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    Default Re: what if the whole '2012' things are not *real* and just a mere wishful-thinking?

    Many tune into themselves or feel the change in energy and linear time already, and just know something is happening for the good, and intend this.

    Others don't. I reckon we'll choose our own timeline on 21st Dec depending on what we focus our attention and heart on, and what our own energy frequency is by then. Free will and all of that .

    But can't say nothing's happening as the revelations of corruption and scandals in the political/financial/religious/medical and social care/education/agricultural worlds etc. over the last few years are pretty unprecedented, allowing the public to wake up and question some of the so called authority figures. Bring it on..
    Oh my ears and whiskers, how late it's getting!

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    Default Re: what if the whole '2012' things are not *real* and just a mere wishful-thinking?

    Too many people are trying to squeeze the data into their theories, you know, like square pegs into round holes kind of things...

    Just an example, that so-called alignment... when one draws a line between two points, well they are always aligned and therefore it's impossible to set a date to an alignment that's always there!

    Here is a video that explains that the three point alignment galactic center-sun-earth occurs every year -- no fail! -- and explains why the Mayan settled for 2012 for the end of their clock... simply because it symbolizes a triple simultaneous RE_BIRTH!


    And this is where one can find the script (with pictures) that goes along with the above video: http://www.infinitelymystical.com/es...cked-2012.html


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    Quote The Triple Rebirth of the Sun

    Now let's consider something else about the triple rebirth of the sun. As I touched on earlier, a triple rebirth of the sun happens year after year in the years around 2012. This is because the wobble of the earth is so slow that the conditions of the triple rebirth repeat almost exactly from one year to the next. (Eventually, the sun will be in the middle of the dark rift on the day after the winter solstice. Once that happens, there won't be another triple rebirth of the sun for about 26,000 years.) So of all these triple rebirths, why did the Maya pick the one that will happen in 2012? Is there something unique about that one? This leads us to the special configuration of the sacred tree.

    The Sacred Tree
    It just so happens that on December 21, 2012 at high noon, the sacred tree will be perfectly oriented in the sky over the Maya.

    At high noon, the sacred tree will contain a large planetary configuration centered around the sun.

    Now, I call this crossbar the crossbar of light since all these objects either reflect or give off light. The sun will be virtually exactly in the middle of Mars and Venus so this crossbar will be very balanced around the sun. The dark rift makes what I call the crossbar of darkness. At midday, this crossbar is not exactly vertical but it is 30 degrees shy of vertical.
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    Default Re: what if the whole '2012' things are not *real* and just a mere wishful-thinking?

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    what if that's the case? are you all ready?

    indeed I do also wish that at least *something* would happen, especially on/around the often 'prophesied/predicted' date of December 21 2012.

    but, what if these whole "2012" things are just clever & creative man's made-up hoax/scams/theories,
    and/or not real and just our mere wishful-thinking/fantasy/escapism from everyday's harsh/mundane reality/real-life?

    in fact, if NOTHING happens on or around that date, and the mundane "life/business goes as usual" with all humanity/society, that's what I'm afraid the most!

    -regards from truth-seeker from Indonesia-
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    Hi Niki,

    In my opinion, there is a big change going on spiritually, but nothing spectacular will happen on 21/12. To 99% of the world, it will be exactly like 20/12 and 22/12. The change which is taking place in human consciousness is gathering pace and will hopefully reach a tipping point soon (within my lifetime I hope) but i don't see this being related to the mayan calendar. I just think a lot of people like to see magic in numbers....

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    I've read all the stuff about the sun / solar system being "upgraded", massive flares, the earth expanding, pole shifts / axis shifts, etc.... personally, I don't see how human life survives ANY of those things... but I do think it is a turning point. I think it is the end of a window of opportunity for TPTW.... We're going into a positive timeline, much to their dismay. Not a good time coming for negative beings.... I do think my ex-wife is in deep doo doo......

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    At most we can do is wish or hope for things to happen have people receive an wake up call see the real reality what we should be live in.

    i'm sick of the world right now live in the system of fear and scarcity...people need to wake up and connect with our root.
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    I'm a believer in "build your reality" ... I just installed an antique, found well stone, as a bridge....

    To mark the changing times... To span inspirations for tomorrow. To build the change we seek.

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    I do exactly realize how far the galactic center is and I also realize how powerful it is and its influence on absolutely every star in the galaxy. That one could see that the galactic center affects all the stars and not believe that it can affect all of life is, well, limited thinking. What is happening is far more that crossing the galactic center,, still I think people have not watched the movie. This has been happening for quite a while yes, but at 2012 we cross the line into the Dwapara Yuga, into the bronze age out of the iron age of consciousness. The next 20 years should be quite amazing if it is an amplification of the last 20. This has been predicted and anticpated for many thousands of years in cultures all around the world.

    If one were to gain perspective over the last 20 years one would see that humanity is opening its heart already. Even though we still have very negative forces to deal with the ability to communicate from the heart has increased expoentially in my estimation since the 50's and 60s. The consciousness and awareness of people overall is greatly improved.

    Of course there have been people with open hearts for a long time. That is not the issue. You have to look at the bell curve of the unfoldment over time.

    When people fill their minds with negatives its hard to perceive and feel the positives. This shift is telling us that because of the solar changes in relationship of sun to galactic center and sun to sun (our sun to Sirius) the centers of the brain are activating. Its going to happen wether you believe or not. How fast it happens for you depends on how attached you are to the old paradigm and how attached you are to not shifting your reality. Unlike previous centuries you have the planets and stars and the whole milkyway pulling for you, so it can be much easier.

    It is a great time for celebration and to understand what is happening to us... to proclaim it from the mountain tops will only help to speed the transition in the hearts and souls of humanity. This is not death of a world coming, or a nation or a religion, it is a birth of a new way of being at the most grass roots level possible. I have every anticipation that it will bring forth greater changes than the cultural revolution of the 60s did, both for psychology, personal freedom, capacity to give and receive love as well as technological advances and the development of sustainable life choices... for we are seeing already and will see even more clearly our dynamic and symbioitic relationship to nature and our mother earth.

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    I think at this point, I wish we could have disclosure. I think that would be the biggest slap to quite a few folks. I think we need something for the masses, or I believe the majority of people will carry on as they have been for eons. We need one big thing, 9-11 truth (open a new investigation due to new evidence), or something that can not be swept under the carpet. I like to see a large number of people go "wtf?"
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    Quote Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
    Too many people are trying to squeeze the data into their theories, you know, like square pegs into round holes kind of things...

    Just an example, that so-called alignment... when one draws a line between two points, well they are always aligned and therefore it's impossible to set a date to an alignment that's always there!

    Here is a video that explains that the three point alignment galactic center-sun-earth occurs every year -- no fail! -- and explains why the Mayan settled for 2012 for the end of their clock... simply because it symbolizes a triple simultaneous RE_BIRTH!
    @Amzer Zo : so , are you saying that in the end, the whole "line up" thing of the Galactic alignment is being entirely made-up by the Mayans? as in like "connecting the line" (ie: making the line connection), where there is actually supposed to be NO LINE at all? ... what do we call this: the power of human's "connecting-the-dots" or deduction skill , that's often could be and DID often being misused by people??

    and with that said, also, what always have sort of ticked me off is:
    isn't the whole 21 December 2012 could just be, in actuality:

    1) a pretty sequence of numbers? eg: 21.12.2012 , just sort of like 344334334 , 88088808, 777, etc ??

    2) and consequently, just a MADE-UP thing by some people (eg: scammers, hoaxers, or basically, people who are sensationalists / looking for exciting sensations) , with our Gregorian calendar system, using those "ohh so pretty" sequence of numbers like 21.12.2012 ??

    if either one is true, that would be bad, and pretty irresponsible things to do, by people/humans... !

    Quote Posted by apokalypse (here)
    At most we can do is wish or hope for things to happen have people receive an wake up call see the real reality what we should be live in.

    i'm sick of the world right now live in the system of fear and scarcity...people need to wake up and connect with our root.
    Quote Posted by Mandala (here)
    I think at this point, I wish we could have disclosure. I think that would be the biggest slap to quite a few folks. I think we need something for the masses, or I believe the majority of people will carry on as they have been for eons. We need one big thing, 9-11 truth (open a new investigation due to new evidence), or something that can not be swept under the carpet. I like to see a large number of people go "wtf?"
    @apokalypse & @Mandala : I know exactly what you're talking about.. same here..
    and you'll probably be surprised (or not) that there are actually quite a LOT of even "NON-believers"/skeptics/scoffers of these whole "2012" things that actually DO wish the same thing! .. Just read on this famous AboveTopSecret forum's one particular thread here ! : http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread904514/pg1
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    Quote Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
    Too many people are trying to squeeze the data into their theories, you know, like square pegs into round holes kind of things...

    Just an example, that so-called alignment... when one draws a line between two points, well they are always aligned and therefore it's impossible to set a date to an alignment that's always there!

    Here is a video that explains that the three point alignment galactic center-sun-earth occurs every year -- no fail! -- and explains why the Mayan settled for 2012 for the end of their clock... simply because it symbolizes a triple simultaneous RE_BIRTH!
    @Amzer Zo : so , are you saying that in the end, the whole "line up" thing of the Galactic alignment is being entirely made-up by the Mayans? as in like "connecting the line" (ie: making the line connection), where there is actually supposed to be NO LINE at all? ... what do we call this: the power of human's "connecting-the-dots" or deduction skill , that's often could be and DID often being misused by people??


    [...]
    The Mayan didn't imply nor infer anything about their "New (Galactic) Year," only "Westerners" did and ran with that ball as far as they could profit from it...

    Here is what Thomas Razzeto writes on is website(http://www.infinitelymystical.com/es...cked-2012.html):

    Quote The “Galactic Alignment” of John Major Jenkins and “Era-2012”

    It is very important for me to point out that in the mid-1990s, John Major Jenkins became the first person to link the restart date of the Maya calendar to an astronomical event driven by precession and he refers to this event as the “galactic alignment.” John is well aware of the Maya’s metaphor of the dark rift as the birth canal and he clearly sees the sun’s presence in the dark rift as a rebirth. But there is something astronomers call the galactic equator that is very near the middle of the dark rift and this is what John focused on, perhaps because its exact location is precisely defined by astronomers. Professional astronomers have verified that at the precise moment of the winter solstice, the center of the disk of the sun was closest to the galactic equator in 1998. John noticed that this lineup of the earth, the sun and the galactic equator would occur repeatedly in the years around 1998 with only slight variation from one year to the next. Because of this, John decided to pick a range of 36 years that he centered around 1998 and he refers to these years as the “alignment zone” or “era-2012.” During these years, the disk of the sun, as seen from earth, will be touching the galactic equator at the moment of the winter solstice. John's zone goes from 1980 to 2016 and it obvious includes 2012. In his view, this zone is the intended target of the Maya calendar.

    I have tremendous respect for John personally and I like much of his work. While he most certainly discovered how the calendar is linked to the astronomy, I do not find this zone approach to be very satisfying. When I first read John's work in 2008, I seriously doubted that the Maya missed their intended target by 14 years, even though that is still a very small error. With so much precision being demonstrated by the creators of the calendar, it just seemed unlikely that they missed the year they wanted and yet they still hit the solstice exactly. I felt there must be something special about the exact day of the winter solstice of 2012; both the day and the year are the focus. This is why I went further with my own original research and thinking and I came to the conclusion that both the triple rebirth of the sun and the unique configuration of the sacred tree flying through the sky over the Maya was the target of the calendar. John's approach leads to 1998; my approach leads to 2012. (For more details, see: 2012: Why the Galactic Alignment Is Not It.)

    Both the restart date and the place where the calendar was created are important. We cannot ignore that this is a Maya calendar, not a global calendar. The people in the southern hemisphere will have a summer solstice, not a winter solstice so the triple rebirth metaphor will not exist for them since the summer solstice is not thought of as a rebirth. But this was not a problem for the Maya since the Maya lived in the northern hemisphere were only concerned with what they will see from their point of view.

    My approach focuses on the center of the dark rift, not the galactic equator, although again, these two things are very close to each other. But more importantly, my view focuses on what will happen on that day over the Maya, not what will happen over a long period of time for people all around the world. Also, please consider the fact that no one can ever look up into the sky and see the galactic equator for it is as invisible as the equator of the earth. Both equators are precisely located by scientists yet both are just imaginary lines. It is important to note that the Maya could look up into the sky without a telescope and frequently see the stunning center region of the Milky Way with the dark rift and this makes this astronomy useful for their metaphorical folklore. And it is also important to note that before dawn and after sunset, they will be able to see significant parts of the sacred tree on that special day in 2012. I think that what the Maya could see with their eyes is an essential point in understanding 2012. The idea that the Maya restart their calendar because of the combination of the triple rebirth of the sun and this special configuration of the sacred tree is to the best of my knowledge, original with me. While other people are aware of the solar rebirths and the sacred tree in general, to my knowledge no one has connected them to 2012 like I have.
    Hence, as you may be able to realize, the said alignment, for the Northern Hemisphere, has occurred every year around the winter solstice since the late 1970s...

    Quote and with that said, also, what always have sort of ticked me off is:
    isn't the whole 21 December 2012 could just be, in actuality:

    1) a pretty sequence of numbers? eg: 21.12.2012 , just sort of like 344334334 , 88088808, 777, etc ??

    2) and consequently, just a MADE-UP thing by some people (eg: scammers, hoaxers, or basically, people who are sensationalists / looking for exciting sensations) , with our Gregorian calendar system, using those "ohh so pretty" sequence of numbers like 21.12.2012 ??

    if either one is true, that would be bad, and pretty irresponsible things to do, by people/humans... !

    So, yes, a pretty sequence of number being played into people's imagination while connecting unconnectable dots as well as not letting a good opportunity for profit go by

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    Quote Posted by Carmen (here)
    "Doubters" usually negate the subtle change of consciousness of the "Presence"of the present moment. Their minds are too full with "doubting" Change has been going on for quite some time now and will continue to. Change of weather, changes in environment, changes in consciousness. But, if we are not "present" it just flies right over our head!!
    Yes there is a difference between questioning and doubting. It seems like present times have been characterized as an epidemic of doubting everything, or at least those ideas/opinions deemed too radical and contrary to the status quo. Being a compulsive doubter is not healthy for you or anybody. Most definately question things and once you are satisfied in your research, accept something as truth until a higher understanding comes along and be free to drop that truth for a new truth!
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    Everyone knows that building multimillion ton pyramids ~30,000 years ago in Giza, to trap and sustain energy that only comes in 26,000 year intervals, the next of which - all indications point to as "the 21st" is all an elaborate 50,000 year old hoax that the stupid cave man ancients wanted to play on future man. I mean ... who wouldn't, when it was so easy for them to do?? <note the massive sarcasm>

    Imagine if our governments got together and wanted to spend $100 trillion dollars on a "hoax" to trick future people 30,000 years in the future to make them think something was happening when it really wasn't ... That makes perfect sense, right?


    More than half the world will not be ready -- and for them "nothing" is what will happen .....

    Mind you thoughts and your energies on that day and the two subsequent days ... can't hurt now can it?
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    Quote Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
    Quote Posted by niki (here)
    Quote Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
    Too many people are trying to squeeze the data into their theories, you know, like square pegs into round holes kind of things...

    Just an example, that so-called alignment... when one draws a line between two points, well they are always aligned and therefore it's impossible to set a date to an alignment that's always there!

    Here is a video that explains that the three point alignment galactic center-sun-earth occurs every year -- no fail! -- and explains why the Mayan settled for 2012 for the end of their clock... simply because it symbolizes a triple simultaneous RE_BIRTH!
    @Amzer Zo : so , are you saying that in the end, the whole "line up" thing of the Galactic alignment is being entirely made-up by the Mayans? as in like "connecting the line" (ie: making the line connection), where there is actually supposed to be NO LINE at all? ... what do we call this: the power of human's "connecting-the-dots" or deduction skill , that's often could be and DID often being misused by people??


    [...]
    The Mayan didn't imply nor infer anything about their "New (Galactic) Year," only "Westerners" did and ran with that ball as far as they could profit from it...

    Here is what Thomas Razzeto writes on is website(http://www.infinitelymystical.com/es...cked-2012.html):

    Quote The “Galactic Alignment” of John Major Jenkins and “Era-2012”

    It is very important for me to point out that in the mid-1990s, John Major Jenkins became the first person to link the restart date of the Maya calendar to an astronomical event driven by precession and he refers to this event as the “galactic alignment.” John is well aware of the Maya’s metaphor of the dark rift as the birth canal and he clearly sees the sun’s presence in the dark rift as a rebirth. But there is something astronomers call the galactic equator that is very near the middle of the dark rift and this is what John focused on, perhaps because its exact location is precisely defined by astronomers. Professional astronomers have verified that at the precise moment of the winter solstice, the center of the disk of the sun was closest to the galactic equator in 1998. John noticed that this lineup of the earth, the sun and the galactic equator would occur repeatedly in the years around 1998 with only slight variation from one year to the next. Because of this, John decided to pick a range of 36 years that he centered around 1998 and he refers to these years as the “alignment zone” or “era-2012.” During these years, the disk of the sun, as seen from earth, will be touching the galactic equator at the moment of the winter solstice. John's zone goes from 1980 to 2016 and it obvious includes 2012. In his view, this zone is the intended target of the Maya calendar.

    I have tremendous respect for John personally and I like much of his work. While he most certainly discovered how the calendar is linked to the astronomy, I do not find this zone approach to be very satisfying. When I first read John's work in 2008, I seriously doubted that the Maya missed their intended target by 14 years, even though that is still a very small error. With so much precision being demonstrated by the creators of the calendar, it just seemed unlikely that they missed the year they wanted and yet they still hit the solstice exactly. I felt there must be something special about the exact day of the winter solstice of 2012; both the day and the year are the focus. This is why I went further with my own original research and thinking and I came to the conclusion that both the triple rebirth of the sun and the unique configuration of the sacred tree flying through the sky over the Maya was the target of the calendar. John's approach leads to 1998; my approach leads to 2012. (For more details, see: 2012: Why the Galactic Alignment Is Not It.)

    Both the restart date and the place where the calendar was created are important. We cannot ignore that this is a Maya calendar, not a global calendar. The people in the southern hemisphere will have a summer solstice, not a winter solstice so the triple rebirth metaphor will not exist for them since the summer solstice is not thought of as a rebirth. But this was not a problem for the Maya since the Maya lived in the northern hemisphere were only concerned with what they will see from their point of view.

    My approach focuses on the center of the dark rift, not the galactic equator, although again, these two things are very close to each other. But more importantly, my view focuses on what will happen on that day over the Maya, not what will happen over a long period of time for people all around the world. Also, please consider the fact that no one can ever look up into the sky and see the galactic equator for it is as invisible as the equator of the earth. Both equators are precisely located by scientists yet both are just imaginary lines. It is important to note that the Maya could look up into the sky without a telescope and frequently see the stunning center region of the Milky Way with the dark rift and this makes this astronomy useful for their metaphorical folklore. And it is also important to note that before dawn and after sunset, they will be able to see significant parts of the sacred tree on that special day in 2012. I think that what the Maya could see with their eyes is an essential point in understanding 2012. The idea that the Maya restart their calendar because of the combination of the triple rebirth of the sun and this special configuration of the sacred tree is to the best of my knowledge, original with me. While other people are aware of the solar rebirths and the sacred tree in general, to my knowledge no one has connected them to 2012 like I have.
    Hence, as you may be able to realize, the said alignment, for the Northern Hemisphere, has occurred every year around the winter solstice since the late 1970s...

    Quote and with that said, also, what always have sort of ticked me off is:
    isn't the whole 21 December 2012 could just be, in actuality:

    1) a pretty sequence of numbers? eg: 21.12.2012 , just sort of like 344334334 , 88088808, 777, etc ??

    2) and consequently, just a MADE-UP thing by some people (eg: scammers, hoaxers, or basically, people who are sensationalists / looking for exciting sensations) , with our Gregorian calendar system, using those "ohh so pretty" sequence of numbers like 21.12.2012 ??

    if either one is true, that would be bad, and pretty irresponsible things to do, by people/humans... !

    So, yes, a pretty sequence of number being played into people's imagination while connecting unconnectable dots as well as not letting a good opportunity for profit go by
    So yes, even though the Great Pyramid of Giza (Alan Alford), the Mayans, and ... hhhmmm someone else I can't recall ... all point significance to that date over tens of thousands of years ... the great "caveman" ancient hoaxers tricking us smart future people with fancy random string numbers ... Great Jokesters they were ... hahahah

    Without any doubt to anyone who has studied this seriously, the ancients saw some significance in this date and tried to tell us something. We didn't get it, so to keep our egos "happy" it is much easier to say that it's nothing more than a pretty sequence of numbers than "I don't know" ... isn't it?

    A similar 2160 year calender is encoded into ... the White House .. I think .. put there by the founding fathers as a part of the decorative sculpture. This calender seems to indicate the cycles between eras of activated pineal and eras of non pineal activation, and points to Dec 21st 2012 as the year of pineal activation ... the "fluoride programs" take on a whole new meaning when you consider this together .... That's all just a hoax too I think though ...

    Humans ...
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    Quote Posted by DeDukshyn (here)
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    So yes, even though the Great Pyramid of Giza (Alan Alford), the Mayans, and ... hhhmmm someone else I can't recall ... all point significance to that date over tens of thousands of years ... the great "caveman" ancient hoaxers tricking us smart future people with fancy random string numbers ... Great Jokesters they were ... hahahah

    [...]

    Humans ...
    Hi there,

    Do you think those already used the Gregorian Calendar?

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    Quote Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
    Quote Posted by DeDukshyn (here)
    [...]

    So yes, even though the Great Pyramid of Giza (Alan Alford), the Mayans, and ... hhhmmm someone else I can't recall ... all point significance to that date over tens of thousands of years ... the great "caveman" ancient hoaxers tricking us smart future people with fancy random string numbers ... Great Jokesters they were ... hahahah

    [...]

    Humans ...
    Hi there,

    Do you think those already used the Gregorian Calendar?
    Read Alan Alford's God's of a New Millennium. And no, lol, neither the very ancient Egyptians, nor the Hopi, nor the Maya used Gergorian calendars. But 2160 years and X days is the same in any language as it is a simple mathematical counting system based on absolutes of the movement of celestial bodies. It makes no difference.

    I too questioned the potential accuracy of this date converted to Gregorian ... but at the end of the day, a day is a day, a year is a year, a lunar cycle is a lunar cycle and a precession is 26,000 years (I can't recall the exact number of years so give or take a few), whether you speak in Mayan calendar language, Egyptian, or Pig Latin.

    There is no denying it. The ancients, who were far more advanced than us in many ways, have been trying to alert us to this date ... and we didn't get it (or rather ... we have been withheld from the truth).

    Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying what this date represents exactly, in fact it may be a generalization or a "midpoint" in which the exact date isn't all that significant, but it indicates something. To claim the Mayan's indication of this date, which is reflected in many other sources worldwide, is a "fancy looking string of numbers" so that is why million ton monuments were erected to hold this info (Giza Great Pyramid, as per Alan Alford is also a calendar besides its primary function), is so preposterous I'm a little surprised at your (or rather the indication you provided) thinking on this Amzer.

    Just my 2 cents
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    Quote Posted by DeDukshyn (here)
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    ... I'm not saying what this date represents exactly, in fact it may be a generalization or a "midpoint" in which the exact date isn't all that significant, but it indicates something.

    [..]
    ...

    QED


    Quote 2) and consequently, just a MADE-UP thing by some people (eg: scammers, hoaxers, or basically, people who are sensationalists / looking for exciting sensations) , with our Gregorian calendar system, using those "ohh so pretty" sequence of numbers like 21.12.2012 ??
    ... is a pretty sequence of number in the Gregorian Calendar that has nothing to do with a cosmic calendar used by the ancients and, so far, I have only found Thomas Razzeto to provide a rational explanation as to why the Mayans settled for a Winter Solstice of a specific, particular year.

    However scammers certainly took, and are taking, advantage of that sequence of pretty numbers.

    As for the precession of the Equinoxes and Egypt:


    Quote Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
    [...]




    Quote Mr. Homann concludes below that:

    "These observations clearly indicate that the so-called 'precession of the earth' is NOT a scientific fact, and that the Sirius system has a noticeable gravitational influence on our solar system."


    INTERPRETATION OF THE DATA:
    Significant time deviations in earth's period of rotation, as measured with respect to Sirius have occurred over certain months (e.g. in the spring of 1989, when Sirius A, Sirius B and the sun were in direct conjunction). Some minor, but nevertheless distinct deviations appear at regular yearly intervals (usually around March). Since these deviations occur annually, the gravitational influence of the moon or perturbations caused by other planets in the solar system can be excluded. Since such deviations from mean sidereal time CANNOT be caused by an increase or decrease in the speed of earth's rotation, I suspect a combined 'gravitational' effect of the sun and the Sirius system on the earth's axis of rotation. In my article "Some more thoughts on gravitation" I have tried to describe how the Sirius system might be responsible for a 'curvature in space' that can reach as far as to our solar system. As we know, the revolution of Sirius B and Sirius A around their common center of gravity over a period of about 49 years proceeds in an almost vertical plane relative to the planetary plane of our solar system. This motion could cause a periodic fluctuation in the curvature of space, similar to an ocean where a calm wind would create long-stretched waves. If a ship were to sail on such waves, its mast will gently swing back and forth. Likewise, during the earth's orbit around the sun the axis of the earth would 'oscillate' due to these periodic fluctuations of the space-curvature between sun and Sirius. Although the speed of earth's rotation remains unchanged (!), a positive or negative time-deviation from mean sidereal time can be measured, depending on the magnitude and direction of the oscillation of the axis, the sidereal point of reference and the latitude on earth from which the measurements are taken. As a matter of fact, the International Earth Rotation Service observes significant daily variations in earth's sidereal rotation period.



    It is also very important to remember that despite some major variations in earth's period of rotation, the mean time interval of the sidereal year or earth's complete orbit period basically remains constant.



    Even more surprising is the observation that the mean time interval of the sidereal year, as measured with respect to Sirius is nearly identical (by less than one second) to the time interval of the tropical year. According to the theory of 'precession', a yearly time difference of about 1223 s is supposed to occur between a sidereal year and the tropical year.



    The meridian transit measurements of Sirius have shown that neither a time difference of 6 × 1223 s, nor a difference of 6 × 3.34 s has occurred over the 6-year observation period from April 1994 to April 2000.



    These observations clearly indicate that the so-called 'precession of the earth' is NOT a scientific fact, and that the Sirius system has a noticeable gravitational influence on our solar system. Obviously, Newton's laws of gravitation cannot explain Einstein's universe. In that respect, it requires further study to see if the 49 year cycle of the Sirius system can provide us with an explanation of the large fluctuations and annual irregularities in earth's rate of rotation that have also been observed around 1941 by experts at the US Naval Observatory.



    Additional Comment:
    Two other phenomena should be mentioned that took place during the conjunction of Sirius A, Sirius B and the sun around the beginning of February to the end of March 1989, as the function of the time deviation entered from the negative into the positive range (see Graph 1). During this time our outermost planet Pluto, whose revolution period of 248.421 years is exactly 5.0004 to 1 in relation to the Sirius B - Sirius A's orbit period of 49.68 years, went through the perihelion of its very eccentric orbit. On 23 March 1989 an 800 m long 'rock' came in strikingly close proximity to our earth at a speed of about 70.000 km/h. Missing our earth by only a few hours - thereby sparing us a gigantic catastrophe - it also went through its perihelion between sun and Sirius. Thanks to astronomers, who discovered it as it already disappeared again into the vastness of space, a major widespread panic was avoided. These celestial phenomena are not subject to plain coincidence, but are lawful celestial mechanical events. In fact, the Sirius system determines the second (empty) focus point, which is essential for the elliptic orbits of these and other celestial bodies in our solar system. Keep in mind that even our earth has its perihelion around January 2, as it passes through the conjunction of sun and Sirius each year

    According to how records have been deciphered, Ancient Egyptians were VERY obsessed with Sirius. That was their chronometer/clock.
    Accordingly, what DOES generate a precession of the Equinoxes is that our solar systems belongs to, at least, a binary star system.


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    Quote Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
    Quote Posted by DeDukshyn (here)
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    ... I'm not saying what this date represents exactly, in fact it may be a generalization or a "midpoint" in which the exact date isn't all that significant, but it indicates something.

    [..]
    ...

    QED


    ... trim ...
    I don't buy Razetto's theory at all. EDIT: Or rather I think there is much more to the story ...

    Precession is not an "Earth" thing, it is a law of physics governed by standalone spinning bodies: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Precession

    So we should lose over 1200 seconds (20 minutes) each six years if precession is real? That doesn't fully compute, but maybe I misunderstood. But if true we lose 2 months of days somehow in 26,000 years? I'm not sure how any days would be lost since a day is a day regardless of axial tilt. If small measurements of time loss were expected due to tilt -- that time would have to be regained back before precession is complete.

    Interesting theories though for certain about "gravity" from Sirius affecting our precession, although there's a lot of extrapolation there, thanks for sharing.

    You should really check out that book I mentioned though, it makes some interesting considerations around the time periods of ancient earth and is something I think would pique your interest. It's not the be all answer book , but it makes some good considerations. And yes scammers will always be around at every perceived event or significant item of interest .. it is what they do.

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    What ever happens will be subtle....and spiritual. It will take "time" to unfold. But rest assured, the moment is real. But people expecting something elaborate and physical will not see anthing at all.

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    In my spiritual quest the first thing that I learned was that EVERYTHING IS AN ILLUSION...

    Nothing is "real" and we are all here to play a fun game of life.

    You have free will ....use it.

    If all else fails, try sitting in front of a white wall for a few days.

    Love to all....

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