left brain - right brain... which one do you use?

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
There is a graphical clue as to which way the silhouette is actually, factually rotating from the sequence of still pictures making up the movie/.gif

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There is ONLY ONE WAY the girl is FACTUALLY spinning.

And, pray tell, which way is it that she is factually spinning, and what is the graphical clue of this fact?

P.S. -- I can guess however that anyone who would say it is unambiguous which way she is really spinning is strongly left brained, and so would see her spinning clockwise .

[angelahedgehog]

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)

Not meaning to be antagonizing, but ...

Not to be pedantic but ... ... I was trying to clarify what I was saying earlier that I thought you may not have completely understood what I was trying to say. It is a deliberately ambiguous image. The use of the silhouette is deceiving because it can be perceived to be spinning either way.

Did you see that the trick is explained by my reasoning in the images I created? This is how I understood the images. I think it's important to consider that my understanding may be as correct as yours. As originally stated it was just an observation. Nothing quite as serious as world peace.

If you look at the images I drew on, in white pen, as you would if you were reading a book, you might see that the first set shows the clockwise perspective, and the second set depicts the counterclockwise perspective.
The source image is the same, the white lines change the meaning.

I don't know how to make this clearer so if you don't agree with that, I don't mind. If nobody agrees with that, i don't mind.
it's just an illusion conjured up by your mind and is determined by which brain hemisphere is dominant.

Thank you WhiteCrowBlackDear for adding the images, that was a lovely surprise and I am very thankful. Bless you.
The first one might be better labelled "clockwise" and the second, "counter clockwise"

Rolling on ....

[angelahedgehog]

Posted by gripreaper (here)
So, looking at it from the subjective individual point of view, I have had to work at developing my right hemisphere due to the upbringing I was subjected to. First, I had to recognize the lack of synaptic connection in my own psyche, and then take steps to develop my internal feminine connectedness to this side of my brain. I do believe that the synapses can be rewired, and it takes a resonant return to the scene where the energy was severed and became dominant, but it can be done.

You're right, it can be done but it requires awareness and intent to increase the number of connections you have. Eventually you can create more efficient pathways and your hemispheres can work together. You're right about having to overcome the intense programming you're subjected to if you're just left to "flow" through the system with minimal guidance you have so much to learn first (new connections to build). In computing terms, the connection between left and right brain is hard wired and the programming to disrupt communications is just software - can be altered.

[Hervé]

Posted by Paul (here)

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
There is a graphical clue as to which way the silhouette is actually, factually rotating from the sequence of still pictures making up the movie/.gif<B>

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</B>There is ONLY ONE WAY the girl is FACTUALLY spinning.

And, pray tell, which way is it that she is factually spinning, and what is the graphical clue of this fact?

P.S. -- I can guess however that anyone who would say it is unambiguous which way she is really spinning is strongly left brained, and so would see her spinning clockwise .

Sorry Paul, I am not gona tell which are the clues because, lets say, of this saying:

"The truth will set you free... but first it'll piss you off!"


And, so far, this thread -- and even the previous one on this subject -- demonstrates a reality for those who have eyes to see and that is: the divide between people trusting their perceptions and inclined to pursue an illusion and keep being fooled by it and those who have an accurate perception that can be relied upon and, of course, all the shades of greys in-between.

As I wrote earlier:

PS: Like many who keep looking at that spinning beauty, I get fooled half the times...

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
Sorry Paul, I am not gona tell which are the clues because, lets say, of this saying:

Ah - Ok then - so be it.

I will continue to trust my lying eyes over someone who claims to have some contrary insights, but declines to state them for rather generic reasons.

Cool ... carry on ...

[Hervé]

Posted by angelahedgehog (here)
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... I was trying to clarify what I was saying earlier that I thought you may not have completely understood what I was trying to say. It is a deliberately ambiguous image. The use of the silhouette is deceiving because it can be perceived to be spinning either way.

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I did understand what you wrote and explained which didn't address the point I am making:

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)

Posted by angelahedgehog (here)
An observation ....

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... it's neither actually because its just a collection of still images, animated sequentially to simulate movement.

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I like the observation as a whole except for the part quoted above.

Here is why:

There is a graphical clue as to which way the silhouette is actually, factually rotating from the sequence of still pictures making up the movie/.gif as explained by christian earlier in the thread in the case of making a movie of someone rotating and cutting it into still pictures to make a .gif.

... sorry if that's too much "left-brain" for some, but that's the case and not an opinion.

Which leads to the problem of one's perception as to which way the silhouette is seen to be rotating: one way is an illusion and one is fooled by it and the other way is an actuality and one's perception of the observed phenomenon is accurate and can be relied upon.


PS: Like many who keep looking at that spinning beauty, I get fooled half the times...

There is ONLY ONE DIRECTION the silhouette is really, actually, factually spinning.

Both directions are perceptions. However, one is complete illusion and the other matches the reality included in the graphic rendering.

Accordinlgy, the "it's all an illusion" is not correct nor true.

I agree that the gif/swf is deliberately misleading. However, when one considers the graphical clues, one is then able to perceive the actual direction of rotation graphically depicted through the correct anchoring of one's frame of reference.

There isn't much else I can write about this short of divulging the clues which no one else seems to have gotten or else they have kept it to themselves, which I would understand why they would do so.

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
There is ONLY ONE DIRECTION the silhouette is really, actually, factually spinning.

The graphics programmers that I worked with in a prior job could have easily taken a 3D model of the surface of a lovely young lady, then calculated its projection from various angles, then constructed a dynamic gif from a selection of those projections. In which case, there would never have been any real person spinning, not even the modeling of someone spinning, except as simulated in the final product, with the selection of several projections, shown in a selected sequence.

[Hervé]

Posted by Paul (here)

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
There is ONLY ONE DIRECTION the silhouette is really, actually, factually spinning.

The graphics programmers that I worked with in a prior job could have easily taken a 3D model of the surface of a lovely young lady, then calculated its projection from various angles, then constructed a dynamic gif from a selection of those projections. In which case, there would never have been any real person spinning, not even the modeling of someone spinning, except as simulated in the final product, with the selection of several projections, shown in a selected sequence.

Indeed, that's why I keep with: "Graphically depicted."

The individual(s) who designed this spinning silhouette included graphic clues as to which direction she is being made to be actually spinning.

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
The individual(s) who designed this spinning silhouette included graphic clues as to which direction she is being made to be actually spinning.

And a teapot orbits the Sun somewhere in space between the Earth and Mars

By the way, the individual who designed this was, I believe, Nobuyuki Kayahara

[Hervé]

Posted by Paul (here)

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
The individual(s) who designed this spinning silhouette included graphic clues as to which direction she is being made to be actually spinning.

And a teapot orbits the Sun somewhere in space between the Earth and Mars

By the way, the individual who designed this was, I believe, Nobuyuki Kayahara

And?

It doesn't negate that the graphically depicted motion describes a very specific direction of rotation.

Thank you for the Nobuyuki Kayahara link, it makes it even more obvious! Well, at least to me...

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
It doesn't negate that the graphically depicted motion describes a very specific direction of rotation.

My point in referencing Russell's teapot is that it is yourself who is making the unfalsifiable claim, so the burden of proof is on you to explain how the depicted motion does determine the direction, not us to provide that no such direction is determined.

[Hervé]

Posted by Paul (here)

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
It doesn't negate that the graphically depicted motion describes a very specific direction of rotation.

My point in referencing Russell's teapot is that it is yourself who is making the unfalsifiable claim, so the burden of proof is on you to explain how the depicted motion does determine the direction, not us to provide that no such direction is determined.

Nop!

I must admit it is definitely challenging...

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
Nop!

I must admit it is definitely challenging...

If you should ever relent and decide to show us why one direction of rotation is the definitive direction ... I'd like to know .

Meanwhile, for now at least, I will remain confident there is no definitive direction.

Only you can choose to change this deadlock.

[Daughter of Time]

I looked at the silhouette for about 20 minutes. To my perception, the silhouette changes rotation:

First it was clockwise for quite some time.

Then it went counterclockwise

Then back to clockwise

Then counterclockwise

Then clockwise again

Because it was clockwise for a long time, i imagine I'm right brain. I've always considered myself Right Brain.

But if I'm to go with what I see the silhouette do, then I guess I'm just a scatter-brain.

[Hervé]

Posted by Daughter of Time (here)
I looked at the silhouette for about 20 minutes. To my perception, the silhouette changes rotation:

First it was clockwise for quite some time.

Then it went counterclockwise

Then back to clockwise

Then counterclockwise

Then clockwise again

Because it was clockwise for a long time, i imagine I'm right brain. I've always considered myself Right Brain.

But if I'm to go with what I see the silhouette do, then I guess I'm just a scatter-brain.

Thanks for the chuckle DoT!

Actually their interpretation of being able to perceive both is different than a "scatter brain":

The following table illustrates the differences between left-brain and right-brain thinking:

Left Brain .................. Right Brain

Logical ....................... Random
Sequential .................. Intuitive
Rational ...................... Holistic
Analytical ................... Synthesizing
Objective ....................Subjective
Looks at parts ............. Looks at wholes

Most individuals have a distinct preference for one of these styles of thinking. Some, however, are more whole-brained and equally adept at both modes. In general, schools tend to favor left-brain modes of thinking, while downplaying the right-brain activities. Left-brain scholastic subjects focus on logicalthinking, analysis, and accuracy. Right-brained subjects, on the other hand, focus on aesthetics, feeling, and creativity.

[Eram]

Very interesting test!

It moved clockwise for me. so... that means right brain eh?
I would never have guessed.
I mean... I know that I'm an intuitive, but strangely, I always figured myself to be quite analytical, logical and objective... hmmm

time for introspection

[sangstar1]

Some years ago, I volunteered to have a brain scan at the Brain Research Institute situated at the Austin Hospital in Heidelberg.
When I was in this tube I was shown objects like animals and some numbers as well plus other things.
At the end when they started to show my brain images, it was revealed that my brain works both the left and right side at the same time.
One Professor there said to me that it was very unusual for anyone using both side of the brain at the same time but he assured me that there was nothing wrong with my brain.

[angelahedgehog]

Withdrawn because I don't really care anymore .... Moving on.

[Hervé]

Posted by angelahedgehog (here)
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You tell me I'm wrong, instead of commenting on the CONTENT I created...

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Nowhere did I mentioned you being wrong.

The only thing I keep mentioning is that from either possibilities you depicted, there is an ACTUAL, FACTUAL direction of rotation that's graphically depicted and which, obviously, is kept being missed.

[greybeard]

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)

Posted by angelahedgehog (here)
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You tell me I'm wrong, instead of commenting on the CONTENT I created...

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Nowhere did I mentioned you being wrong.

The only thing I keep mentioning is that from either possibilities you depicted, there is an ACTUAL, FACTUAL direction of rotation that's graphically depicted and which, obviously, is kept being missed.

Yes but!!!
Please say which is the actual direction factual.
My senses say that somebody is actually joking---in other words the fact is that it spins clockwise for a definite time then anti clockwise then back.
Nothing over much to do with left or right brain thinking--- The Emperor has no clothes said the boy who saw clearly.
So please say what is the fact Amzer Zo--- I dont mind being wrong.

Chris