The Project Camelot / TruTV pilot episode : SHADOW OPERATIONS - The Mars Project

[STATIC]

Just thought I'd give an update. The version I posted in the closed thread has 50,000 hits. I posted a link to this thread and also a link to the new higher quality version in the description of that video.

I can't wait to see the next episode

[4evrneo]

Posted by Swan (here)

Posted by Huma (here)
Also, I am surprised you guys decided to engage in the reenactment frankly. And acting like you guys just heard all this info for the first time for the sake of a cheesy reality show. .....

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First - an apology if what I am about to say is impolite, as I very much appreciate the work of Project Camelot and this forum.

But I whole heartedly agree with the above. I do not endorse mixing fiction with fact. That makes it very hard for the viewer to know which information they can trust...if any.

I would love to see a documentary by you and Kerry, where you had full control of the production ( I am presuming that in this case there would be no reenactments ).

The information you present is world changing, and as such needs to be presented with integrity.

Being someone who doesnt very often watch tv, I was impressed with the information but a little disappointed that it was obvious that you did not have the control of the presentation side of things. I deeply admire Bill and kerry for all the effort and dedication to get the info out more into the public. I hope there are more shows down the road that present more of the integrity I have come to respect so much from Bill & Kerry.

Blessings,
Annette

[Ba-ba-Ra]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
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I appreciate all the intelligent comments, including those from people who dislike TruTV's style (or TV of any kind!).

Believe me, Kerry and I discussed this long and hard, both with one another and with our Director, who was a longstanding Camelot supporter and had become a personal friend (no longer with Fishbowl Productions, btw). The problem is simply that the paymaster calls the tune. In the end, I think the show turned as good as it was ever (realistically) going to be.

Here's the question: does one stand for diehard integrity and refuse to be part of any commercial operation -- which inevitably includes hype, advertising, and distortion -- and continue forever to talk only to a small, minority audience? After much discussion, we consciously made the call to try to reach a larger audience, armed with compelling testimony from the likes of Bob Dean, knowing that we would be criticized by some. I do think we did the right thing.

We also knew that in the pilot episode, we'd have little or no executive say. We were total unknowns in the TV world, and the pilot could easily be canned (which is what we'd thought had happened). But, just supposing that TruTV wants to commission a series. It's not out of the question. Now, we have more say, we have an agent, and we can negotiate our terms (such as more a more active and executive production role, and insisting on certain content).

Moreover, because what was shot and edited is now in the public domain, we can now use that to promote ourselves to other networks. Prior to screening, we were invisible and did not own the footage to show to anyone else. All that has changed. Either or both of Kerry and myself could easily, in theory, be approached by other networks, in these changing times. And our agent's job is to sell us shamelessly, together or individually, to anyone who may be interested.

In closing, there are a few YouTube comments (inevitably!) about our "selling out and cashing in". It's to Avalon's credit that none of that has been bandied here. For the record (and this is from memory, as it was all so long ago!), I earned something like $1,350 after US tax deducted at source, plus expenses at cost. That was all. It was a pittance, and we did not get rich.

IMO, Bill, you and Kerry did the right thing.... Get your foot in the door first, and then you have a voice. The voice may be a whisper at first, but if your intentions behind what you are doing stay the course (and you don't get pulled into the power/money trap), that voice will continue to get stronger.

I understand where some of you that criticized this pilot are coming from. But I don't think you understand how the movie/TV industry works. I've had a little experience with them and believe me, it's a tough business on every level and even very successful authors who have sold their novels have found that having input - and your way - isn't any easy go. Eventually they have to make the same decision that Bill/Kerry had to make: Is it better to compromise and get some of it out there and reach the many - or stay home and keep preaching to the same small choir.

And to me, that's what this pilot is all about - reaching the many. It's not for us, we know all this stuff. And, unfortunately, in this world addicted to drama, you first have to play their game to some extent to get the attention of the many.

Instead of looking for ways to find fault, let's find ways to give this attempt some good positive energy. IMO, if it succeeds, we all succeed.

[onawah]

I agree. The quality of Bill and Kerry's pilot show was far above anything else I've seen so far in the genre, despite TruTV's attempt to turn it into the usual adulterated stuff they serve up, with the silly sound effects and camera tricks, dramatized events, etc.,
Bill and Kerry's sincerity and integrity were still shining through, clear and obvious to those with the eyes to see.
If there is to be more to follow, it surely will help to catch the attention of those ready to open to the truth.
And for those of us who are already in the know, it's very validating to see it airing so openly, for all to see.

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[Limor Wolf]

There were quite a few new facts I never heard before in this show, very interesting and very contributing! Bill's presentation was marvelous. I get what you say Ba-ba-ra and I really wish to appologise, I am walking with a 'not good feeling' in my belly these last few days, not wanting to be one of those who put a needle in the balloon.

Originally posted by Ba-ba-ra: " I understand where some of you that criticized this pilot are coming from. But I don't think you understand how the movie/TV industry works. I've had a little experience with them and believe me, it's a tough business on every level and even very successful authors who have sold their novels have found that having input - and your way - isn't any easy go. Eventually they have to make the same decision that Bill/Kerry had to make: Is it better to compromise and get some of it out there and reach the many - or stay home and keep preaching to the same small choir.

Yes, I think this is one of the questions that pop regularly in all sorts of situations, quality or quantity?
It can also be refered to forums such as Avalon, should it be open for everyone who wishes to participate? a noble idea but there might be some consequences and it might deviate the discussions from its course.

Some other questions can pop up - Is it at all effective? It is every awake and aware's person wet dream to suddenly find some thousands more joining us with asking questions but is that what actually happens as a result of such programs? (relating to the gener)

I must say, I have passed the show to a couple of people that have no relations to what is going on, but keep an open mind. one of the responses was -

"Interesting. I hear it at work, without watching,
And I have to say there are plenty of drums and effects
Much like the BBC programs on the Loch Ness Monster and the Yeti


After watching most of the movie my level of uncertainty increased
It's like a movie thriller, there are always slim hints and blurry images.."

I have said nothing ,but simply passed the video with a short description.

This show might, though, open a door to other great opportunities!... who knows ? :- , but it may also risk Bill and Kerry's Camelot hard work during all the years, we need to remember that they gave up their rights of the material. the program is not in the hands of channel TV like RT, for example, who try to bring some real news to the world in an unbiased way (hopefully), it is in the hands of an entetainment television, an entertainment for the masses, Bill and Kerry's image might not be taken seriousely enough as Jesse Ventura's image has been impacted.. with no intention to compare between the two, each with their own style, and each bring something else to the table, but outcomes can be the same. I understand the desire and the intent behind it, but maybe patience is a virtue.

It seems I may be doing it again - take the wind out of the sails, oops, clearly not my intention. I guess I feel quite strongly about it.
To play in the other team's field is always lowering the chances for a win, but, I will say no more about it.


Peace

~^&*~^&*

Limor

[Cartomancer]

I thought the show was entertaining.

Obviously the staged portions and the so called 'reality' style of the show are not good IMHO. I notice they use the same production techniques on the show 'Conspiracy Theory.' Good for you for at least admitting it. I just feel it takes away from the way the other content is processed by that part of the public that has never been exposed to this info. A straight documentary style presentation would get the point across better. The drama is totally unneeded and reduces the impact of what is being said. I mean we tell the guys name and what city he lives in but the meeting has to be in a vacant lot? Or a 'greasy spoon' diner like where Wilcock met his buddy?

I have heard Bill time after time preach integrity and even refuse to interview people who use pen names or false names but now its o.k. to stage portions of a given subject matter to appeal to the mind scooped masses? I think project Camelot/Avalon would be better off not participating in a show of this caliber. You guys are going to lose your underground cred.

[Carmody]

I have heard Bill time after time preach integrity and even refuse to interview people who use pen names or false names but now its o.k. to stage portions of a given subject matter to appeal to the mind scooped masses? I think project Camelot/Avalon would be better off not participating in a show of this caliber. You guys are going to lose your underground cred.

To a certain extent, some old axioms apply, one of which is: "I don't care what they say about me, as long as they say about me."

The odds of a pure message getting out there as initial starting points can go...are pretty low.

First points of awareness, intrusion, awakening and 'turning and noting' (as an actual subject) are rarely pure. And if so, the disconnect to and with known and expected quantities can cause more rejection than internal rumination and review. The subject is so complex that one cannot find anything (IME) that is simple that will make sense to anyone who is not aware of the more complex shapes and pathways of the whole thing.

Another thing... is that for intelligence to remain within humanity, we have to turn from 'dumbing down' to 'smartening up' within the context of our desires and attempts in and of life.

Life orientation in humans has moved in the wrong direction, as recent articles have outlined, as issues go. Part of the parasite complex, if one swings that way in their rumination. Clarity and stability in emotions , or, a controlled expectation bias... will allow the points of the article that are real to come through with no excessive emotions attached. This, regarding the shifting of data in the mind into overt paranoia about animal like selection of who lives and who dies. For such emotional turmoil is apparently...part of the point of the thing. Dumbing down instead of smartening up. Alternatively (thinking wise), the article and research raises valid and important points..... but be careful about what flag it is wrapped in. It's a complex subject, in that emotional negativity can and does bring about a chemical stew in the body that enables the disconnection of neurons. Thus we can be in a 'whole life' situation where negativity abounds, in a controlled and scripted way... and we will have stripped away our capacity to recognize it, in the exact same way we endeavor to forget painful moments from our childhood and whatnot. The brain is plastic and a negative casting of/in our life can strip away our capacity to recognize problem areas, problem areas that are repeatedly abused.

To repeat, to make it clear...that we create and enable stupidity and the blind spot ...due to brain plasticity/reactivity in the context of negative casting of portions of said life (externally and internally derived). Basically the unconscious animal function in precedent, prominence, and act, as a non consciously realized act in subtlety of underlying bodily function. Stupid is as stupid does, in the literal sense. (the cart and horse inside of each other)

Circling back to the initial point, that getting over this now nearly evolved hump, requires that the context, the introduction of the subject matter at hand...be simplified and not all that perfected.

As a perfected view is necessarily complex and is less likely to open the door in many people. Intelligence is as intelligence does, and thus the stupid is as stupid does. In my personal and observed experience, each as a cascading increase in value, if acted upon. One, the stupidity, is a cascading unconscious situation in formation and act. Cascading and increasing intelligence is a combination of both -conscious and unconscious. And the unconscious component stepping more out of the darkness/shadow as a complimentary and connected reality.

Most modern media connections are simplified and downturning (in psychological initial outlay/connection and continuance), in order to reach audience --and keep said audience.

What is required here is simplification and upturning, which is tricky at best. An initial starting point as a uptick... to create and hold..long enough to bring it to fruition as a form of elevation.

In the current shape that the bulk of the audience exists as... leading them bit, in a form that they recognize and integrate with -is key. To catch and hold the modern idiom of idealizing and expectation bias in the bulk audience, and then..shift it.

[SKIBADABOMSKI]

I guess you just have to bobble down the river on this strange boat. It's all in your path and destiny so doesn't matter how you get there you just get there.

I personally think you'll do much better things once this has reached it's peak.

[nomadguy]

and here is Sean Carroll on C2C...

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=ayLy2cagLE8

[swoods_blue]

I joined this forum because it's full of earnest people seeking truth, and I admire the tone and maturity on display. But I also joined specifically to comment on this thread.

I watched the pilot, and come at it in the context of having watched dozens of hours of Camelot, Avalon and associated videos on "teh Interwebs." The TruTV pilot is jarring, in a sense, because it uses so many of the typical tricks of the trade of reality TV, when all of that is absent in the more earnest presentations we've become used to. I thought the re-enactment was unfortunate, because a) it wasn't really a re-enactment at all, but rather a dramatization of something which happened to someone else. and b) it wasn't necessary, but rather simply "sexed it up" a bit. The danger, as I'm sure Bill and Kerry appreciate, is that this could be used as Exhibit A in an argument that they fabricate data. I appreciate what they were trying to accomplish, and in the end, perhaps it was necessary to midwife this thing into existance. But please don't be naive to the dangers and traps involved in shenanigans like this.

In watching the pilot, my feeling was that the proper presentation style for information like this would be a "Frontline" type of sober journalism. But reality TV probably doesn't know how to do that. That would argue that perhaps Reality TV is the wrong format for the material under discussion.

All of this, however, probably comes down to tactics in a sphere where strategic thinking is what counts. And we must not lose sight of the fact that this TruTV pilot was packed with ideas and data which simply are not going to be seen anywhere else on television. ANYWHERE. It was pioneering, though 90% of viewers may not realize it. Bob Dean's comments, as well as the images shown, will reverberate.

Best of luck in getting a follow-up underway, and I do hope that it involves fewer compromises.

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by nomadguy (here)
and here is Sean Carroll on C2C...

After Sean Carroll had torn off his mike and walked away (Kerry has been questioning him about Remote Viewing in the context of faster-than-light information transfer), we both sat on on a low wall in the CalTech garden and had a highly intelligent conversation between us, still on camera, about the state of modern physics and the state of knowledge of modern physicists in the public and private domains.

It's a huge shame this segment was not aired, but it would have been way too erudite for the regular TruTV audience! And the footage was not ours, do we do not have it -- and would be legally constrained from showing it if we did.

One of the points we agreed on was that mainstream public-sector physicists -- like Sean Carroll and a number of others in his league -- did not make the cut. This is important to understand.

The very brightest and best have all been identified, handpicked, extracted from academia, and fast-tracked for black projects. They are pushing the boundaries from behind the scenes (and have been since the late 40s or even earlier) -- and are unknown and invisible. They're also unknown to Sean Carroll et al, as their research is not published publicly. Stan Deyo will confirm.

In the days before Camelot, back in 2000, I had a chance meeting with a physicist, when on vacation, who clearly was highly educated and knew a very great deal. I was fascinated with some of the things he was talking about. I eventually asked him where he got his degrees and where he worked, as I knew by then that he must be highly accomplished in his field. He told me he did not have a degree. I was incredulous.

I asked him about this, as I was confused, and he motioned me to walk with him along the beach. There he told me that he had been a very bright high school student, and had -- for his high school physics project -- invented a vacuum-plasma-powered laser gun (or some such thing: I cannot remember the details). It was the kind of story Disney would have immediately written into a kids' movie.

What had then happened was that he got a knock on the door from the NSA, who told him that he had inadvertently re-invented a piece of classified Star Wars weaponry. They understood that he was just an extremely smart kid, and offered him a contract, a bunch of money, and the opportunity to work at Bell Labs -- straight away -- where, they told him, he would have a far better education than at any other school, would work alongside the best of the best, and would have free rein to invent things with as many resources as he would ever wish.

What 18-year old physics geek could resist? He made the deal, and worked in Bell Labs, and the NSA kept their word. What he told me (not too much, but nevertheless fascinating) I'll save for another time.

[SEAM]

Bill, was this the guy you met? No education.. inadvertently helped invent star wars.. was on J. Ventura last night...

http://www.alienscientist.com/judywood.html

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by SEAM (here)
Bill, was this the guy you met? No education.. inadvertently helped invent star wars.. was on J. Ventura last night...

http://www.alienscientist.com/judywood.html

No... that's John Hutchison, who's pretty well-known. The person I met, like thousands who share his story and circumstances, is nowhere on the internet.

[Limor Wolf]

Originally posted by Bill Ryan : " What 18-year old physics geek could resist? He made the deal, and worked in Bell Labs, and the NSA kept their word. What he told me (not too much, but nevertheless fascinating) I'll save for another time."

Now, that is a finale that leaves us with our tounge hanging -:
It makes one think how many brilliant minds were recruited to work for the black projects, government institutions or simply be under their supervising umbrella, I wonder how many of them are aware of this issue? how much of their findings/ inventions/ developements goes out to the public or ultimately used only in the privet hands of the secret operations?

== EDIT==

Is Andrew basiago is supposedly an ex-NSA?

William Binney seems to be one. he was a NSA worker that found out that what he was working on (electronic surveillance) is not only being used for 'special purposes', but on the whole of the society:


http://www.businessinsider.com/nsa-w...illance-2012-8

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=590cy1biewc

[truth4me]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by nomadguy (here)
and here is Sean Carroll on C2C...

After Sean Carroll had torn off his mike and walked away (Kerry has been questioning him about Remote Viewing in the context of faster-than-light information transfer), we both sat on on a low wall in the CalTech garden and had a highly intelligent conversation between us, still on camera, about the state of modern physics and the state of knowledge of modern physicists in the public and private domains.

It's a huge shame this segment was not aired, but it would have been way too erudite for the regular TruTV audience! And the footage was not ours, do we do not have it -- and would be legally constrained from showing it if we did.

One of the points we agreed on was that mainstream public-sector physicists -- like Sean Carroll and a number of others in his league -- did not make the cut. This is important to understand.

The very brightest and best have all been identified, handpicked, extracted from academia, and fast-tracked for black projects. They are pushing the boundaries from behind the scenes (and have been since the late 40s or even earlier) -- and are unknown and invisible. They're also unknown to Sean Carroll et al, as their research is not published publicly. Stan Deyo will confirm.

In the days before Camelot, back in 2000, I had a chance meeting with a physicist, when on vacation, who clearly was highly educated and knew a very great deal. I was fascinated with some of the things he was talking about. I eventually asked him where he got his degrees and where he worked, as I knew by then that he must be highly accomplished in his field. He told me he did not have a degree. I was incredulous.

I asked him about this, as I was confused, and he motioned me to walk with him along the beach. There he told me that he had been a very bright high school student, and had -- for his high school physics project -- invented a vacuum-plasma-powered laser gun (or some such thing: I cannot remember the details). It was the kind of story Disney would have immediately written into a kids' movie.

What had then happened was that he got a knock on the door from the NSA, who told him that he had inadvertently re-invented a piece of classified Star Wars weaponry. They understood that he was just an extremely smart kid, and offered him a contract, a bunch of money, and the opportunity to work at Bell Labs -- straight away -- where, they told him, he would have a far better education than at any other school, would work alongside the best of the best, and would have free rein to invent things with as many resources as he would ever wish.

What 18-year old physics geek could resist? He made the deal, and worked in Bell Labs, and the NSA kept their word. What he told me (not too much, but nevertheless fascinating) I'll save for another time.

One thing that I noticed for about the last year or so is confimation of my thoughts on a subject. I'll explain. I was at work recently and a person ask me how do I think that the government finds "smart" young people to work for them. My answer was they have people looking at test scores and grade point averages of kids accross the nation I would say even starting at grade school then they investigate the kid and interview his teachers etc; The better the school the more they look at the child and follow his/her progress. No one told me this but it came to me after the person ask me the question now I read Bill's reply.....to some this might be common knowledge but to a lot that are asleep they never think about stuff like this.....the dumbing down of the masses at work here.

[Tangri]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
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I appreciate all the intelligent comments, including those from people who dislike TruTV's style (or TV of any kind!).

Believe me, Kerry and I discussed this long and hard, both with one another and with our Director, who was a longstanding Camelot supporter and had become a personal friend (no longer with Fishbowl Productions, btw). The problem is simply that the paymaster calls the tune. In the end, I think the show turned as good as it was ever (realistically) going to be.

Here's the question: does one stand for diehard integrity and refuse to be part of any commercial operation -- which inevitably includes hype, advertising, and distortion -- and continue forever to talk only to a small, minority audience? After much discussion, we consciously made the call to try to reach a larger audience, armed with compelling testimony from the likes of Bob Dean, knowing that we would be criticized by some. I do think we did the right thing.

We also knew that in the pilot episode, we'd have little or no executive say. We were total unknowns in the TV world, and the pilot could easily be canned (which is what we'd thought had happened). But, just supposing that TruTV wants to commission a series. It's not out of the question. Now, we have more say, we have an agent, and we can negotiate our terms (such as more a more active and executive production role, and insisting on certain content).

Moreover, because what was shot and edited is now in the public domain, we can now use that to promote ourselves to other networks. Prior to screening, we were invisible and did not own the footage to show to anyone else. All that has changed. Either or both of Kerry and myself could easily, in theory, be approached by other networks, in these changing times. And our agent's job is to sell us shamelessly, together or individually, to anyone who may be interested.

In closing, there are a few YouTube comments (inevitably!) about our "selling out and cashing in". It's to Avalon's credit that none of that has been bandied here. For the record (and this is from memory, as it was all so long ago!), I earned something like $1,350 after US tax deducted at source, plus expenses at cost. That was all. It was a pittance, and we did not get rich.

Am I against to the doctors making profit for using their hardship earned skills? Absolutely NO

Am I against to Dr. OZ making profit for using his hardship earned skills in different way? Well , it must be YES.
More words will not help the explain my criticism.
Love and Hope

[TigaHawk]

Speaking of Mars.


news.com.au released a high res color image of Mars on their front page today!

Check this one out!



Water! How about that!


Oh wait sorry... That's Australia....

(but seriously, what does that look identicle too that was from mars! "sand dunes" my butt)


http://www.news.com.au/travel/austra...-1226516649222

[nomadguy]

Posted by TigaHawk (here)
Speaking of Mars.


news.com.au released a high res color image of Mars on their front page today!

Check this one out!



Water! How about that!


Oh wait sorry... That's Australia....

(but seriously, what does that look identicle too that was from mars! "sand dunes" my butt)


http://www.news.com.au/travel/austra...-1226516649222

Some of the photos from the previous Mars missions show what could be water... Or is it OIL?
I had read an article a long time back about a type of satellite sensor that was used on mars to look underneath the sand. The device ran into a anomaly of sorts while flying over one part of the planet, ~no signal came back...
So I hypothesized that it could have been oil.
The sensors on the satellite were expecting a signal back, in which the vibrations of everything in between could be calculated to some degree. Only this time they hit something dense(?) and that refracted the signal or trapped the signal. If it was not oil or some liquid like a petroleum deposit ~what could it have been?
Also in some of the latest photographs from Mars I noticed the color of the low spots "sand" and clays, were dark. That I also find odd. On earth low lands are almost always white, near white or at least a lighter shade that the rocks nearby, and the higher areas that do not erode as quickly.

This is a mere observation and I do not know how scientific it is.
However in the new curiosity rover images you can notice the very dark color at the very bottom of the sand pits. hmmm.
http://i.i.com.com/cnwk.1d/i/tim/201...ls_620x350.jpg

This pictures from Mars with such dark looking water-like features... Maybe it is water, but perhaps mixed with a powdery substance like carbonized lead or something else. Tilth (I am very much thinking out load-stopping now, feel free to comment)



To make a point about ~
What we see on Mars, even from a great distance might be very very different than what is observed on Earth. Adding that this might be a good point to remember when looking into any sort of data coming from Mars.

Thanks Bill for the back story, it has my ears twitching.
I so which I could have been a fly on the wall, I listened to Sean Carroll and Noory last night, I liked his way of communicating. And the subject very interesting, he made some very important points. Particularly about scientific discoveries and how often times, what we are shooting for might of be the thing we discover in the doing that ends up being the breakthrough later down the road.

On the subject of faster than light information transfer. Perhaps it is not so much transferred, like point to point like a bus going down the street from stop A to B. But rather in some other way where no time or distance is needed to do it. To try to explain my meaning, the "I" that is some other place deciphers what the other "I" is thinking here... By way of the source field without traveling at all.

Carry on ~

[Nenuphar]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

What 18-year old physics geek could resist? He made the deal, and worked in Bell Labs, and the NSA kept their word. What he told me (not too much, but nevertheless fascinating) I'll save for another time.

Very much looking forward to hearing more about this!

[MistahMojoRisin]

loved it bill, you and Kerry keep up the good work. Reality TV is not Reality so thanks for sharing the inside scoop. It helps me see everything better for what it truely is.