HITCHHIKERS (a sort of partial entity possession) - and how to handle them

[Tangri]

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)

Posted by Levent tonga (here)
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Did you ever hear word of PTSD?.

PTSD can occur at any age. It can follow a natural disaster such as a flood or fire, or events such as:

Assault

Domestic abuse

Prison stay

Rape

Terrorism

War

Also there is experienced writer at below link
http://www.cmha.ca/mental_health/pos.../#.ULfomazLdYU
Love and Hope

Did you read what I posted?

In Steve Richards' experience, too many "PTSDs" are due to these intentional or accidental "Hitchhikers."

I did , but I did not understand ;
How Assault , Domestic abuse, Prison stay, Rape victims get those visitors., it does not explain. D o y o u U n d e r s ta n d Plea bargain term?

[Hervé]

Posted by Levent tonga (here)
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I did , but I did not understand ;
How Assault , Domestic abuse, Prison stay, Rape victims get those visitors., it does not explain. D o y o u U n d e r s ta n d Plea bargain term?

I am not going to be as presumptuous as trying to explain that in one post or even a few.

However, Steve Richards devoted a whole website for that purpose and the only thing I can suggest is to read his entire site:

http://www.holographickinetics.net/default.html

[Tangri]

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)

Posted by Levent tonga (here)
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I did , but I did not understand ;
How Assault , Domestic abuse, Prison stay, Rape victims get those visitors., it does not explain. D o y o u U n d e r s ta n d Plea bargain term?

I am not going to be as presumptuous as trying to explain that in one post or even a few.

However, Steve Richards devoted a whole website for that purpose and the only thing I can suggest is to read his entire site:

http://www.holographickinetics.net/default.html

Well, I have already spend very valuable 12 years of my life to read. I hope you did find what you need it.

[SilentFeathers]

Posted by Ilie Pandia (here)
It is said in the PDF that you cannot force them away and say: "Get the heck out of my space!". This implies that the uninvited guest is somehow more powerful than I am. He can forcefully come into my house uninvited but I am not able to kick him out. Why has the hitchhiker more power that I do in this case?

Another similar thing are the inalienable rights at the end of the article. The very existence of hitchhiker spirits (or possessions for that matter) are in direct violation of those rights. So whomever is supposed to enforce those rights is not doing a very good job.

I have similar feelings, we are more powerful than we know and these critters are just sneaky and sometimes they "hop"....jump, or use a person to get to another less aware or easier "host".

I personally believe that they must have permission in some way sort or form from a "host" to occupy...this permission can be given to them in many different ways, but they can be denied occupation by 1 strong way, that is like saying, feeling, thinking, "get the heck out of my space!"

Anger, hate, being cruel to yourself and others, drug use/self abuse, etc etc etc can be all the permission these hitchers need to occupy....usually a person so warped would never be aware the have a "demon" in them until they get locked up and find God feeling sorry for themselves.....and usually then too it's just the hitcher trying to fool others because they don't like being in jail either and jumping to another host in there is futile....

Interesting thread!

PS: some of these hitchers may actually be harmless and friendly too.....(some call them "spirit guides" or guardian angels, etc)...

[Beren]

One thing is sure friends, we`re not alone!

It`s funny and actually a good thing to see Bill writing about this. I remember his approach since few years ago where he would be distanced of sorts from this particular theme but in the last few months he` been more keen to explore this.

In my old thread https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...-war-for-souls here on Avalon I was writing about this and similar kinds of phenomena. That wasn`t the first thread about it or last. Many followed suit and I am glad that we are talking about existence of other beings that aren`t physical.

Above all - this is profound theme and should be approached with great care and love.
Not with fear though caution is advised greatly.

For example Daughter of Time here gave a great experience and how she dealt with this man in her house.
She acted from love.
Not fear.

Clear determination is a must and Love as motivator force. When in all this- you emit frequency which spirits feel more vividly than we can feel eating an apple or else.

In essence when one is asking help from God or Christ when dealing with negative spirits ,one is essentially tuning their frequency with high frequency of Love / God / Creator / Life force field /...
Tuning in into this is significant in at least two reasons;
1. good for you for tuning into Love
2. good for spirits to remind them of The Power

One thing should be framed and remembered - NEVER FEAR.

[Hervé]

Posted by Levent tonga (here)
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Well, I have already spend very valuable 12 years of my life to read. I hope you did find what you need it.

Sorry but I am not interested in a role reversal here: you made a questioning statement to which I answered, then another question to which I also answered and finally offered the source of the info where all your questions and doubts are addressed.

This is not a "theory," it is a living reality you might have been lucky enough to escape.

Anyway, so much for continuing education.

[Tangri]

[QUOTE=Amzer Zo;590981]

Posted by Levent tonga (here)
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This is not a "theory," it is a living reality you might have been lucky enough to escape.

Anyway, so much for continuing education.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=7N5Oh...feature=g-logo

[donk]

Elaborate rituals, talisman, spells, sacrifices, torture and murder are all carried out in the name of exorcising these spirits.

How does this effect the truth of I truth of the original post. I'll spare you someone posting the atrocities in the name of Christianity (my family's and most of my peers original "belief"), just reminding you of what anyone here should know by now.

How about the belief that paper money is more valuable than *insert any real thing of value here*?

The atrocities you mention are "real" because people didnt discuss honestly "dangerous beliefs", which to me is the most dangerous thing of all

[SilentFeathers]

RE: Regardless if these "Hitchers" are "dangerous or friendly", one must always be aware that they always "feed or grow" off of the "host". The host always benefits the "hitcher" in one way or another...(just like most things, there is a flip side to this coin too).

The hitcher needs us like we need food and water, IMO. (Like we humans are hitchers to the Mother, The Earth in a sense)....or a flea is a hitcher to a rat or dog etc......parasites.

Although we may not fully understand exactly what they are, IMO they ARE life forms....like us to some extent, they have free will like us and are required to survive in certain environmental situations (like us)....

The good ones which we call upon and invite such as spirit guides or angels so to speak, for help and/or guidance, IMO, are more disciplined or designed for us, (in a beneficial way) they know their place and will freely sacrifice themselves, transform in to their next place to be without harming us before then....(we somehow intuitively know they will help us)...but, tread carefully, as the other ones are like leaches and believe that they can't survive very long without a food source...

Gives a whole new meaning to selfishly mooching off of another trying to become "God-like", some of these "hitchers" in a sense, are just as stupid as some of us humans are......

[Cristian]

Is not clear for me where the topic split into philosophical posting , trying to rationalize the existence of life forms some never (realize) encountered.

Bill started this thread about HITCHHIKERS .

Now what I see happening here … we are writing replies from our point of view. With our understanding of things and ego we say “ How can this be?”
“How can I have another being , or more beings for that matter , stuck with me, in my body.?” Well **** happens. Btw, never underestimate the wisdom of this phrase.

Now about the fear factor. If all this is possible , if other beings can interfere or take over my body …that means I will live in constant fear.

Well, no.

Is not so different from real life. You go to the store to buy beer and peanuts and you get robbed and shot for your wallet. You know that is a possibility . Unlikely ,but possible. So what now, we are to be afraid to go get some beer?

Same goes with everything. Never be afraid.

And if you have the bad luck to encounter an ugly dude that wants your body, have no fear, open your heart, open your beer and tell him that aint gonna happen.

[bluestflame]

as the veils thin, these energies find it harder to avoid detection

[Sidney]

Posted by Ilie Pandia (here)
There is something about this material that I do not understand properly.

It is said in the PDF that you cannot force them away and say: "Get the heck out of my space!". This implies that the uninvited guest is somehow more powerful than I am. He can forcefully come into my house uninvited but I am not able to kick him out. Why has the hitchhiker more power that I do in this case?

Another similar thing are the inalienable rights at the end of the article. The very existence of hitchhiker spirits (or possessions for that matter) are in direct violation of those rights. So whomever is supposed to enforce those rights is not doing a very good job.

It seems to me, that in the end, there must be some kind of agreement at some level to make the hitchhiker experience possible. At some level you've opened yourself up to that experience. It's the only way I can look at this and not violate the 3 rights. But this also means that you can make a new agreement and a new choice and any time. All you have to do is change your mind...

If my conclusion is not correct, this implies that there are very powerful "spirits" out there who can enforce their own will upon my body and completely suppress "my spirit" and I cannot do anything about it but wait in quiet desperation for someone more powerful than the evil invader to drive them out.

The term "Above the Law", comes to mind with me here. As in 3D life here on earth, where most folks are expected to abide by the law, but somehow (some) authorities seem to be exempt from that , some entities take it upon themselves using free will, to "break the laws".

[bearcow]

One of the experiences Ive had along these lines is in regard to a associates problem with a deceased relative.

One of the masters i study with in china, while giving a diagnostic to a fellow student, made him aware that a deceased individual had attached himself energetically to his right hip area. It turns out this individual was his recently deceased grandfather. The deceased grandfather's imbedded presence was causing a detrimental imbalance in his natural energy flow. This gentleman was very close to his grandfather in life, and apparently the deceased gentleman had a extreme fear of death and no faith in a afterlife. The grip of self contained illusion had taken hold of the grandfather, and he had no idea that he was acting in a manner that was detrimental to someone he loved so much. From the deceased gentleman's point of view, he was clinging to life by hanging on to one of the people who he loved most.

It is important to understand, for this individual, (and for most deceased earthbound souls) their conscious awareness is more akin to a semi conscious dream, the ability to calmly deliberate about the nature of their surroundings has been largely lost. They only can react to their environment based upon their preconceived beliefs and karmic momentum. Suffice to say the gentle methods the master tried to use to help the grandfather pass on were to no avail. Finally the master had no choice but to use a strong jolt of yang qi to "jolt" the grandfather out of the individuals energy field. The master made it unpalatable for the deceased grandfather to stay as the heavy dose of yang energy is too harsh for a being that exists in a yin continuum.

I would suggest you give that last sentence some thought, there is a lot to understand in it.

Most deceased people are mainly yin creatures, however if a deceased soul is able to hold on to a significant amount of its yang or gather some yang after it has died, it is a poltergeist.

In this case the strong bond between the two people created a opening for the grandfather to latch on with greater ease. In general, but not always, a entity needs you to give them (consciously or unconsciously) a opening into your field for them cause a significant disturbance. As a general rule, people are most vulnerable during sexual activity. Three major points on the bottom half of the torso open up and make latching on to someone easier.

Regarding dissociative identity disorder, it did not apply in this case as the grandfather was not trying to partition the mind as such and create a avenue of expression for his particular use. At any rate I'm sure the grandfather had no conception that this could be done or had the power to do it anyways.

On the other hand, I do know an individual who underwent systematic ritual abuse at a young age to partition a part of her mind for the the use of a "demon" to occupy her body during satanic ceremonies. Fortunately for her she got out of that situation and the "demon" never fully took hold of that part of her mind. She does however have dissociative identity disorder. That part of her mind that is partitioned is still "her", but a part of her that is frozen in time as a young girl. Physically she is nearing the age of 60.

Incidentally, i feel that most of the mk-ultra's participants alters are partitioned aspects of their own self, meaning that all their personalities are a part of who they are, but the particular attributes of the alters personality was put in place by their handlers. If the mk ultra victim has also been used in ceremonial rituals, then it is likely a outside entity has taken over a portion of the persons mind.

The bottom line Im trying to illustrate is the more yang qi you have, the more you become a self contained individual. Your energy field will have greater systematic defined boundaries, and the the harder it becomes for outside influences of any kind to have sway over you.

[noxon medem]

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[QUOTE=Levent tonga;590987]

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)

Posted by Levent tonga (here)
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This is not a "theory," it is a living reality you might have been lucky enough to escape.

Anyway, so much for continuing education.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=7N5Oh...feature=g-logo

This is completely staged, seems to be :

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=7N5OhNplEd4

https://youtube.com/watch?v=7N5Oh...feature=g-logo


A real elevator is situated in a narrow shaft in the building
with little to no extra space on the sides.
There is no way a real elevator would have a a spare room
from where the "scary child with doll" character enter in this video
that was referenced. This is not even a prank.
This is a studio setup, with actors in all roles.
Looks like an audition for the part of a scared passenger.
The "screemers" to not act very well either.
My view.

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PS.
Back to topic ?

[donk]

Is not clear for me where the topic split into philosophical posting , trying to rationalize the existence of life forms some never (realize) encountered.

Bill started this thread about HITCHHIKERS .

Good point, I strayed myself, sorry...the way I read the article, I tried to send my personal account to Elise via Bill...it would probably be a decent contribution...when I find it!

Anyways, I been dealing with a bunch of them on my girlfriend, who is extremely "sensitive" to these spirits (she sees "dead people" everywhere), and love the Steve Richards material, though this article kind of brings that "down to earth" a bit.

I been trying to figure out how to (as Mr. Richards calls it) "bend and fold space-time, to fix the past-present-and-future"...that's where I get stuck on his material. He says it so matter of factly, as if any one should be able to do it on command. I would love someone to explain this to me, or point me to somewhere that he does.

My other problem is that I am not sensitive at all. That's how intense the HH's I am dealing with are, she will be pointing to or talking to "someone" in the room, and I don't even have a shred of feeling. When she upsets one of them (by wishing him to be gone), he will effect her or the 3D environment (blew out a light bulb once, and made me "feel" him one time).

The thing I get from Richards' and this material, is that she has to get right with her unhealed trauma (easier said than done). But I'm stuck with a chicken/egg scenario, whichever is the original cause (her 3D personal trauma or extradimensional "paranormal" issues) makes the other even more difficult (ADDS FEAR) to deal with.

So I as carefully as I can try to provide information that may help her get over her fears, look for ways of presenting the techniques and lessons that I have learned that allow to me handle these guys like Elise mentions, completely devoid of emotional attachment, attempting to face them with no fear and all love (or indifference), and have been becoming increasingly successful...particularly in identifying the phenemonon.

But this leads me to the other problem I have with the holographic kinetics and the article...talking to the spirits. I can talk to the ones that temporarily possess her. Note here, that this all the "proof" I personally need to know that we are stronger (or at least as strong) as any hitchhiker, they can't stay in control long, even before i learned to stop feeding them my fear (I feared for my girl at first, the whole possession thing was new to me...it has since become "normal" or at least: expected). Anyway, I am getting to know a couple of these spirits or HHs or fragmented aspects of her personality or whatever they are, however I also KNOW there is more there than I can see and speak to. SR does it almost completely telepathically and the article mentions that is how most communication with this stuff is...I have no telepathic ability, am I going to be able to help her let go of these guys?

I just want to be able to move forward, I know you can't FORCE anyone to deal with their demons and get over their fears and spend as much time working on themselves as they do on TV and buying crap and whatever it is she does to distract herself--but any advice on how to help her would be appreciated. I am way invested in the relationship and love her with all my heart, but unconditionally, meaning if she ever gives up or completely STOPS trying to learn and grow, I will leave rather than enable her to remain stagnant and not empower herself. But I need to give her a push, something to get it going smoother...when I first met her we were knocking out baggage and damage at record pace, I need some helpd to get out of a slump where we've slowed to a crawl. Thanks if you bothered reading this far

[noxon medem]

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For different reasons.

[donk]

I guess this falls under action items:

Anyone know a Steve Richards type or a good exorcist with reasonable rates in the northern Delaware (U.S.) area?

AND/OR Reiki healer and/or hypnotist? No matter what you feel about the OP, it seems everyone agrees that you got to "clean your own vehicle" in order to most effectively clean your house.

Oh that reminds me...most of the (obvious) hitchhikers are more comfortable coming out at the house...could that be cuz of her state of mind, my presence there, or the real question: a geographic/spatial limitation they have?

Richards mentions that many of the spirits are other people's baggage, left behind or misplaced.

Other concern: Past life issues. Was trying to hold off asking about that until I got response for modern era issues, though want to put that out there. Not only can i not bend and fold space/time, see or speak to most spirits, but I have not past life regression skills.

Bit of synchronicity though: my babe just texted that she is hosting an old friends' wiccan (all female--boo discrimination!) meeting next month. I told her to make sure they came early to cleanse the joint, or it will be some heavy energy up in here...

[DNA]

I found this a very interesting read. I agree with just about everything stated.
In my experience the hitchhikers are much less permanent and tend to body swap much more often.
I suppose it is very possible that something could become more permenent, it just hasn't been what I have witnessed.

I'm a bit of a haunted person, and for what ever reason, as soon as I can rid myself of one "hitchhiker", it is immediatly replaced.

I've searched for reasons, and I really don't have one.
It could be karmic, it could be an incarnational vibration we all must go through at one time or another.
I don't really know, but it literally sucks.

I liked the phrasing used to try and get the hitchhiker to pass over, or enter the tunnel of light if you will.
It's very transactional analysis to ask a question to get an entity out of a state of thinking it is stuck in.

I took me a long time to happen onto a very similiar line of questioning. My go to move is to ask the entity to "acknowledge the possibility that you do not know everything". From The Cross Over Technique

After post #11, I realized that my energy could help ghosts cross over.

The being embodying or accompanying the pinkish astral light had given me an important personal revelation, (that the beings I thought were ghosts, were in fact ghosts). A validation that I needed.

Now I could interact with them and have no fear.

Knowledge is power my freinds, and no knowledge can ever replace first hand experiential data.

I fudged up a lot of cross over opputunities before I latched on to, a key phrase and singular objective.

The key phrase? "Acknowledge the possibility that you do not know everything". And the singular objective? Introduce them to a loved one who desperatly wants to help them and who knows all of their pains and wrongs and forgives them and wants to talk with them. Once you get them to this point it's out of your hands.

They key phrase helps, because ghosts have already been approached by someone and rejected them, and the only reason they would have done that, is because they are absolutely positive about something that they are in error of.

As such, I have found that instead of asking a bunch of stupid questions, empathizing wth them, and trying to play arm chair psychologist with a ghost, I can bypass all of that by simply offering up the simple and reasonable mantra. "Acknowledge the possibility that you do not know everything".

How do I get them to play along? Well, the request is reasonable enough, you must admit. But, I do pull the old bait and switch routine.

You see, I could tell you interaction starts off with me giving the ghost energy in a Reiki like manner, but that wouldn't be the full truth really.
The truth of the matter is this.
I notice the ghost fluttering around me, intoxicating itself with my energy.
And I then make the best of a bad situation.
I wait until I am alone and can pull the shades shut, or it is night time.
I then give the ghost my energy through the palms of my hand.
I then ask the ghost to repeat the key phrase or I will stop giving it energy.
I can feel when the ghost complies.
There is a change in their demeanor.
I can't help but to feel wether the ghost is pissed off or hurt and wounded.
I'm an empath, I'm not telepathic.
But the empathic gauge is all I need.
Either way they want to be understood.
So this is what I say next.
"Imagine there is someone who has known you since you were a baby, this person loves you and understands your pain and wants to help you. This person forgives you and has comfort for you. All you have to do is agree to talk to them."

I might say this a few more times, depending on the situation bringing out of me a slight differing variation, but they are all in this aim.

When the spirit agrees that they would like to talk to someone a gateway or portal opens up, and a pinkish astral light fills the room.

The portal/visitor does not really interact with me, I ussually have the mental visual of watching two people walking down a tunnel, lit by pinkish light.

I then feel that all of my energy that was expended in bringing the ghost to understanding has been replenished, and then some

If you would like to hear somone's experiences attempting to validate and understand this hitchiker phenomenon you could check out my thread here.

Also, just as a passing piece of information I have picked up, there are certain tell tale clues I have noted when a hitchhiker is present. One of those is that when you have a plethora of eye floaties going on, this almost always has occured while I have one aboard.