September 2012 22:27

Posted by Arrowwind (here)
Back more to topic. Ive read some of Icke's books and watched youtube videos..

I really respect him and what he is trying to do. He has stuck with it though thick and thin for the long haul.

Where he lost me and where he looses many, I think, is in regard to the reptilian thing that he expounds on in some of his work.

Most of the stuff he talks about you can see for yourself if you are willing to open your eyes and look. There are other resources to further his remarks to take into consideration in making your determinations.
But I have a very hard time coming to terms with the shapeshifter thing and the reptilian blood (DNA) lines. Although I do understand the concept of the reptilian brain that all humans have and must contend with in their evolution... then more recently I heard, don't recall where, that he had not experienced a direct reptilian encounter personally... so its all second hand information unsubstanciated on his part?

Hi,

I believe he did observe one, Ted Heath. This I can confirm happens.

**therinkydinktink** · 27th September 2012 22:47

Posted by davewhite04 (here)

Hi,

I believe he did observe one, Ted Heath. This I can confirm happens.

I know his nephew, he stood for parliament here as a lib dem candidate. My Dad knows him better than I but I have chatted with him a few times. Could tell youa story or two but this isn't the place.
Should I be worried?

**Cidersomerset** · 28th September 2012 00:28

**Arrowwind** · 28th September 2012 01:08

Be that as it may, because of his reptilian rap, many people will not listen to him, and that is unfortuante for he has the rest of the stuff sewn up. On the other hand, there are others who provide almost identical info that Icke does. He overall is a better presenter and more passionate than most.

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Posted by davewhite04 (here)
[Thanks for your post, I resonate this but in the opposite direction. Some of his pioneering work, such as Reptilians and other alien theories he has. This is why I so much want to know he is doing something to change the actual world. His message to me was played out 2000 years ago, by Jesus. What happened after him...

Thanks again
Peace
Dave

Aside from informing people about the incredible mess, what is it that Icke is doing to change the world?

**Reaver** · 28th September 2012 01:19

Funny how many people like to ask what someone else (usually someone with a high profile) is doing to change the world. The truly important question is to ask "What am I doing to change my own life?" "What am I doing to evolve?".

Not that is counterproductive to ask what anyone else is doing now and again, but many of those questions about what anyone else is doing to change the world are coming from people who need to have examples of sainthood and perfect models so that they can live through them.

If you are going to ask anyone else what he or she is doing to change the world or her/his life, at least take that answer and think about it so you can contrast it with your own actions and ideas. I don't look at the work that Icke publishes anymore, because quite frankly I don't find the depth that I'm interested in at the moment, nevertheless a lot of his work is valuable and the man had and has the balls to express his ideas... he took the ball and ran with it, something which I can't say for a lot of people and that includes some people within the alternative media circles and I'm not even talking about alternative media personalities.

**davewhite04** · 28th September 2012 03:08

Posted by Arrowwind (here)

Posted by davewhite04 (here)
[Thanks for your post, I resonate this but in the opposite direction. Some of his pioneering work, such as Reptilians and other alien theories he has. This is why I so much want to know he is doing something to change the actual world. His message to me was played out 2000 years ago, by Jesus. What happened after him...

Thanks again
Peace
Dave

Aside from informing people about the incredible mess, what is it that Icke is doing to change the world?

Has it changed the world?

**Cidersomerset** · 28th September 2012 03:26

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=YiPudo013rw

He cannot change the world on his own , but he has done more than most.

**ThePythonicCow** · 28th September 2012 03:39

Posted by davewhite04 (here)
Has it changed the world?

Are you still asking questions not to gain insight for yourself, but to seed doubts in others?

(Sure looks that way to me.)

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