what if the whole '2012' things are not *real* and just a mere wishful-thinking?

[niki]

what if that's the case? are you all ready?

indeed I do also wish that at least *something* would happen, especially on/around the often 'prophesied/predicted' date of December 21 2012.

but, what if these whole "2012" things are just clever & creative man's made-up hoax/scams/theories,
and/or not real and just our mere wishful-thinking/fantasy/escapism from everyday's harsh/mundane reality/real-life?

in fact, if NOTHING happens on or around that date, and the mundane "life/business goes as usual" with all humanity/society, that's what I'm afraid the most!

-regards from truth-seeker from Indonesia-
-Niki-

[Wind]

Let's wait and see. If nothing happens then life continues and we have to move on, it's simple as that.

[Sibyl]

Posted by niki (here)
what if that's the case? are you all ready?

indeed I do also wish that at least *something* would happen, especially on/around the often 'prophesied/predicted' date of December 21 2012.

but, what if these whole "2012" things are just clever & creative man's made-up hoax/scams/theories,
and/or not real and just our mere wishful-thinking/fantasy/escapism from everyday's harsh/mundane reality/real-life?

in fact, if NOTHING happens on or around that date, and the mundane "life/business goes as usual" with all humanity/society, that's what I'm afraid the most!

-regards from truth-seeker from Indonesia-
-Niki-

Same here. If nothing at all happens good or bad, it will to be a big eye opener for me. No longer will I listen to anymore BS on so-called ‘Truth’. I will consider myself done with searching. I’m not sorry that I spent so much money and time on learning what I’ve learned, but I’m afraid that I will not be able to listen to, nor trust another human being that has any of ‘The’ so-called answers.

I’ve seen many self appointed guru’s now putting a lot of effort into pushing that time date up just in case nothing happens so that they will be able to continue selling their BS. There will probably be some who have not been around very long who will still listen and continue to pay money for truth. But for me, no more.

[Kimberley]

When we all wake up on December 22nd all will still be in perfect order.

If you have not seen this thread https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...e-on-2012-yet-



Here is a movie to watch about what is happening...

2012-Crossing-Over-the-best-movie-on-2012-yet

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=hlfYHAV1i8w

[Cidersomerset]

21 st Dec 2012 has not registered with me since I became aware of the Mayan calender thing 4/5 years ago.
Echos of it had been in the background earlier without it registering.I remember David icke being asked about it
and he saw no resinance in it.There were mention of it in some of the Camelot interviews & radio shows.
Coast to Coast and some other radio shows were/are full of it, the history & Scyfi channels have made programmes about it...

Bob & Ion says nothing will happen. Its the shortest daylight day of the year here in the UK.
I'l get up go to work come back get on the forum and hope we are all still here !! cheers Steve...

Thats not to say many people are not spiritually waking up !!

[Rollo]

The change is inevitable, too much energy is directed to this date. I see better world for all of us but I agree we have to wait and see. No matter what we will adapt as usual. Love you all creative people

[Ellisa]

I agree with you CS,and there is also the fact that when you are having your breakfast cup of tea my Dec 21 will be nearly over!

That is the trouble with date specific prophesy, it does not take the International Date Line into account!

[spiritguide]

2012 and beyond will be exactly what you make of it. You control your environment and everything in it.

[RMorgan]

Hey mate,

Honestly, I couldn´t care less.

Whatever happens, I´m ready.

If something great, completely extraordinary happens, I´m ready.

If things continue to go on like they are right now, I´m ready.

If things get much worse, I´m ready.

Whatever happens, I´m living a happy life right now and I intend to continue to do so.

Raf.

[Youniverse]

Will something "happen" for you? I already know something will change for me as it is, and has been doing. Since we all create our own reality from our beliefs, and we all "see" things in our own unique way, what I experience will be something different than you. But the difference for many will be a subtle one, varying in degrees. A lot depends on how firm our belief structures and expectations are regarding 2012 and beyond. Remember, the process works the exact opposite to what most of us have believed most of our lives. First comes the belief/thoughts/emotions, then comes the reality we experience. I could go on and on but I know for a fact I will not be fearful heading into Dec.21, at all. Only focussing on my positive vision for the future and right now.

[BrianEn]

Then my life will continue as it was before.

[indigopete]

Posted by Sibyl (here)
Same here. If nothing at all happens good or bad, it will to be a big eye opener for me. No longer will I listen to anymore BS on so-called ‘Truth’. I will consider myself done with searching

Sibyl -

That actually wouldn't be a bad thing. If we all stopped being lead and started doing some leading ourselves, the world would be a better place.

Also, remember something else - when it comes to geological anthropological or even geopolitical earth changes, having a fixation about specific dates is just plain stupid. If you're lucky, major earth changes happen over a period of a few centuries. All you need to do is look at the cyclic markers we work with on a daily basis to see that . . .

Midday:
Significance=Very High, marks end of the sun's daily ascension
Does anything happen ? = No. It's very boring

Full Moon:
Significance = Very High, marks the end of a lunar cycle which controls the tides, and god knows how many other terrestrial cycles of activity
Does anything happen ? = Not unless you're looking and not if it's cloudy

Vernal (Spring) Equinox:
Significance: = Very high, marks the exact equilibrium point of the earth's passage through the plane of the ecliptic with the sun directly over the equator at noon UTC. Major practical impact on the planet as it indicates the start of summer in the Northern hemisphere)
Does anything happen ? = No. Very boring

Solar Maximum:
Significance: = Very High. Marks the period of sunspot cycles which effectively denote its electromagnetic "heartbeat". Is likely to be of critical importance to life on earth
Does anything happen ? = No. Very boring (You might notice it if you're a fruitfly)

So there you go - if that's how noticeable the markers are for earth change cycles that are right in our faces, don't expect any fireworks for a 26,000 year one. Big highways don't have sharp corners and we're probably just in the middle of a 300 year "corner" right now. Newtonian Physics, discovery of planetary motion, Electricity, Industrial Revolution, Communications Revolution, Television, Internet Quantum Theory . . . . and you're still waiting for a bang ?

Sorry, but you're smack in the middle of the biggest known evolutionary jump that ever happened on this planet as it is !

Just get your surfboard out and jump on

Pete

[white wizard]

The changed has already happened and if you really wanna see it then you need to

start paying attention to the people, animals and earth. The change has been so

subtle that unless you look at the big picture very care fully you will miss it and

people 30 years from know after the smoke clears will be like wow things were really

starting to change in 2010-2012, but no one connected all the dots till much later.

Relax enjoy the shift it will gain more traction in coming years and make itself very

known. If you are expecting some big event than you may be very disappointed,

because Gaia has chosen this to be a very smooth transition over time and if

you really start paying attention to the signs it will become obvious whats

occurred.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=8KtciXkpYrc

here is a video that may help

[Davidallany]

Posted by niki (here)
what if that's the case? are you all ready?

indeed I do also wish that at least *something* would happen, especially on/around the often 'prophesied/predicted' date of December 21 2012.

but, what if these whole "2012" things are just clever & creative man's made-up hoax/scams/theories,
and/or not real and just our mere wishful-thinking/fantasy/escapism from everyday's harsh/mundane reality/real-life?

in fact, if NOTHING happens on or around that date, and the mundane "life/business goes as usual" with all humanity/society, that's what I'm afraid the most!

-regards from truth-seeker from Indonesia-
-Niki-

This question is a good motivator to elevate one's awareness by one's own efforts using all available methods. Instead of waiting for an outside force to manifest. All one has to do is to start the spiritual journey and continue studying, questioning and practicing. That have been said I believe that real change has been happening allover the world, and this sort of magnitude indicates an outside influnce on humanity.

[Carmen]

"Doubters" usually negate the subtle change of consciousness of the "Presence"of the present moment. Their minds are too full with "doubting" Change has been going on for quite some time now and will continue to. Change of weather, changes in environment, changes in consciousness. But, if we are not "present" it just flies right over our head!!

[Sibyl]

@ indigopete

Yes Pete, I think you are very right about not following anyone, and if this date is not any more interesting than the rest of the times we are living through, then I will have taken a somewhat giant leap forward when I choose to drop what I consider to be excess crap. It certainly won’t be the first time that realization has come after a good slap up the side the head with a two by four, but I do end up learning something...I think.

[Ellisa]

Of course there will be change. Life on this planet is cyclical- as the ancient inhabitants found out many times as the ice approached and retreated, and in another example, disaster occurred when the dinosaurs and then the mammoths found their environments changed--- some think incredibly quickly, almost overnight.

Personally I believe things are changing physically, some of it in measurable ways. I am yet to be convinced that the changes will affect the world in a sort of flash of truth-- but that is just my belief. I do think we will survive, but I do also think we will need to adapt to some new things happening, maybe without our control, with regard, for instance, to weather, climate shift and the consequences of our reckless carbon production.

I don't however believe for one moment that the Maya's predictions are at the heart of the situation, and I notice that no-one has commented on my valid point regarding date-based prophesy. To allow the prophesy to manifest worldwide there should be 3 days allowed! The 20th, then 21st and finally the 22nd, depending on where you live!

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[Arrowwind]

It seems that perhaps some folks are not understanding the astronomy of the 2012. I can only encourage you to watch this movie. It explains the Yugas according to Vedic writings better than most. The yuga teaching explains it much more clearly than the Mayan teaching in my opinion.

Regardless of what happens it is a calling to wake up to love, not to truth, not to new government, not to changed economics, not to ascension.... It is a calling to open your heart. Now if this calling is valid, based on the stars or calendar or the new age teacher or whatever direction you are getting your informaiton from, what do you have to loose.

Allow your heart to open, allow your mind to open. Thats all we really have to think about regarding this shift. Its really the only part that we can play if we actively want to grow anyway. There is nothing to loose and everything to gain though loving more and allowing yourself to enter into the higher esoteric levels of loving.

As far as I can tell this shift into more consciousness is being called forth from most of the major teachings.
All we really have to do is open our hearts and just be here now.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=hlfYHAV1i8w

[indigopete]

Posted by Arrowwind (here)
It seems that perhaps some folks are not understanding the astronomy of the 2012

@Arrowwind

Have you and idea how far away (and how big) the galactic centre is ???

We've been lined up with it for years for all practical purposes. Everybody's hearts are already open. Many folk's have been since the dawn of man.

What about all the creativity all around you ? Maybe 2012 means that people who harp on about everybody needing to "open their hearts" will stop reading all the negative stuff in the media and taking a different view of what's actually already happening on the planet.

Something else that doesn't get mentioned a lot is that negativity is a good thing. It's an essential element of harmony because it represents the boundary between mutually disharmonious forms of expression, thereby driving them to combine with more harmonious ones. So don't expect everyone to suddenly start being nice to each other after 2012 unless it suits them

Here's some more stuff on that for perusal purposes . . . http://alignment2012.com/whatisga.htm. Also, this is a great visualisation of the galactic allignments . . . http://www.lunarplanner.com/HCmovies...e300Frame.html.

By the way, I speak as someone who read Jose Arguilles' "The Mayan Factor" 20 odd years ago and was blown away by it. It's just that I've had the intervening 20 years to put everything in a bit of perspective.

Pete

[markpierre]

Posted by niki (here)
what if that's the case? are you all ready?

indeed I do also wish that at least *something* would happen, especially on/around the often 'prophesied/predicted' date of December 21 2012.

but, what if these whole "2012" things are just clever & creative man's made-up hoax/scams/theories,
and/or not real and just our mere wishful-thinking/fantasy/escapism from everyday's harsh/mundane reality/real-life?

in fact, if NOTHING happens on or around that date, and the mundane "life/business goes as usual" with all humanity/society, that's what I'm afraid the most!

-regards from truth-seeker from Indonesia-
-Niki-

Incredible. How much evidence of change do you need? There is no more 'business as usual'. Better define sleeping again.

Buying in to fantasies has been the problem all along. Sort of have to take responsibility for that don't you?
How do you think buying in to more appealing fantasies will solve it?