Horus-Ra as the Archontic Alien Parasite: A follow-up interview with Maarit

[Freed Fox]

Posted by Vivek (here)

Now, imagine the subconscious mind and archetypes. A long time ago, if indeed humans did have something like a bicameral mind, it would have been beneficial to the planet. Our storehouse of archetypes would have been there to help us help Gaia, helping us fulfill our role, maintaining harmony. Imagine if our own brain lost it's connection with one of it's important organs, or if it's communication was severely diminished or distorted. The harmony of the body would no longer be in full effect. The organ may still go on functioning, but not as intended ... this would most likely end up having negative consequences for the body.

Fascinating stuff, Vivek. I see the current human condition in a very similar light, though admittedly I did not make the connection with the loss of a bicameral mind. I think it is most evident when you look at satellite images of densely populated areas. Cities look very much like necrosis (tissue death), or perhaps even cancer. When you take deforestation into account (particularly in the Amazon, i.e. Earth's lungs), along with the fact that the micro reflects the macro... it seems all the more troubling.

Don't get me wrong; I do believe in the intrinsic good of the human soul, but this parasitic/cancerous tendency is a problem that is all-too-often ignored.

[Jeffrey]

Posted by Freed Fox (here)

Posted by Vivek (here)

Now, imagine the subconscious mind and archetypes. A long time ago, if indeed humans did have something like a bicameral mind, it would have been beneficial to the planet. Our storehouse of archetypes would have been there to help us help Gaia, helping us fulfill our role, maintaining harmony. Imagine if our own brain lost it's connection with one of it's important organs, or if it's communication was severely diminished or distorted. The harmony of the body would no longer be in full effect. The organ may still go on functioning, but not as intended ... this would most likely end up having negative consequences for the body.

Fascinating stuff, Vivek. I see the current human condition in a very similar light, though admittedly I did not make the connection with the loss of a bicameral mind. I think it is most evident when you look at satellite images of densely populated areas. Cities look very much like necrosis (tissue death), or perhaps even cancer. When you take deforestation into account (particularly in the Amazon, i.e. Earth's lungs), along with the fact that the micro reflects the macro... it seems all the more troubling.

Don't get me wrong; I do believe in the intrinsic good of the human soul, but this parasitic/cancerous tendency is a problem that is all-too-often ignored.

It does! What ever is going on internally, at a collective level, could be manifesting itself outwardly.

Here is an excerpt from an PDF entitled, "Humans as cancer" --->

When a spot on a person's skin changes color, becomes tough or rough and elevated or ulcerated, bleeds, scales, scabs over and fails to heal, it's time to consult a doctor. For these are early signs of skin cancer.

As seen by astronauts and photographed from space by satellites, millions of manmade patterns on the land surface of Earth resemble nothing so much as the skin conditions of cancer patients. The transformation of the natural contours of the land into the geometric patterns of farm fields, the straightening of meandering rivers into canal-like channels, and the logging of forests into checkerboard clearcuts all have their counterparts in the loss of normal skin markings in cancer victims. Green forests logged into brown scrub and overgrazed grasslands bleached into white wasteland are among the changes in Earth's color. Highways, streets, parking lots and other paved surfaces have toughened Earth's surface, while cities have roughened it. Slag heaps and garbage dumps can be compared to raised skin lesions. Open-pit mines, quarries and bomb craters, including the 30 million left by US forces in Indochina, resemble skin ulcerations. Saline seeps in inappropriately irrigated farm fields look like scaly, festering sores. Signs of bleeding include the discharge of human sewage, factory effluents and acid mine drainage into adjacent waterways, and the erosion of topsoil from deforested hillsides to turn rivers, lakes and coastal waters yellow, brown and red. The red ring around much of Madagascar that is visible from space strikes some observers as a symptom that the island is bleeding to death.

If skin cancer were all that ailed Earth, the planet's eventual recovery would be less in doubt. For with the exception of malignant melanoma, skin cancer is usually curable. But the parallels between the way cancer progresses in the human body and humans' progressively malignant impact on Earth are more than skin-deep.

Consider:

Cancer cells proliferate rapidly and uncontrollably in the body; humans continue to proliferate rapidly and uncontrollably in the world. Crowded cancer cells harden into tumors; humans crowd into cities. Cancer cells infiltrate and destroy adjacent normal tissues; urban sprawl devours open land. Malignant tumors shed cells that migrate to distant parts of the body and set up secondary tumors; humans have colonized just about every habitable part of the globe. Cancer cells lose their natural appearance and distinctive functions; humans homogenize diverse natural ecosystems into artificial monocultures. Malignant tumors excrete enzymes and other chemicals that adversely affect remote parts of the body; humans' motor vehicles, power plants, factories and farms emit toxins that pollute environments far from the point of origin.

A cancerous tumor continues to grow even as its expropriation of nutrients and disruption of vital functions cause its host to waste away. Similarly, human societies undermine their own long-term viability by depleting and fouling the environment. With civilization as with cancer, initial success begets self-defeating excess.

It's easy to dismiss the link between cancer the disease in humans and humans as a disease on the planet as both preposterous and repulsive--or as a mere metaphor rather than the unifying hypothesis its leading proponent claims for it. Only a handful of limited-circulation periodicals, including this one (see Forencich 1992/93), have granted the concept a respectful hearing.

Accepting the humans-as-cancer concept comes easier if one also accepts the Gaia hypothesis that the planet functions as a single living organism. To be sure, the Earth is mostly inanimate. Its rocky, watery surface supports only a relatively thin layer of plants, animals and other living organisms. But so, too, is a mature tree mostly dead wood and bark, with only its thin cambium layer and its leaves, flowers and seeds actually alive. Yet the tree is a living organism. Earth behaves like a living organism to the extent that the chemical composition of its rocky crust, oceans and atmosphere has both supported and been influenced by the biological processes of living organisms over several billion years. These self-sustaining, self-regulating processes have kept the Earth's surface temperature, its concentrations of salt in the oceans and oxygen in the atmosphere, and other conditions favorable for life.

James Lovelock, who propounded the Gaia hypothesis in 1979, initially rejected humans' cancer-like impacts as a corollary, declaring flatly: "People are not in any way like a tumor" (Lovelock 1988, p. 177). But before long he modified this view, observing: "Humans on the Earth behave in some ways like a pathogenic micro-organism, or like the cells of a tumor or neoplasm" (Lovelock 1991,p. 153).

Others have stated the connection more strongly. "If you picture Earth and its inhabitants as a single self-sustaining organism, along the lines of the popular Gaia concept, then we humans might ourselves be seen as pathogenic," Jerold M. Lowenstein, professor of medicine at the University of California, San Francisco, has written. "We are infecting the planet, growing recklessly as cancer cells do, destroying Gaia's other specialized cells (that is, extinguishing other species), and poisoning our air supply....From a Gaian perspective... the main disease to be eliminated is us" (Lowenstein 1992). [Vivek: the disease could be in our very psyche]

Full PDF here: http://www.brontaylor.com/courses/pd...mansCancer.pdf

As above, so below. Microcosmic to macrocosmic -- fractally.

The following quote is from Wikipedia:

Since a holon is embedded in larger wholes, it is influenced by and influences these larger wholes. And since a holon also contains subsystems, or parts, it is similarly influenced by and influences these parts. Information flows bidirectionally between smaller and larger systems as well as rhizomatic contagion. When this bidirectionality of information flow and understanding of role is compromised, for whatever reason, the system begins to break down: wholes no longer recognize their dependence on their subsidiary parts, and parts no longer recognize the organizing authority of the wholes. Cancer may be understood as such a breakdown in the biological realm.

Source: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post598572

And this quote is from a post on the previous page:

A foreign energy comes in and disrupts our system, that is the stressing factor/selection pressure. Bicamerality could have connected us closer to Gaia at one point (acting more as a collective with nature and the planet in a harmonious sense) and that link was partially dependent on Gaia's virgin resonance (i.e. Shumann). This foreign energy comes in and hijacks it in a way, and gets us thrown off, we develop [new] complexes, archetypes, gods of old for these "invading energies" ... They begin to make us forget our spiritual heritage with the earth. We become more like a cancer to the earth than a helpful holon or keeper. The (mechanistic) immune response for Gaia would be to tweak the signal, sever the bicamerality of the mind to cut ties with the foreign invading energy. Sheldrakes theories provide the foundations for this to happen if we consider earth providing the "base frequency" [Shumann resonance]. A drastic measure, but it had to be done...

Link: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post599263

Now, here are various excerpts from an article by Rupert Sheldrake entitled, "Mind, Memory, and Archetype Morphic Resonance and the Collective Unconscious Psychological Perspectives" --->

All of us have been brought up on the idea that memories are stored in the brain; we use the word brain interchangeably with mind or memory. I am suggesting that the brain is more like a tuning system than a memory storage device. One of the main arguments for the localization of memory in the brain is the fact that certain kinds of brain damage can lead to loss of memory. If the brain is damaged in a car accident and someone loses memory, then the obvious assumption is that memory tissue must have been destroyed. But this is not necessarily so.

Consider the TV analogy again. If I damaged your TV set so that you were unable to receive certain channels, or if I made the TV set aphasic by destroying the part of it concerned with the production of sound so that you could still get the pictures but could not get the sound, this would not prove that the sound or the pictures were stored inside the TV set. It would merely show that I had affected the tuning system so you could not pick up the correct signal any longer. No more does memory loss due to brain damage prove that memory is stored inside the brain. In fact, most memory loss is temporary: amnesia following concussion, for example, is often temporary. This recovery of memory is very difficult to explain in terms of conventional theories: if the memories have been destroyed because the memory tissue has been destroyed, they ought not to come back again; yet they often do. [Vivek: think of the TV analogy in terms of "Gaia's virgin resonance" and bicamerality as well]

Jung thought of the collective unconscious as a collective memory, the collective memory of humanity. He thought that people would be more tuned into members of their own family and race and social and cultural group, but that nevertheless there would be a background resonance from all humanity: a pooled or averaged experience of basic things that all people experience (e.g., maternal behavior and various social patterns and structures of experience and thought). It would not be a memory from particular persons in the past so much as an average of the basic forms of memory structures; these are the archetypes. Jung's notion of the collective unconscious makes extremely good sense in the context of the general approach that I am putting forward. Morphic resonance theory would lead to a radical reaffirmation of Jung's concept of the collective unconscious.

It needs reaffirmation because the current mechanistic context of conventional biology, medicine, and psychology denies that there can be any such thing as the collective unconscious; the concept of a collective memory of a race or species has been excluded as even a theoretical possibility. You cannot have any inheritance of acquired characteristics according to conventional theory; you can only have an inheritance of genetic mutations. Under the premises of conventional biology, there would be no way that the experiences and myths of, for example, African tribes, would have any influence on the dreams of someone in Switzerland of non-African descent, which is the sort of thing Jung thought did happen. That is quite impossible from the conventional point of view, which is why most biologists and others within mainstream science do not take the idea of the collective unconscious seriously. It is considered a flaky, fringe idea that may have some poetic value as a kind of metaphor, but has no relevance to proper science because it is a completely untenable concept from the point of view of normal biology.

The approach I am putting forward is very similar to Jung's idea of the collective unconscious. The main difference is that Jung's idea was applied primarily to human experience and human collective memory. What I am suggesting is that a very similar principle operates throughout the entire universe, not just in human beings. If the kind of radical paradigm shift I am talking about goes on within biology-if the hypothesis of morphic resonance is even approximately correct-then Jung's idea of the collective unconscious would become a mainstream idea: Morphogenic fields and the concept of the collective unconscious would completely change the context of modern psychology.

Read the full article here: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post598173

There are many parallels between this topic and the motifs/themes in The Matrix Trilogy ... and much more to say I think.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=OxKYfTvZFb8

Lastly, I'd like to add this quote that I think pertains to post #2329 ...

It's from a book entitled, "Atom and Archetype: The Pauli/Jung Letters, 1932-1958."

Yes, Wolfgang Pauli and Carl Jung -- very cool.

The psyche…as a medium participates in both Spirit and
Matter. I am convinced that it (the psyche) is partly of a material
nature. The archetypes, for example, are Ideas (in the Platonic sense)
on the one hand, and yet are directly connected with physiological
processes on the other; and in cases of synchronicity they are
arrangers of physical circumstances, so that they can also be
regarded as a characteristic of Matter (as the feature which imbues it
with meaning). (pp. 100-01)

-Carl Jung

[Chester]

To Vivek - your mind is incredible... of course, I am measuring that against the only mind I can use to compare and that is my own. So besides my obvious envy at your clear capabilities, perhaps in part due to your youth but clearly also in part because you seem to have the key intuitive connections - dude, you rock. OK, enough accolades and setup - haha ... Before I have been able to wrap my head well enough around one tiny slice of the pie you present (your pie being everything I have read from you since I discovered you on Avalon and what you have yet to present) you throw more pieces of the pie on our plates.

OK so - realize I am a shadow of a clear minded, well educated being in large part due to massive frying of the brain along the way via alcohol and drugs... but one thing anyone should know about me by now is though I may be somewhat a wild animal that is capable of biting, I am an extremely loyal animal and my loyalty is to the truth, whatever that is and to all - including so called bad guys (perhaps a massive character flaw).

But your recent posts and my strange and inexplicable return to the central focus of this thread (something I tried to shove under the rug via the excuse "humanity doesn't want solution"), I went back and reviewed my understanding of Jayne's considerations about the bicameral mind and the thought crossed my "mind" - I have had conversations with one or more voices in my head since I was a teenager (as noted many times).

Could I be experiencing some form of "bicameralism?" If so, is it possible that an intelligence (even if it is artificial and even if it is nothing but reflections of an intelligence of the past) has the capacity to involve "itself" in our inner dialogue and that those of us who have (for whatever reason) a greater capacity to engage in this type of dynamic might also end up pretty freaking crazy (like I have - though I have it under pretty good control)... such as "archontic forces" at one or more levels of their being... where I confuse "me" talking to the other half of "me" with one or more "external voices" - like happened to me a year ago where a very clear and strong voice in my head told me I had to kill myself to save the world? There is zero chance that was my own, uninfluenced voice and the minute I removed the drugs and alcohol and emerged out of my depression, that voice is no longer consciously there.

Anyways - my heart is in the good place, that I want to be positive and live in right relationship with others, but I also have this insatiable drive to get to the root of perceived problems which is clearly a messianic complex trait and man... Just This Thread alone... if we (all of us - us in this sense I define as all of humanity (with all our branches / cousins so to speak), which includes the practitioners willing or not, the fringe participants, willing or not, the unwitting gatekeepers and wall creators / repairers... and of course what some here might see as victims, willing or not) - if we all could somehow say, hey... can we figure out some way to "get off the stuff" - to "stop drinking" (as another analogy) - where somehow the planet sobers up from any form of this type of actual activity - that perhaps somehow we could move into a brand new phase of or planetary pathway?

Why am I so freaking obsessed with this? I could have a simple and uneventful life. I could live out the rest of my waning days in peace... avoid the possibility I bring harm to loved ones or even myself (but ya'll know I am not so worried anymore about myself, I state my name in full many times, I have stated my location and we all know PTBs surely know who us potential trouble makers are... - even some Hinkley type or some Son of Sam type could find me and with an archontic push, end my days...).

But I can't seem to just "accept" as if this is all part of some "greater beings" divine plan (ala the Ascended Masters for example) and forgive me, but I am not into "saviors" or religion at all whatsoever... I pretty much resonate the most with Truman Cash's view (although I can see the soul as a component within the "Spirit complex" and Truman see Spirit and "soul" as one and the same (I can also understand his view)...

Apologies for the obviously rambly post, but here's why all the blabber above -

Knowledge is surely important if anyone is able to actually be truly helpful but there's no way any one of us can ever know enough, is there? But what we can decide is... is it acceptable that some within our planetary "human" family are involved in some significant way in SR H/A S and SRA and that some within our "human" family are involved in the "alien" abduction phenomena against their conscious will and that there may very well be a connection between both of these types of experiences and that anyone with a brain and/or a psychic connection to our collective experience knows there is zero acceptability to this? There is zero acceptability that there be some "divine" plan where this is all part of our karmic unwinding... I just can't reconcile it and maybe one day I can.

I was on a pink cloud (and I even said, "Folks... I may just be on a pink cloud") so at least I knew the possibility. Well, the cloud has gone and I am more dissatisfied than ever and perhaps now I will be entering a phase where I will cause the elimination of my own life because some "wackoholics" can't consider getting off the sauce, but I am going to explore solution... a global intervention where we, as non practitioners could... through understanding work together with those caught up in this multi-generational (indeed very possibly inherited from off-world distant ancestors) activity that chains the ankle of collective humanity to the depths of hell.

I am betting on the Michael Corleone possibility. That the God Father may wish that at least one of his sons have the opportunity to avoid having to become involved in the "family business." No, it did not work out for Michael but you could see that Michael carried through the same idea with regards to his son and daughter... and look at the synchronicities there - the daughter named Mary played by Sofia Coppola - and she became the unwitting victim at the end. I don't care how evil you are with the rare exception of someone like this Lanza guy (I also see him as a victim of the bigger picture, apologies) - I am certain all families have love for their own children at least and that even in the darkest of families, there lies the Vito Corleone / Michael Corleone dynamic - the wish that the child would not become involved in the dark side of the family business... same with Michael and Mary.

If somehow there could be a dialogue opened with some of these practitioners as to how, possibly, a solution might one day be achieved so we ALL could be free of the energies this occult practice clearly generates (which effects us all) - then maybe the entirety of the collective "we" could relegate this experience to history.

Why not? I mean it - why NOT? - Are the strongest within the human family too weak and too lacking in faith in who/what they are that they have 100% given up?

If the physical - 3D human family (including the purer hybrids which may not consider themselves "human" like you and me but still - appear to be human) - can just get to a complete understanding here about the whole matter - where the hidden information such as what some speculate to be in the Vatican Library for example (and surely there are other treasure troves of human history... maybe with even MORE knowledge than what is protected by the Catholic umbrella) - why not open it up?

Are we that screwed? That even the most knowledgeable ones who also likely have the most power don't see any hope for change? If that's the case, why do we even care to go on? What's the point? Clearly there's zero end of the day satisfaction in "immortality" when the experience is constantly surrounded by the most horrific of energies imaginable? You don't need to be Einstein to know that?

Anyways - pink cloud gone - there has to be some ability to generate a serious (and real... not some new agy love/light bs or "divine" plan managed by some clowns who have ascended this mess yet leave it all to the rest of us - something I just don't buy as acceptable at all whatsoever when I know there could be complete peace on earth today).

I know this - there could be TODAY - Peace On Earth. And I know TODAY that if we achieved Peace On Earth, we would certainly not be a threat to other civilizations unless the entire Universe was nothing but a farm for the "archons" perhaps.

OK, it is Monaday... Monad - interesting typo I decided to leave (a tribute to my Gnostic connections perhaps) - yes, I am still clearly "archontically" influenced but I will gladly die a million soul deaths before I ever accept lying to myself nor accept the unacceptable - I don't care WHOSE "god" thinks they decide for others what is not consented to - and having your living heart ripped out of you before your (and others) living eyes while some other living being devours it is something I would have a real, real hard time ever believing that it was consented to - part of some perverted divine plan? Bull****. justone

[Chester]

[Vivek: the disease could be in our very psyche]

and/or that somehow we have experienced that our psyche allowed itself to be influenced or perhaps violated in that we never gave consent to an external influence which, if we understood... we might be able to (individually) remove from our psyche... and if Houman is right, achieve the 100th monkey where soon enough this external influence could be eradicated OR at the very least contained where each and every Spirit being (at least associated with Earth today) could achieve sovereignty. Something that I want to believe is our actual, true divine right.

If we buy into this "we are the cancer" - we actually feed the very monster(s) behind the curtain. If "we" are the cancer, don't count me in (at least not anymore) as I won't play that game. Let's find solution now. Peace on Earth today, right now.

[Jeffrey]

Posted by justoneman (here)
But your recent posts and my strange and inexplicable return to the central focus of this thread (something I tried to shove under the rug via the excuse "humanity doesn't want solution"), I went back and reviewed my understanding of Jayne's considerations about the bicameral mind and the thought crossed my "mind" - I have had conversations with one or more voices in my head since I was a teenager (as noted many times).

Could I be experiencing some form of "bicameralism?" If so, is it possible that an intelligence (even if it is artificial and even if it is nothing but reflections of an intelligence of the past) has the capacity to involve "itself" in our inner dialogue and that those of us who have (for whatever reason) a greater capacity to engage in this type of dynamic might also end up pretty freaking crazy (like I have - though I have it under pretty good control)... such as "archontic forces" at one or more levels of their being... where I confuse "me" talking to the other half of "me" with one or more "external voices" - like happened to me a year ago where a very clear and strong voice in my head told me I had to kill myself to save the world? There is zero chance that was my own, uninfluenced voice and the minute I removed the drugs and alcohol and emerged out of my depression, that voice is no longer consciously there.

Firstly, I should state that I am no authority on the subject. I can't reiterate enough that I am only sharing ideas here (quilted from the patches of insight from other researchers). I don't know whether they are "right" or "wrong" -- but they seem to be corollary to the topic of this thread, which I keep coming back to as well (the last two thread's I started were because of this one).

Now, regarding Jaynes' hypothesis. Here is a relavent excerpt from Wikipedia in regards to the Bicameral Mind Theory and auditory hallucinations:

In ancient times, Jaynes noted, gods were generally much more numerous and much more anthropomorphic than in modern times, and speculates that this was because each bicameral person had their own "god" who reflected their own desires and experiences. He also noted that in ancient societies the corpses of the dead were often treated as though still alive (being seated, dressed and even fed) and argued that the dead bodies were presumed to be still living and the source of auditory hallucinations (see ancestor worship). This adaptation to the village communities of 100 individuals or more formed the core of religion. Unlike today's hallucinations, the voices of ancient times were structured by cultural norms to produce a seamlessly functioning society. In Ancient Greek culture there is often mention of the Logos, which is a very similar concept. It was a type of guiding voice that was heard as from a seemingly external source.

Jaynes inferred that these "voices" came from the right brain counterparts of the left brain language centres—specifically, the counterparts to Wernicke's area and Broca's area. These regions are somewhat dormant in the right brains of most modern humans, but Jaynes noted that some studies show that auditory hallucinations correspond to increased activity in these areas of the brain.

Even in modern times, Jaynes notes that there is no consensus as to the cause or origins of schizophrenia (the subject is still hotly debated). According to Jaynes, schizophrenia is simply a vestige of humanity's earlier state. Recent evidence shows that many schizophrenics don't just hear random voices but experience "command hallucinations" instructing their behavior or urging them to commit certain acts. As support for Jaynes's argument, these command hallucinations are little different from the commands from gods which feature so prominently in ancient stories. Indirect evidence supporting Jaynes's theory that hallucinations once played an important role in human mentality can be found in the recent book Muses, Madmen, and Prophets: Rethinking the History, Science, and Meaning of Auditory Hallucination by Daniel Smith.

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bicameralism_(psychology)

Here is a little thought experiment (and speculation)...

Okay, there are many species on this planet that operate under the blanket of a collective consciousness (i.e. bees, birds, dolphins, whales, ants, etc.). They are in harmony with the earth. Naturally, they do not over consume, war with each other, pollute, or murder. Now, a long time ago there comes a natural species of homo sapiens. There DNA is pure and home grown. There is a difference though between them and all of the other holons (i.e. species) on Gaia. They are highly intelligent and they have free will. There is a catch though. They have a psychological repository of archetypal templates in their minds. Archetypes of all the grandiose aspects of nature, and of Gaia herself. Not only would this be a logical survival mechanism, but it would also be a means for these humans to stay connected to their home. In this sense they were part of a collective. They were self-aware and had free-will, yet they were conscious of their role in the holoarchy that is Mother Earth. It was in their very make-up, instinctual. This archetypal repository (i.e. connection with nature) also helped to answer the inherent question that any intelligent, self-aware species has -- why? -- in a language they would accept, understand, and identify with.

This isn't to say that they wouldn't develop science and society. It just means that they would have begun there journey from the other side of the coin -- the Spirit. They may have grown in their understanding of matter and physics; but the harmony would have never been disrupted because of their instinctual connection with the planet. They might have taken to the stars, in search of other life and wonder, for no other reason other than to scratch a curious itch and gain more knowledge about the universe.

This didn't happen though. Science was approached from a secular standpoint. Humanity grew like a tumor, spreading like a cancer. Virulent. Most of the population isn't conscious of any connection with Gaia. At best, some are at least conscientious.

Why?

Considering the Shumann Resonance, morphogenetic fields, DNA acting as a transceiver, and the Gaia Hypothesis -- earth would never allow, nor develop a life form on this planet that would be detrimental to it's own survival. That's just nature -- it is intricate, yet simple and harmonious. So, something went awry ... but what?

Now, when we throw the Jaynes hypothesis, life in interstellar dust clouds, Jung, and memetics into the mix it makes for an interesting answer.

Our solar system is floating through a gigantic cloud of interstellar dust. These are two systems interacting with each other, there is an energetic exchange taking place between these two systems.

Posted by Vivek (here)

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=VV-NB9FkMnw

Here's an excerpt from wikipedia:

The Local Bubble is a cavity in the interstellar medium (ISM) in the Orion Arm of the Milky Way which contains the Local Interstellar Cloud and G-cloud (as well as others). It is at least 300 light years across and has a neutral hydrogen density of about 0.05 atoms per cubic centimetre, or approximately one tenth of the average for the ISM in the Milky Way (0.5 atoms/cc), and one sixth of the "Local Fluff", or Local Interstellar Cloud (0.3 atoms/cc). The hot diffuse gas in the Local Bubble emits X-rays.

The very sparse, hot gas of the Local Bubble is the result of supernovae that exploded within the past ten to twenty million years. It was once thought that the most likely candidate for the remains of this supernova was Geminga ("Gemini gamma-ray source"), a pulsar in the constellation Gemini. More recently, however, it has been suggested that multiple supernovae in subgroup B1 of the Pleiades moving group were more likely responsible.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Local_Bubble

See also: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Local_Interstellar_Cloud

Then there's this excerpt from NASA:

The solar system is passing through an interstellar cloud that physics says should not exist. In the Dec. 24th issue of Nature, a team of scientists reveal how NASA's Voyager spacecraft have solved the mystery.

"Using data from Voyager, we have discovered a strong magnetic field just outside the solar system," explains lead author Merav Opher, a NASA Heliophysics Guest Investigator from George Mason University. "This magnetic field holds the interstellar cloud together and solves the long-standing puzzle of how it can exist at all."

Full article: http://science.nasa.gov/science-news...23dec_voyager/

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=yUt6mRDV5hY

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=krDQFFkB84I

Also, here's some important links on Plasma Oscillations and Landau Damping:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Landau_damping

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plasma_oscillation

I elaborated more here about the energetic exchange between physical systems and their possibly correlating psychological counterparts (that was a mouthful).

Consider that the subtle realm of reality always has it's physical counterpart. Notably, this was observed by Jung and Pauli.

Lastly, I'd like to add this quote that I think pertains to post #2329 ...

It's from a book entitled, "Atom and Archetype: The Pauli/Jung Letters, 1932-1958."

Yes, Wolfgang Pauli and Carl Jung -- very cool.

The psyche…as a medium participates in both Spirit and
Matter. I am convinced that it (the psyche) is partly of a material
nature. The archetypes, for example, are Ideas (in the Platonic sense)
on the one hand, and yet are directly connected with physiological
processes on the other; and in cases of synchronicity they are
arrangers of physical circumstances, so that they can also be
regarded as a characteristic of Matter (as the feature which imbues it
with meaning). (pp. 100-01)

-Carl Jung

Remember in the Gnostic scriptures ...

From Wikipedia:

One Gnostic mythos describes the declination of aspects of the divine into human form. Sophia (Greek: Σοφια, lit. “wisdom”), the Demiurge’s mother a partial aspect of the divine Pleroma or “Fullness,” desired to create something apart from the divine totality, without the receipt of divine assent. In this act of separate creation, she gave birth to the monstrous Demiurge and, being ashamed of her deed, wrapped him in a cloud and created a throne for him to be within it. The Demiurge, isolated, did not behold his mother, nor anyone else, concluded that only he himself existed, being ignorant of the superior levels of reality.

The Demiurge, having received a portion of power from his mother, sets about a work of creation in unconscious imitation of the superior Pleromatic realm: He frames the seven heavens, as well as all material and animal things, according to forms furnished by his mother; working however blindly, and ignorant even of the existence of the mother who is the source of all his energy. He is blind to all that is spiritual, but he is king over the other two provinces. The word dēmiourgos properly describes his relation to the material; he is the father of that which is animal like himself.

Thus Sophia’s power becomes enclosed within the material forms of humanity, themselves entrapped within the material universe: the goal of Gnostic movements was typically the awakening of this spark, which permitted a return by the subject to the superior, non-material realities which were its primal source.

Read more: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demiurge

This is fascinating. Imagine the Demiurge being this natural form in space -- actual space.

The Demiurge is wrapped in a cloud. Interesting term -- reminds me of an interstellar dust cloud or even the local "cloud" of plasma that surrounds the earth right now.

Now, Sophia is Gaia and Her power to create lies within the resonance of the planet. Our own minds being a part of that creation, including this natural archetypal repository. A foreign energy, nearly inert in terms of consciousness (possibly pseudo-concsious as per the article about "alive" crystals and helices in space and EM fields somehow related to consciousness), leaks into our environment. At a subconscious level we identify it with a certain archetypal template. There it takes nest and broods. By the mechanisms of our own minds it develops and awakens to a perversely aware sense of being. Hijacking that source of creation doled out by Gaia/Sophia to Her homegrown humans. Now, Sophia has inadvertently created "something apart from the divine totality, without the receipt of divine assent."

The abomination expropriated a part of Sophia/Gaia's creative power by engaging our minds like a parasitic symbiont.

The Demiurge develops and "sets about a work of creation in unconscious imitation" ... Memetics, morphological resonance, collective unconscious, fractals, holons -- the foreign installation grows and replicates itself. He is "blind to all that is spiritual" and the reflection of this outwardly is humanity's cancer-like growth on the planet. Neglecting our Mother Earth.

He is "ignorant even of the existence of the mother who is the source of all of his energy."

Bicamerality is thereby broken in attempts to quarantine the abomination from our conscious thought and this isolates it in humanity's collective unconscious.

Humanity becomes trapped in materiality because the connection to the Spirit of the planet, to nature, was broken.

The Gnostic texts describe archontic forces casting their seed into the navel of the earth. Seeds grow (or possibly fester in this case). This could be a psychological, archetypal metaphor (for an invasive, foreign energy) or it could be a metaphor pertaining to panspermia (see also: this link). The implications of either are equally intriguing.

There are many correlations between what I am describing here and the themes/motifs throughout the Gnostic texts and elements of the Bible. Which means ... more research!

So, I'll wrap this up with a quote from Edgar Cayce. He stated:

"Religion came into being: a ritual of longing for lost memories."

I think maybe it was because there would be a point in the future where we would be able to understand the metaphors (if that is indeed what they are) utilizing tangible concepts gleaned from scientifically observable phenomena (... where science and spirituality meet).

I think a new door then opens for innovative solutions once the problem is fully recognized and understood in all of it's aspects.

End thought experiment.

ADD/UPDATE:

I picture humanity's past bicameral connection to Gaia as being similar in effect to how the Navi operated in harmony with their planet, Pandora (in James Cameron's movie, Avatar). There are some neat parallels in that movie as well.



Movie clip(s) to further the point ---> https://youtube.com/watch?v=TjBCu4N8bxQ

[eaglespirit]

This is fascinating. Imagine the Demiurge being this natural form in space -- actual space. Now, Sophia is Gaia and Her power to create lies within the resonance of the planet. Our own minds being a part of that creation, including this natural archetypal repository. A foreign energy, nearly innate (possibly pseudo-concsious as per the article about "alive" crystals and helices in space), leaks into our environment. At a subconscious level we identify it with a certain archetypal template. There it takes nest and broods. By the mechanisms of our own minds it develops and awakens to a perversely aware sense of being. Hijacking that source of creation doled out by Gaia/Sophia to her homegrown humans.

The Demiurge develops and "sets about a work of creation in unconscious imitation" ... Memetics, morphological resonance, collective unconscious. The foreign installation.

He is "ignorant even of the existence of the mother who is the source of all of his energy."

Bicamerality is thereby broken in attempts to quarantine the abomination from our conscious thought and this isolates it in humanities collective unconscious.

Humanity becomes trapped in materiality because the connection to the spirit of the planet, to nature, was broken.
.......


Thank You, Vivek, wonderful post : )

Time, as never before, to repair what is broken....and imho, each one of us has a tremendous amount of higher help to mend this profoundly and unanimously, just ask and act on it, now more than ever!!!

...
Chester..WE CAN DO THIS NOW...and I feel in my heart that we will get a limitless upgrade in direct connection of our own individual higher help as the Solstice evolves!!! All we have to do is keep listening and keep on keepin' on readily and steadily in the working of it all in front of us!

[Freed Fox]

Justone,

Reading through your (latest) post, I realize that there is little reassurance I can give. I felt your frustration, your sense of helplessness mixed with a deep empathy and desire to be a part of the solution (which itself seems impossibly out of reach, given the scope of our problems). However as I processed these things I realized there is at least one small consolation; you are not alone...especially since you are here. I would be hard pressed to find a better community for a man like you. There are like-minded individuals here, and only good can come from the sharing of our ideas, experiences, and research.

The other thing I felt as I read your words, was a descent into darkness. Although I have only read a fraction of your posts, I feel it's safe to say that you are more than capable of facing this darkness, and over-coming it. I understand the need for practical, apparent, and concrete solutions to our problems, which themselves remain ever so elusive... but I think that you of all people should also understand that there is more than merely the physical and material aspects at play here. I'm ashamed to admit that only a few years ago I would have dismissed your claims of internal dialogue with external entities as the ramblings of a madman. Now, I'm uncertain that such experiences are ever just 'hallucinations' as we take them to be (barring, perhaps, the effects of certain hallucinatory drugs...but even then...). I digress; you have overcome an entity which wanted you dead and even made a convincing case that it would be for the greater good. If you managed that, you must believe that you can manage anything (just don't get too discouraged if you cannot make your desires immediately manifest).

Vivek,

Thank you again for even more fascinating material... The connection between the Gnostic demiurge, the cosmic cloud we are traversing, and the parasitic growth in our own development is amazing. Despite having a limited knowledge of Gnosticism myself, what I have studied has always ringed with a certain truthfulness. I really need to do some further research of my own.

I admit to having lost some of my own intellectual hunger for more information, as I became more aware of disinformation and the processes which, throughout our history, have served to disguise or even bury the truth outright. King James and his bible come to mind. This is compounded with individual beliefs (which are furiously clung to and espoused by some) as well as the potential for interference by seemingly malevolent outside forces, a confluence to keep us heading in the wrong direction. I should learn to trust my own intuition more, perhaps, because I believe that once it's fully distinguished from our social programming and individual egos, it does not lie or misguide.

Speaking of voices, intuition, and the bicameral mind... Although I have had several experiences which I would classify as profoundly spiritual in nature, only one of these ever involved the disembodied voice of another. Indeed, it seemed to originate from an external place, but I am certain that it was not a case of mistaking something like a T.V./radio/other mundane source for the genuine article. It was a woman's voice; soft, beautiful, unfamiliar, and seemingly originating from right over my left shoulder.

She simply said, "Feel the cool of the wind on your back,". Strange, since I was indoors at the time with no windows open anywhere nearby. No dialogue resulted; it didn't even occur to me to reply. I simply closed my eyes and followed here advice and sure enough, there it was. Felt like a gentle, cool breeze all across my back and neck. I concentrated on this sensation and within seconds reached one of the most powerful meditative experiences I've ever had. I have yet to come to any greater meaning or significance to this event since (which occurred on the 18th of October, this year), but it was somewhat reaffirming to me. Perhaps it kept me on the right track. Perhaps I should try to imagine that 'wind' the next time I meditate...

Anyway, thanks for tolerating my less-than-useful post. Again I lament the deterioration of my own appreciation for scientific inquiry, but it seems that Vivek is balancing me out by bringing the data full force!

[Jeffrey]

Human beings are on a journey of awareness, which has been momentarily interrupted by extraneous forces. -Carlos Castaneda

Continuing from previous posts #2320, #2325, #2326, #2327, #2329, #2340, #2342, and #2345 ...

John Lash writes:

"In Gnostic cosmology, Archons are a species of inorganic beings that emerged in the solar system prior to the formation of the earth. They are cyborgs inhabiting the planetary system (exclusive of the earth, sun and moon), which is described as a virtual world (stereoma) they construct by imitating the geometric forms emanated from the Pleroma, the realm of the Generators, the Cosmic Gods."

"The Archons are a genuine species with their own proper habitat, and may even be considered to be god-like, but they lack intentionality (ennoia: self-directive capacity), and they have a nasty tendency to stray from their boundaries and intrude on the human realm. Archons are said to feel intense envy toward humanity because we possess the intentionality they lack."

"In the Gnostic view of human society, the Archons are alien forces that act through authoritarian systems, including belief-systems, in ways that cause human beings to turn against their innate potential and violate the symbiosis of nature."

Source: http://www.examiner.com/article/arch...ura-eisenhower

Now, grind that against the thought experiment in post #2345.

Here is another segment of that same article:

Exploring archons in his new book, Wetiko: The Greatest Epidemic Sickness Known to Humanity, psychologist Paul Levy writes, "When people are infected by the wetiko virus, Forbes writes, they are “the host for the wetiko parasites.” The wetiko germ is a psychic tapeworm, a parasite of the mind. Just like certain computer viruses or malware infect and program a computer to self-destruct, mind-viruses like wetiko can program the human bio-computer to think, believe and behave in ways that result in our self-destruction. Wetiko is a virulent, psychic pathogen that insinuates thought-forms into our mind which, when unconsciously en-acted, feed it, and ultimately kills its host (us). It doesn’t want to kill us too quickly however, for to successfully implement its agenda of reproducing and propagating itself throughout the field, it must let the host live long enough to spread the virus. If the host dies too soon, the bug would be prematurely evicted and would suffer the inconvenience of having to find a new residence.

Mr. Levy continues, "Like a cancer of the mind that metastasizes, in wetiko disease, a pathological part of the psyche co-opts and subsumes all of the healthy parts of the psyche into itself so as to serve its pathology. To quote Jung, “an unknown ‘something’ has taken possession of a smaller or greater portion of the psyche and asserts its hateful and harmful existence undeterred by all our insight, reason, and energy, thereby proclaiming the power of the unconscious over the conscious mind, the sovereign power of possession.” The personality then self-organizes an outer display of coherence around this pathogenic core, which ‘masks’ the inner dysfunction, making it hard to recognize. In a psychic coup d’etat, the wetiko bug can usurp and displace the person, who becomes its puppet and marionette. Like a parasite, the wetiko virus can take over the will of an animal more evolved than itself, enlisting that creature into serving its nefarious agenda. Once the parasite becomes sufficiently entrenched within the psyche, the prime directive coordinating a person’s behavior comes from the disease, as it is now the one calling the shots. Just as someone infected with the rabies virus will resist drinking water, which would flush out the infection, someone taken over by the wetiko parasite will have nothing to do with anything that will help them get rid of the disease. Wetikos are phobic towards the light of truth, which they avoid like the plague. In advanced stages, this process takes over the person so completely that we could rightfully say the person is no longer there; they are just an empty shell carrying the disease. In a sense there is just the disease, operating through what appears to be a human being. The person becomes fully identified with their mask, their persona, but it is as if there is no one behind the mask."

[Side note: This could also account for SRA ...]

Now, with that in mind, consider the following ...

-- Begin thought experiment --

Keep in mind that long ago this foreign energy (i.e. archontic force) physically met our planet, and we also engaged it psychologically. Our repository of anthropomorphic, archetypal gods then became infected -- an infection that began distorting our complexes and virulently replicating itself in our collective unconscious. We were placed in a fog, a veil if you will.

The fall.

Our psyche became infected at a basal level, our bicameral instincts (there to preserve harmony and promote understanding) were compromised.

Now, lets look at the physical brain a little closer. There are a few areas in particular that I'm interested in that are associated with our subconscious plinth and our instincts. Namely, the basal ganglia, the cerebellum, the brain stem, and the amygdala.

Here is an excerpt from http://www.buffalostate.edu/orgs/bcp...s/triune.html:

The reptilian complex, also known as the R-complex or "reptilian brain" was the name MacLean gave to the basal ganglia, structures derived from the floor of the forebrain during development. The term derives from the fact that comparative neuroanatomists once believed that the forebrains of reptiles and birds were dominated by these structures. MacLean proposed that the reptilian complex was responsible for species typical instinctual behaviors involved in aggression, dominance, territoriality, and ritual displays.

Source: http://www.buffalostate.edu/orgs/bcp...cs/triune.html

Here is another excerpt from Wikipedia:

Although the role of the basal ganglia in motor control is clear, there are also many indications that it is involved in the control of behavior in a more fundamental way, at the level of motivation. In Parkinson's disease, the ability to execute the components of movement is not greatly affected, but motivational factors such as hunger fail to cause movements to be initiated or switched at the proper times. The immobility of Parkinsonian patients has sometimes been described as a "paralysis of the will". These patients have occasionally been observed to show a phenomenon called kinesia paradoxica, in which a person who is otherwise immobile responds to an emergency in a coordinated and energetic way, then lapses back into immobility once the emergency has passed.

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basal_ganglia

Another excerpt from www.science.howstuffworks.com

Lower animals, such as fish, amphibians, reptiles and birds, don't do much "thinking," but instead concern themselves with the everyday business of gathering food, eating, drinking, sleeping, reproducing and defending themselves.

These are instinctual processes. Therefore, their brains are organized along the major centers that control these functions.

We humans perform these functions as well, and so have a "reptilian" brain built into us. That means we have the same parts of the brain found in reptiles, namely the brain stem and the cerebellum.

I'm thinking about what physiological area of the brain our natural, bicameral, psychological archetypes would be associated with.

This is the third time I've come back to this quote:

The psyche…as a medium participates in both Spirit and
Matter. I am convinced that it (the psyche) is partly of a material
nature. The archetypes, for example, are Ideas (in the Platonic sense)
on the one hand, and yet are directly connected with physiological
processes on the other; and in cases of synchronicity they are
arrangers of physical circumstances, so that they can also be
regarded as a characteristic of Matter (as the feature which imbues it
with meaning). (pp. 100-01 of Atoms and Archetypes: the Pauli/Jung Letters)

-Carl Jung

If the areas of our "reptilian" brain functioned as a main storehouse for instincts and archetypes, then wouldn't it follow to reason that any foreign seed that took root there would mature with reptilian characteristics?

Here is an excerpt from, The Human Brain, An Owners Manual:

Instinct is an impulse or powerful motivation from a subconscious source. For instance, if you were crossing the street and a car comes speeding towards you, you would try to jump out of the way before it even 'registers' with your conscious mind that a car is coming.

The part of your brain that is associated with these types of reactions is the amygdala. As you may know, different parts of the brain recieve different signals and make them consciously known. The auditory cortex, for example, is responsible for hearing. The amygdala has its own set of 'recievers' for sensory intake. In the aforementioned scenario, it will take in information from the surroundings, like the sight on the car coming at you, and make a decision on what to do before you consciously think about it.

While this response is very important for survival, it is very primitive. It's commonly called the fight or flight response, for obvious reasons. This response makes us "downshift" and use only our lower brain. That means we sometimes cannot think of a logical solution to a problem.

Source: http://library.thinkquest.org/C01148.../instinct.php3

Also, there is fear and the brain. Here is an excerpt from a PDF entitled, "The Emotional Brain, Fear, and the Amygdala" --->

However, with the accumulation of a great deal of empirical research, the amygdala has replaced the hypothalamus as the centerpiece of the subcortical networks involved in detecting and responding to threats. Thus, projections from the amygdala to the brainstem are involved in the expression of fear responses, and projections from the amygdala to the cortex are believed to contribute to the experience of fear and other cognitive aspects of emotional processing.

Still, it would be wrong to conclude that the field has not advanced since the early days. Clearly, we now know much more about how the fear system works. In addition to pinpointing the amygdala as a key structure in the processing of danger, much has been learned about how the amygdala accomplishes its job. The anatomical inputs to and outputs from the amygdala are understood in exquisite detail, as are the internal connections that mediate processing within the amygdala. Further, the nature of physiological encoding of fear situations by neurons within the amygdala is beginning to be understood as well.

Of the interactions of the amygdala with the "reptilian" brainstem (a possible instinctual repository of psychological archetypes, see also R-complex) some could be the physiological counterpart to the psychical notion of negative energy feeding on fear.

From, Authoritative Teaching:

In this very way we exist in this world, like fish. The adversary spies on us, lying in wait for us like a fisherman, wishing to seize us, rejoicing that he might swallow us. For he places many foods before our eyes (things) which belong to this world. He wishes to make us desire one of them and to taste only a little, so that he may seize us with his hidden poison and bring us out of freedom and take us into slavery. For whenever he catches us with a single food, it is indeed necessary for us to desire the rest. Finally, then, such things become the food of death.

Now these are the foods with which the devil lies in wait for us. First he injects a pain into your heart until you have heartache on account of a small thing of this life, and he seizes (you) with his poisons. And afterward (he injects) the desire of a tunic, so that you will pride yourself in it, and love of money, pride, vanity, envy that rivals another envy, beauty of body, fraudulence. The greatest of all these are ignorance and ease.

Now all such things the adversary prepares beautifully and spreads out before the body, wishing to make the mind of the soul incline her toward one of them and overwhelm her, like a hook, drawing her by force in ignorance, deceiving her until she conceives evil, and bears fruit of matter, and conducts herself in uncleanness, pursuing many desires, covetousnesses, while fleshly pleasure draws her in ignorance.

Source: http://gnosis.org/naghamm/autho.html

The psycho-spiritual parasite lies in it's reptilian nest eliciting emotional responses by organizing circumstances in the subconscious mind to foster it's "food" ...

Here is an excerpt from, Alien Dreaming: The Enigma of the Archons

The Hypostasis of the Archons describes a further development that follows the initial emergence of the foetal Archontic entities. In the passage cited here, I apply some concepts drawn from modern astronomy to develop a more vivid picture of events presumably observed by Gnostic seers in the cosmos at large:

A veil exists between the world above [in the galactic core], and the realms that are below [exterior, in the galactic limbs]; and shadow came into being beneath the veil. Some of the shadow [dark mass] became [atomic] matter, and was projected apart [partially formed into elementary arrays, the dema]. And what Sophia created [by her impact] became a product in the matter [the dema], [a neonate form] like an aborted fetus. And [once formed] it assumed a plastic shape molded out of shadow, and became an arrogant beast resembling a lion. It was androgynous, because it was from [neutral, inorganic] matter that it derived. (The Hypostasis of the Archons, II, 4, 93:30 ff, with my glosses in brackets.)

A close reading reveals a crucial detail: after the initial formation of the embryonic Archon types, a second variant of "shadow body" arises, with distinct characteristics of its own. The Hypostasis of the Archons describes it as "an arrogant beast resembling a lion," but this creature is also described (in another cosmological text, the Apocryphon of John 10: 5) as "a serpentine body (drakon) with a lion-like face." Thus there are two distinct types of Archons: a foetal or embryonic type, and a drakonic or reptilian type.

Source: http://www.metahistory.org/gnostique...enDreaming.php

From http://www.metahistory.org/gnostique...enDreaming.php

Fractal Visions

To the Coco de Mer icon we can now add a graphic variation to suggest how the Archons emerge from Sophia's Dreaming, like a leak from a placenta...

Sophia, situated in the center of the impact zone, sees around Her something like a sea of tensile waves, and riding the waves, or actually composing the waves they appear to ride, are self-repeating forms that resemble seashorses. These seahorses are similar to the forms that appear at high reiteration of the equation for the Mandelbrot Set. These forms correspond to the anatomical type spontaneously generated from formless atomic matter by Sophia's impact, a type called the "shadow body," haibes in Coptic.

The fractal formations described in the Gaia Mythos (Episodes 9 - 10) are actual physical phenomena that occur spontaneously when an Aeon (a mass-free, high-porosity current of stellar plasma) pours into the dense fields of elementary matter. At first these "fractal seahorses" seem to be inanimate structures, rigid and almost crystalline in nature, but by the very fact that Sophia beholds them, they become animated.

[Sidenote: "leak from a placenta" reminds me of NASA's findings of alien matter leaking into our solar system, the placenta being the heliosphere or earth's magnetosphere. Also, look at crystalline, helical structures in space forming inside inorganic, interstellar dust clouds.*]

Now, here is the human ("reptilian") brainstem.

Microcosm to macrocosm -- the intruder fractally mimics it's new domain as it develops.

And then there's this ...



Interesting.

Here are a few excerpts of interest from an article entitled, Fractal Brains, Fractal Thoughts:

Researchers from the University of Cambridge took a big step forward this year in understanding how our brains work. It seems that the brain has a fractal organization. This likely gives us much of what we consider human. And at a deeper level these findings may help to connect us in a very fundamental way to the rest of the natural world.

[...]

The study by Kitzbichler et al (2008) has added to much prior research suggesting that the brain exhibits fractal behavior. This makes a necessary link between the physical processes of the brain and each of the larger scale fractals we see in broader personality and social relationships. It is clear that biological, psychological and social dynamics are highly interlinked across scales, each impacting the other over time in myriad ways. With fractal organization at each of these scales, one may propose that they in some respects they are all part of the same fractal tree so to speak.

[...]

What I would prefer to speculate upon instead would be the broader implications. Indeed what these robust results within the brain suggest is a possible mechanism for the "Broadband Connectivity" we share with the rest of the natural world. Inasmuch as fractal dynamics in broadband synchronization exist at every scale of measurable reality - from quantum to cosmic, perhaps human consciousness is both simply and profoundly a portal through which such fractal connectivity flows. Perhaps the linkages that so effect our growth and integration at the biopsychosocial scales extend much deeper into the roots of matter, and much farther into the cosmos than modernist science has ever imagined. Science appears to be nearing a period of neo-vitalism, with scientifically grounded ways of exploring the attractive worldview of our root-civilizations - that everything in life is connected and that all of the universe is alive within these connections.

Full article here: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post544797

This post ties into the last several posts I've made on here.

I'm going to give my fingers a rest!

-- END --

* The following excerpts were taken from an article posted on www.astrobio.net

Could extraterrestrial life be made of corkscrew-shaped particles of interstellar dust? Intriguing new evidence of life-like structures that form from inorganic substances in space are revealed in the New Journal of Physics. The findings hint at the possibility that life beyond Earth may not necessarily use carbon-based molecules as its building blocks.

[...]

Now, an international team has discovered that under the right conditions, particles of inorganic dust can become organized into helical structures. These structures can then interact with each other in ways that are usually associated with organic compounds and life itself.

V.N. Tsytovich of the General Physics Institute, Russian Academy of Science, in Moscow, working with colleagues there and at the Max-Planck Institute for Extraterrestrial Physics in Garching, Germany and the University of Sydney, Australia, has studied the behavior of complex mixtures of inorganic materials in a plasma. Plasma is essentially the fourth state of matter beyond solid, liquid and gas, in which electrons are torn from atoms leaving behind a miasma of charged particles.

[...]

Quite bizarrely, not only do these helical strands interact in a counterintuitive way in which like can attract like, but they also undergo changes that are normally associated with biological molecules, such as DNA and proteins, say the researchers. They can, for instance, divide, or bifurcate, to form two copies of the original structure. These new structures can also interact to induce changes in their neighbours and they can even evolve into yet more structures as less stable ones break down, leaving behind only the fittest structures in the plasma.

So, could helical clusters formed from interstellar dust be somehow alive? "These complex, self-organized plasma structures exhibit all the necessary properties to qualify them as candidates for inorganic living matter," says Tsytovich, "they are autonomous, they reproduce and they evolve".

He adds that the plasma conditions needed to form these helical structures are common in outer space.

Read more here: Are Plasma Crystals Alive?

ADD/UPDATE:

Blend the content of this post with this one -- it makes for some great beard stroking.

[sms]

When I look into such atrocities like the school shootings in Connecticut, I just can not believe that such operations were carried out by human beings. We are more or less conditioned to rationalise killings of human beings under some particular conditions or circumstances, however, in reality, there is no an excuse.

And, we have to keep on mind that - “There is a third side in the conflict”, as W. Bramley stated in his book Gods of the Eden, referring to the “Custodians” (archons).

Normally, in any close shootings, killed to injured ratios would go ~ 1:3, however, those “lone nutters” are becoming stunningly "efficient" like highly trained combat shooter s. They mostly leave no injured victims (=no witnesses) behind. Professional jobs, one may say. Similarly, in 1997, Australians were disarmed after an intellectually impaired registered invalid with no training in the use of high powered assault weapons killed 35 people in a restaurant leaving no injured (witnesses) behind. (And, of course, after the disarmament, the number of Australians killed by fire arms has - increased).

Normal people can not do such killings. I have seen many mentally retarded and sick people, as well, and as crazy as they were, they did not have a tendency to go around hurting others, especially killing them. When one investigates a bit further, he would see that normal people hesitate to kill even in wars.

(…)In World War II and before, only 15 to 20 percent of soldiers fired their weapons at enemy soldiers in view, even if their own lives were endangered. Lt. Col. (Ret.) Grossman, a military historian, psychologist and teacher at West Point, builds upon the findings of Gen. S. L. A. Marshall in Men Against Fire (1978) and confirmatory evidence from Napoleonic, Civil and other wars. “Throughout history the majority of men on the battlefield would not attempt to kill the enemy, even to save their own lives.” (p. 4) This refusal is profound, surprising, and well-hidden. To Grossman this is welcome proof of our humanity. Not a pacifist, he trains soldiers to kill, but wants them to regain the inhibitions needed to function peacefully in society.

The compunction against killing occurs in close combat situations, including aerial dogfights where pilots can see each other. It does not prevail with killing at a distance by artillery or bombing from airplanes. Machine gun teams also boost the firing rate because individuals cannot simply pretend to fire or intentionally mis-aim. In aerial combat one percent of pilots made over thirty percent of kills; the majority of fighter pilots never shot down a plane, perhaps never tried to.

Grossman spent years researching the innate resistance to killing and efforts to overcome it by armies throughout history--previously a taboo topic. He tells of desensitization, operant conditioning, and psychotropic drugs that raised to 90 percent the proportion of U.S. troops who shot to kill in Vietnam. The high incidence of PTSD among our three million Vietnam veterans follows disinhibition compounded by unprecedented unit instability and rapid return home from the front. He also points to loss of support at home for the war.(…)

In the U.S. Civil War, well-trained soldiers fired over the enemy’s heads, or only pretended to fire. Of 27,000 muzzle-loading muskets recovered at Gettysburg, 90 percent were loaded, almost half with multiple loads! That could not be inadvertent. Further evidence was the low kill rate in face-to-face battles. (…)

A long section deals with psychiatric casualties. Despite the exclusion of 800,000 men on psychiatric grounds (4-F) in World War II, over half a million U.S. fighters suffered mental collapse. After two months of continuous combat, 98 percent of surviving troops suffered some psychopathology. The two percent who endured such combat with impunity appear to be “aggressive psychopaths.” (p. 50). (…)

(…)Post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD) reflects a failure to accept and rationalize acts of killing.

(…)About two percent of soldiers lack the killing inhibition; they score high on measures of “aggressive psychopath.”

On Killing: The Psychological Cost of Learning to Kill in War and Society; by Lt. Col. Dave Grossman; Review by E. James Lieberman, M.D LINK

And, who or what does kill the children!?

What I want to say, we should be open to a possibility that many dirty jobs have been accomplished by the copies/clones, as well. When I discussed the issue about copies/clones with one of Dr Malanga's associates, he said that they probably were heavily used in the wars, as well. (Would they exhibit the psychopathic traits, as mentioned in the above article?!)

Dr Corrado Malanga: You need to know, and I am making a very short digression now, that the abductee, when he is abducted by the aliens, they automatically build in certain machines some of copies of him; these copies are used to do some important things; the aliens need them.

(...)

In that period we realized that the alien had found another system to trick you. The copies.

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I need to know that when the person is taken by the alien, they put him in a sort of machine, and next to him it appears... zzzz... a copy of him, that gets to be used in different ways. In that situation the abductee, who sees this thing and see this copy of him being created out of nothing, gets a fright! Because he has an identity crisis. “Who am I?... it is me?... or it is him?... he moves just like me!”... you know that identity crisis may lead to suicide.

7,12
Ok? So, in this case there is a serious mental destabilization,
Why do they need these copies? We found out that they need them them to perform a series of different things. And I will also tell you what these things are.
(…)

Another way in which the copy is used: performing missions as a super-soldier. That is they train the copy, using a very weird technique, and then it is possible that they send it with an explosive belt, so that it explodes somewhere. “Who cares?” You can make another one.

You need to understand that we realized this because every abductee has a memory about a dream of a war operation. As examples they performed industrial espionage, or they exploded themselves, or they run around with a machine gun so they had other things explode... Each one of them! And this is weird. Very weird. Why? Where do these dreams come from?

1,30
So, then we understood something essential. First of all the copies are used to do these kind of things, and they store these copies in some closets...
They activate it (the copy, TN) and in the moment in which they activate it, they program it through the right eye... they insert some information using the optic nerve, that communicates with the left hemisphere in the brain... but if you are left-handed they do this in the left eye...

They give you a program. They wake you up, and you are already in the battlefield... you perform your mission... you go back to the same place, they take you and they turn you off again.

2,15
The copy's memory cannot be accessed. Unfathomable. When you hypnotize a copy, and this has happened to me a couple of times... the copy answers you in a weird way. It answers, “vocal access unidentified.”
If you ask, “What's your name?” … “4521”
“Where do you live?” … “Next to 4522, in the closet.”
It answers you like that. Do you see?...
Etc. Etc. Etc. Etc...

Then, if you ask, “Who gives you orders?” … “Somebody like you.”
What does that mean? It means it is a military man, not an alien. “Somebody like you.”

So, what actually happens is that when they turn on a copy, the copy is an extra Physical body-container. X+1. For all your Physical bodies-containers. The ones that you have in the past, in the present and in the future. It is just like if you were on a PC, and it appears to you the icon for a new PC in the network.

3,17
The information instead of going like, “toon toon toon toon toon toon toon toon toon toon”, like that, they go like, “toon toon toon toon toon … TACK, in the copy, toon toon toon toon toon”, so what happens is that you live, and at night, for example, you have a common knowledge about what the copy is doing. And you think you are just dreaming about it, but actually is the Soul component that is partially recalled in the copy, and when she comes back in the original, she downloads in you her knowledge about what happened. As if it was a video camera, which goes in the other room.

3,49
And that's why you have a... … a feeling that it was you, who actually did that at night.

And you don't tell them as if they were just a dream. But just like they were reality: you move your eyes to the correct side. You have a feeling of brilliant colours. You wake up in the morning feeling pain in you arms, just like if you were the one who performed the military action. - Updates on Alien Interferences

In the context of SIMBAD sessions, many abductees have perceived their clones/copies stored somewhere on the planet, or off the planet, in some storage facilities. Some of the clones/copies belonged to the military, some to the aliens. Abductee's soul was used as a battery for charging the clones. However, the clones were operating on their own (as programmed by their handlers). Some where perceived to be operated by reptilian entities, like they were inhabiting them and using them as 'avatars'.

(This opens another question, how many clones/copies pose as our royals, politicians, bankers, military, elite etc?! Of course, those humane sacrifice rituals, would be a mean of energy extraction for recharging their bodies)

At the same time, with our current level of perception, we are not able to know who is who. Who is an alien in a human body, who is a normal human being? E.g. Dr Malanga has hypnotised clones several times not knowing that he had a clone in front of himself, and at the same time, even the clone was not consciously aware that it was a clone!?

At the end, I am wondering about the possibility that by this disarmaments of normal human beings, the archontic forces are preparing the ground for an open invasion ?! They may have plans to switch from the covert control of humanity to an overt control and in this way, suffer much less casualties?! I remember, something like this was implied in 'montalk's article – Discernment of Alien Disinformation.

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[Chester]

Hi Vivek – I know what you mean about not being an authority – if we had to find a label, could explorer apply? I will speak for me only – I am an explorer of what might be the truer truths – not just in the buddhic sense that I am non-dial awareness or that I am emptiness, etc. – we are seeking to nail down the truth of our condition and like you, this is a topic I keep coming back to – a topic that I cannot leave alone – a topic that bugs me deep down when I feel the terror of those caught in the grander fly trap which whether I like it or not, when I review sections of this thread.

I guess I am obsessed to get to the bottom of this – obsessed with why a “horus-ra” entity would have ever focused its energy on me for example... who am I? What is it about me? I am a nobody. I have no outward worldly power. I have influence on a tiny batch of humanity and none of them have any real influence on the rest of society. It makes zero sense. But I was (and still may be) targeted by this type of entity – I have specific proof that this is what I have been dealing with likely since I was 6 years old. And when I realize that I had to deal with “it” for 48 years... that “it” played a roll that led up to the event I was a simple slip away or a simple last heading of a command from some “voice in my head” which would push me to the release of my arm grip which would result in a senseless death (normal people do not do what I did) and that this “it” is simply one component in a vast “network” of components some of us consider to be “the archontic forces” – I am compelled to get to the bottom of it all as this world I (and we) leave to our children and this matters to me.

I feel like a jerk that I went through this 4 or 5 month period where I seemed to discover how I actually live in a wonderful and amazing, magic kingdom and where my actual metaphysical knowledge had advanced to a stage I had dreamed about but never really believed possible and that I could isolate myself in this magic kingdom and then concluded that so can everyone else so why am should I bang my head against anyone else’s wall? And so I stayed on this pink cloud from mid August or so until just a few weeks ago... but I am back to earth now and that means back to this issue that in my view effects every single living being on this planet (including the planet “herself”) and for me to sit around is unacceptable.

I see you, Vivek, to be of this same underlying driving energy but forgive my words that the words seemed to place you on the pedestal or as some authority – I see you as a brave explorer and a heart driven dot connector.

OK... soon back to subject (will take an hour or more just to get through the above 4 or 5 posts - and to Freed Fox, Thank You for post 2347 as you nailed me correctly but realize, I am no longer consumed by my previous experience where it owns me... the key for me is simple, remain completely sober from any drugs or alcohol and allow myself to experience the good in life and the mundane... mix it up and I do. I live a normal life almost like Clark Kent - I only put on the silly uniform when I am at home, alone and usually just in the mornings when that first cup of awesome Costa Rican coffee begins to kick in - bottom line, my past no longer dominates me... I use my experiences as references and for understanding.

Finally "the voice" (and voices), the single biggest reason i went so far where I came one hair away from suicide was because I challenged if I was simply crazy and I went all the way with it - I have vast documentation that I would bet any logical (and skeptical) person would say that the experiences I documented are impossible to happen unless there was some sort of inexplicable outside agency involved - an agency that appeared to have intelligent capabilities and could do things relative to an individual's experience where most folks would think they are (or were as in my case), dealing with "GOD"... turns out it was all and only "archontic BS" - amazing and I am glad to be past it and most importantly, have my feet very firmly planted on the ground and I know that my kryptonite is drugs and alcohol - OK ... back to the thread and I hope more than anything Houman can forgive me that I took so long to come around but he can take it to the bank, I won't drift ever again in this lifetime and hopefully never again for the rest of my experience - justone

[Beren]

Reading sms's post I thought of this:

We do not die. We transform in our original template-spirit.
The body dies. But majority of people don't realize this hence they think that if dead - it's the end.

However despite physical death and spiritual retransfer we feel bad (we sense others energy of suffering) when their body die, meaning their experience of life with the body is ended temporarily.
However the ability of ours to enter the new body in birth (vessel for the soul) it does not change the fact of actual feeling of loss.

Feeling of loss is there to remind us of our essential right to expression. Right to express our soul in body.
We 're created as symbiotic beings who will be perfect in body and soul and spirit. So far this isn't happening because of heavy interruptions in the past and now.

Ones who aren't of this Earth may possibly lack this feeling of ours. So they excess their will to kill our bodies and eventually trap our souls in belief of entrapment (only on this way they can actually trap the soul- in illusion of belief they put on a soul who accept this state).

All these parasites are entities either created by us (in unconscious state of reality and mind by instilling fear) or are coming from another reality or galaxy or system where what they do is perfectly normal for them.
I'd call this an inter-species communication.
Our essence is the same but our experience isn't.

They do according to theirs and we according to ours.

My point is that those kids decided up there that they will allow this incident. To us here is monstrous deed. But why they chose this up there in soul realm- I don't know.
Some lessons to be learned I suppose.

Harmonizing the experience of life means that we do not allow anyone to stop our experience just because that's how they do it in their realms or dimension.
Mutual respect must be imposed. Sometimes with determination which looks on our side as a fight against alien forces with spiritual energy.

They invade - we defend. But let us look this from above and then act accordingly. If you feel that you are being attacked or willed to do something- just exercise your right of free will and turn the things around.
You have help. It's been discussed of many times before.

If alien influences were there in this recent killings - it will be done accordingly.

[Chester]

Posted by Vivek (here)
I elaborated more here about the energetic exchange between physical systems and their possibly correlating psychological counterparts (that was a mouthful).

Consider that the subtle realm of reality always has it's physical counterpart. Notably, this was observed by Jung and Pauli.

Lastly, I'd like to add this quote that I think pertains to post #2329 ...

It's from a book entitled, "Atom and Archetype: The Pauli/Jung Letters, 1932-1958."

Yes, Wolfgang Pauli and Carl Jung -- very cool.

The psyche…as a medium participates in both Spirit and Matter. I am convinced that it (the psyche) is partly of a material
nature. The archetypes, for example, are Ideas (in the Platonic sense)
on the one hand, and yet are directly connected with physiological
processes on the other; and in cases of synchronicity they are
arrangers of physical circumstances, so that they can also be
regarded as a characteristic of Matter (as the feature which imbues it
with meaning). (pp. 100-01)

-Carl Jung

Pauli was known to his friends as "Mr. Synchronicity" and when I was in my massive research stage between August 2010 and December 2011 (which led up to my almost demise) I went as deep as I could into the phenomena and discovered with zero doubt that the actual reality... that all things that arose within my awareness which included the one, primary voice "i" would speak with in my head would often be in concert with my own, inner thoughts.

This is the core experience as to why I thought I was an agent of "God" and why I went right to the very edge of the cliff - I challenged it all because I had to know if I was actually getting personal attention from "God, Almighty" (and thus that I would some day perform some mission that would save humanity) or if I was simply and only "crazy."

What is so cool is that I now know two things I did not know until April 26th of this year (the day I discovered this thread) and that is that -

1.) I (and I assume each and every "life infused" being... what I call a Spirit being) am completely connected with the All that Is (and perhaps beyond) and that, if we pay close attention, we can enjoy this connection often through each and every way we experience this vast reality which includes through psi phenomena and in my case is best experienced (and thus re-proven to myself over and over and over) through the psi phenomena we refer to as "synchronicity."

2.) That I somehow was being (and may still be... this is extremely important that I always keep this in mind and is important to those who deal with me on this level to know that it is possible this is still in play) influenced by an outside agency that I now conclude is a part of a larger structure we call "the archontic forces" and that the specific type of entity was (and may still be) a "horus-ra" entity... and there could be more than one.

Now understand I was in worse shape than the shape a person gets into when they perform an actual suicide attempt.

I was incapable of even killing myself because of what I now see as nothing but pure, dumb luck. I have told this before but it is important perhaps for some who don't know it - My father (we believe) killed himself. The details aren't important and I leave the out that he may have been "suicided" but the likelihood is that he made the decision and did the deed alone. Because I had that experience, I promised my sons I would never place them into the position they would have that experience. My promise to my sons was the very most important single promise I ever made in my life. YET! I allowed myself (under the excuse I was going to get to the bottom of all this) to end up hanging outside that 33rd floor window of Edeficio La Fontana in the neighborhood Obarrio in the Ciudad de Panama, Panama just under one year ago today and though that promise flashed across my mind while I was fighting this "voice" that was shouting in my head, "do it!... do it NOW!" What made the difference was when the image of my wife, Cristina, flashed through my head and the honest truth is that the thought of what she (also) would have to go through in dealing with my death, was too much.

And so I scrambled back inside the window. I chose that my wife (and sons... and my step-daughter too) and my own "life" with them was more important than "saving the world" which "the voice"... the voice I equated to be "the voice of God" had told me I had to do.

So because I was "weak" and that I was unable to do the bidding of "God" - I plunged into the deepest and darkest of depressions where if it were not for this forum and this thread, I would probably still be lost.

BUT! I am not dead and I don't believe I am lost anymore... (goofy, yes)... and I am free of that "crap" and...

I found I am a quantum being (and knowing this makes me a "realized" quantum being) and that all I have to do is stay within my simple choice and that choice is to be in positive, right relationship with All that Is and... not to accept what is unacceptable (for example, the very target of this thread - UNACCEPTABLE).

Life really has become simple for me - in fact... thank goodness for AA and the many things I learned (and retained) from AA - one of them is the slogan, "Keep it simple, stupid." And so despite my epic posts, I actually do keep it very, very simple.

Love to All and have a great day! (it is the 18th and thus the Moon has an influence as well as 6 6 6) and so enjoy the energies! Chester

[Houman]

from P. A . Brunt in Phoenix 29.3, 260-270, “Did Rome Disarm Her Subjects”


"
In his Roman Social Relations 50 B.C.-A.D. 284 New Haven and London 1974) Professor Ramsay Macmullen presents a sombre picture of the condition of the lower orders in the Roman empire, which in general appears to me to represent the truth only too well. But among the many suggestions he throws out which provoke reflection, at least one may challenge dissent. In his sketch of Roman taxation he urges that the resistance movements it caused “reveal in rough outline a common pattern of desperation: first, initial conquest by the Romans; next, the rapid confiscation of all hidden weapons;” and then assessments and “recurrent spasms of protest against the weight of tribute harshly calculated and still more harshly exacted.” His belief that even in the early empire taxation was heavier than is commonly assumed seems to me justifiable, but that is not my subject here. Is it right that disarmament, indeed rapid disarmament, was normally the first act of the conquerors as a prelude to taxation? Macmullen founds this claim on (a) a few texts relating to the disarmament of particular peoples and (b) an interpretation of the law or laws de vi, which in his judgement show that disarmament was universal.’ By implication, it was also permanent.
"


from http://beyondthephysical.blogspot.ca...s-and-gun.html


"
...
When I was a small child in the 1950's, I knew these types of shootings would be happening just prior to the beginning of the planned chaos that the NWO organization would bring.

I also know that the globalist organization has been programming multitudes of individuals at least since the early 1950's, to be triggered to help bring the chaos and to perpetuate the planned chaos in America and in other locations throughout the world. Many of these programmed people are what I call "sleepers" because they are totally unaware that they have been programmed. The programming is dormant until the inner clock is triggered which engages the program. I believe that the movie, "Avatar" contains such triggers. I haven't seen the Batman movie, so I don't have a personal opinion about possible triggers in that movie, however, going by the headlines of some articles I have seen in my mailbox, it appears that some people are thinking that the Batman movie might have some triggers in it.
...
Research all the laws that have been passed since September 11, 2001 and ask yourself what is keeping our globalist run government from enforcing all those laws. The answer should also be quite obvious.
"


from http://www.disclose.tv/news/SANDY_HO...#ixzz2FMynUgTe

"In this movie scene (1:58 into the movie) from Dark Knight Rises, "Sandy Hook" is about the only legible text on the whole map (look left of the walkie talkie in the screenshot above), and a guy puts his fingers on it.
"

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DTRH Popeye welcomes researcher Fritz Springmeier to the broadcast... 12/17/2012

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=qvkUxJWVDIk

[Freed Fox]

Houman,

Would you mind going into more detail regarding your theory about triggers found in "Avatar"? I have seen the movie myself (once), but it never struck me as anything especially suspicious... This could of course be because I have not been 'programmed' as you say. In general though, at least from a superficial view, "Avatar" seemed to me to be pro-nature and somewhat anti-industrialist. But I'm obviously no expert...

[Houman]

Posted by Freed Fox (here)
Houman,

Would you mind going into more detail regarding your theory about triggers found in "Avatar"? I have seen the movie myself (once), but it never struck me as anything especially suspicious... This could of course be because I have not been 'programmed' as you say. In general though, at least from a superficial view, "Avatar" seemed to me to be pro-nature and somewhat anti-industrialist. But I'm obviously no expert...

The theory concerning avatar is that of Carolyn Hamlett
http://beyondthephysical.blogspot.ca...s-and-gun.html
Note that by definition triggers may be difficult to detect before the facts since anything can be per-programmed to be a trigger...
Fritz Springmeier has also elaborated on such triggers (and end of time programming) in his MK books.

[Houman]

Posted by lookbeyond (here)
In terms of what one can do to attempt to prevent deception at point of death, the book offers that we develop our psychic skills in this life in hope that we can read properly those who present to us at point of death.

The concept of deception at point of death is disturbing as some deaths are traumatic and the soul may not discern correctly and be lost/ captured / ?devoured.

This deception at point of death led me to wonder about NDEs and whether there could be an agenda behind them directed toward harvesting/ possession / devouring of unsuspecting souls. That what seems all lov n light could be in fact aimed at deception- so many implications for humanity- and if any element of truth well worth discussing in my point of view.

One thing appears to be sure, a lot of people are experiencing negative NDEs...
Houman



"I'm a surgical nurse at a hospital in Phoenix, Arizona. We have lots of near-death cases there, and almost all of them are the negative kind. You know what I mean people who wind up in hell!"
Source: P.M.H. Atwater - 92 Journal of Near-Death Studies Vol.10, No.3

"A respiratory nurse who works in an emergency room told me about a patient who had gone “code red” – he flat lined. She and some other medical personnel rushed over with the defibrillator to try and bring him back to life. They applied the paddles and revived him. She said that he started screaming and shouting “the heat, the heat!” then his heart stopped again. They brought him back a second time. He shouted “The flames, the flames!” They lost him again. Four times the man flat lined and was brought back, each time shouting about the heat or the flames. After the last time, he died and they could not bring him back. She said all the doctors and nurses just stood there for a few minutes and stared at the body. They all knew that man went to hell."

Source: Mark Cahill – Book: One Heartbeat Away – markcahill.org

[Houman]

Posted by sms (here)
When I look into such atrocities like the school shootings in Connecticut, I just can not believe that such operations were carried out by human beings. We are more or less conditioned to rationalise killings of human beings under some particular conditions or circumstances, however, in reality, there is no an excuse.

And, we have to keep on mind that - “There is a third side in the conflict”, as W. Bramley stated in his book Gods of the Eden, referring to the “Custodians” (archons).

Normally, in any close shootings, killed to injured ratios would go ~ 1:3, however, those “lone nutters” are becoming stunningly "efficient" like highly trained combat shooter s. They mostly leave no injured victims (=no witnesses) behind. Professional jobs, one may say. Similarly, in 1997, Australians were disarmed after an intellectually impaired registered invalid with no training in the use of high powered assault weapons killed 35 people in a restaurant leaving no injured (witnesses) behind. (And, of course, after the disarmament, the number of Australians killed by fire arms has - increased).

Normal people can not do such killings. I have seen many mentally retarded and sick people, as well, and as crazy as they were, they did not have a tendency to go around hurting others, especially killing them. When one investigates a bit further, he would see that normal people hesitate to kill even in wars.


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Thanks for your insightful posts sms... I am not an expert on the effects of psychotropic drugs but there are many studies showing that they change the biochemistry of the brain, I wonder if those drugs also open people up to possession as crystal meth does...

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=26e5PqrCePk

On "normal people", I wonder what makes us human, how long/much does it take for someone to forget its humanity and be transformed into something else...
they have been doing this to their children for eons

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_md...nexvo1_500.jpg

now they are doing it to us (trying to change our "core" by changing the "norm")
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m1...w0po1_1280.jpg

but the "core" is not something easy to change...
http://www.mikespost.com/archives/6692

‘Did we just kill a kid?’ is the moment the drone operator realized he just vaporized a child

By Helen Pow

A former U.S. drone operator has opened up about the toll of killing scores of innocent people by pressing a button from a control room in New Mexico.

Brandon Bryant, 27, from Missoula, Montana, spent six years in the Air Force operating Predator drones from inside a dark container.

But, after following orders to shoot and kill a child in Afghanistan, he knew he couldn’t keep doing what he was doing and quit the military...

[Jeffrey]

There is another possibility I would like to explore in conjunction with the one above. Another thought experiment. It has to do with the proto-planetary development of the solar system, morphogenic fields, EM fields relating to consciousness, human DNA, foreign/invasive energy, and panspermia.

[Side note: Houman, I hope I am not derailing the intended direction of this thread, but I do think this material belongs here. Please, PM me if you feel this information would be better suited for a separate thread -- I would be happy to comply. Thanks!]

Firstly, let's look at the current theory of how the solar system was formed.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=dk-VIN8d_qU

There are several stages to take note of:

1. It began as a diffuse cloud (possibly the remnants of a supernova explosion).

2. The cloud started to coalesce.

3. Matter began to collect more in the center (also at various peripheral places around the center) and the accretion disc started slowly spinning.

4. The denser spots grew and kept growing due to their swelling gravitational forces and over time the solar system developed into what it is today.





From www.universetoday.com

The Sun (and all the planets) started their lives in a giant cloud of cold molecular gas and dust. And then about 4.6 billion years ago, something bumped into the cloud, like the gravity from a passing star, or shockwaves from a supernova, causing the cloud to collapse. With the collapse, the mutual gravity from the particles in the cloud pulled together, and formed pockets of denser material in the cloud. These were star forming regions, and one of them was to become the Solar System.

Source: http://www.universetoday.com/18847/life-of-the-sun/

The "something [that] bumped into the cloud" could account for the metaphor of Sophia looking, and thereby animating that dark shadow moving in the waters (apparently Johannes Kepler equated gravity with the Holy Ghost).

Here is an excerpt from another one of the codices, The Apocryphon of John :

"And when she saw (the consequences of) her desire, it changed into a form of a lion-faced serpent. And its eyes were like lightning fires which flash. She cast it away from her, outside that place, that no one of the immortal ones might see it, for she had created it in ignorance. And she surrounded it with a luminous cloud, and she placed a throne in the middle of the cloud that no one might see it except the holy Spirit who is called the mother of the living. And she called his name Yaltabaoth."

The reference to a luminous cloud reminds me of either a dusty plasma cloud and/or or the early formation of our own sun. Specifically, consider the latter for a moment.

Here is an important excerpt from, The Apocryphon of John:

She united a luminous cloud with him. She placed a throne in the midst of the cloud so that no one might see him except the holy Spirit who is called Life, the mother of everyone {except the holy Spirit who is called the Mother of all the living}. And she named him Yaldabaoth. He is the Chief Ruler, the one who attained a great power from the Mother.

He removed himself from her. He abandoned the place in which he had been born. {He moved from place to place away from the place in which he had been born.} He seized another place. He created for himself an aeon, which blazes with a shining fire, in which he now dwells. {He created for himself an aeon of fiery, luminous flame, in which he now dwells.}

I am correlating the chief archon with the sun in our solar system. This also nods to the fact that Horus-Ra was an Egyptian sun god.



Now, here is an excerpt from the codice -- On the Origin of the World -- from the Nag Hammadi.

Next, the ruler had a thought - consistent with his nature - and by means of verbal expression he created an androgyne. He opened his mouth and cooed to him. When his eyes had been opened, he looked at his father, and he said to him, "Eee!" Then his father called him Eee-a-o ('Yao'). Next he created the second son. He cooed to him. And he opened his eyes and said to his father, "Eh!" His father called him 'Eloai'. Next, he created the third son. He cooed to him. And he opened his eyes and said to his father, "Asss!" His father called him 'Astaphaios'. These are the three sons of their father.

Seven appeared in chaos, androgynous. They have their masculine names and their feminine names. The feminine name is Pronoia (Forethought) Sambathas, which is 'week'.

And his son is called Yao: his feminine name is Lordship.

Sabaoth: his feminine name is Deity.

Adonaios: his feminine name is Kingship.

Elaios: his feminine name is Jealousy.

Oraios: his feminine name is Wealth.

And Astaphaios: his feminine name is Sophia (Wisdom).

These are the seven forces of the seven heavens of chaos. And they were born androgynous, consistent with the immortal pattern that existed before them, according to the wish of Pistis: so that the likeness of what had existed since the beginning might reign to the end. You will find the effect of these names and the force of the male entities in the Archangelic (Book) of the Prophet Moses, and the names of the female entities in the first Book of Noraia.

Notice that there are seven androgenes. In the ancient world there was thought to be seven planets -- Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, the Moon, and the Sun.

The Gnostic scriptures suggest that the chief archon "cooed" in order to bring about each of the seven androgenes. Now, during the formation of our solar system our sun is developing and proto-planetary objects are taking shape around it. Maybe where the planets began to form was based on the same principles underlying Cymatics.

The cooing could be a metaphor describing the sounds that the blossoming sun was projecting into the space around it. The planets merely formed around the areas of space where harmonics formed.

I am not saying that the planets are bad; actually, the Nag Hammadi states that the androgenes were created "according to the wish of Pistis."

Here is the sound of the sun displayed visually.



Here is a link with more information about the "songs of stars" (I promise, you won't regret going through this link, it's incredible): http://www.cymascope.com/cyma_resear...rophysics.html

In this case, the sounds that the androgenes made back to the chief archon would correlate with the sounds of the planets.

From, On the Origin of the World:

Now the prime parent Yaldabaoth, since he possessed great authorities, created heavens for each of his offspring through verbal expression - created them beautiful, as dwelling places - and in each heaven he created great glories, seven times excellent.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=f9rBJDajwPc

The symbol for the sun is the ouroboros -- usually symbolized as a reptile/serpent-like form.



Okay, moving on.

According to the gnostic texts, Sophia hid herself within the earth -- Sophia is Gaia, and holds Her creative power (think of Sheldrake's hypothesis).

"The Sophia herself is but a reflex of the "Mother of all living" and is therefore also called "Mother." She is the formatrix of heaven and earth, for as much as mere matter can only receive form through the light which, coming down from above has interpenetrated the dark waters of the hylē; but she is also at the same time the spiritual principle of life in creation, or, as the world-soul the representative of all that is truly pneumatic in this lower world: her fates and experiences represent typically those of the pneumatic soul which has sunk down into chaos."

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sophia_...#As_world-soul

Again, while reading the following excerpts, keep in mind the work of Rupert Sheldrake regarding morphogenetic fields and modeled form (also, the resonance of the planet).

Excerpts from, The Apocryphon of John and On the Origin of the World:

And before Adam of Light had withdrawn in the chaos, the authorities saw him and laughed at the prime parent because he had lied when he said, "It is I who am God. No one exists before me." When they came to him, they said, "Is this not the god who ruined our work?" He answered and said, "Yes. If you do not want him to be able to ruin our work, come let us create a man out of earth, according to the image of our body and according to the likeness of this being, to serve us; so that when he sees his likeness, he might become enamored of it. No longer will he ruin our work; rather, we shall make those who are born out of the light our servants for all the duration of this eternal realm." Now all of this came to pass according to the forethought of Pistis, in order that man should appear after his likeness, and should condemn them because of their modeled form. And their modelled form became an enclosure of the light.

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Then the authorities received the knowledge (gnosis) necessary to create man. Sophia Zoe - she who is with Sabaoth - had anticipated them. And she laughed at their decision. For they are blind: against their own interests they ignorantly created him. And they do not realize what they are about to do. The reason she anticipated them and made her own man first, was in order that he might instruct their modelled form how to despise them, and thus to escape from them.

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And the man came forth because of the shadow of the light which is in him. And his thinking was superior to all those who had made him. When they looked up, they saw that his thinking was superior. And they took counsel with the whole array of archons and angels. They took fire and earth and water and mixed them together with the four fiery winds. And they wrought them together and caused a great disturbance. And they brought him (Adam) into the shadow of death, in order that they might form (him) again from earth and water and fire and the spirit which originates in matter, which is the ignorance of darkness and desire, and their counterfeit spirit. This is the tomb of the newly-formed body with which the robbers had clothed the man, the bond of forgetfulness; and he became a mortal man. This is the first one who came down, and the first separation. But the Epinoia of the light which was in him, she is the one who was to awaken his thinking.

I'm reading this and thinking about natural humans formed on earth by the Spirit of Gaia (i.e. morphogenetic field).

The archontic counterfeit spirit would be their own artificial field that distorts, disrupts, or attempts to substitute itself for the real Gaian field of morphology.

If this 'making of a new man' is a metaphor, it could correlate with panspermia. Somewhere along the way foreign DNA-like structures (from a local pseudo-conscious dust/plasma cloud) fell to the earth and became intermingled/inserted with/in the natural human's genetic code.



This foreign DNA (if DNA acts as a transceiver) picks up a different station than the one Gaia is broadcasting. It tunes into a foreign morphogenetic field (i.e. the counterfeit spirit). Also, it could interfere with the projections of our natural archetypal repository.

[Side note: Think about artificial selection and bloodlines. Certain traits and characteristics could be intensified through keeping certain lineages within one another by selective breeding. This selectiveness of only a few traits would lead to a lack of genetic diversity and possibly create problems for this offshoot species. This makes me think of a motive for cannibalism and blood-drinking as an attempt to ingest more natural DNA in order to repair their own. This may be an instinctual urge since their instinctual faculties of mind have been utterly taken over by this foreign energy. This thought, carried out to an extreme, may account for the stories we here of people witnessing reptilian-like humanoids feeding on people. They could be/look human but they field they project (DNA being a transceiver) is more foreign than home grown so what we receive on a subconscious level appears reptilian in nature.]*

Again, from On the Origin of the World:

And at that time, the prime parent then rendered an opinion concerning man to those who were with him. Then each of them cast his sperm into the midst of the navel of the earth. Since that day, the seven rulers have fashioned man with his body resembling their body, but his likeness resembling the man that had appeared to them. His modelling took place by parts, one at a time. And their leader fashioned the brain and the nervous system. Afterwards, he appeared as prior to him. He became a soul-endowed man. And he was called Adam, that is, "father", according to the name of the one that existed before him.

Sounds like panspermia to me. It also says that they "fashioned the brain" and that makes me think of this picture (from my previous post) of the human, reptile-like brain stem compared to the "fractal visions" image and images from the Egyptian hieroglyphs:



Humanity then evolves (over very few generations), or is newly created as a being that no longer possesses a bicameral mind.

"This is the first one who came down [the fall], and the first separation."

Separation ---> leading to a unicameral mind (Jaynes).

This is just scratching the surface, but hopefully it gets the gears turning.

Once again, I'm just playing with ideas here ... I realize some of the codices say different things. I'm just trying to look at it from different angles.

So, I'll wrap this up with a quote from Carl Jung. He stated:

"An archetypal content expresses itself, first and foremost, in metaphors."

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"Wisdom is knowing in depth the great metaphors of meaning."

-Carl Jung

Here is the source for the Gnostic material that was quoted throughout the post - The Nag Hammadi Library Codex Index

*Concerning this caveat, here are some excerpts from another thread, posted by Bearcow (emphasis added):

Posted by bearcow (here)

For people who do not know what the po is, it is part of the astral body that regulates the animalistic functions of the human organism. IE breathing, hunger, sex drive etc. Addictions come about because the hunger of the Po becomes so strong that it overrides the higher functions of conscious mind and controls the behavior of the individual. If you want to label a part of your being/ego as being negative, this would be the place to start.

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Now lets say you wanted to forever become part of the ruling class of this world. You would need to cut yourself off from the higher aspects of your being but still remain alive. You would need the Po to become so strong that it can live separately from the physical body and the higher self. Some of the things you can strengthen the po by ?

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Everyone has a energetic connection to their ancestors, but those who are bred specifically in one genetic line, (IE inbreeding) have a stronger connection to their ancestors. Part of the reason the elite inbreed is that their ancestors have a easier time influencing their decision making processes. They can become slaves to the will of their fore bearers.

Source: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...Cult-of-Saturn

ADD/UPDATE:

I have just stumbled upon an article with some similar propositions here:

http://www.metahistory.org/gnostique...etPromise1.php

[lookbeyond]

Hello Freed Fox, there is nothing to "tolerate" re your fine post. Imo those with experience to share are extremely valuable to the forum,as we share these experiences we all contribute pieces to someones puzzle.

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[Jeffrey]

Posted by Vivek (here)
From http://www.metahistory.org/gnostique...enDreaming.php

Fractal Visions

To the Coco de Mer icon we can now add a graphic variation to suggest how the Archons emerge from Sophia's Dreaming, like a leak from a placenta...

Sophia, situated in the center of the impact zone, sees around Her something like a sea of tensile waves, and riding the waves, or actually composing the waves they appear to ride, are self-repeating forms that resemble seashorses. These seahorses are similar to the forms that appear at high reiteration of the equation for the Mandelbrot Set. These forms correspond to the anatomical type spontaneously generated from formless atomic matter by Sophia's impact, a type called the "shadow body," haibes in Coptic.

The fractal formations described in the Gaia Mythos (Episodes 9 - 10) are actual physical phenomena that occur spontaneously when an Aeon (a mass-free, high-porosity current of stellar plasma) pours into the dense fields of elementary matter. At first these "fractal seahorses" seem to be inanimate structures, rigid and almost crystalline in nature, but by the very fact that Sophia beholds them, they become animated.

[Sidenote: "leak from a placenta" reminds me of NASA's findings of alien matter leaking into our solar system, the placenta being the heliosphere or earth's magnetosphere. Also, look at crystalline, helical structures in space forming inside inorganic, interstellar dust clouds.*]

Now, here is the human ("reptilian") brainstem.

Microcosm to macrocosm -- the intruder fractally mimics it's new domain as it develops.

Interesting.

Posted by Vivek (here)

Sounds like panspermia to me. It also says that they "fashioned the brain" and that makes me think of this picture (from my previous post) of the human, reptile-like brain stem compared to the "fractal visions" image (there's also the images from the Egyptian hieroglyphs):



Humanity then evolves (over very few generations), or is newly created as a being that no longer possesses a bicameral mind.

"This is the first one who came down [the fall], and the first separation."

Separation ---> leading to a unicameral mind (Jaynes).

In the pictures of the human brain stem, the "head" is anatomically known as the thalamus.

In, The Apocryphon of John, the chief archon is said to have had a lions head and a serpents body.

"And he did not resemble the likeness of the Mother, for he had another form. As she deliberated, she saw that he had become modeled after a different likeness, having the face of a serpent and the face of a lion."

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"And when she saw (the consequences of) her desire, it changed into a form of a lion-faced serpent."

Here is a relevant excerpt from Wikipedia:

In vertebrate anatomy the brainstem (or brain stem) is the posterior part of the brain, adjoining and structurally continuous with the spinal cord.

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brainstem

Notice the similarity between the brain stem and the object inside the head of the figure in the hieroglyph.

The thalamus is tucked under, and partly surrounded by the corpus callosum.

Now, this next part is really going to bake your noodle. A lion's mane could, in the subconscious language of symbols, represent the axonal projections from the corpus callosum.

From Wikipedia:

The corpus callosum (Latin: tough body), also known as the colossal commissure, is a wide, flat bundle of neural fibers beneath the cortex in the eutherian brain at the longitudinal fissure. It connects the left and right cerebral hemispheres and facilitates interhemispheric communication. It is the largest white matter structure in the brain, consisting of 200–250 million contralateral axonal projections.

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corpus_callosum

Corpus Callosum is the main interhemispheric commisure of the brain consisting of approximately 180 million fibers, most of which connect homologous cortical areas. Corpus Callosum is a structure that is of interest when searching for the morphological bases of the brain’s laterality. It is also thought to play an important role in organizing auditory stimuli and in language perception.

Source

Here is a diffusion MRI of there area of the brain being discussed.



Now let's turn to the Bicameral Mind Theory.

This externalized self was a consequence of the split between the two halves of the brain. Jaynes suggests that the left and right brains were not integrated—"unicameral"—they way they are today. Rather, the ancient brain was "bicameral," with the two brains working essentially independently of each other. The left half of the brain, the logical, language-using half, generated ideas and commands, which the right brain then obeyed. These commands were subjectively perceived by the right brain as coming from "outside"—as if a god was speaking.

Source: http://deoxy.org/alephnull/jaynes.htm

The corpus callosum functions as the bridge creating a unicameral brain. The lion's head represents the thalamus and corpus callosum (with the millions of contralateral axonal projections being the lion's mane). The serpentine body being the spinal cord/nerves. Below is the Gnostic depiction of Yaldabaoth compared with the spinal cord and the brain (the spinal cord leads into the reptilian brain stem):



The function of the corpus callosum has very similar correlations to what Jaynes describes happened when the mind went unicameral. It also ties into the archontic effects of putting humanity under a "veil" of ignorance.

Here are some more excerpts from www.metahistory.org

archetype - From Latin, “primordial or original pattern.” A term widely associated with the psychological theories of C. G. Jung, although it does not originate with him.

The Jungian conception of the archetype is almost identical with the notion of instinct in biology. It could be said that the archetypes in the human psyche are directive patterns, comparable to instincts in other species.

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In Gnostic psychology, the noetic science of the Mystery Schools, Archons are an alien force that intrudes subliminally upon the human mind and deviates our intelligence away from its proper and sane applications. They are not what makes us act inhumanely, for we all have the potential to go against our innate humanity, violating the truth in our hearts, but they make us play out inhumane behavior to weird and violent extremes. Left to our own devices, we would sometimes act inhumanely and then correct it, contain the aberration. Obviously, we do not always do so. In the exaggeration of our insane and inhumane tendencies, and in extreme, uncorrected deviance from our innate intelligence, Gnostics saw the signature of an alien species that piggy-backs on the worst human failings.

Hence, Archons are psycho-spiritual parasites. Yet as offspring of the Aeon Sophia, they are also our cosmic kin.

As inorganic entities of two types, embryonic and reptilian [...] they exist both as an alien species independent of humankind, and as a presence in our minds, rather like a set of programs operating in our mental environment. The risk they pose by invading our mental software is far greater than any physical risk they might pose by erratically breaching the biosphere.

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Our capacity to discern alien forces working in our minds is crucial to survival and co-evolution with Gaia who, as Sophia, accidentally produced the Archons in the first place [...] By recognizing and repelling the Archons, we claim our power, define our boundaries in the cosmic framework, and establish our purpose relative to Gaia, the indwelling intelligence of the planet.

I have more thoughts about this and the UFO/alien abduction phenomena (see also: http://www.metahistory.org/gnostique...nIntrusion.php). Especially considering these ideas and the function(s) of the thalamus (and other areas associated with the brain stem):

The thalamus is involved in several functions of the body including:

• Motor Control
• Receives Auditory, Somatosensory and Visual Sensory Signals
• Relays Sensory Signals to the Cerebral Cortex
• Controls Sleep and Awake States

Source: http://biology.about.com/od/anatomy/p/thalamus.htm

Now, after reading this post, go back over post #2348 and the latter half of post #2358. Interesting ...

I'm also thinking about the kundalini in light of this information.