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    Quote you better wake up
    If only you knew what I know
    But it is arrogant of anyone to believe they have nothing more to learn


    Quote instead of trying to ridicule the info i'm giving you
    I am not ridiculing, I made a joke about the order of the white elephant which was actually a provable fact, but other than that I ask relevant questions, I am actually trying to help you.

    I have always conceded it may be true, I just need to see evidence, you still have given me none. I apologize if you feel humiliated.

    By the way of course it is not the first time I have heard this info, I have been researching since the early 1990s. A word of advice don't believe everything you read on the internet and perhaps talk to some real people.

    Please don't feel offended by the words...please do understand that i had countless conversations like this where i had to explain it all over and over again , If was not sure about it i would not post it or i would add to it that i'm not sure about it !

    Your input is valued and a little discussion is never bad , but i got a bit fed up with it , excuse maybe i was getting a little tired.. me too i also still have to learn a lot , that's why i share what i DO know so that can be a basis to work on and that it might expand in the comment section , so that it gets a fairly good picture.

    I hope you can understand why i'm getting a little short here , i have to deal with various ridicules everyday (on You Tube) in everyway and the clock keeps ticking. The faster humanity will understand the truth the better , i know that it won't go any faster if i react in such short way's , it was my intuition and habit maybe ? . I also did not ment to hurt your ego

    Yes The Order of The Elephant , i just recently took a look at it , its a danish order and i'm pretty sure it had connections to the Teutonic Knights in the past and probably still today.

    I wanted to do a Thread on all The Knighthoods , but i think there are too many too treat em all , its a network of royalities and knights. All the Knighthoods are connected to The Vatican and also to Freemasonry
    I think it is great what you are doing, It is great to have a passion which you obviously do, but the devil is always in the detail, all I am doing is pointing out where I am not convinced. I think it helps to be aware of the counter arguments in order to build up a case.

    The order of the white elephant I was referring to is actually a Thai chivalric order. , William J Donovan did receive this honour amongst many others but I have seen no official mention of him being a knight of Malta.

    Go to the bottom of his Wikipedia page and you can see his many honours, you may be interested in those from the Vatican.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_J._Donovan
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    ... but other than that I ask relevant questions, I am actually trying to help you.
    Questions, and sharing one's own knowledge, both within a healthy dialog involving useful answers, is usually helpful, yes.

    However repeated demands ("need to see the evidence") on another, seemingly from a claimed ("been researching ... since the early 1990's") and assumed ("apologize if you feel humiliated") position of superiority, risk being distracting, unhelpful and arrogant.

    It is fine to ask others for more evidence, but accept that it is their choice what to say and when.

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    all I am doing is pointing out where I am not convinced
    You have made that point clear.
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    ... but other than that I ask relevant questions, I am actually trying to help you.
    Questions, and sharing one's own knowledge, both within a healthy dialog involving useful answers, is usually helpful, yes.

    However repeated demands ("need to see the evidence") on another, seemingly from a claimed ("been researching ... since the early 1990's") and assumed ("apologize if you feel humiliated") position of superiority, risk being distracting, unhelpful and arrogant.

    It is fine to ask others for more evidence, but accept that it is their choice what to say and when.

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    all I am doing is pointing out where I am not convinced
    You have made that point clear.

    You cannot claim something is provable without the proof. You can say it is my opinion or I believe but a claim was made that it was provable and it was not. I am sorry I just believe in certain academic standards

    To many people want to come across as they know the absolute truth and present opinion as fact, I never at any time told him he was wrong, he has since told me I was helpful.


    So Paul no mention of the 'you need to wake up', which was put to me before I answered with my experience. If that is not coming from a position of superiority I do not know what is.

    I don't care that he said that,we are fine, but I don't understand if you are talking about superiority why you would not mention that as well.

    Actually thinking about it my research began much earlier than the 90s, I spent 2 years in Israel, 1 year in Vienna , a year in Germany, a year in India. Years around the rest of Europe and the Arab middle east, arriving at all these places with no money and supporting myself. Should I not mention that just so as I don't come across as arrogant. Many others mention there experience, why can't I ?

    Edit: Just seen that the 'you need to wake up comment has now been removed from his post, so Paul may have missed that although I did put it in quotations before my answers











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    I am sorry I just believe in certain academic standards
    And I believe in certain standards of conduct on this forum.

    Enough said.
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    OK so back to the Knights of Malta, I actually spent some time there being a big fan of the art of caravaggio.

    Can kind of relate to this picture at the moment


    Interesting article also

    Quote Now an intriguing new theory has been put forward for the demise of the rabble-rousing Renaissance artist Caravaggio – that he was killed in cold blood on the orders of the Knights of Malta to avenge an attack on one of their members.

    The chivalric order, which was formed during the Crusades, hunted down the painter because he had seriously wounded a knight during a fight, according to Vincenzo Pacelli, an Italian historian and expert on Caravaggio.

    The death of Caravaggio, who earned notoriety during his lifetime for his quick temper and hell-raising ways, has long been shrouded in mystery.
    Some historians believe that he died of malaria in the Tuscan coastal town of Porto Ercole in 1610 and that he was buried there.
    But Prof Pacelli, of the University of Naples, has unearthed documents from the Vatican Secret Archives and from archives in Rome which suggest that the artist was instead murdered by the Knights of Malta, who then threw his body in the sea at Palo, near Civitavecchia north of Rome.

    If true, it was a violent end that Caravaggio himself foretold in one of his most famous works, David with the Head of Goliath (1610), in which he painted his own face onto the severed head of the slain giant.
    The "state-sponsored assassination" was carried out with the secret approval of the Vatican, Prof Pacelli claims in a forthcoming book, Caravaggio – Between Art and Science.

    "It was commissioned and organised by the Knights of Malta, with the tacit assent of the Roman Curia" – the governing body of the Holy See – because of the grave offence Caravaggio had caused by attacking a high-ranking knight, he said.
    The decision to dump the body at sea explained why there are no funeral or burial records recording Caravaggio's death.
    "Had he died at Porto Ercole, he would have been given a funeral, especially given the fact that his brother was a priest," Prof Pacelli said. "He would not just have been forgotten." Caravaggio, whose artistic genius was matched only by a supreme talent for creating enemies, was subjected to a violent attack in Naples in 1609 by unidentified assailants which left him disfigured.

    Prof Pacelli believes they were almost certainly assassins sent by the Knights of Malta, an order which was founded in the 11th century to protect Christians in the Holy Land and which subsequently established its headquarters on the Mediterranean island.
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/a...-of-Malta.html
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    Quote Posted by ghostrider (here)
    the entire continent of south america speaks spanish,.
    I studied Spanish for 6 months before going to Brazil...

    the week before hopping on the plane I was asked how fluent I was in Portuguese... Say What?

    not knowing what anyone was saying, did help in building psychic communications skills...

    and for working with others, I became a champion of charades...

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    the only accomplishment the Bavarian Illuminati had was strong beer...


    my only worry about them is not enough production... More Barley!!!


    crank up the rain clouds, give them a bumper crop...

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    The Knights of Malta are the Vatican's army answering to the Pope...


    so what would you say to the one the Pope answers to?
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    Quote Please know this and then do the math. I'm going to give you facts and they are all provable
    You just gave me a list of names that is not proof that is a list!


    I accept it as a possibility, I will not do the maths untill I see more evidence, not claims with no evidence made by conspiracy web sites.

    Bilderberg I believe, Skull and Bones I believe- many have confirmed their membership, I believe the Masons have an agenda- many powerful people have confirmed their membership, which could be interpreted as a conspiracy, The Catholic church have their agenda, another conspiracy. In the East there are further groups and organisations with an agenda, a conspiracy. Sometimes these groups work together some times they don't. Many conspiracies tripping over other conspiracies ultimately leading to well the mess that we live in today.
    No , the fact of the matter is that all these organizations work all together at the top , yes they all have their purpose and their jobs to do for the interest of The Jesuits.

    Did you knew that The Bilderberg group was founded by a Jesuit / Knight of Malta Joseph Retinger? well that's the truth together with SMOM Prince Bernard , i can not proof everything directly , you will have to trust me in this as i have spend much time between certain very good researchers , and they tried to tell me , but i was just as stubborn and overlooked their advice , until i came to the point that i got stuck and then i did some research on what they said and it made all the dots connect right away. So i learned to trust these people to a certain degree since everytime i checked out what they told seem to be true.
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    Quote Posted by Dorjezigzag (here)
    Quote Posted by WeAreONEbigFamily (here)
    Quote Posted by Dorjezigzag (here)
    Quote you better wake up
    If only you knew what I know
    But it is arrogant of anyone to believe they have nothing more to learn


    Quote instead of trying to ridicule the info i'm giving you
    I am not ridiculing, I made a joke about the order of the white elephant which was actually a provable fact, but other than that I ask relevant questions, I am actually trying to help you.

    I have always conceded it may be true, I just need to see evidence, you still have given me none. I apologize if you feel humiliated.

    By the way of course it is not the first time I have heard this info, I have been researching since the early 1990s. A word of advice don't believe everything you read on the internet and perhaps talk to some real people.

    Please don't feel offended by the words...please do understand that i had countless conversations like this where i had to explain it all over and over again , If was not sure about it i would not post it or i would add to it that i'm not sure about it !

    Your input is valued and a little discussion is never bad , but i got a bit fed up with it , excuse maybe i was getting a little tired.. me too i also still have to learn a lot , that's why i share what i DO know so that can be a basis to work on and that it might expand in the comment section , so that it gets a fairly good picture.

    I hope you can understand why i'm getting a little short here , i have to deal with various ridicules everyday (on You Tube) in everyway and the clock keeps ticking. The faster humanity will understand the truth the better , i know that it won't go any faster if i react in such short way's , it was my intuition and habit maybe ? . I also did not ment to hurt your ego

    Yes The Order of The Elephant , i just recently took a look at it , its a danish order and i'm pretty sure it had connections to the Teutonic Knights in the past and probably still today.

    I wanted to do a Thread on all The Knighthoods , but i think there are too many too treat em all , its a network of royalities and knights. All the Knighthoods are connected to The Vatican and also to Freemasonry
    I think it is great what you are doing, It is great to have a passion which you obviously do, but the devil is always in the detail, all I am doing is pointing out where I am not convinced. It think it helps to be aware of the counter arguments in order to build up a case.

    The order of the white elephant I was referring to is actually a Thai chivalric order. , William J Donovan did receive this honour amongst many others but I have seen no official mention of him being a knight of Malta.

    Go to the bottom of his Wikipedia page and you can see his many honours, you may be interested in those from the Vatican.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_J._Donovan
    I already know why we couldn't find him on the list , because he is called
    "Wild Bill" Donovan and is listed as Bill Donovan on the smom list not William.
    That William Donovan is a Knight of malta came from a very reliable source , no on wikipedia they are not going to tell us the top of world control even though its out there , because through their hegelian Dialectic agenda's they HAVE to play a bit open card otherwise everyone would go and question them

    Look at it this way , ALL the other CIA directors were Knights of malta , all of them , then he HAD to be one too. Still no real proof maybe we should try and hunt pictures on him , but he could've had the tactic to never wear the medal. Because this happens more often
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    Quote Posted by Dorjezigzag (here)
    OK so back to the Knights of Malta, I actually spent some time there being a big fan of the art of caravaggio.

    Can kind of relate to this picture at the moment


    Interesting article also

    Quote Now an intriguing new theory has been put forward for the demise of the rabble-rousing Renaissance artist Caravaggio – that he was killed in cold blood on the orders of the Knights of Malta to avenge an attack on one of their members.

    The chivalric order, which was formed during the Crusades, hunted down the painter because he had seriously wounded a knight during a fight, according to Vincenzo Pacelli, an Italian historian and expert on Caravaggio.

    The death of Caravaggio, who earned notoriety during his lifetime for his quick temper and hell-raising ways, has long been shrouded in mystery.
    Some historians believe that he died of malaria in the Tuscan coastal town of Porto Ercole in 1610 and that he was buried there.
    But Prof Pacelli, of the University of Naples, has unearthed documents from the Vatican Secret Archives and from archives in Rome which suggest that the artist was instead murdered by the Knights of Malta, who then threw his body in the sea at Palo, near Civitavecchia north of Rome.

    If true, it was a violent end that Caravaggio himself foretold in one of his most famous works, David with the Head of Goliath (1610), in which he painted his own face onto the severed head of the slain giant.
    The "state-sponsored assassination" was carried out with the secret approval of the Vatican, Prof Pacelli claims in a forthcoming book, Caravaggio – Between Art and Science.

    "It was commissioned and organised by the Knights of Malta, with the tacit assent of the Roman Curia" – the governing body of the Holy See – because of the grave offence Caravaggio had caused by attacking a high-ranking knight, he said.
    The decision to dump the body at sea explained why there are no funeral or burial records recording Caravaggio's death.
    "Had he died at Porto Ercole, he would have been given a funeral, especially given the fact that his brother was a priest," Prof Pacelli said. "He would not just have been forgotten." Caravaggio, whose artistic genius was matched only by a supreme talent for creating enemies, was subjected to a violent attack in Naples in 1609 by unidentified assailants which left him disfigured.

    Prof Pacelli believes they were almost certainly assassins sent by the Knights of Malta, an order which was founded in the 11th century to protect Christians in the Holy Land and which subsequently established its headquarters on the Mediterranean island.
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/a...-of-Malta.html
    I have seen this picture / Painting lately while i was doing some research , i believe to remember this was actually a scene that played under the Papal bloodline families. I can't remember which name.....

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    I am sorry I just believe in certain academic standards
    And I believe in certain standards of conduct on this forum.

    Enough said.
    Hey Paul ! is that a Dutch cow you have there for a picture ? Looks like it !

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    It is undeniable that there are some very rich powerful families that have close connections but there are so many different versions of the nature of the conspiracy I tend to conclude there is not just one unified conspiracy. Of course I may be wrong and I retain an open mind but in videos such as the one's presented all I see is circumstantial evidence.

    For instance the proof presented that Adam Weishaupt is part of a Jesuit conspiracy is because he attended a Jesuit school. That is like me saying that my ex girlfriend who attended a catholic girls school is part of a Catholic conspiracy, just because she attended that school. Of course as I said I have an open mind and he may well have been but I need to see more hard evidence than what is presented. I present this source that would seem to counter those claims.

    Quote Weishaupt would not have denied that he was brought up among the Jesuits, or that in his opposition to them he availed himself of the resources which he acquired through his connection with them. And he did form a secret Order at a time when, especially in the South of Germany, an open expression of free opinions would have endangered liberty, and perhaps life. That the end was good according to his first intention, and that there was at all times, perhaps, a mixture of goodness in his motives, may reasonably be conceded. Many eminent men (Baron Knigge was one of the ablest) attached themselves to the Order. It has always been said that Maximilian, the first king of Bavaria, was favorable to it; nor does the history of his reign contradict the report. The Church, the courtiers, and the aristocracy were, however, too powerful for the conspirators. The society was broken up, a fierce persecution arose, and Weishaupt was happy in making his escape, and obtaining the protection of the learned Duke of Saxe-Gotha and the Duchess.
    http://www.bavarian-illuminati.info/...haupt-in-1804/

    I am Just going to throw this video in from an extremely intelligent man who I have enormous respect, Alan Moore, famous for his comic books such as v for vendetta, the watchmen, League of extrordinary gentlemen etc, etc. Here he talks about conspiracy.

    I have a lot of respect for Alan because he understands "things", but my nickname for him is Saruman.

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    Hey Paul ! is that a Dutch cow you have there for a picture ? Looks like it !
    I've no idea . Just something I found about five years ago, searching Google for cow images.
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    I am sorry I just believe in certain academic standards
    And I believe in certain standards of conduct on this forum.

    Enough said.
    Yes, it is difficult for us to 'beonebigfamily', when someone thinks they have to be some unified form of head that drives it all.

    the problem with humanity is exactly that sort of thing.

    Presumptuousness, in form and in communication --- and the response of others, with regard to letting others drive for them.

    Both situations (as a pair of mental bookends) turn thinking and reasonable people away.
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    I am sorry I just believe in certain academic standards
    And I believe in certain standards of conduct on this forum.

    Enough said.
    Yes, it is difficult for us to 'beonebigfamily', when someone thinks they have to be some unified form of head that drives it all.

    the problem with humanity is exactly that sort of thing.

    Presumptuousness, in form and in communication --- and the response of others, with regard to letting others drive for them.

    Both situations (as a pair of mental bookends) turn thinking and reasonable people away.
    what do you mean by this , i don't really understand what you are saying here...i think your wrong to think that nothing will change , because today they do everything secretly and we need transparantcy , no more lies then social control will alway's dominate which is good ! Isn't that what democracy is all about ?
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    I am sorry I just believe in certain academic standards
    And I believe in certain standards of conduct on this forum.

    Enough said.
    Yes, it is difficult for us to 'beonebigfamily', when someone thinks they have to be some unified form of head that drives it all.

    the problem with humanity is exactly that sort of thing.

    Presumptuousness, in form and in communication --- and the response of others, with regard to letting others drive for them.

    Both situations (as a pair of mental bookends) turn thinking and reasonable people away.
    what do you mean by this , i don't really understand what you are saying here...i think your wrong to think that nothing will change , because today they do everything secretly and we need transparantcy , no more lies then social control will alway's dominate which is good ! Isn't that what democracy is all about ?
    Democracy is not delivered through the barrel of an opinion.

    You have 6 threads, started by you, that are on the opening page of this forum. All of them are being 'pushed to the top' -- by you.

    Contributing and sharing has nothing to do with being overbearing and annoying.

    And such behavior means that you will turn more people away, than you bring to the table. And, at the same time...... you damage the forum.
    Interdimensional Civil Servant

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    Paul has a Canadian Cow that Dutch have reimported. The Holstein (sound like a cow with a Jewish name) lol In fact, they were originally Dutch, have been sent in America and rebred more than 100 years ago with other races to produce more milk and sent back to Europe and all over the world in sperm containers, Starbuck bull from St-Hyacinthe being the father of most probably millions of them.

    Looks like an ET story for cows doesn't it!

    Carmody is right about bumping oneself without real good reasons.

    Thanks Modwiz for that video. Certainly another "son de cloche" - version of things.
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    Quote Posted by modwiz (here)
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    It is undeniable that there are some very rich powerful families that have close connections but there are so many different versions of the nature of the conspiracy I tend to conclude there is not just one unified conspiracy. Of course I may be wrong and I retain an open mind but in videos such as the one's presented all I see is circumstantial evidence.

    For instance the proof presented that Adam Weishaupt is part of a Jesuit conspiracy is because he attended a Jesuit school. That is like me saying that my ex girlfriend who attended a catholic girls school is part of a Catholic conspiracy, just because she attended that school. Of course as I said I have an open mind and he may well have been but I need to see more hard evidence than what is presented. I present this source that would seem to counter those claims.

    Quote Weishaupt would not have denied that he was brought up among the Jesuits, or that in his opposition to them he availed himself of the resources which he acquired through his connection with them. And he did form a secret Order at a time when, especially in the South of Germany, an open expression of free opinions would have endangered liberty, and perhaps life. That the end was good according to his first intention, and that there was at all times, perhaps, a mixture of goodness in his motives, may reasonably be conceded. Many eminent men (Baron Knigge was one of the ablest) attached themselves to the Order. It has always been said that Maximilian, the first king of Bavaria, was favorable to it; nor does the history of his reign contradict the report. The Church, the courtiers, and the aristocracy were, however, too powerful for the conspirators. The society was broken up, a fierce persecution arose, and Weishaupt was happy in making his escape, and obtaining the protection of the learned Duke of Saxe-Gotha and the Duchess.
    http://www.bavarian-illuminati.info/...haupt-in-1804/

    I am Just going to throw this video in from an extremely intelligent man who I have enormous respect, Alan Moore, famous for his comic books such as v for vendetta, the watchmen, League of extrordinary gentlemen etc, etc. Here he talks about conspiracy.

    I have a lot of respect for Alan because he understands "things", but my nickname for him is Saruman.
    That was funny, he certainly does look like him, but in character I think he is more like Gandalf , doing his own thing, standing up to the mega corporations and governments.

    Actually I have noticed there is a debate amongst his fans whether is he Gandalf or Saruman. One thing is for sure he is a magician!
    “One does not become enlightened by imagining figures of light, but by making the darkness conscious. The latter procedure, however, is disagreeable and therefore not popular.” (Carl Jung)

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    Quote Posted by Carmody (here)
    Democracy is not delivered through the barrel of an opinion.

    You have 6 threads, started by you, that are on the opening page of this forum. All of them are being 'pushed to the top' -- by you.

    Contributing and sharing has nothing to do with being overbearing and annoying.

    And such behavior means that you will turn more people away, than you bring to the table. And, at the same time...... you damage the forum.
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    Carmody is right about bumping oneself without real good reasons.
    Well said, Carmody. Agreed, Flash.

    WeAreONEbigFamily -- Several forum members have suggested, in various tones respectful, clear, gentle or sharp, that (1) yes, we know of what you speak, and in many ways for the most part many of us have similar views on the topics you present, but that (2) the picture is bigger, more subtle, more complex, and more layered, and (3) for all our good, yours, ours and the forums, that you should ease off the urgent shouting, and spend more time listening with a gentle ear.

    This is not a bar room brawl you've joined, that will be settled in short order by who displays the biggest burst of strength and dominance. It's a complex symphony, being scored and learned as we play it, over the long haul. It is best not join such a symphony with a big brass horn played at fortissimo the first days of one's being there. You risk not hearing the music of Carmody's spheres, or the song of the bird in Flash's hand .

    I asked Dorjezigzag to back off, earlier on, as the tone of his response seemed too sharp to me, more likely to cause resistance in your noticing his message, than to clear things up. But I trust that his concerns were similar, and his motivations reasonable.

    I've not spoken much otherwise, but just watched, as others were responding better than I knew how to. They still are (responding better than I).
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    Quote Posted by Carmody (here)
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    I am sorry I just believe in certain academic standards
    And I believe in certain standards of conduct on this forum.

    Enough said.
    Yes, it is difficult for us to 'beonebigfamily', when someone thinks they have to be some unified form of head that drives it all.

    the problem with humanity is exactly that sort of thing.

    Presumptuousness, in form and in communication --- and the response of others, with regard to letting others drive for them.

    Both situations (as a pair of mental bookends) turn thinking and reasonable people away.
    what do you mean by this , i don't really understand what you are saying here...i think your wrong to think that nothing will change , because today they do everything secretly and we need transparantcy , no more lies then social control will alway's dominate which is good ! Isn't that what democracy is all about ?
    Democracy is not delivered through the barrel of an opinion.

    You have 6 threads, started by you, that are on the opening page of this forum. All of them are being 'pushed to the top' -- by you.

    Contributing and sharing has nothing to do with being overbearing and annoying.

    And such behavior means that you will turn more people away, than you bring to the table. And, at the same time...... you damage the forum.
    You know what is damaging this forum missy , all this new age crap that has been designed by The Jesuits (Pierre Teilhart de Chardin) , and this Alien / Entity crap which is also an agenda of The jesuits , you better prepare to get rid of everything you believed in , because its that serious.
    This whole channeling thing is enorm dangerous because your connecting yourself to entities that you don't even know.
    The DEVIL can apprear in many forms also as LUCIFER the LIGHT BEARER and all this light worker crap and Star Child propaganda is ALL New Age and merged into The United Nations and Lucis Trust , why do you think they have a Meditation room in the UN ? all the threads are going to be under one blog and after that i'm going to expose the whole new Age Movement , you can bet your bottom on it.

    New Age is a danger to this forum and the people that come around here , will be dragged into these major deceptions . And i don't care who ever agrees with me or not , you can read my threads or not i don't care , i will release the truth as good as i can and after that , its your own responsibility.
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    Sorry folks, but I'm compelled to invoke the "Mr. Trololo Protocal". Remember when...?


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