How do you mentally process the alleged abductions of humans by greys and others?

[Nanoo Nanoo]

Posted by Daughter of Time (here)
For me, ET abductions are not alleged, but real!

I have not found anything benevolent in my experiences. If their intent were benevolent, the results would be beneficial. I have not yet encountered anyone who's been abducted and felt better off because of it.

If anyone has been abducted and felt they gained something wonderful from it, I'd really like to hear about it.

What were your experiences?

[Strat]

Posted by Midnight (here)
I understand that some of you are skeptical about the abduction scenario, but if you're not, what do you think is really going on with this program? I used the word "alleged" in the title to cover myself legally (not!).

Okay, here goes.

I will openly admit that I am skeptical about the abduction scenario, as well as the very existence to 'alien' existence. The proper use of wording is important here so let's clear up a few things first:

skeptic:
1. One who instinctively or habitually doubts, questions, or disagrees with assertions or generally accepted conclusions.

doubt:
1. To be undecided or skeptical

So when I say I'm skeptical I'm not at all, in any way, saying these theories are wrong or that witnesses are lying or misleading. The only thing I'm saying is I just don't know.

I have a rigid perception of the world. To say that you believe something suggests you KNOW something is correct. Here's the thing, I don't go 'all in' with anything. My mind assigns percentages as to healthy ideas. For instance; I assign a 99.9% chance that the sun will rise tomorrow. I have seen it rise and fall every day of my life. There is a very high probability that it will continue to do so and I have no reason to think otherwise.

I assume there's an 75% chance I will fix my car's brakes on the time I assigned myself. Unfortunatly there's that 25% chance I'll kink a brake line and have to take time out of the weekend.

I'd say there's about a 80% chance my current garden will work out. So far I've had great luck with gardening, but this time I sowed by seed and I screwed up the furrows. So we'll just have to see how it all works out.

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You see what I'm getting at? I don't believe anything. Nothing is set in stone. "Laws of Physics" should be a fail-safe joke for comedians. What, are you going to put nature in jail? I get it; what goes up must come down. Good job, I never would've figured that out. Oh and that doesn't work on the microscopic level, so it gets re-written.

Even with material that isn't controversial, one has to be skeptical. I believe that the most healthy attitude one could have is to admit that you will go to the grave with questions that can not be answered. As soon as you convince yourself you know everything, you start to rely on that and (I believe) that's physically dangerous.

I think this belief structure is somewhat unorthodox and perhaps unpopular on this forum. Therefore I'd like to address why I will not believe any individual witness. Take this example:

A guy named Dave is having a friendly, albeit passionate debate with a gal named Kim. Dave says abduction experiences are real and indeed scary, but it's only scary because of the bizarre nature of abductions. The greys convey that they are benevolent and are trying to help us stop our wars and clean up that goddamn garbage patch in the Pacific Ocean.

Kim's experiences are also with the greys, but she claims they are a malevolent force. They physically hurt her with experiments, she even has scars to prove it.

So who am I to believe?

The answer goes back to how I explained my 'belief' structure; I assign a percentage. So I don't believe either person, but I dissect the stories. One says they're good, the other bad. But wait, they both reported the same creature down to a T, as well as the emotion. Now I have something to work with.

I feel this is the best way to approach the kind of material we work with. It's certainly better than the polar opposite of believing everybody. The material contradicts itself constantly, that's even on the FAQ of the Project Camelot website.

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While that example may be dumbed-down it never changes, no matter how complex the story gets. Individual testimony has little value, but the testimony of many individuals is a gold mine. Like I said, maybe this is an unpopular belief system but those who don't like it, don't like it for egotistical reasons.

...I just realized I'm rambling and didn't even address your question

Posted by Midnight (here)
I understand that some of you are skeptical about the abduction scenario, but if you're not, what do you think is really going on with this program? I used the word "alleged" in the title to cover myself legally (not!).

I never address these questions because I'm far from qualified. But here we go:

My guess is this program is designed to bring the human race up to par with the rest of the universe. This may not even be out of total benevolence, it may just be something that needs to happen. This planet is a resource (not to mention one of the most beautiful things I'm aware of). The resource is being depleted, we don't give we take. And we keep taking.

[Nanoo Nanoo]

Posted by DNA (here)

Posted by Midnight (here)
Nanoo Nanoo, why don't I trust what you are saying? But I don't.

Might means right here on Earth, and it applies in wider terms.

Hi Midnight, I for the life of me want to answer your question in a short enough statement not to lose your's or anyone else's interest, but I just cannot do it, there is no way. And I'm laughing my ass off right now thinking of how proposterous it is that I can't align all of the crap I have read into one coherent message capable of imparting any substantial meaning.

I think first off I would recomend the disclosure statement as read by John Lear on the Art Bell show, it is short concise and to the point. But, I would also recomend just about all of the UFO CONTACT books by Wendelle Stevens. I would definitely recomend the Billy Meier contacts which shows a positive counter point to the negative grey situation as touched on by the Lear disclosure interview.
And for the record I would stay away from anything that has the title of channelled to it.
I think also it is important to understand the present state of sophisitication of our own government capable of full on UFO displays and abductions themselves, and some of this is gleaned from the Project Camelot interview with Gary Mckinnon and the interview with Mr. X.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=0SgXw2B8kmQ

DNA is there a version of this video with the original content? They have a fake alien interview over the top of poignant visuals.

N

[Spellbound]

Anyone thinking alien abductions are positive should check out some of Butch Witkowski interviews regarding human mutilation. These humans were alive when being dissected and ripped apart by ET's. Also, what about the children who are abducted and eaten by aliens (yes, used as a food source). I'd also recommend the Karla Turner interviews/videos (may she rest in peace).

Let's put it this way. If I was in a pickup truck in the mountains following a UFO.....I doubt I'd get out of the truck and stand directly below the object expecting a positive outcome.

Dave - Toronto

[eaglespirit]

For me personally...when I nullified past/future contracts of past/future lives in the present I knew somehow that I had to now live as deliberately a pure life as I could possibly procure...for making the choice to break any and all chains attached to my being that I felt in my heart were a restraint and constraint or just flat wrong came with a responsibility to live in the here and now with the highest personal moral agenda in my day to day life, period.
I am very careful about what I share...'who the heck does he think he is' comes up and out in alot of people still today and still here at Avalon.
Don't ask me how I know what I am sharing...I just simply 'know' it happened to me and is my truth in the context of reason for experiencing this current life on earth.
Many of my personal 'knowings' come from dreams/vision/downloads of an intense spiritual nature in deliverance
My oldest daughter is 32 years old and the mother of 3. She is a year older than my son that passed to the other side in 2003. My son's spirit was with me on an indian(Nipmuc) hill in 2007 for 2 days. My daughter and son are more advanced souls/spirits than I in an aspect of higher learning that I had yet to achieve and was a primary purpose my being here on earth now. They came here to help me (one of the reasons).
It was shown to me that my daughter is helping a race of beings similar to the gist of many posts in this thread..She is showing the ways and means of nurturing motherhood and unconditional maternal love that this particular race needs to learn and can only acquire through my daughter's physical realization and sharing of it in an earthbound life.
These beings are more advanced but lack the emotional loving rhythm that is prevalent in earnest motherhood here. They(this particular race) had attempted other ways but this way is the most direct and best for them to 'get it' and is in agreement with those that carry the highest ethics here on earth. Yes, they are extremely advanced but at the same time lacking the love that can only be gotten and experienced here on Mother Earth in 3d.
How do I know? Don't ask me...but I just know.

[Spiral]

Some interesting points on this thread, & some big omissions too.

Firstly, "the greys", it seems clear now that this word is used for numerous races that vary in colour from off-white, through grey & into the brown spectrum, they also vary in height considerably too, so does the number of fingers they have.

Then there are the "PLFs" (programmable life forms) used in MILABs.

It would seem that there are numerous "factions" at play, all with their own agenda (s)

There is also the claim that one bunch of greys are actually us from the future, badly degenerated & in need of fresh blood.

Then there is the claim that they abduct "ordinary" people, what proof is there of that ? Maybe they can detect something in certain bloodlines that is special to what they are doing / want, abductions often follow down the generations within families.

Then there are the "others" such as the "Nordics" with whom many people report positive experiences.....

The core question here for me in;

How do you mentally process the alleged abductions of humans by greys and others?

is the "mentally process" part, for me there is no alleged, or rather I am pre-occupied with my own experiences, and I sift what others report for anything that might give me more insight whilst neither believing or discounting what they have to say.

But as a positive, beside the cognative dissonance & auto immune problems that most abductees have to live with (myself included) something happens as a result of contact, your wiring changes, paranormal & psychic stuff happens so often it becomes normal, life expands out beyond 3D.

This expansion of possibility & broadening of reality is often sidelined as "spiritual" (not here obviously, but it is out there) but it is now being scientifically studied, albeit on the fringes, by the likes of Rupert Sheldrake, with his "morphic field theory" & Courtney Brown of the Far Sight Institute, neither of whom can be debunked once you read the evidence.

It is exactly this broadening of consciousness that is the key to mankinds graduation from kindergarten to the Cosmic stage.

[Daughter of Time]

Posted by Nanoo Nanoo (here)

Posted by Daughter of Time (here)
For me, ET abductions are not alleged, but real!

I have not found anything benevolent in my experiences. If their intent were benevolent, the results would be beneficial. I have not yet encountered anyone who's been abducted and felt better off because of it.

If anyone has been abducted and felt they gained something wonderful from it, I'd really like to hear about it.

What were your experiences?

First of all, I'm certain that there are benevolent ETs as well as malevolent ones. By the sounds of it, you have been blessed by being in contact with the benevolent kind. Unfortunately, most abductees I know of, including myself, have not had pleasant experiences.

As far as my own experiences go, there are too many and too lengthy for me to go into here. I have posted many of them on the Horus-Ra thread.

[Ki's]

Personally. I think that whole "it's ok we have a soul-contract" thing is nothing more than the ET equivalent of the legal babble we get from our own governments and banking systems. A clever way to side-stepped that pesky 'free will' issue.

[DNA]

Posted by Nanoo Nanoo (here)

Posted by Daughter of Time (here)

Posted by Nanoo Nanoo (here)

Posted by Midnight (here)
Nanoo Nanoo, why don't I trust what you are saying? But I don't.

Might means right here on Earth, and it applies in wider terms.

You didnt answer my questions. Postulate why would a advanced being want to examine an ordinary person?

Please, any suggestions you can think of.

N

You ask a very good question Nanoo Nanoo, but you're asking with a human mind. We don't know the ET mind.

According to most humans, humans are more advanced than animals.

If humans are more advanced than animals, then why do humans hunt deer? Or any other animal for that matter.

Maybe humans provide some kind of "food" for ETs.

According to Truman Cash, and others, Greys are a dying race. They use human sperm, ova and DNA to help themselves replicate.

And there may be reason they abduct humans which may still be completely outside our human frame of reference and comprehension.

This is what im after. Someone to give some suggestions what purpose abductions could possibly be happening. i know they dont think like we do in fact they dont think, they work more on instinct.

Lets not get offended because someone is challenging a baseless accusation. First we must establsh motive. Regardless of any species at any level of advancement if we are to point the finger then we should at least tryto understand or establish a motive.

And quoting other writers is sort of boring, sorry no offence but id like you people who are pointing the finger to come up with some original thought instead of hiding behind the thoughts of another.

DNA : imo a race that can bend space time to travel vast distance is advanced. Possibly so much so that they have regressed emotions.

I am posing the question because i generally have a hard time believing motives based on heresay, id like to hear something plausable and id like some help in establishing one i can believe. My interactions have always been positive. The only negative things done to me are from our own race.

Lets get one thing straight, Greys are a " type " of genetically engineered worker bee, they are based on a true grey or a purple or a red or a black, they come in so many types and from so many factions with so many agendas its way too easy to just lump them all in the bad bin. This is the type of thinking that leads to wars. Baseless finger pointing which is what us Humans are so good at and if say is mostly the cause of our demise.

Please, lets not get offended. Lets think critically and establish something by coopertating.

Thank you

N

I respect and always look forward to your take Nannoo. I respect and appreciate any and all first hand experiential data folks have to offer. But the question defies a simple explanation in my opinion. The situation is bigger than any one person's individual story. I think folks who have a personal contact story sometimes have a hard time being objective after their personal experience. I think the first important discovery of all this to stick with me is that there seems to be a plethora of races visiting. So no one size fites all answer can be objectively applied.

[Hervé]

Posted by Nanoo Nanoo (here)
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Firstly, why would a race thats a million years more advanced than us want to go to the trouble of abducting humans? To experiment? Like they have no idea how we work?

So let me get this straight, extremely advanced beings with intimate knowledge on biogenetic engineering want to abduct people for experiments?

Can someone tell me what for? Can we even guess as to what they possibly want to learn or do?


I think they have better things to do with their time.

Human scientists on the other hand. . . hmmm

N

Posted by Nanoo Nanoo (here)
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... why would a advanced being want to examine an ordinary person?

Please, any suggestions you can think of.

N

For the same reasons that the "clever & smart" people keep playing tricks and pranks on "l'idiot du village" who keeps falling for these same tricks and pranks over and over, again and again, never being able to seem to learn the "way" of the "smart" people (reminds me of one of David Icke's intro to one of his conference: "You laughed... so, what does that make you?).

Conversely, these same "smart" people never seem to understand the way of "l'idiot du village" who keeps insisting on being trustful and gullible and so end up chopping him/her into pieces to try to find out what's the matter with him/her ("scientists," whatever their galaxy of origin).

So much for "smart" or "gullible"... it always ends up in wars for ideas, whether religious or philosophical, at this planet scale or at the multi-galactic scale.

[Daughter of Time]

As synchronicity would have it, I have, today, received a PM with Dr. Malanga's latest video. The sender did not publicly post the video because it's in Italian and most of the members of this community do not understand the language. I watched the video this very afternoon.

Dr. Malanga has spent most of his life researching ET abductions. He has hypnotized and regressed over 2,000 abductees.

In this nearly two hour video, Dr. Malanga says many things, but to put it in the smallest of nutshells, he says that of course there are benevolent ETs, but benevolent ETs do not abduct! Those who abduct, do it for their own benefit and there's nothing benevolent about them. They're users. The abductors are highly intelligent and possess very advanced technology, but they do not have a soul. The human soul is the main reason behind the abductions, to study it, and to capture it, as they feed off the richness of the soul.

[DNA]

Posted by Daughter of Time (here)
As synchronicity would have it, I have, today, received a PM with Dr. Malanga's latest video. The sender did not publicly post the video because it's in Italian and most of the members of this community do not understand the language. I watched the video this very afternoon.

Dr. Malanga has spent most of his life researching ET abductions. He has hypnotized and regressed over 2,000 abductees.

In this nearly two hour video, Dr. Malanga says many things, but to put it in the smallest of nutshells, he says that of course there are benevolent ETs, but benevolent ETs do not abduct! Those who abduct, do it for their own benefit and there's nothing benevolent about them. They're users. The abductors are highly intelligent and possess very advanced technology, but they do not have a soul. The human soul is the main reason behind the abductions, to study it, and to capture it, as they feed off the richness of the soul.

I've always thought it was the chi that is intimately associated with the soul. Just like the body produces blood to circulate and feed the extremities so too does the soul produce chi to feed the energy body . It makes sense in a matrix copper top battery sort of way.

[Sidney]

Don't forget that the ETs shared their technology with our "authorities". LOTS of it. I have a hunch that TPTB have there hands in the cookie jar as far as the abduction thing goes.
Regardless of who is doing it, everyone handles it their own way I think. Its a long term healing process, I can tell you that. There are other stories in the abductees group in the groups section.

[Midnight]

That was my super polite I'm-a-Canadian post. And now here is my more honest opinion on the greys. But I have to say pretty much none of it is empirical or scientific in nature, and it is based on my reading of numerous first person accounts, and my application of logical appraisals and some intuition.

Yes, there are quite possibly positive ets present. I'm really hoping this is true. Some accounts of these types of beings may or might not be true, but there are often question marks attached to these accounts. I don't mean to say that benevolent ets don't exist, because in my opinion there is no way that's true.

The accounts of negative interactions dominate, big time. Rude, shocking abductions. And sometimes painful, something the greys could avoid with their technological level. But they often don't. Could they be using pain to force us to grow. My answer is no.

Check out chem-trails if you want to look at a possible program of the greys and bosses. It's not a pretty picture. Worst case scenario? Maybe. Maybe not.

But worth our attention.

[Nanoo Nanoo]

Posted by Daughter of Time (here)

Posted by Nanoo Nanoo (here)

Posted by Daughter of Time (here)
For me, ET abductions are not alleged, but real!

I have not found anything benevolent in my experiences. If their intent were benevolent, the results would be beneficial. I have not yet encountered anyone who's been abducted and felt better off because of it.

If anyone has been abducted and felt they gained something wonderful from it, I'd really like to hear about it.

What were your experiences?

First of all, I'm certain that there are benevolent ETs as well as malevolent ones. By the sounds of it, you have been blessed by being in contact with the benevolent kind. Unfortunately, most abductees I know of, including myself, have not had pleasant experiences.

As far as my own experiences go, there are too many and too lengthy for me to go into here. I have posted many of them on the Horus-Ra thread.

I will have a look. Thank you for sharing as well. I truly wish to understand true reasons and bonafide accusations. This will help me understand the other side of the coin.

Thank you

N

[Daughter of Time]

Midnight,

I hear you!

i also try to be a polite Canadian and never lose patience with others who disagree with my experiences because their expeiences are as valid as mine. Perhaps they have experienced benevolent ETs - lucky them! But truth be told, I do not trust any ETs at this point because the ones I've had experiences with have been extremely damaging. However, I respect what others have to say.

And I do believe there are benevolent ETs. There have to be! How can this universe not have benevolence. It has! But, as Malanga says, which doesn't take a genius to agree with, benevolent ETs do not abduct!

[Nanoo Nanoo]

Posted by Ki's (here)
Personally. I think that whole "it's ok we have a soul-contract" thing is nothing more than the ET equivalent of the legal babble we get from our own governments and banking systems. A clever way to side-stepped that pesky 'free will' issue.

Do you have any first hand experience or is this conjecture?

N

[Midnight]

The idea that we made a deal with them smells to me. Bullcrap in my opinion.

[Nanoo Nanoo]

Posted by Spellbound (here)
Anyone thinking alien abductions are positive should check out some of Butch Witkowski interviews regarding human mutilation. These humans were alive when being dissected and ripped apart by ET's. Also, what about the children who are abducted and eaten by aliens (yes, used as a food source). I'd also recommend the Karla Turner interviews/videos (may she rest in peace).

Let's put it this way. If I was in a pickup truck in the mountains following a UFO.....I doubt I'd get out of the truck and stand directly below the object expecting a positive outcome.

Dave - Toronto

What evidense does Butch have pinning the ET race? Did he get ship markings? Or anything bonafide as evidense you could bring to a court to prove guilt? Im not being sarcastic, id like to know how he qualifies the accusation.
Thanks

N

[Nanoo Nanoo]

Posted by Midnight (here)
That was my super polite I'm-a-Canadian post. And now here is my more honest opinion on the greys. But I have to say pretty much none of it is empirical or scientific in nature, and it is based on my reading of numerous first person accounts, and my application of logical appraisals and some intuition.

Yes, there are quite possibly positive ets present. I'm really hoping this is true. Some accounts of these types of beings may or might not be true, but there are often question marks attached to these accounts. I don't mean to say that benevolent ets don't exist, because in my opinion there is no way that's true.

The accounts of negative interactions dominate, big time. Rude, shocking abductions. And sometimes painful, something the greys could avoid with their technological level. But they often don't. Could they be using pain to force us to grow. My answer is no.

Check out chem-trails if you want to look at a possible program of the greys and bosses. It's not a pretty picture. Worst case scenario? Maybe. Maybe not.

But worth our attention.

I respedt what you say. I have encountered many beings and interdimentional factions, groups, peole, scientists etc. I do this almost of a daily basis nd have for a long time. Lets pick out a number of species interacting with this planet, say 18. of this 18 : 6 would be benevolent, 9 indifferent and 3 malevalent. Thats kinda the ratio we are dealing with give or take a few and thats just et's. You have all sorts of stuff going on out there thats mind boggling.

Its not that i dont believe abductions dont happen, of course they do. But who is actually behind them is what im interested in. Not heresay, think if you had to walk into a court room in very " high " court what would i present thats bonafide? This is what im interested in. I hope you understand. Im just not interested in heresay.

Thank you

N