2012 - James Horak reveals what will really happen

[andrewgreen]

Posted by ghostrider (here)
A little secret for those that don't know, Mr. Horak is an ET. There I said it, believe what you want, do your own research.

Where should we start?

[Debra]

Posted by andrewgreen (here)

Posted by ghostrider (here)
A little secret for those that don't know, Mr. Horak is an ET. There I said it, believe what you want, do your own research.

Where should we start?

Hi andrewgreen,
there are some focussed interviews in which James opens up about his background. Go to Off Planet Radio (www.offplanetradio.com) but also to the Kevin Smith Show and you can find for a small membership fee podcasts in the archives (I really enjoy James conversations with Kevin Smith, especially about his history - www.kevinsmithshow.com). However, Randy Maugans on Off Planet Radio has done some fantastic chats with James as well and the roundtable discussions he does with Crystal Clark - for Off Planet Radio and also another broadcaster - there was one out recently - These also are excellent material. James is concerned more with applying what he knows, I have found, than just talking about himself but he will answer all questions put to him. I find him incredibly open, genuine and really interesting. Obviously

I am sure others on this forum have other links, which I have not covered here. I know that there has been other threads here that have discussed his understanding of emvs etc., I am to look through these myself.

ALSO, the website where James and others keep some interesting information and photographs and also provide an open forum where you can ask him yourself: http://emvsinfo.blogspot.se

[Arrowwind]

Many of us are ET. It is irrelevant if you understand this.

What it comes down to is the person in question of and by the heart,
and do they recognize the soverignty of the individual human soul
within the group of the human soul field?
Do they support the soverignity of each individual human being
and is their speech and action upholdant of this principle?

[PurpleLama]

Posted by Arrowwind (here)
Many of us are ET. It is irrelevant if you understand this.

What it comes down to is the person in question of and by the heart,
and do they recognize the soverignty of the individual human soul
within the group of the human soul field?
Do they support the soverignity of each individual human being
and is their speech and action upholdant of this principle?

Oh yeah .

[Youniverse]

Posted by StarSeed (here)
Seeing is believing for many. So be it.

Actually believing is seeing. But I get that most people see it as the opposite.

[Wind]

Posted by Youniverse (here)
Actually believing is seeing. But I get that most people see it as the opposite.

For me following my intuition is knowing, because so far it has never mislead me. The same cannot be said of my ego. Maybe I should have said that seeing is knowing for many, but what happens then if you cannot see? I do not need eyes for seeing for my heart feels and sees everything. I believe in my heart.

[Youniverse]

Yes I agree intuition is our compass.

[Arrowwind]

That people who are having NDE experiences in America are being killed, as being claimed by Horak, is a big stretch for me and it certainly makes me question his authority/credibility.

[andrewgreen]

Hello Zebra and thanks for the info, appreciate it.

Arrowwind I think the distinction is between a physical ET and spiritual one. Paradoxically however this distinction is irrelevant. However listening to an actual physical ET I would think would be of interest to most people.

[Debra]

Posted by Arrowwind (here)
Many of us are ET. It is irrelevant if you understand this.

What it comes down to is the person in question of and by the heart,
and do they recognize the soverignty of the individual human soul
within the group of the human soul field?
Do they support the soverignity of each individual human being
and is their speech and action upholdant of this principle?

Beautifully put Arrowwind. I would say that claiming our sovereignty is at the heart of this 2012 energy. I feel this is part of the message that James with Torz and Shuny were unraveling, that this is about finding out what we have been missing - which ultimately is our true selves and full potential as sovereign beings.

[Arrowwind]

Posted by andrewgreen (here)
Hello Zebra and thanks for the info, appreciate it.

Arrowwind I think the distinction is between a physical ET and spiritual one. Paradoxically however this distinction is irrelevant. However listening to an actual physical ET I would think would be of interest to most people.

Yes, for the spiritually advanced there will be no difference.

I am however finding statements in this first posted video of question.

It is a nice daydream that he presents, having this altered consciousness for a few days.
Many of us have already been there and done that, and may even today as I write these words
are having the expericence.
Do not dispair if this global awakening does not happen on a visible level starting dec 21.
It is already happening
and has been happening for many years.

[Debra]

Posted by Arrowwind (here)
That people who are having NDE experiences in America are being killed, as being claimed by Horak, is a big stretch for me and it certainly makes me question his authority/credibility.

After reading Michael Newman's books and those by others this year I found this mention of interest. I would like to ask James how he knows this but I am certainly going to be doing some research myself, because the material I have read - and it has been a great deal as I have been fascinated about the subject of lives between lives by Newman and other caseworkers - does place these NDEs back a few years ago. So my response was a little different, I feel that James' comment has something to it.

Nonetheless, it is a fair question. Perhaps you could ask him yourself.

[Arrowwind]

Posted by Zebra (here)
[it, for the fact that all accounts I have read refer to NDEs, which actually occurred a few years ago now.

Nonetheless, it is a fair question.

I would say that it might take a few years for people actually to come to terms with what happened to them to be ready to discuss it in public or in forum. Its not like you are almost dead in a surgery or near drowing or car accident, have a NDE and the following week you call your radio station to tell everyone about it.

Much of this is shared only in very intimate tellings between good friends and family.

His statement implies that someone is tracking people who have NDE, seeking them out and murdering them. How would these trackers actually know who did and didnt have a NDE? It is not generally something written in medical record either.
I assure you , doctors and nurses are not doing these murders.

I do most sincerely call BS on this one. When one goes around telling stories like Horak does, impeccibility really really counts.

[Debra]

Posted by Arrowwind (here)

Posted by andrewgreen (here)
Hello Zebra and thanks for the info, appreciate it.

Arrowwind I think the distinction is between a physical ET and spiritual one. Paradoxically however this distinction is irrelevant. However listening to an actual physical ET I would think would be of interest to most people.

Yes, for the spiritually advanced there will be no difference.


I am however finding statements in this first posted video of question.

It is a nice daydream that he presents, having this altered consciousness for a few days.
Many of us have already been there and done that, and may even today as I write these words
are having the expericence.
Do not dispair if this global awakening does not happen on a visible level starting dec 21.
It is already happening
and has been happening for many years.

When it comes to the question of who is spiritually advanced and what is spiritually advanced, I personally cannot define that for anyone else but myself. Even then, I could not set myself apart from others and claim to be any higher. Especially on this human plane where in my view, everyone I encounter is a gift for me to reflect on my own journey, even if it painful. Therefore, I try not to use the word us, thus speaking for others because I really don't know what another's experience is. I agree that a change or an evolution has been occurring for me. However, the one that James Horak speaks of, perhaps that could be different. I don't know. He does not talk about spiritual advancement, he refers to unified consciousness - specifically electric consciousness. I like to stay open.

[Debra]

Posted by Arrowwind (here)

Posted by Zebra (here)
[it, for the fact that all accounts I have read refer to NDEs, which actually occurred a few years ago now.

Nonetheless, it is a fair question.

I would say that it might take a few years for people actually to come to terms with what happened to them to be ready to discuss it in public or in forum. Its not like you are almost dead in a surgery or near drowing or car accident, have a NDE and the following week you call your radio station to tell everyone about it.

Much of this is shared only in very intimate tellings between good friends and family.

His statement implies that someone is tracking people who have NDE, seeking them out and murdering them. How would these trackers actually know who did and didnt have a NDE? It is not generally something written in medical record either.
I assure you , doctors and nurses are not doing these murders.

I do most sincerely call BS on this one. When one goes around telling stories like Horak does, impeccibility really really counts.

I think what he implies and what he means could be two different things Arrowwind. Again, the question goes to James Horak. I prefer not to interpret what he might mean because this part of the conversation was not fully expanded upon. I am interested to know more.

And I am not of the same opinion as yourself that James goes around telling stories. How do you arrive at that conclusion?

[johnf]

I find it interesting that Horak references Ac Tah, then attaches a more definite outcome to the 3 days. I like the fact that Ac Tah warns people that they need to act on what they experience, or they will not move ahead. Personally I don't see massive numbers of people prepared for this, and I think that some will just brush it off. I think some will be thrown into personal crisis because they can't deny what they saw and can't see themselves moving forward. They will be looking for help, and those with more experience being in the hallway between their old personal reality, and the new will have opportunities to share what they have learned.
On Horak, I must say I really liked what he had to say about a lot of things, till I saw him put others down a lot and go into near rage talking about the nasty state of things on and around planet earth. The thing there is, these feelings hit pretty close to home for me , and reflect what I need to work through myself. In a way it seems that I am just not accepting the unacceptable, and in another it shows an inability to deal with what is really going on in the here and now.
With all that said I have only spent a short while reading this thread, and will spend more today and in the future checking out links etc.
I definitely think that there is something to this time being a consciousness marker, and that the tumultuous changes we have seen in the last two years are still on the rise. What we do with what comes our way is the key though.

[Debra]

Posted by Youniverse (here)

Posted by StarSeed (here)
Seeing is believing for many. So be it.

Actually believing is seeing. But I get that most people see it as the opposite.

Nice reflections StarSeed and Youniverse. You are like a greek chorus here

[RunningDeer]

Somehow I just don't see those with their heads still buried deep in the sand ( can you think of any? ) getting a free ride to higher consciousness ( even a glimpse of it ) on Dec. 21 at ( or around ) 10PM.

Hello Hip Hipnotist,

Another possible scenario is many will pull their heads out of the sand, when enough energetics from the "us", the alignment, the upgrade in DNA, and/or awaken to the contracts made before their incarnation. But I'm guessing that most of my examples you will go poke-poke & chuckle-chuckle. (like others) Go ahead. Target practice if it makes you feel good. I can take it.

I've got all the proof I need that some feel the lift-off. When my seven sibling are together, they are a peanut-brittle glob. Alone, they have questions. Last week, my brother asked me to send information on MMS and the liver/gallbladder detox. This was after he said, he's going to call December 22nd, to say, "I told you so." I responded, “Fair enough, but promise me that you’ll call again, when you see gradual signs of compassion, forgiveness and kindness from yourself and others.”

His ego now takes small naps and unearths an urge to question, "Who am I" and "Why am I here?" Why? because even though he has everything, and I have nothing by his standards, he sees the peace and joy from his big sister that dropped out of the clock world back in 2004. A lifestyle that’s coming soon for everyone, where the only decision is how to share your days.

No matter, all is as it is. (What does that even mean?)

Hip Hipnotist, can you give me a hand with the party? My treat for a galactic non-GMO pizza ‘n’ beer celebration. For vegans, there'll be garlic and oil pizza. Plenty of parking available for space ships. We’ll have “beam me up, Scotty” spots. But I’m guessing many travelers will just bleep-in-bleep-out.

Smiles,
WhiteCrowBlackDeer

PS I forgot to concretely say, "In my world, it's happening already." Thanks for the reminder PurpleLama.

UPDATE:

Oh, that's right, I don't have a tv.

The brother I mentioned above? He has a TV in every room including the bathroom, the theater room and outside that's perfectly placed while laying in his hammock. Some of his TV's are the monster ones. I kid you not...

Posted by Hip Hipnotist (here)
"In this conversation Torz and Shuny had with James, he revealed what will really happen."

Whew, I've been waiting for someone to 'predict' what will REALLY happen on Dec. 21.

Not only that, but now we even have the time!

Is anyone keeping a score card?

If so I 'predict' an avalanche of disapointed people ( sheople ) thinking/hoping/praying that on December 21 at or around 10PM ( was that local, standard, mountain, central... ) "We will receive an expansion of the human consciousness that will enable us to see through the artificial matrix that the powers that still are have created for us."

Who is 'We'? I think most on this forum ( and a few in other places ) have in one way or another achieved an expansion of consciousness or we wouldn't be spending time here. But Dec. 21 at ( or around ) 10PM???

Let see, what's on tv at or around 10PM?

Oh, that's right, I don't have a tv.

That was just one of my rewards for 'slightly' raising my consciousness.

Somehow I just don't see those with their heads still buried deep in the sand ( can you think of any? ) getting a free ride to higher consciousness ( even a glimpse of it ) on Dec. 21 at ( or around ) 10PM.

My prediction is it ain't gonna happen.

No, that wasn't a prediction. That is what will REALLY happen -- at ( or around ) 10PM ;-)

[Debra]

Posted by johnf (here)
I find it interesting that Horak references Ac Tah, then attaches a more definite outcome to the 3 days. I like the fact that Ac Tah warns people that they need to act on what they experience, or they will not move ahead. Personally I don't see massive numbers of people prepared for this, and I think that some will just brush it off. I think some will be thrown into personal crisis because they can't deny what they saw and can't see themselves moving forward. They will be looking for help, and those with more experience being in the hallway between their old personal reality, and the new will have opportunities to share what they have learned.
On Horak, I must say I really liked what he had to say about a lot of things, till I saw him put others down a lot and go into near rage talking about the nasty state of things on and around planet earth. The thing there is, these feelings hit pretty close to home for me , and reflect what I need to work through myself. In a way it seems that I am just not accepting the unacceptable, and in another it shows an inability to deal with what is really going on in the here and now.
With all that said I have only spent a short while reading this thread, and will spend more today and in the future checking out links etc.
I definitely think that there is something to this time being a consciousness marker, and that the tumultuous changes we have seen in the last two years are still on the rise. What we do with what comes our way is the key though.

Nice post john I am curious as I watch those close to me unfold these days in surprising ways. The person you least expect suddenly gets interested and I marvel at that but I also can appreciate that others could have a harder time coming to terms - with really how fabulous they are. So yes, the degrees and intensities and for some there indeed could be another life time before something makes a true dent and accelerates their evolution. Personally, I find James' honesty in any given moment refreshing. I see his rage as passion because so quickly the man gets back on track and helps you to understand where he is coming from. He cares, I really believe that. I look forward to seeing more of your thinking here Johnf and I also need to get more on top of Ac Tah. They all have a piece of the puzzle.

[Mike]

Posted by Arrowwind (here)

Posted by Chinaski (here)
now, do i have to stop drinking and taking drugs during these 3 days Zeb? will i still feel the united consciousness if i'm thoroughly plastered on say, 12 or 13 Guinness?

Not too likely.
Do not expect to get new results when doing what one has always done.
For some, that is a definition of insanity.

i've never expected new results Arrowwind. i'm not sure where that currently places me in your dictionary....

@Ghostrider...maybe Horak is an ET, but i fail to see where "research" of any kind has anything to do with it, unless it eventually takes me to videos of James zooming thru the galaxy in a flying saucer. so very little of this has to do with fact than it does guesstimation or intuition.

@Starseed...i *do* have to see to believe. 'faith' of any kind is generally an Orwellian trick. i wonder: when did it become a virtue to blindly believe in something with so little thought or corraborating evidence???

i divide whistleblowers and Horak-types into 2 camps: those that are deliberately lying, and those that believe what they're saying is true (note: doesn't mean it *is* true) sincerity goes a long way with me, even if the msg is rubbish. if the heart is in the right place, i'll listen. i think Horak believes what he's saying is true; and i believe in some of his stuff as well - my intuition tells me it's valid. but there is no amount of research that will bring me any closer to certainty regarding EMV's around the sun or Horak's alleged extraterrestial origins.