Here and Now...What's Happening?

[Playdo of Ataraxas]

That makes it easier to comprehend, thank you for the clarification. I can honestly say that I have not accomplished this, though I can see and understand it. This is not the first time that you have stated this, and again the one question that arises from my own personal experience is that I have difficulties in recollecting so much of my past, specifically distant childhood. Is the unwinding done solely in conscious effort, in mindful recollection, or also in the subconscious, in lucid dream state? In your own experience, was this a cathartic event that occurred blam blam blam all at once, as people can describe seeing their life pass before their eyes in near death experience? Or did it occur over time through mindful meditation centered upon intentful unwinding of events from birth to present, or present to birth as you suggest? I can honestly see this and its end merit, but I am daunted by actually visiting each karmic event in my life if recollection is not easily attained. For a long time now, I have chosen to forge ahead, and not go back too far and process past events beyond the more substantial and traumatic ones.

I can't help but think of this song. It's reverberating in my head:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=TQCrWQt9maU

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by Carmody (here)
To get past it, one has to tame the ego and/or the ego body. To do so, one has to transgress or or pass through all the situations of childhood and karmic weight that one carries in the given life, to travel backward through the self, in time, and remove all the components of 'coming up', that slowly turned into autonomous body systems. The same way we learn sight (as newborns), the same way we learn motion, to drive a car. To go from complexity we don't understand and cannot complete, into autonomous aspects of the body's learned systems and subsystems. Like, for example, to shift gears on a car, while driving. At first, it is entirely conscious, then it becomes automatic. A interestingly large part of who and what we are, arrives at these situations, where automatic action or motion, or emotion has arrived from what was very conscious situations that the body had to learn.

So ... do I need to forget how to shift gears on a car?

Or do I only need to so if the autonomous 'shifter' in my body is problematic?

[Guest]

Listening to a chorus of crickets and watching a soulful moon climb behind the mountains in a still forest night.
Much cooler in the evenings now.
Thinking about the last 2 full moons. Every year I stay up and watch them rise -the night before and day of the full moon.
I always see things and energies (watch them form) in or around the full moons and I'm shown a theme for my life for the next year. Promises of spirituality and intensity.

Am putting on my to do list must go up North this year to watch the Aurora Borealis.
When I lived up there, was always amazed by the Northern Lights, Noctilucent clouds, cumulo clouds and sitting in the eye of a storm.


Love

Nora

[Carmody]

Posted by Paul (here)

Posted by Carmody (here)
To get past it, one has to tame the ego and/or the ego body. To do so, one has to transgress or or pass through all the situations of childhood and karmic weight that one carries in the given life, to travel backward through the self, in time, and remove all the components of 'coming up', that slowly turned into autonomous body systems. The same way we learn sight (as newborns), the same way we learn motion, to drive a car. To go from complexity we don't understand and cannot complete, into autonomous aspects of the body's learned systems and subsystems. Like, for example, to shift gears on a car, while driving. At first, it is entirely conscious, then it becomes automatic. A interestingly large part of who and what we are, arrives at these situations, where automatic action or motion, or emotion has arrived from what was very conscious situations that the body had to learn.

So ... do I need to forget how to shift gears on a car?

Or do I only need to so if the autonomous 'shifter' in my body is problematic?

You need to remember the event of learning how to shift gears, if it was traumatic and caused a 'knot' in the psyche or unconscious. Something that added to the ego body individually and collectively, in the form of a negative context that is expressed in life, as your overall vibration. To go back and find them, to relive them all, until they settle into a new clarity on what really happened, not the ego-body-memory, that is skewed.

It can be done, but it is not easy. recall that the human mind literally does break neural connections to trauma. The nasty task of finding them and reliving them until they are clear and 'zeroed',and using meditation and euphoric states to build NEW and clear channels around and through those events. to be able to look at them to see them clearly in all their angles and issues, with no pressures or fears, or emotional turmoil. That is my experience and ...I believe that when I read the answer book, after I completed these tasks, that esoteric acts like Buddhism confirm that.

I did it cold, so that I would not be filling my mind with projections from Buddhism, I committed wholly to a test of real vs potential projection. I was not fooling around, I wanted a real test, unbiased. Thus, no reading, no information, nothing. No potential to be reflecting something I read or heard about. As the Nike advert said. 'Just do it'. No pissing around. My answers and finding where the same as all others who have cleanly and clearly traveled that road of the unraveling and repairing of the self.

The white powder of gold and the secret society ways are not considered realistic, as the ego body and problems may remain, but the dimensional connection is made. And that is apparently, possibly... the disaster we are living with, regarding this hidden group, that is what it is suspected that they are made of. Unclear 'wizards' with esoteric capacities. Very bad news. As if a 'evil' ego-body dimensional manifestation wasn't bad enough. They may be just fine, but it is hard to say, without ever having met them.

Correctly done alchemy is all about clearing the self as preparation for taking the powder of gold, as this manifestation of neural growth and connection to all that the powder brings to the individual, with all the ego and karmic issues coming to the fore, all at once, tends to cause more than a bit of madness. thus, again..their teachings, the alchemical mystery schools, are about clearing the self as preparation for the experience of the consumption of the powder. those who have taken the true powder without prior clearing say that, well...it s an experience that they'd not care to do again.

[Playdo of Ataraxas]

If I understand correctly, in my own simple verbiage, to revisit and ho'oponopono the karmic knots, present to birth. Daunting still, but certainly achievable. I feel, intuitively, if the intent was set to do so, that the knots would present themselves to be resolved, in regards to my up-to-this-point conscious choice of denying myself the resurgence of the memory of said events.

Thanks for making that more practical for a dense dodo, Carmody.

[Carmody]

i was lucky, in that I had quite a few traumatic events that left good solid markers to find. They where ugly, but they left their stamp, thus they could be found. I even managed to confirm the existence of them, via asking family members about them. (mother and father, and so on). Trauma was disaster in it's unrealized form, but it was also a ladder to freedom. Quite humorous, in the final analysis.

The trick that really blew it apart, dimensionally, was the passing through the birth, into the womb, and reliving that, as a current conscious state. Then just a bit further back, is the connection of body to spirit...and then, growing that as a fully blown euphorically enhanced neural newness/consciousness. Holy mother of god.....

[Playdo of Ataraxas]

Though this incarnation of mine has been rather domestic and without severe trauma (thank Gawd!), the relativeness of traumatic events on the avatar are substantial nonetheless. Your last post reminded me of something that I have always meditated upon. My parents and siblings have always said that I cried and cried and cried without reason or cessation for the first three years of my life much to their disquietude. I have always replied that I was lamenting my birth. I do not remember explicitly any past lives. Only glimpses here and there. I cannot claim clairvoyance of my past incarnations, only a dull gray memory of a history, and I have always felt that it has been a long long long time since I last incarnated. And when, after choosing to do so, and entering the womb and then life through birth, I lamented the decision well into childhood. I did not come forth into acceptance and happiness until I was 16. My family recalls me as a very serious and sad child for no reason. I did not grow up in poverty or duress and I had two loving parents. Hell, I refused to potty train until I was eight years old. I chalk that up to being accustomed to not having to deal with defecation and micturation in the state and period before this incarnation. Maybe its birth where I should begin untying knots.......

[Carmody]

Posted by Playdo of Ataraxas (here)
Though this incarnation of mine has been rather domestic and without severe trauma (thank Gawd!), the relativeness of traumatic events on the avatar are substantial nonetheless. Your last post reminded me of something that I have always meditated upon. My parents and siblings have always said that I cried and cried and cried without reason or cessation for the first three years of my life much to their disquietude. I have always replied that I was lamenting my birth. I do not remember explicitly any past lives. Only glimpses here and there. I cannot claim clairvoyance of my past incarnations, only a dull gray memory of a history, and I have always felt that it has been a long long long time since I last incarnated. And when, after choosing to do so, and entering the womb and then life through birth, I lamented the decision well into childhood. I did not come forth into acceptance and happiness until I was 16. My family recalls me as a very serious and sad child for no reason. I did not grow up in poverty or duress and I had two loving parents. Hell, I refused to potty train until I was eight years old. I chalk that up to being accustomed to not having to deal with defecation and micturation in the state and period before this incarnation. Maybe its birth where I should begin untying knots.......

Dig in! In my experience, only good can come of it....but it may not immediately feel that way..

[Playdo of Ataraxas]

Muchas gracias, amigo! Buenos noches todos. Yo tengo mucho trabajo......

[Whiskey_Mystic]

Just popping in to say hello and let you know that everything is going wonderfully. Miss you all.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=KoVO_PFWxqI

[Nanoo Nanoo]

Posted by ulli (here)

Posted by Nanoo Nanoo (here)

Posted by ulli (here)

Posted by Nanoo Nanoo (here)
This is a great lesson on how focusing energy on something can make it grow into an occupation. Sorry i havent been involved i was busy outside getting an ant tan :-)

Nanoo
Nanoo

:-)

scoundrel :-)

The jig is up ! Run awayyyyy run awayyyyy!


:-)

Do I have to go in disguise?

Get rid of the moustache, its a giveaway :-)

N

[ulli]

Posted by Carmody (here)

Posted by Playdo of Ataraxas (here)
Though this incarnation of mine has been rather domestic and without severe trauma (thank Gawd!), the relativeness of traumatic events on the avatar are substantial nonetheless. Your last post reminded me of something that I have always meditated upon. My parents and siblings have always said that I cried and cried and cried without reason or cessation for the first three years of my life much to their disquietude. I have always replied that I was lamenting my birth. I do not remember explicitly any past lives. Only glimpses here and there. I cannot claim clairvoyance of my past incarnations, only a dull gray memory of a history, and I have always felt that it has been a long long long time since I last incarnated. And when, after choosing to do so, and entering the womb and then life through birth, I lamented the decision well into childhood. I did not come forth into acceptance and happiness until I was 16. My family recalls me as a very serious and sad child for no reason. I did not grow up in poverty or duress and I had two loving parents. Hell, I refused to potty train until I was eight years old. I chalk that up to being accustomed to not having to deal with defecation and micturation in the state and period before this incarnation. Maybe its birth where I should begin untying knots.......

Dig in! In my experience, only good can come of it....but it may not immediately feel that way..

This is where the rest of us can come in, giving quiet assistance and encouragement. When the process is completed will one then know the purpose of ones incarnation?
It might help to know that...for some it is the golden carrot. Playdo as a Capricorn might want to see the summit he is attempting to climb.

[araucaria]

Posted by araucaria (here)
Thank you Ulli it's very kind of you to say so.

French is not the language of diplomacy for nothing. It is naturally so much more precise. A contract will read almost as normal French. Most English speakers trying for the same precision will either murder the language or end up facing litigation

It would have been useful to have given one or two examples. One possible source of confusion in language is pronouns. For example what does ‘it’ refer back to? Often there will be more than one possibility. French has two words for ‘it’, ‘il’ or ‘elle’, depending on the gender of the noun, so the language is naturally clearer, but also more comfortable with phrases like ‘the former’ and ‘the latter’, which are clumsy in English. Legal texts have to find other ways, but normal English will often simply tolerate a degree of ambiguity and hope for the best.

Another area is the use of conjunctions and linking phrases. English isn’t keen on ‘thus’, ‘therefore’, ‘indeed’, ‘however’ etc. if it can get away with just a few ‘ands’ and ‘buts’. French is uncomfortable without such link words, and can sometimes seem pedantic because of this. Typically, for this and others reasons, the wordcount will be 10% higher. The thing is that conjunctions are useful signals for the reader as he or she navigates through a piece of writing. Moreover, they are also useful signals for writers working out what they want to say. They don’t always really know

I once worked on a book whose author was allergic to conjunctions, and I spent a good deal of time working out what the missing links were in order to understand what he was saying. If he had done this work himself, he might have noticed a few U-turns when he was basically saying, ‘Contradicting what I just wrote…’. And even more importantly, he might have taken the exploration of his subject to a deeper level… and gone down the proverbial rabbithole

My point here is that the above examples are just tactical considerations, to be seen as part of an overall strategy. Boileau says ‘ce qui se conçoit bien s’énonce clairement’ (what’s clear in the mind can be stated clearly); but it works both ways: what is stated clearly becomes clear in the mind. In other words, written language is not a vehicle of pre-established thought, it is thinking in action. Hence writing is not like speech which we all possess fairly naturally from a very early age; it is a skill that we need to work on. I am merely suggesting that close contact with a language like French is helpful in that regard, more so than English with its ‘loose grammar’

One of the understated yet major features of the Internet revolution is that we have all become writers; many are unconscious writers who think it is just more speech. But it can get dangerous. Nowadays you can buy electrical hardware from a DIY store, but fortunately not everyone is going to rewire their own home! It may look OK, until you turn the power on. Similarly, the notions I discussed above are to be seen as part of a circuit diagram for language – harmless enough until you plug it in to an ungrounded power supply of emotions and other uncontrolled states of mind. Just throw that switch and sparks may fly!

[ulli]

Posted by araucaria (here)

Posted by araucaria (here)
Thank you Ulli it's very kind of you to say so.

French is not the language of diplomacy for nothing. It is naturally so much more precise. A contract will read almost as normal French. Most English speakers trying for the same precision will either murder the language or end up facing litigation

It would have been useful to have given one or two examples. One possible source of confusion in language is pronouns. For example what does ‘it’ refer back to? Often there will be more than one possibility. French has two words for ‘it’, ‘il’ or ‘elle’, depending on the gender of the noun, so the language is naturally clearer, but also more comfortable with phrases like ‘the former’ and ‘the latter’, which are clumsy in English. Legal texts have to find other ways, but normal English will often simply tolerate a degree of ambiguity and hope for the best.

Another area is the use of conjunctions and linking phrases. English isn’t keen on ‘thus’, ‘therefore’, ‘indeed’, ‘however’ etc. if it can get away with just a few ‘ands’ and ‘buts’. French is uncomfortable without such link words, and can sometimes seem pedantic because of this. Typically, for this and others reasons, the wordcount will be 10% higher. The thing is that conjunctions are useful signals for the reader as he or she navigates through a piece of writing. Moreover, they are also useful signals for writers working out what they want to say. They don’t always really know

I once worked on a book whose author was allergic to conjunctions, and I spent a good deal of time working out what the missing links were in order to understand what he was saying. If he had done this work himself, he might have noticed a few U-turns when he was basically saying, ‘Contradicting what I just wrote…’. And even more importantly, he might have taken the exploration of his subject to a deeper level… and gone down the proverbial rabbithole

My point here is that the above examples are just tactical considerations, to be seen as part of an overall strategy. Boileau says ‘ce qui se conçoit bien s’énonce clairement’ (what’s clear in the mind can be stated clearly); but it works both ways: what is stated clearly becomes clear in the mind. In other words, written language is not a vehicle of pre-established thought, it is thinking in action. Hence writing is not like speech which we all possess fairly naturally from a very early age; it is a skill that we need to work on. I am merely suggesting that close contact with a language like French is helpful in that regard, more so than English with its ‘loose grammar’

One of the understated yet major features of the Internet revolution is that we have all become writers; many are unconscious writers who think it is just more speech. But it can get dangerous. Nowadays you can buy electrical hardware from a DIY store, but fortunately not everyone is going to rewire their own home! It may look OK, until you turn the power on. Similarly, the notions I discussed above are to be seen as part of a circuit diagram for language – harmless enough until you plug it in to an ungrounded power supply of emotions and other uncontrolled states of mind. Just throw that switch and sparks may fly!

Wow, I just learnt a ton of new considerations. And I promise to make more use of emoticons in future. This post cleared so many things for me. Thank you.

[Sierra]

Posted by araucaria (here)
It would have been useful to have given one or two examples. One possible source of confusion in language is pronouns. For example what does ‘it’ refer back to? Often there will be more than one possibility. French has two words for ‘it’, ‘il’ or ‘elle’, depending on the gender of the noun, so the language is naturally clearer, but also more comfortable with phrases like ‘the former’ and ‘the latter’, which are clumsy in English. Legal texts have to find other ways, but normal English will often simply tolerate a degree of ambiguity and hope for the best.

My mother drove me mad with her ambiguous "it" and "its". After many years, I came to the conclusion that in life, she was sloppy on purpose, to avoid taking responsibility, and that avoidance, came out in her language.

Posted by araucaria (here)
Another area is the use of conjunctions and linking phrases. English isn’t keen on ‘thus’, ‘therefore’, ‘indeed’, ‘however’ etc. if it can get away with just a few ‘ands’ and ‘buts’. French is uncomfortable without such link words, and can sometimes seem pedantic because of this. Typically, for this and others reasons, the wordcount will be 10% higher. The thing is that conjunctions are useful signals for the reader as he or she navigates through a piece of writing. Moreover, they are also useful signals for writers working out what they want to say. They don’t always really know

And 'moreover'.
That leaped out at me, after reading the above lol.

Posted by araucaria (here)
Similarly, the notions I discussed above are to be seen as part of a circuit diagram for language – harmless enough until you plug it in to an ungrounded power supply of emotions and other uncontrolled states of mind. Just throw that switch and sparks may fly!

Uncontrolled states of mind. Fascinating phrase.

[Sierra]

Carmody,

Oh right on about trauma. I am grateful now, that my father tried to kill me at 18 mos. Astonishing you self dealt with the inner demons without outer influence. I was not aware enough or perceptive enough to process my inner bumps and bruises without many gifts that were put into my life, to teach me about awareness. I look back and I am shocked at the gifts strewn at my feet.

To this day, I am aware of the maddening slipperiness of my thoughts if I happen to remember a traumatic event. A thought connected to a trauma will STILL immediately vanish from my mind, and I have to sit there for five or ten minutes digging to get it back for processing.

One of many acid trips I took as a young woman, ended up being about processing my traumatic birth. I had this "thing" in my left foot, that was an unending and ever present PUSH. I would stretch like mad but I could not get the PUSH out of my foot. As I reviewed the birth, I became aware that I was PUSHING with that foot in a vain attempt to help myself to get out. As I was dying, my heart beat fading, the doctor ripped me out with forceps. I am hanging upside down in the air, and I see my mother's face. She is HORRIFIED and I am so hurt hurt hurt. Unbelievably hurt. After the trip, I described it to my mother. She said yes, I was pushing in one place in her ribs and I would not QUIT. I asked her about the horrified expression and she said well I was blue and messed up by the forceps. Nothing personal there, no hurt intended. And then she says (insert face palm here), "Well I am glad you can understand now why I didn't bond with you... " I staggered home in another state of shock lol just as bad as the shock I felt processing the birth. My gut is a bit large and abyssy right now even thinking of her reaction. More work to do, isn't there always. Or is there? Does one ever actually reach clarity? What would clarity feel like? Do I know clarity and not know that I know and is that possible?

As I read your words, Shamanism and Scientology (auditing) come to mind as processing tools for clearing garbage. Scientology (before it was trashed by Miscavage) from what I've read was adamant, that you HAD to be CLEAR before messing with higher perceptions and energies, otherwise one's internal weakness in structure ... think the tower of Barad Dur falling and the entity within exploding outward.

Even the small amount of processing I've done, has taught me humility toward my OWN perceptions. I know that my perceptions cannot be trusted. I look for patterns now or synchronicity as well. No, that doesn't quite say what I mean, though I think it is true as well. There is some other aspect that comes into play now. I look for my own emotional response, as a clue that I might need to clear out some more. That hard won increase in perception of energy, the corresponding response in greater patience and slowness to judge, has changed my relationships for the better in so many ways.

I do not understand your opening comment about Buddhism. A meditation practice can prevent inner clearing? I must be doing meditation wrong then ... I cannot tell you how many times I've sat to meditate and crap for processing comes up with hours of weeping. I just figured it was part of the meditation process. Oops and Damn.

I do not understand, I am completely unaware (I guess because it has always been part of my environment as a fish in water would not understand being a fish in air? Or because it is unconscious?) the collective, my part in it, and how to clear or process or become aware of "it". (Sorry for the sloppy "it", not really sure what to call "it".) Or more specifically, how it impacted the Village in the last few days. I am "hearing" you say there is a connection, and this may be a right or wrong assumption on my part, just not sure.

Thank you much Carmody.

Sierra

[1inMany]

Thank you, Carmody, for the light reading with my coffee this morning And thank you, Playdo, for asking the questions that clarified some of it...questions I did not know I had until I read the answers.

A couple of thoughts spring to mind while processing this. It is shadow work, but in a scheduled and purposefully selected way rather than the way it usually occurs for me which is thrown at me through life events. Also, it reminds me of the reason many people seek and benefit from therapy. For example, in therapy one might stumble upon a personal issue of lacking self worth. Upon digging, one might find the first time one felt such lack of self worth. It may stem from a memory of being 3 years old and being told the birthday party could not be held at Disneyworld like the friend's. A child may form the connection of not being as "important" or "valuable" or "as good as" the friend. Upon realizing this origin of the self-esteem problem, the self worth can be reformed with new understanding. Thus the memories we build and protect all through our earthly lives are recordings that play and replay. Upon finding the origin, we can actually replace those old recordings with new ones and consciously play and re-play those until they become natural. And, usually, these recordings lead to a more healthy emotional life as they are based on adult understandings rather than a child's.

That, of course, is not exactly what you are talking about, but it does give me a context with which to work.

Good Morning,

It is chilly and quiet this morning. No air conditioners running, and the absence of this noise feels wonderful. I was thinking last night as I was trying to sleep that being frazzled during changing and wild energies feels to me like a bunch of people are yelling all at once in my direction. It feels like so much noise in my head that I can't think. Yes, that is what it has been feeling like.

Today, my goal is simple. Get both kids to school. Contemplating all the productive things that can be done in that case...

Much Love to Us All,

[Chester]

Posted by Samsara (here)
I’m so happy the Village is still growing/healing and I’m so sad because I got to feel my great attachment to this place. This requires a change in me. Where do I fit in Avalon apart from the Village? I could not, and still can’t, figure that one out. I was at that point when I first started walking through the Village. I got comfortable here and isolated myself from the rest of Avalon.

Its my own dilemma too... my life. I always sought a safe place for my kids, my whole family... yes, myself. And then I have this energy that pulls me towards LIFE, towards risk, towards gamble. I think, "Why did I incarnate in earth school in the first place? Why would I choose to come to a war planet, to hide?" And then I go a little too far sometimes, get scrared and seek that safe place. And when I am there in the arms of safety, I am really glad to be there.

and then I get bored again, and off I go to roll the dice of LIFE!

Love to ALL this fine morning (as the soft buzz of a single engine plane passes by) Chester

[Flash]

Posted by araucaria (here)

Posted by araucaria (here)
Thank you Ulli it's very kind of you to say so.

French is not the language of diplomacy for nothing. It is naturally so much more precise. A contract will read almost as normal French. Most English speakers trying for the same precision will either murder the language or end up facing litigation

It would have been useful to have given one or two examples. One possible source of confusion in language is pronouns. For example what does ‘it’ refer back to? Often there will be more than one possibility. French has two words for ‘it’, ‘il’ or ‘elle’, depending on the gender of the noun, so the language is naturally clearer, but also more comfortable with phrases like ‘the former’ and ‘the latter’, which are clumsy in English. Legal texts have to find other ways, but normal English will often simply tolerate a degree of ambiguity and hope for the best.

Another area is the use of conjunctions and linking phrases. English isn’t keen on ‘thus’, ‘therefore’, ‘indeed’, ‘however’ etc. if it can get away with just a few ‘ands’ and ‘buts’. French is uncomfortable without such link words, and can sometimes seem pedantic because of this. Typically, for this and others reasons, the wordcount will be 10% higher. The thing is that conjunctions are useful signals for the reader as he or she navigates through a piece of writing. Moreover, they are also useful signals for writers working out what they want to say. They don’t always really know

I once worked on a book whose author was allergic to conjunctions, and I spent a good deal of time working out what the missing links were in order to understand what he was saying. If he had done this work himself, he might have noticed a few U-turns when he was basically saying, ‘Contradicting what I just wrote…’. And even more importantly, he might have taken the exploration of his subject to a deeper level… and gone down the proverbial rabbithole

My point here is that the above examples are just tactical considerations, to be seen as part of an overall strategy. Boileau says ‘ce qui se conçoit bien s’énonce clairement’ (what’s clear in the mind can be stated clearly); but it works both ways: what is stated clearly becomes clear in the mind. In other words, written language is not a vehicle of pre-established thought, it is thinking in action. Hence writing is not like speech which we all possess fairly naturally from a very early age; it is a skill that we need to work on. I am merely suggesting that close contact with a language like French is helpful in that regard, more so than English with its ‘loose grammar’

One of the understated yet major features of the Internet revolution is that we have all become writers; many are unconscious writers who think it is just more speech. But it can get dangerous. Nowadays you can buy electrical hardware from a DIY store, but fortunately not everyone is going to rewire their own home! It may look OK, until you turn the power on. Similarly, the notions I discussed above are to be seen as part of a circuit diagram for language – harmless enough until you plug it in to an ungrounded power supply of emotions and other uncontrolled states of mind. Just throw that switch and sparks may fly!

I could not agree more with your whole text.

It is very difficult to explain to a unilingual person what the different thinking frames are when using a different language. Often, while trying to explain the complexity and precision of the French language to English speaking people, I will get an answer such as "what are you talking about, English is very complex, we have X verbs, Y nouns, a grammar that does a b c, etc), I would never have such an answer from a multilingual person. It is just, plainly, different ways of thinking, with its advantages and disadvantages. But it definitly is another model of the world. More languages one knows, more complex understanding one can have with the written language and mostly, more induction/deduction one may make from a badly written text in order to come to understand it.

Yes English is a more loose language in terms or grammar, but the advantages of this is a greater potential for creative thinking or conncecting information in a loose way leading to new global comprehension.

And I "hate French teachers driving me nuts with their high demands on spelling and complex grammar" lol. But French definitely has its advantages in thinking as well, for understanding subtleties in a precise fashion amongst others. Spanish has other advantages and brings in a different perspective as well (from what I know of it). And Turkish, my friends, another grammatical planet altogether (could not grasp that one yet) ... no wonder we find them different....


I WOULD ADD TO THE LANGUAGE IMPACTS, IN A COMPLEMENTARY WAY, THE CULTURAL BIAISES IMPACTS

On a forum such as this one, with people from all over, you have to add the HUGE impact of culture and cultural biaises as well as culturally determined behaviors that have a compounded impact on the writings and the comprehension of the written text.

For example, an Eastern European will try to raise arguments and go deep in the argumenting mode because, culturally, it is not only accepted but also a sign of intelligence and intellectual pursuit and pleasurable. I call it argumenting for the sake of argumentation. I often, as a North American (but French speaking Quebecer), see no pleasure nor use for it. So I think that their behavior is gross and direspectful. They think I am a stupid thinker. Well, I have learned to see the real situation without judging, but for most, it is difficult to comprehend (on both sides). I have seen this situation again and again and again in many different cultural encounters, Montreal being a melting pot of the whole planet, and having lived and worked in at least 3 countries, and work in a fourth one as well.

Culture plus language has a huge impact on thinking and writing. Another example I truly do not understand the obligation of wearing arms for American. To me, and to most Canadians and to most Europeans, this is incredible, we would even say, some of us, violent behavior. I came, however, throught exchanges, to understand the logic beneath it viewed from an American point of view. Therefore no more judgment. It is like that for lots of things, sexual contexts, religious thinkings, nationalistic tinted views, `family life understanding, relationships, etc. The cultural differences are just vast. And add to this the individual differences, you see...

This is why acceptance and reworking broken relationships is so important worlwide. This is why relationships are so easy to brake. Across languages and cultures, tolerance is a must, reworking a necessity. In my views.

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Good morning. It's a sunny day here with only river noise. No birds. Where are they?
Ahh, we are in October, they have all learnt to fly by now. Busy flying.
I see the forum conversations have gone to graduate level.
Justoneman do you realize what this means? You won't ever get bored around here.
Any physical battles you might be contemplating can be rehearsed in our war room here, and maybe even get solved at the Village level before spilling into the great metropolis.