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    AriG ...What if any changes of recent times has happened in the
    life of this dog ??

    I'm talking changes to the environment also here, or
    some sort if fright , scare or loss ??
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    Here (and Now) I sit. Contemplating, trying to think, trying not to think. Four days out of five, I drop the girls at school and want to do nothing but come home and go straight back to bed. Very seldom do I actually go through with this, but very often does it cross my mind.

    I think today might be a day I go through with it. This is the first day I've had to myself since last Friday, so a week. That much being around anyone is too much for me any more. I need space and alone-ness. I'm over stimulated, lol. Em has some kind of infection, says the doctor. M is probably the worse of the two, but didn't want to go to the doctor, so I don't have to say she is sick, technically.

    Have a good day, All, and sweet dreams.
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    The Carrington event only becomes a catastrophe with hindsight. In the here and now of then and there it was no more than a warning shot across the bows. Interestingly it happened when On The Origin of Species was at the printers, and to me it can be seen as a kind of book review suggesting that if man thought he was a very smart ape, he was wrong on both counts – the wrong kind of smart, and devolving rather than evolving.

    Since then we have had Daniel Quinn’s gorilla teacher Ishmael putting the boot firmly on the other foot, and contrasting the ‘Takers’ of this world with the ‘Leavers’.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ishmael_%28novel%29
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    Quote Ishmael says:

    "There's nothing fundamentally wrong with people. Given a story to enact that puts them in accord with the world, they will live in accord with the world. But given a story to enact that puts them at odds with the world, as yours does, they will live at odds with the world. Given a story to enact in which they are the lords of the world, they will act as the lords of the world. And, given a story to enact in which the world is a foe to be conquered, they will conquer it like a foe, and one day, inevitably, their foe will lie bleeding to death at their feet, as the world is now."

    Ishmael goes on to help his student discover that, contrary to what the Takers think, there are immutable laws that life is subject to and it is possible to discern them by studying the biological community. Together, Ishmael and his student identify one set of survival strategies which appear to be evolutionarily stable for all species (later dubbed the "Law of Limited Competition"): In short, "you may compete to the full extent of your capabilities, but you may not hunt down competitors or destroy their food or deny them access to food. In other words, you may compete but you may not wage war." All species inevitably follow this law, or as a consequence go extinct. The Takers believe themselves to be exempt from this Law and flout it at every point.

    Ishmael explains how the Takers rendered themselves above the laws governing life, using the story of The Fall of Man as an example. His version of why the fruit was forbidden to Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden is: eating the fruit of the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil provides the gods with the knowledge of who shall live and who shall die—knowledge which they need to rule the world. The fruit nourishes only the gods, though. If Adam ("man") were to eat from this tree, he might think that he gained the gods' wisdom (without this actually happening) and consequently destroy the world and himself through his arrogance. "And so they said to him, you may eat of every tree in the garden, save the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil, for on the day you eat of that tree, you will certainly die."

    Ishmael makes the point that this story of the Fall of Man, which the Takers have adopted as their own, was in fact developed by Leavers to explain the origin of the Takers. If it were of Taker origin, the story would be of liberating ascent instead of a sinful fall.

    Ishmael and his student go on to discuss how, for the ancient Semitic herders among whom the tale originated, the story of Cain killing Abel symbolizes the Leaver being killed off and their lands taken so that it could be put under cultivation. These ancient herders realized that the Takers were acting as if they were gods themselves, with all the wisdom of what is good and evil and how to rule the world. And as a result the gods banished these people from the Garden and they were brought from a life of bounty in the hands of the gods to one of being the accursed tillers of the soil.

    To begin discerning the Leavers' story, Ishmael proposes to his student a hypothesis: the Takers' Agricultural Revolution was a revolution against the Leavers' story.

    The Leavers take what they need from the world and leave the rest alone. Living in this manner ("in the hands of the gods"), Leavers thrive in times of abundance and dwindle in times of scarcity. The Takers however, practicing their unique form of agriculture (dubbed by Quinn, Totalitarian agriculture) produce enormous food surpluses, which allows them to thwart the gods when they decide it's the Takers' time to go hungry. "When you have more food than you need, then the gods have no power over you." Thus, Ishmael points out that the Takers revolution was not just a technological change, but also serves a mythological function.

    "So we have a new pair of names for you: The Takers are 'those who know good and evil' and the Leavers are 'those who live in the hands of the gods'."

    Ishmael goes on to point out that by living in the hands of the gods, man is subject to the conditions under which evolution takes place. Australopithecus became Homo by living in the hands of the gods—Man became man by living in the hands of the gods-- "by living the way the bushmen of Africa live; by living the way the Krenakarore of Brazil live... Not the way the Chicagoans live, not the way Londoners live." "In the hands of the gods is where evolution happens." According to the Takers' story, creation came to an end with man. "In order to make their story come true, the Takers have to put an end to creation itself-- and they're doing a damn good job of it!"

    Ishmael brings together his synopsis on human culture by examining the story enacted by Leaver cultures, which provides a model of how to live—an alternative story for the Takers to enact.

    "The premise of the Takers' story is 'The world belongs to man.' ...The premise of the Leavers' story is 'Man belongs to the world.'"

    "For three million years, man belonged to the world and because he belonged to the world, he grew and developed and became brighter and more dexterous until one day, he was so bright and so dexterous that we had to call him Homo sapiens sapiens-- which means he was us."

    "The Leavers' story is 'the gods made man for the world, the same way they made salmon and sparrows for the world. This seems to have worked well so far so we can take it easy and leave the running of the world to the gods'."

    Ishmael emphasizes that "not in any sense is the Takers story 'chapter two' of the story which was being enacted here during the first three million years of human life. The Leavers' story has its own 'chapter two'." In evolution, observes Ishmael's student, there seems to be a tendency toward complexity, and towards self-awareness and intelligence. Perhaps the gods intend the world to be filled with intelligent, self-aware creatures and man's destiny following the Leavers' story is "to be the first- without being the last"; to learn and then to be a role-model and teacher for all those capable of becoming what he's become.
    Not a bad story. How about another mythology, that of the Explorers. They can be Takers, as well as Leavers, alternating between those two roles. Behaving like well-behaved guests- with the full knowledge that when the party is over they go home.
    This also reminded me of another novel I read years ago...of a fictional ape. Cannot recall he author nor the title.
    A scientist had been working for three weeks on the ocean floor and when he comes back up to his ship everyone has died as a result of a nuclear war which happened while he was under water.
    The only survivor was a chimpanzee, which had belonged to a fellow scientist. This chimp had a bandage around its neck, and when the guy removed it he saw two copper wires sticking out. When he accidentally connected the two wires the chimp started talking to him.
    Thus began the story of the relationship between a Jewish scientist and his Fundie Christian chimpanzee, all alone on a depopulated planet.

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    I hate to bring this up right after a serious post, but this is the "here and now" thread, here goes:

    My husband just texted me from the vet's office wherein he has just been informed that one of our dogs has.......... dementia. Googled it. Its a real thing..

    My first response to my husband was " only we could have a dog with dementia. ".. then peals of laughter, now I am wondering about the history of this phenomenon. This animal has been on a home made organi diet, has only had one vaccination in 9 years and drinks water with no fluoride.

    Any one else out there ever had this occur? Thoughts? Recommendations?

    Thanks very much for any advice.
    So what were the symptoms?
    Non stop pacing, partial blindness, partial deafness ( which the vet feels brought on the dementia), panting ( cushings ruled out), constantly underfoot, won't settle, confusion, anger, irritability, chewing feet, trying to attack horse hooves (she's a 17 lb terrier).

    The vet gave us some doggie Prozac and it had an instant result. I think I would like to look into holistic remedies for the longer term ( thank you Astrid for the invite, I'll probably be contacting you).

    What has improved as well is my sense of well being. This dog was driving me insane with the constant pacing and clickety clack of toesnails on the floor. Apparently, it was like separation anxiety as she doesn't know why she can't see and no one speaks to her any longer. Needless to say, I am hoarse from shouting so she can hear me. Don't want her to think she is isolated.
    I have a feeling Astrid can help your dog....
    You've come to the right place.

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    Quote Posted by ulli (here)

    Not a bad story. How about another mythology, that of the Explorers. They can be Takers, as well as Leavers, alternating between those two roles. Behaving like well-behaved guests- with the full knowledge that when the party is over they go home.
    This also reminded me of another novel I read years ago...of a fictional ape. Cannot recall he author nor the title.
    A scientist had been working for three weeks on the ocean floor and when he comes back up to his ship everyone has died as a result of a nuclear war which happened while he was under water.
    The only survivor was a chimpanzee, which had belonged to a fellow scientist. This chimp had a bandage around its neck, and when the guy removed it he saw two copper wires sticking out. When he accidentally connected the two wires the chimp started talking to him.
    Thus began the story of the relationship between a Jewish scientist and his Fundie Christian chimpanzee, all alone on a depopulated planet.
    I agree that the picture as presented is over simplistic (dualistic). Not sure about this other story - nuclear or any devastation on such a scale is very much off the table as far as I’m concerned
    I’m just listening again to Jay Weidner’s 2010 interview with Kerry quoting the Puranas, and the 60,000 year cycle, with the end of the Kali Yuga dated to 2442, i.e. 666 years after 1776. Apparently in the 1890s the ptb freaked out on hearing that the Mayan date of 2011 might be more correct, and so they have been speeding up their operations to ‘get out of Dodge’ to Mars, just in case. According to this theory, we have over four centuries to get our act together in easier conditions, i.e. with no one but the human guardians to deal with, which sounds pretty good to me.

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    I agree that the picture as presented is over simplistic (dualistic). Not sure about this other story - nuclear or any devastation on such a scale is very much off the table as far as I’m concerned
    I’m just listening again to Jay Weidner’s 2010 interview with Kerry quoting the Puranas, and the 60,000 year cycle, with the end of the Kali Yuga dated to 2442, i.e. 666 years after 1776. Apparently in the 1890s the ptb freaked out on hearing that the Mayan date of 2011 might be more correct, and so they have been speeding up their operations to ‘get out of Dodge’ to Mars, just in case. According to this theory, we have over four centuries to get our act together in easier conditions, i.e. with no one but the human guardians to deal with, which sounds pretty good to me.
    I'm hearing you about the post-WW3 scenario, like I heard you about the Dice Man.
    I wouldn't waste my time reading books like that now, knowing what I know.

    I discovered late in life that our reality is being created by the collective beliefs in a variety of mythologies...
    these days "Urban Mythologies" could be the more correct description.
    Those of us who have discovered without a doubt that consciousness if the foundation of matter
    may well become the contributors to tomorrows mythology, and thus even reality.
    If Hollywood weren't such a cesspool of money grabbers
    they could use the industry to uplift people spiritually,
    instead of creating the myth that being a sports hunk
    or a dimwit with a cosmetically altered body would be the door to happiness.
    Not saying that there aren't some decent stories coming out,
    but most of the stuff perpetuates the lies of scarcity and the use of force and deception to get what one wants.
    Meanwhile we here will keep pushing this other myth:
    that a refined culture of dialogue and learning, of mutual appreciation and even celebration is preferable.

    As Baha'u'llah said: "Noble have I created thee, yet thou hast debased thyself".
    Far cry from "born in sin".....

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    Just when we could use the sun to warm people up that still have no heat or electric, the sky's here in NY are being painted dark by chemtrail activity,,,,, just made things worse,,,,and it makes me wonder.
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    Quote Posted by WhiteFeather (here)
    Just when we could use the sun to warm people up that still have no heat or electric, the sky's here in NY are being painted dark by chemtrail activity,,,,, just made things worse,,,,and it makes me wonder.
    Pumped up activity today this way too in MA, WhiteFeather...Grrrrrr...doing what I may when they are in my(our) way!

    Wishing You the Best in a smooth rebound from the storm!

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    Quote Posted by Anastasia (here)
    Dark and Light is pervasive. It is everywhere, infiltrated, even within the White House.

    I Know, without a doubt Barac Obama is of The Light. I know it. Sorry, all who disagree. This is my heart and soul opinion...

    More will be revealed.

    We are being summoned to be our true higher selves.

    Anastasia
    last night I had my Spirit guide pop into my dream for some answers...

    she reminded me that not everyone can look forward and back to see the outcome of what is going on in this election.

    we have 3 channel Masters here at Avalon, Carmody, Modwiz and myself capable of looking forward to see what each choice will do...

    the battle for this timeline is what you are reading as light and darkness, but take it from 3 of us that know, who are fighting for Obama which direction is the light.

    I'm rather impatient with those that just don't see what I'm trying to share about this election, but have forgotten most rely on what is being shared through media that they can see in black and white and are easily manipulated.

    all three of us are pouring light of protection around Obama, we know which path is better for the future of this world...

    the battle you are seeing right now Anastasia, is the looming timelines for our world, one leads to destruction, the other a struggle. the struggle helps us all grow...

    whoever wins this election I will stand by in Spirit, I gave Cheney 3 psychic exorcisms over the years to keep him from being manipulated by forces beyond us. it wasn't easy and he was hospitalized with heart problems after each one, but what doesn't kill him, makes him stronger, let's just say even he has had a change of heart.

    I'm done being upset trying to open people's eyes about the election, I already know the winner and there is no use in taking part in the final arguments leading up to this election.

    we're going to be fine...

    I will keep a light shield around the winner, because the whole world is affected if the wrong choice is made...

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    Rocky Shorz, even without being a seer, it is obvious that Obama is the least of two evils.

    Anybody that can read body language sees it. This is not to say that Obama's body language does not show deception, but the total amount of it is much less than that of his opponent, namely Romney.

    As it is absolutely obvious that Obama is very tired, if not exhausted. The guy has been very obviously in a huge fight (most probably inner and outer) and is trying to somewhat resist.

    Again, I am not for Obama, in fact, I find his results pretty discouraging, but he is the lesser of two evils. Having the other guy in is absolutely voting for a third world war. Romney is completely empty inside and it is apparent in his body language, his eyes, his words.

    I am so sorry that fundamentalist christian and others are so brainwashed that they cannot stop the cd player in their head just to take 2 minutes and look with their 3 D eyes, stop for 3 seconds, then analyse what they saw. And I do have American friends I dearly care for that are THAT MUCH brainwashed as well.

    The team behind each man is different as well, and their world target is different, one of them being a tiny bit less pushing on the world guns.

    Again, this is not a pro Obama writing but rather an against Romney's dicatorship world war to come.
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    Quote Posted by Rocky_Shorz (here)
    Quote Posted by Anastasia (here)
    Dark and Light is pervasive. It is everywhere, infiltrated, even within the White House.

    I Know, without a doubt Barac Obama is of The Light. I know it. Sorry, all who disagree. This is my heart and soul opinion...

    More will be revealed.

    We are being summoned to be our true higher selves.

    Anastasia
    last night I had my Spirit guide pop into my dream for some answers...

    she reminded me that not everyone can look forward and back to see the outcome of what is going on in this election.

    we have 3 channel Masters here at Avalon, Carmody, Modwiz and myself capable of looking forward to see what each choice will do...

    the battle for this timeline is what you are reading as light and darkness, but take it from 3 of us that know, who are fighting for Obama which direction is the light.

    I'm rather impatient with those that just don't see what I'm trying to share about this election, but have forgotten most rely on what is being shared through media that they can see in black and white and are easily manipulated.

    all three of us are pouring light of protection around Obama, we know which path is better for the future of this world...

    the battle you are seeing right now Anastasia, is the looming timelines for our world, one leads to destruction, the other a struggle. the struggle helps us all grow...

    whoever wins this election I will stand by in Spirit, I gave Cheney 3 psychic exorcisms over the years to keep him from being manipulated by forces beyond us. it wasn't easy and he was hospitalized with heart problems after each one, but what doesn't kill him, makes him stronger, let's just say even he has had a change of heart.

    I'm done being upset trying to open people's eyes about the election, I already know the winner and there is no use in taking part in the final arguments leading up to this election.

    we're going to be fine...

    I will keep a light shield around the winner, because the whole world is affected if the wrong choice is made...
    Modwiz?????????

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    Modwiz?????????
    I had the same reaction Ulli [
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    Quote Posted by ulli (here)

    Modwiz?????????
    I had the same reaction Ulli [
    See what Rocky does to us? And then he even made you put my words into Anastasia's quote box.
    Tsktsktsk, Rocky!

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    [ Mod-edit:
    I fixed the quotes, so Anastasia no longer gets credit for Ulli's words. -Paul.]
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    heheh...

    the quiet Masters are beyond words, but I saw him last night tugging a timeline, he's very special too...

    I am a Painter, and have been holding this brush for enough years to be pretty good at it.

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    Ulli here's a film you might enjoy that owes nothing to Hollywood.

    https://youtube.com/watch?v=iQ-6G-mKPJ4

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    Quote Posted by Rocky_Shorz (here)
    heheh...

    the quiet Masters are beyond words, but I saw him last night tugging a timeline, he's very special too...

    I am a Painter, and have been holding this brush for enough years to be pretty good at it.
    You may be good but not good enough to get past your blindness re the females around here. Hehe...

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    MILKY WATER?

    For the last 3 days, our water has been milky.
    Went to the city water site and they "claim" its just air in the water lines.

    Sorry, For some reason I cant just buy this as an explanation. Even tho I have attached a water filter and hose under the sink, that water is also milky...just cant understand this ..............
    Anyone else ever had this milky water?
    Annette

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    ewww, in Mexico they say don't drink the water, I recommend beer and tequila...

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    heheh...

    the quiet Masters are beyond words, but I saw him last night tugging a timeline, he's very special too...

    I am a Painter, and have been holding this brush for enough years to be pretty good at it.
    You may be good but not good enough to get past your blindness re the females around here. Hehe...


    you all have different gifts, that's why we are a community...

    many dream catchers are around me catching what I'm too busy for, being connected, you point out what needs to change and it is carried out without words on a screen...

    as long as I can change your mind, without giving you Romnesia, we'll be fine...

    [QUOTE=ulli;577713][QUOTE=Flash;577711]
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    Modwiz?????????
    I had the same reaction Ulli [
    See what Rocky does to us? And then he even made you put my words into Anastasia's quote box.

    Tsktsktsk, Rocky!
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    MILKY WATER?

    For the last 3 days, our water has been milky.
    Went to the city water site and they "claim" its just air in the water lines.

    Sorry, For some reason I cant just buy this as an explanation. Even tho I have attached a water filter and hose under the sink, that water is also milky...just cant understand this ..............
    Anyone else ever had this milky water?
    Annette
    I did and it was air. If it does not settle withing a few minutes, well, more like 30 seconds, do not drink it.

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    well remember, I watched almost 1000 pages of here and now before jumping in, what I have observed is how each of your spirits have gathered to learn each others gifts, and to train those new to their abilities to be all that they can be.

    I can go quietly rock in my hammock and here and now will continue happily on its way, but I felt it was time being so close to major changes to jump in and share little things with everyone reading, there are many gifted lurkers who haven't joined in what is happening...

    these little tricks are just enough to spark interest, to show people there is much more than what can be seen.

    I know my protection level, surrounded by angels so many that the elites wanting me removed haven't touched me. and they know I am protecting all of you...

    it is a comfy hammock, you all know how much I would like to go back to just my nice little quiet life.

    I was given the answer to stop global warming over 30 years ago, but Bankers and Oil men, wouldn't let it happen...

    I will always stand against them knowing the harm they are causing all of us out of greed...

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