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    That was me recklessly regurgitating partially digested information. I've learned not to speak in definitives because I really have no idea what's real.

    Hence the playing around with ideas and not believing what I think.

    I've gone back and read posts I've written a year ago and some of them make me cringe. The meeting of the minds here has helped me through a lot. I've had to pull my foot out of my mouth many times here and I continuously check to make sure my heads not in my arse. There was a post I made some time ago (within the year) where I vowed not to post recklessly and without deliberation. I'm trying my best to do that (albeit I've moved away from casting my opinions around and moved towards posting from a contemplative, creative standpoint). Anyways, I'm rambling.

    And thanks!



    I also think there is a tangled symbolism regarding dragons, serpents, etc ...

    Part of the process of separating the sand and sugar is understanding the differences in the terms (dragon, serpent, eagle, soul, spirit, etc) and the ideas behind them -- which is ongoing exploration of this thread.
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    I'd say you are zeroing right in on the true gnostic teachings of energetics, and how the split occurred. Great finds. Thanks.
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    Hi Vivek, great additions, once again, a lot to think about and consider. From Christianity, the Parable of the Tares:

    Quote Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field:

    But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way.

    But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also.

    So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares?

    He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up?

    But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them.

    Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.

    —Matthew 13:24-30,
    The Enemy, or the Echthroi, seems to be implicit in many traditions which speak about its/their existence in couched terminology of extremely metaphoric construction for necessary reasons that I think have to do with coding the information for the knowledgeable and for future generations as the control of worldly institutions lies with the Archonic hierarchies. The above quote remains in the New Testament. For whatever reason, it was not removed during the Council of Nicea or later. It seems to be illustrative of the pervasive understanding that the Truth must be allowed its expression. It can be surrounded by lies, but it must be expressed.

    On the Echthroi and the deep biological Mitochondria connection I return once again to Madeline L'Engle and a synopsis of the second book in her series, A Wind in the Door:

    Quote Meg Murry is worried about her brother Charles Wallace, a 6-year-old genius who is bullied at school by the other children. The new principal of the elementary school is the former high school principal, Mr. Jenkins, who often disciplined Meg, and who Meg is sure has a grudge against her whole family. Meg tries to enlist Jenkins's help in protecting her brother, but is unsuccessful. On top of this, Meg discovers that Charles Wallace has a progressive disease which is leaving him short of breath. Their mother, a microbiologist, suspects it may have something to do with his mitochondria and the farandolae that live within them.

    One afternoon, Charles Wallace tells Meg he saw a "drive of dragons" in the vegetable garden in their back yard. Meg goes out with him to investigate, but all they find is a pile of very odd feathers. Later, Meg has a frightening encounter with something that looks like Mr. Jenkins. Meg, Charles Wallace, and Calvin O'Keefe discover that Charles Wallace's drive of dragons is a single creature named Proginoskes. Progo, as he is quickly nicknamed, insists on being called "a cherubim" instead of a cherub because he is "practically plural," having a multitude of wings and eyes. The children also encounter a tall robed being named Blajeny, who informs them that he is a Teacher, and that they and Proginoskes have all been called to his class. They also encounter a snake that lives in their wall, Louise the Larger, who is also a Teacher.

    Meg learns that the galaxy is threatened by beings called Echthroi, who seek to erase the entire universe by un-Naming things. She soon has to save Mr. Jenkins from this fate, by Naming him. Part of the task is to distinguish the real Mr. Jenkins from two Echthroi doubles, but it also means that she must look past her personal grudge, find the goodness in Mr. Jenkins, and let herself love him.

    The characters then learn that Echthroi are destroying Charles Wallace's farandolae. They travel inside one of his mitochondria, which is named Yadah, and turn the tide by convincing a larval farandola to take root and accept its role as a mature fara, against the urgings of an Echthros. In the process, Meg is nearly "Xed,"(unnamed) and Mr. Jenkins is invaded by his Echthros doubles. Proginoskes sacrifices himself to "fill in" the emptiness of the Echthroi, Charles Wallace's life is saved, and everything returns to normal.
    It is a short journey from reading tales like this as children to the Gnostic Mysteries. I expect that Mrs. L'Engle is quite well-versed in them. I like using novels, movies and television shows in order to illustrate how the Western collective unconscious seems to be geared toward the expression of certain kinds of stories as opposed to others. How - either through deliberate Elite machinations, unconscious collective resonance or some combination of both - Science Fiction and Fantasy are neither, really, IMO. In an infinite reality with infinite universes, higher and lower dimensions, parallel realities and timelines, all potential thought-creations may find expression somewhere, somewhen. They are "channelings", if you will, that express the possibilities of other pathways taken by a multiversal humanity, all in service to the same creative urges, with the same motivations and the same, basic relationship to creation and being-ness. While the exactness of the science expressed in these stories may not necessarily be correct, the impetus toward consciousness implicit within all of form and matter is an expression of a living truth. From the link you shared with us regarding the Biology of Kundalini:

    Quote In fact we must look to mitochondria as being the chief orchestrators of the entire kundalini alchemy. Mitochondria play a central role in apoptosis by amplifying and mediating extrinsic apoptotic pathways, and in the integration and propagation of death signals originating from inside the cell such as DNA damage, oxidative stress, starvation. Apoptosis is most often induced through the disruption of the mitochondrial inner transmembrane potential and through a sudden increase in the permeability of the inner mitochondrial membrane. This causes an influx of water by osmosis into the mitochondria with the eventual rupture of the outer mitochondrial membrane, resulting in the release of pro-apoptotic proteins from the mitochondrial intermembrane space into the cytoplasm. Proteins released start a apoptosic cascade, ATP synthesis is stopped and free radical generation exceeds the cells antioxidant capacities leading to the oxidation of lipids, proteins, and nucleic acids.

    The apoptosis signalling pathways in viable cells are kept in an inactive state and are only turned on in response to a death stimulus. It is thought that all cells of a multicellular animal might be intrinsically programmed to self-destruct and would die instantaneously unless cell death is continuously repressed by survival signals from growth factors, antioxidants, hormones, nutrients. These anti-apoptotic regulatory molecules keep in check the activation of pro-apoptotic factors. During a die-off however the pro-apoptotic factors become dominant and an exquisite cascade of cell death and self-digestion is set in motion.
    The biological details that you've taken the time to research and incorporate within your musings is key to the realization that it goes much deeper than we are generally willing to believe. To know that DNA has memory, that the seemingly random tales and metaphoric writings were detailing very specific and highly relevant bodily geographies and assigning higher spiritual principles to their subtle workings is to realize that, as far as integrative understandings of the nature of reality are concerned, modern science has quite a long way to go. It also actualizes the knowledge, connects what could be abstract to very real biological potentialities.

    The difficulty in accepting your last conclusion regarding original sin should be apparent. In a space such as that created by individuals seeking deeper spiritual truths beyond the institutional structures of society - and, with an almost reflexive bias against Christianity - accepting that the concept of original sin has biological origins is akin to throwing a grenade into a box of nukes. The Gnostics considered the God of Judaism, Yahweh, to be the Demiurge, Yaldabaoth, the false creator god. As the child of Judaism - and the Egyptian Mystery System - Christianity was and is the perfect vehicle for the implementation of the control matrices belief-system co-optation. With that said, as I stated earlier, the truth seems to transcend all attempts to obscure it with falsehoods, requiring overt expression.

    With all of the talk of multiple races of humanity, I'm reminded of the Urantia Book, and Kolbrin Bible, both of which also contain tales of multiple creations and different types of people coexistent upon the planet. The sheer prevalence of such stories lends credence to their veracity.

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    Quote Posted by Vivek (here)
    Now, consider morphogenetics alongside DNA acting as a transceiver and the nature of thought (being a myriad of unique, interacting interference patterns of light/EM spectrum).

    DNA could act as a receiver for a particular resonance unique to the planet and/or it is structurally subtle enough to pick up the underlying "spiritual field"
    described in earlier posts. It picks up the resonance/field and projects it into form. I picture this concept as being similar to shining a beam of light through a lens with a design etched on it -- this distorts the light into a different pattern or form based on the etch. Imagine the light projecting the pattern in three dimensions.

    This is the form that the coding DNA follows. The coding DNA provides the bricks and mortar, while portions of the non-coding DNA provide (i.e. project the form) the blueprints.

    Another thing that may be passed on genetically is memory. It is dormant within our DNA. This is truly our connection to our ancestors, and also to any past traumas our species went through. This memory would also include archetypes and the like. It is accessed through form. To read it would be like reading a book, to view it would be like viewing a hologram (it might be intense, like nearly experiencing it). I have explored a physiological, physics base mechanism in which this could actually be possible here (the portion about the pineal gland).
    "Down in the depths of every human being, there is an ancestral, visceral [* visceral- obtained through intuition rather than from reasoning or observation] knowledge about the predators' existence." - Don Juan
    Just think about how much information can be encoded by binary systems (ones and zeros). Now, imagine how much information could be contained in a quaternary system (A,G,T,C). Just around 2% of the human genome accounts for the bricks and mortar of each and every complexity in the human body. So much is contained in that 2% alone, imagine the potential amount of information in the rest.

    It's all very fascinating.
    Great post Vivek. Some of the connections you've made in this thread (and others) are indeed fascinating. I'm just having one hell of a time trying to keep up.

    As we've discussed earlier, I'm interested in this particular piece of the puzzle: the role of DNA and consciousness. I've "stolen" a few bits from a previous post of mine, Junk DNA or a primer for universal consciousness: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post270191

    I'm thinking this material might be useful in terms of putting together some of the connections you've highlighted earlier. In particular, the connection between morphogenetics and DNA.

    In a paper entitled "A Holographic Concept of Reality" first appearing in Psychoenergetic Systems in 1975, a team of researchers headlined by Richard Miller outlined a compelling model of "ener-genetic" expression resulting in "precipitated reality": "Superposed coherent waves of different types in the cells interact to form diffraction patterns, firstly in the acoustic [i.e., sound] domain, secondly in the electromagnetic [light] domain." This leads to the manifestation of physical form as a "quantum hologram—a translation between acoustical and optical holograms." Significantly, this sound-light translation that creates the experience of reality occurs in the genome.

    It is becoming apparent that DNA directs cellular metabolism and replication not just biochemically but electromagnetically through mechanisms that translate sound into light waves, and vice versa. Sound and light, or phonons and photons, establish a sophisticated communication network throughout the physical organism that extends into the bioenergy fields and back to the cellular and subcellular levels.

    Recalling Edgar Cayce's prediction that "sound would be the medicine of the future," Jonathan Goldman in Healing Sounds: The Power of Harmonics coined the following inspirational formula: sound + intention = healing. If we define intention as a form of conscious light energy roughly equivalent to thought, an idea consistent with many shamanic traditions such as that of the Toltecs of Mesoamerica, we can translate Goldman's formula as: SOUND + LIGHT = HEALING.

    Russian scientists Peter Gariaev and Vladimir Poponin have also explored DNA’s extraordinary electromagnetic properties. Their research shows that DNA has a special ability to attract photons, causing the latter to spiral along the helix-shaped DNA molecule instead of along a linear path. In other words, DNA has the amazing ability to bend or weave light around itself.

    In addition, it appears that a previously undetected form of intelligent light or intention energy (emanating from higher dimensions and distinguishable from electromagnetic radiation) which the Russian scientists dubbed "torsion radiation" after its twisting shape, gives rise to DNA. "A unified subliminal field of potentially universal consciousness apparently exists," writes Horowitz on the subject of the Russian studies, "and may be explained as emerging from a previously overlooked physical vacuum."

    This breakthrough research establishes that torsion energy permeates the entire multidimensional galaxy and not only is responsive to but may indeed be consciousness. "To put it as bluntly as possible. You cannot separate consciousness and torsion waves—they are the same thing. When we use our minds to think, we are creating movements of electrical impulses in the brain, and when any electrical energy moves, torsion waves are also created."

    According to the Russian findings, notes author Wynn Free, "this spiraling 'torsion' energy could actually be the substance of our human souls, and is therefore the precursor to the DNA molecule ... It already exists in the fabric of space and time before any physical life emerges." Elsewhere, Free remarks of transposons that these tiny segments of DNA can literally travel along the genome activating different parts of it when prompted by consciousness. In keeping with Gariaev's "Wave-based Genome Theory," Free concludes that DNA functions "somewhat like a computer chip, with different sections that can either be 'on' or 'off.'" Thus we can easily imagine how the torsion waves of human consciousness could actually program, or reprogram, DNA's binary code.

    Similarly, the Gariaev group demonstrated that chromosomes function much like (re)programmable holographic biocomputers employing DNA's own electromagnetic radiation. Their research strongly suggests that human DNA is literally a genetic "text"; that chromosomes both produce and receive the information contained in these texts in order to encode and decode them, respectively; and that chromosomes assemble themselves into a holographic lattice designed to generate and interpret highly stable spiral standing waves of sound and light that direct all biological functions.

    One revolutionary implication (of many) of this research is that, to activate and heal DNA, one can simply use our species' supreme expression of consciousness: words. While Western researchers clumsily cut and splice genes, Gariaev's team created sophisticated devices capable of influencing cellular metabolism through sound and light waves keyed to human language frequencies. Using this method, Gariaev proved that chromosomes damaged by X-rays, for instance, can be repaired. Moreover, this was accomplished noninvasively by simply applying vibration and language, or sound combined with intention, or words, to DNA.

    According to Iona Miller and Richard Miller, authors of an article published in Nexus based partly on Gariaev's findings entitled "From Helix to Hologram," "Life is fundamentally electromagnetic rather than chemical, the DNA blueprint functioning as a biohologram which serves as a guiding matrix for organising physical form." The far-reaching implication is that DNA can be activated through conscious linguistic expression (much like an antenna) to modify the human bioenergy fields, which in turn (like orbiting communication satellites) can transmit radio and light waves to modify the physical structure and functioning of the human body."
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    Excellent Rahkyt, thank you. There are a few things I'd like to address.

    Quote Posted by Rahkyt (here)
    On the Echthroi and the deep biological Mitochondria connection I return once again to Madeline L'Engle and a synopsis of the second book in her series, A Wind in the Door:

    Quote Meg Murry is worried about her brother Charles Wallace, a 6-year-old genius who is bullied at school by the other children. The new principal of the elementary school is the former high school principal, Mr. Jenkins, who often disciplined Meg, and who Meg is sure has a grudge against her whole family. Meg tries to enlist Jenkins's help in protecting her brother, but is unsuccessful. On top of this, Meg discovers that Charles Wallace has a progressive disease which is leaving him short of breath. Their mother, a microbiologist, suspects it may have something to do with his mitochondria and the farandolae that live within them.

    One afternoon, Charles Wallace tells Meg he saw a "drive of dragons" in the vegetable garden in their back yard. Meg goes out with him to investigate, but all they find is a pile of very odd feathers. Later, Meg has a frightening encounter with something that looks like Mr. Jenkins. Meg, Charles Wallace, and Calvin O'Keefe discover that Charles Wallace's drive of dragons is a single creature named Proginoskes. Progo, as he is quickly nicknamed, insists on being called "a cherubim" instead of a cherub because he is "practically plural," having a multitude of wings and eyes. The children also encounter a tall robed being named Blajeny, who informs them that he is a Teacher, and that they and Proginoskes have all been called to his class. They also encounter a snake that lives in their wall, Louise the Larger, who is also a Teacher.

    Meg learns that the galaxy is threatened by beings called Echthroi, who seek to erase the entire universe by un-Naming things. She soon has to save Mr. Jenkins from this fate, by Naming him. Part of the task is to distinguish the real Mr. Jenkins from two Echthroi doubles, but it also means that she must look past her personal grudge, find the goodness in Mr. Jenkins, and let herself love him.

    The characters then learn that Echthroi are destroying Charles Wallace's farandolae. They travel inside one of his mitochondria, which is named Yadah, and turn the tide by convincing a larval farandola to take root and accept its role as a mature fara, against the urgings of an Echthros. In the process, Meg is nearly "Xed,"(unnamed) and Mr. Jenkins is invaded by his Echthros doubles. Proginoskes sacrifices himself to "fill in" the emptiness of the Echthroi, Charles Wallace's life is saved, and everything returns to normal.
    It is a short journey from reading tales like this as children to the Gnostic Mysteries. I expect that Mrs. L'Engle is quite well-versed in them. I like using novels, movies and television shows in order to illustrate how the Western collective unconscious seems to be geared toward the expression of certain kinds of stories as opposed to others. How - either through deliberate Elite machinations, unconscious collective resonance or some combination of both - Science Fiction and Fantasy are neither, really, IMO. In an infinite reality with infinite universes, higher and lower dimensions, parallel realities and timelines, all potential thought-creations may find expression somewhere, somewhen. They are "channelings", if you will, that express the possibilities of other pathways taken by a multiversal humanity, all in service to the same creative urges, with the same motivations and the same, basic relationship to creation and being-ness. While the exactness of the science expressed in these stories may not necessarily be correct, the impetus toward consciousness implicit within all of form and matter is an expression of a living truth. From the link you shared with us regarding the Biology of Kundalini:

    Quote In fact we must look to mitochondria as being the chief orchestrators of the entire kundalini alchemy. Mitochondria play a central role in apoptosis by amplifying and mediating extrinsic apoptotic pathways, and in the integration and propagation of death signals originating from inside the cell such as DNA damage, oxidative stress, starvation. Apoptosis is most often induced through the disruption of the mitochondrial inner transmembrane potential and through a sudden increase in the permeability of the inner mitochondrial membrane. This causes an influx of water by osmosis into the mitochondria with the eventual rupture of the outer mitochondrial membrane, resulting in the release of pro-apoptotic proteins from the mitochondrial intermembrane space into the cytoplasm. Proteins released start a apoptosic cascade, ATP synthesis is stopped and free radical generation exceeds the cells antioxidant capacities leading to the oxidation of lipids, proteins, and nucleic acids.

    The apoptosis signalling pathways in viable cells are kept in an inactive state and are only turned on in response to a death stimulus. It is thought that all cells of a multicellular animal might be intrinsically programmed to self-destruct and would die instantaneously unless cell death is continuously repressed by survival signals from growth factors, antioxidants, hormones, nutrients. These anti-apoptotic regulatory molecules keep in check the activation of pro-apoptotic factors. During a die-off however the pro-apoptotic factors become dominant and an exquisite cascade of cell death and self-digestion is set in motion.
    The biological details that you've taken the time to research and incorporate within your musings is key to the realization that it goes much deeper than we are generally willing to believe. To know that DNA has memory, that the seemingly random tales and metaphoric writings were detailing very specific and highly relevant bodily geographies and assigning higher spiritual principles to their subtle workings is to realize that, as far as integrative understandings of the nature of reality are concerned, modern science has quite a long way to go. It also actualizes the knowledge, connects what could be abstract to very real biological potentialities.
    Mitochondria plays a crucial role in ridding the body of ineffectual cells that lose their value with respect to the health of the organism.
    Apoptosis is a naturally occurring process by which a cell is directed to Programmed Cell Death. Apoptosis is based on a genetic program that is an indispensable part of the development and function of an organism. In this process, cells that are no longer needed or that will be detrimental to an organism or tissue are disposed of in a neat and orderly manner; this prevents the development of an inflammatory response, which is often associated with Necrotic cell death. There are at least two broad pathways that lead to Apoptosis, an "Extrinsic" and an "Intrinsic" Pathway.
    Source: http://www.sabiosciences.com/pathway...rial_Apoptosis

    Mitochondria could also act a holobiont. They have a much smaller genome than us and can therefore undergo rapid adaptive procedures in response to environmental selection pressures (source).

    If we consider that DNA acts as a transceiver then environmental selection pressures would extend to include any ELF that the planet produces and any changes in the subtle constructs of our morphogenetic selves.

    Quote Posted by Vivek (here)
    As I'm sure you know, mitochondrial DNA is circular. This is symbolic of the mother, the feminine, the torus, the yoni. It is a complete circle -- connected. [It represents the creative power, the womb]

    Again, just sharing thoughts/concepts/ideas.

    The extreme/outliers/interbreeding "elite" end of the spectrum procreates by selecting mates within certain lineages to preserve and promote certain characteristics. This also has a physically degenerative downside.


    [Side note: For conceptual ease, the below average portion of the population equates to those people that stray furthest from the morphogenetic, subtle architecture of natural humans. The above average portion represents those that closely reflect the true morphogenetic forms of natural humans. Most of the population exists within the bell curve, restoration to true form would be an imperative priority. The Gnostic scriptures detail this as part of rectifying the deficiency. These are merely possibilities.]

    The remedy could be sought through blood drinking ritual. For one side it may have been a non-leathal, artful, mindfully understood ceremony of sorts (Druidry comes to mind) while for the other extreme it exists as a beastly indulgence, driven by a primal, ignorant lust for survival -- I'm sure there are in-betweens.

    The below average portion of the population drink blood to replenish their dry wells. Their spiritual/morphological deficiency also has a corresponding physiological deficiency ... this may be mitochondrion.

    From, www.naturalnews.com
    The mitochondria are a very unique structure within the cell. They are the powerhouse of the cell and are the only intracellular organelle that has its own DNA and is able to divide and replicate on its own. The general consensus among researchers is that mitochondrial dysfunction plays a central role in nearly every degenerative disease.

    [...]

    The major factors involved in poor mitochondrial function include deficiencies in critical cellular nutrients, proprioceptive deficiencies, and environmental toxicity.

    [...]

    Environmental toxins are now more than ever a strong player in creating mitochondrial dysfunction. Major toxins that damage mitochondrial function include heavy metals such as mercury, pesticides/herbicides, air/water pollutants, food preservatives, commercial cleaning agents, and non-stick cookware among others.

    Source: http://www.naturalnews.com/031997_mi...a_support.html
    These are just the physiological benefits and repercussions of healthy and unhealthy mitochondrial content. There is likely a subtle, spiritual aspect to this as well. The alchemical angle would be the middle ground between the physiological (biochemical) and the spiritual aspects.

    This may have to do with mitochondria/mitochondrial DNA in particular. So, they (i.e. "elites") could be having serious problems with their mitochondria -- they have a very little amount and/or it's dysfunctional (not at full capacity).

    Therefore, they resort to the blood drinking rituals we hear about (referenced in Houman's thread and elsewhere). They crave what they are deficient in.

    Here's what's interesting. Modwiz created a new thread recently (thank you sir) where he linked to one of Carmody's threads on the first page.

    Carmody noted a link between lithium and interbreeding "elite" on the extreme end of the bell curve (being more or less a shell of a human) ...

    Lithium enhances mitochondrial function.
    Accumulating evidence suggests that mitochondrial dysfunction plays a critical role in the progression of a variety of neurodegenerative and psychiatric disorders. Thus, enhancing mitochondrial function could potentially help ameliorate the impairments of neural plasticity and cellular resilience associated with a variety of neuropsychiatric disorders. A series of studies was undertaken to investigate the effects of mood stabilizers on mitochondrial function, and against mitochondrially mediated neurotoxicity. We found that long-term treatment with lithium and valproate (VPA) enhanced cell respiration rate.

    [...]

    These findings illustrate that lithium and VPA enhance mitochondrial function and protect against mitochondrially mediated toxicity. These agents may have potential clinical utility in the treatment of other diseases associated with impaired mitochondrial function, such as neurodegenerative diseases and schizophrenia.

    Source: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19149911
    This may explain why they are so interested in lithium. It functions as an ailment to their "defunct" mitochondria.

    I'm speculating of course, but it's chemical benefits may have a corresponding alchemy that eases the morphogenetic, spiritual repercussions of their mitochondrial malady.

    I wasn't sure whether to post that here or in Carmody's thread.

    Quote Posted by Rahkyt (here)
    The difficulty in accepting your last conclusion regarding original sin should be apparent.
    I am inferring that original sin is a morphogenetic "defect" -- of form.

    If this is the case (I'm not saying it is, just entertaining an idea) then it's evidence would be the lack of luminous humans being born with unknotted chakras and fully activated spiritual circuitry -- reflecting their natural morphogentic selves (or something along those lines).

    Rather they are born in a fallen state -- lackluster.

    They can't "get into heaven" -- their kundalini is cut off, blocked from entering the Garden of Eden (metaphorically speaking). The Bible says we must be "free from sin" in order to "enter heaven" -- I'm reading that as meaning free from any unnatural, morphogenetic sinus present in our morphogenetic make up. A sinus meaning an irregular venous cavity.

    Yogis work on purifying the nadis so the prana can flow naturally and awaken the kundalini. During it's ascent it untangles any knotted chakras and allows them to fully bloom.

    The subtle body is now cleared from any unnatural, malformed sinus and the kundalini proceeds to enter the Garden (i.e. reaches heaven, attains nirvana).
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    Quote Posted by Vivek (here)
    This post was copied and pasted from the "Luciferian Agenda" thread.

    It relates to malignant/archontic energy (paralleling the predators described by Don Juan Matus) and the two spiritually distinct races of humans described in previous posts.
    [INDENT][INDENT][INDENT]From Evening Talks With Sri Aurobindo

    Disciple: Men are beings on the physical plane, but they have vital and mental and psychic parts. Do the beings of the vital plane possess also mental and psychic parts?

    Sri Aurobindo: The vital and physical planes are different. On the physical plane there is evolution through different grades of beings: ours is a plane of evolution. On the vital plane there is no evolution. It is a plane of typal beings; there the consciousness does not evolve from one plane to another.
    If Aurobindo was right, then the "ascended master" theology appears to be in part, a creation of archontic energies.

    I do not know if Aurobindo was/is right.

    I do know that I, personally, certainly cannot reconcile my concept of a "loving god" that creates a structure for his children such that the children go through thousands of lifetimes of what sometimes is nothing but a lifetime filled with absolute terror and horror all and only so that their soul can "evolve"... I cannot reconcile that with any "god" I would have anything to do with, that would be acceptable to me.

    But I do believe I could be fooled by being chosen to be a special one which becomes "contacted" by one or more non-physical "energetic" beings that sets me up to buy into some sort of "specialness" about myself and that I fit into this "structure" that is "taught to me by an ascended master" in a high location on what is clearly a pyramidal hierarchical structure.

    Clearly I would experience all sorts of "love/light" and thus I would become a much more loving being. I do not consider that all the interestingly wonderful experiences that follow are what happens in the life of a loving being based on actual metaphysics of love... no, I instead am secretly enamored (and probably do not recognize this myself) about my own "specialness" as one who is so greatly evolved in my soul that I would "choose" to come as a volunteer to earth to assist these poor souls in their soul evolution process. I never realize I am simply a tool in the arsenal of nefarious forces.

    So i smell a rat when it comes to "ascended master" theology (programming). If there be a "god" - the "god" of that type of structure would never, ever be acceptable to me... and maybe I will be proven wrong and maybe my next experience once this physical body stops functioning will be a massive soul lesson that I was wrong but I can guarantee you that whatever is me will never, ever buy into that paradigm.

    But I am simple minded in this way.

    And we are all allowed to decide for ourselves what is true or not when it comes to anything and everything outside of the actual observable material world ( and even in the waking state, material world reality we can interpret the same experiences / events / objects differently).

    One of the biggest things that concerns me is when others imply via an authoritative voice with nothing but their own experience to go on which cannot be validated that their type of paradigm they have concluded is "the right and only accurate and actual" paradigm while "your experiences" with perhaps what appears to sometimes be experiences that spill over into the physical realms, whether something we might call a demon and/or something we have been hearing about through researchers who have acquired testimony of first hand encounters, for example - reptilian appearing beings that then want to have some sort of strange sex with their human target and where the targets end up with physical marks that they use to support that their experience actually happened (what some have argued away via the reference to "stigmata") - that their paradigm is the true one while another person's experiences that then generate what for them is a paradigm of sorts is delusions of that person's mind.

    How can an intelligent person that believes they are loving and honest not question a bit their own conclusions?

    I clearly must be an exception that I survived myself and finally began to question.

    And if we take a third party observer... someone who has known me my entire life and that observer was there with me on April 26th, 2012 when I discovered Houman's Horus-Ra thread and I announced "Depression over" to the loved ones I was living with and I have shot straight up along the lines of emotional / mental health all and only through the help of this forum and a strict regimen of self honesty... something suggests the rat I smell may very well be more than simple delusions... but again, I am simple minded this way and I guess this is just my odds making talent leaking through into my analysis of what might be ailing humanity.

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    Quote That was me recklessly regurgitating partially digested information. I've learned not to speak in definitives because I really have no idea what's real.

    Hence the playing around with ideas and not believing what I think.

    I've gone back and read posts I've written a year ago and some of them make me cringe. The meeting of the minds here has helped me through a lot. I've had to pull my foot out of my mouth many times here and I continuously check to make sure my heads not in my arse. There was a post I made some time ago (within the year) where I vowed not to post recklessly and without deliberation. I'm trying my best to do that (albeit I've moved away from casting my opinions around and moved towards posting from a contemplative, creative standpoint). Anyways, I'm rambling.

    And thanks!
    Me too, bro - samo samo... thanks for being my friend all through those darker days - as for me, the facts are what they are and that means I am still quite capable of posting some absolutely idiotic stuff and that I am still quite heavily archontically compromised - I was diagnosed by several "doctors" as a classic bi-polar... makes me think sometimes am I an almost 50/50 hydrid? And I say that because I understand psychopathy because I am partly a psychopath... maybe not full blown but definitely partly. Just like an alcoholic/drug addict that has been able to achieve physical sobriety and wakes up every day with one main goal - "Today I will not take a drink or drug" I wake up every day and say, "I will not allow that viciousness within me to overtake me."

    A third party observer would say, "Jeeee, Chester... nice words but why are you not letting go of Ray? You are nothing but a biting dog that won't let go." I will tell you why - my 18 year old son is in jail today in part because of the overall conditions that are at certain peaks within the United States and these paradigms (such as ascended master theology) play a roll in how these conditions came forth so I point out each and every aspect of what I call "the archontic deception" and no, I will never, ever back down on it and I do this for all parents who have children (no matter who they are nor how caught up they are in their own life within this overall archontic structure) as I am betting on the fact that deep down inside each and every parent secretly wishes their child would not have to enter into the archontic program. I am speaking about those who are consciously aware of the archontic structure and believe they are aware of the archontic goals and have played a willing (or at least semi willing) role on the side of the archons. Just like I have for 48 years I am aware of and sadly sometimes may still be.

    Yes, there may be a few who do not have children and have never found empathy for other children. Yes, there may be a few who have children and cannot connect with any part within themselves that secretly wishes their children did not have to carry on the tradition.

    But those two groups I just pointed out are very, very small. By starting at the outer edges of the circle - a circle which has light shadows on the outside but in the center becomes the blackest of blacks, this can, step by step, be overcome.

    I am certain there is love. I am equally certain love wins all bets. That's why I bet on love. We shall see.
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    Quote Posted by Marin (here)
    Quote Posted by Vivek (here)
    Now, consider morphogenetics alongside DNA acting as a transceiver and the nature of thought (being a myriad of unique, interacting interference patterns of light/EM spectrum).

    DNA could act as a receiver for a particular resonance unique to the planet and/or it is structurally subtle enough to pick up the underlying "spiritual field"
    described in earlier posts. It picks up the resonance/field and projects it into form. I picture this concept as being similar to shining a beam of light through a lens with a design etched on it -- this distorts the light into a different pattern or form based on the etch. Imagine the light projecting the pattern in three dimensions.

    This is the form that the coding DNA follows. The coding DNA provides the bricks and mortar, while portions of the non-coding DNA provide (i.e. project the form) the blueprints.

    Another thing that may be passed on genetically is memory. It is dormant within our DNA. This is truly our connection to our ancestors, and also to any past traumas our species went through. This memory would also include archetypes and the like. It is accessed through form. To read it would be like reading a book, to view it would be like viewing a hologram (it might be intense, like nearly experiencing it). I have explored a physiological, physics base mechanism in which this could actually be possible here (the portion about the pineal gland).
    "Down in the depths of every human being, there is an ancestral, visceral [* visceral- obtained through intuition rather than from reasoning or observation] knowledge about the predators' existence." - Don Juan
    Just think about how much information can be encoded by binary systems (ones and zeros). Now, imagine how much information could be contained in a quaternary system (A,G,T,C). Just around 2% of the human genome accounts for the bricks and mortar of each and every complexity in the human body. So much is contained in that 2% alone, imagine the potential amount of information in the rest.

    It's all very fascinating.
    Great post Vivek. Some of the connections you've made in this thread (and others) are indeed fascinating. I'm just having one hell of a time trying to keep up.

    As we've discussed earlier, I'm interested in this particular piece of the puzzle: the role of DNA and consciousness. I've "stolen" a few bits from a previous post of mine, Junk DNA or a primer for universal consciousness: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post270191

    I'm thinking this material might be useful in terms of putting together some of the connections you've highlighted earlier. In particular, the connection between morphogenetics and DNA.

    In a paper entitled "A Holographic Concept of Reality" first appearing in Psychoenergetic Systems in 1975, a team of researchers headlined by Richard Miller outlined a compelling model of "ener-genetic" expression resulting in "precipitated reality": "Superposed coherent waves of different types in the cells interact to form diffraction patterns, firstly in the acoustic [i.e., sound] domain, secondly in the electromagnetic [light] domain." This leads to the manifestation of physical form as a "quantum hologram—a translation between acoustical and optical holograms." Significantly, this sound-light translation that creates the experience of reality occurs in the genome.

    It is becoming apparent that DNA directs cellular metabolism and replication not just biochemically but electromagnetically through mechanisms that translate sound into light waves, and vice versa. Sound and light, or phonons and photons, establish a sophisticated communication network throughout the physical organism that extends into the bioenergy fields and back to the cellular and subcellular levels.

    Recalling Edgar Cayce's prediction that "sound would be the medicine of the future," Jonathan Goldman in Healing Sounds: The Power of Harmonics coined the following inspirational formula: sound + intention = healing. If we define intention as a form of conscious light energy roughly equivalent to thought, an idea consistent with many shamanic traditions such as that of the Toltecs of Mesoamerica, we can translate Goldman's formula as: SOUND + LIGHT = HEALING.

    Russian scientists Peter Gariaev and Vladimir Poponin have also explored DNA’s extraordinary electromagnetic properties. Their research shows that DNA has a special ability to attract photons, causing the latter to spiral along the helix-shaped DNA molecule instead of along a linear path. In other words, DNA has the amazing ability to bend or weave light around itself.

    In addition, it appears that a previously undetected form of intelligent light or intention energy (emanating from higher dimensions and distinguishable from electromagnetic radiation) which the Russian scientists dubbed "torsion radiation" after its twisting shape, gives rise to DNA. "A unified subliminal field of potentially universal consciousness apparently exists," writes Horowitz on the subject of the Russian studies, "and may be explained as emerging from a previously overlooked physical vacuum."

    This breakthrough research establishes that torsion energy permeates the entire multidimensional galaxy and not only is responsive to but may indeed be consciousness. "To put it as bluntly as possible. You cannot separate consciousness and torsion waves—they are the same thing. When we use our minds to think, we are creating movements of electrical impulses in the brain, and when any electrical energy moves, torsion waves are also created."

    According to the Russian findings, notes author Wynn Free, "this spiraling 'torsion' energy could actually be the substance of our human souls, and is therefore the precursor to the DNA molecule ... It already exists in the fabric of space and time before any physical life emerges." Elsewhere, Free remarks of transposons that these tiny segments of DNA can literally travel along the genome activating different parts of it when prompted by consciousness. In keeping with Gariaev's "Wave-based Genome Theory," Free concludes that DNA functions "somewhat like a computer chip, with different sections that can either be 'on' or 'off.'" Thus we can easily imagine how the torsion waves of human consciousness could actually program, or reprogram, DNA's binary code.

    Similarly, the Gariaev group demonstrated that chromosomes function much like (re)programmable holographic biocomputers employing DNA's own electromagnetic radiation. Their research strongly suggests that human DNA is literally a genetic "text"; that chromosomes both produce and receive the information contained in these texts in order to encode and decode them, respectively; and that chromosomes assemble themselves into a holographic lattice designed to generate and interpret highly stable spiral standing waves of sound and light that direct all biological functions.

    One revolutionary implication (of many) of this research is that, to activate and heal DNA, one can simply use our species' supreme expression of consciousness: words. While Western researchers clumsily cut and splice genes, Gariaev's team created sophisticated devices capable of influencing cellular metabolism through sound and light waves keyed to human language frequencies. Using this method, Gariaev proved that chromosomes damaged by X-rays, for instance, can be repaired. Moreover, this was accomplished noninvasively by simply applying vibration and language, or sound combined with intention, or words, to DNA.

    According to Iona Miller and Richard Miller, authors of an article published in Nexus based partly on Gariaev's findings entitled "From Helix to Hologram," "Life is fundamentally electromagnetic rather than chemical, the DNA blueprint functioning as a biohologram which serves as a guiding matrix for organising physical form." The far-reaching implication is that DNA can be activated through conscious linguistic expression (much like an antenna) to modify the human bioenergy fields, which in turn (like orbiting communication satellites) can transmit radio and light waves to modify the physical structure and functioning of the human body."
    Marin, this is an incredible post -- thank you. The correlations almost seem surreal.

    I will add the work of Luc Montagnier to this as it relates to the thread.

    What is Life? A Non-Particle View


    [There is overlapping dialogue around 9:30 to 11:00 minutes but it goes away.]

    Please, watch the video and read the information in Marin's post.

    This is getting good.

    In the proto-planetary womb of Gaia there would be a cocktail of commodities.

    Here are a few excerpts from an article linked to in The Mechanics of the Matrix thread.
    Most water on Earth was not produced here - it came from space. This is old news for astronomers, but until now water-producing factories had not been observed at work in space. Nor was it possible to trace water at the different stages of its long journey through space. Very little information about cosmic water can be obtained from the ground - primarily because the Earth's atmosphere is itself rich in water vapour and blocks our view of the water in the Universe beyond. ISO helped astronomers to reconstruct for the first time the cosmic cycle of water.

    [...]

    Atoms and molecules in space are identified by comparing their spectra - a signal that is unique to each compound and hence can be used as a 'signature' - with that of known compounds obtained in the laboratory. But sometimes no match is found, and then astronomers cannot identify what molecule they have detected. That is the case with one of the most ubiquitous molecules detected so far, a group of compounds that have left their chemical fingerprint in many places in the Universe. They are known to be complex carbonaceous molecules, made of more than a hundred carbon atoms; their abundance shows that a very rich and active organic chemistry is taking place around the stars and in the space between them.

    ISO confirmed the presence of these compounds in many different environments, and gave some clues about their nature. Some ISO data, for instance the very recent identification of benzene in space (See also ISO detects benzene in space) suggest that these molecules have an 'aromatic' structure, that is, they are ring-shaped molecules. That is in fact the most accepted view among astronomers, most of which already call these carbonaceous compounds 'Polycyclic Aromatic Hydrocarbons', or 'PAHs'.

    The ring-shaped structure is relevant, since life as we know it is based - among other things - on the ability of the carbon atom to form ringed molecules.

    [...]

    Dust is the most abundant raw material in the Universe. Planets, comets... they are all made from reprocessed dust: particles often much smaller than one thousandth of a millimetre and of varied chemical composition. As in the case of water, there is a 'dust-cycle' taking place in the Universe. Stars expel dust when they are old, the dust forms dense clouds in interstellar space, and new stars - and often planetary systems - are formed from the dust in that cloud. When the new stars become old and expel dust themselves the cycle closes (although the dust will be more processed and therefore with a slightly different chemistry). Thanks to ISO, astronomers can now 'trace' some of this dust through different stages of its cycle.

    ISO discovered in 1998 that crystallised silicates - such as the green crystal olivine - are a main component of dust. (See also The crystalline revolution: ISO's finding opens a new research field, 'astro-mineralogy' .) This triggered a `crystalline revolution' in the astronomical world, because it meant that silicates, which are a large family of compounds, could be specifically identified. Silicates are the most abundant minerals on Earth and were also known to be very common in space, but it had been assumed that cosmic dust silicates had, in general, an amorphous structure. The fact that their structure is crystalline and not amorphous allows astronomers to identify each crystal, track its presence in different regions and follow its journey through space.

    So far crystalline silicates have been found in the circumstellar discs around evolved stars where they are synthesised; in comets, such as comet Hale-Bopp and in protoplanetary discs, where they act as building blocks for new planets. Experts in space chemistry still do not understand how crystalline silicates are formed, but they can already celebrate the birth of a new field of research - 'astro-mineralogy'.

    Source: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post546766
    The magnetic field of the earth is layered. Starting from the ground is the troposphere. Then there is the stratosphere, mesosphere, thermosphere, ionosphere, protonosphere, plasmasphere, and the magnetosphere (source). Whew!

    Let's rewind time to right after the planet began to take shape.

    Within this toroidal womb there are the aforementioned ingredients.

    The ones of principle interest are:
    1. Crystalline-like dust particles

    2. A concoction of organic molecules (and probably some inorganic ones)

    3. Water
    Within the toroidal field, or womb, surrounding Gaia (after the formation of a crystalline core) there is a resonant frequency. This is before the planet has "fully developed" ...

    Keep in mind the ingredients and the resonant frequency (the Shumann Resonance as mentioned in the video).

    There was (and still is) plasma within earth's magnetic field.

    Here are some excerpts of interest from science.howstuffworks.com
    When plasma comes into contact with a dust cloud, dust particles gather an electric charge by sucking up electrons from the surrounding plasma. This core of electrons in turn pulls in positively charged ions, forming plasma crystals. In the scientists' simulations, which were performed on the International Space Station and in a zero-gravity environment at a German research facility, the plasma crystals sometimes developed into corkscrew shapes or even the double-helix shape of DNA. These helix-shaped crystals retain an electric charge and show what the researchers called a self-organizing ability.

    Once in helix form, the crystals can reproduce by diving into two identical helixes, displaying "memory marks" on their structures [source: New Journal of Physics]. The diameter of the helixes varies throughout the structure and the arrangement of these various sections is replicated in other crystals, passing on what could be called a form of genetic code.

    They even seem to evolve. The formations become sturdier over time as weaker structures break down and disappear.

    Source: http://science.howstuffworks.com/weird-life.htm
    Here is an explanation for the prototype of our own DNA.

    Again, please watch the video.

    Couple all of this with the theories of Rupert Sheldrake.

    Life begins to grow from it's most subtle aspects and evolves toward increasing complexity. The most subtle form of pure consciousness is this pervasive, placid field.

    The next step would be how this energy interacts with the very geometry of space -- torsional, gyred.

    This coagulates the energy into a denser form, albeit it is still very subtle. This could correspond to the mental plane.

    The next step is matter, on the atomic level. These fine, helical like structures are delicate enough to receive this slightly coagulated energy. They react to it by transmuting it to project a form. The form being a subtle construct that coagulates this energy into an even denser state.

    This could correspond to the vital plane.

    Now there are layers developing.

    It is at this primal stage of development that exotic, "DNA-based" life could have began to evolve.

    Quote Posted by Vivek (here)
    This core is crystalline (as described above). The matter of the core only takes up a small space compared to the cavity that it's field creates. Consider morphogenetic fields and helical, crystalline-like structures. Without producing material organisms these morphogenetic fields could have still been evolving without a full grown planet.

    Imagine the crystalline core surrounded by a gigantic haze of dust. This is all enveloped in the magnetic field (i.e. the torus, the womb). The core is producing a resonant frequency and these helical, crystalline structures in the womb are receiving it, modulating it based on their individual structures, and projecting morphogenetic fields. This is an enclosed system. Within this system there are changes and interactions between developing sub-systems. An adaptive process is taking place before the planet even grows to maturity (i.e. grows in size, gains weight by gravitational processes -- pregnant women do gain weight, just an observation).
    Complex adaptive systems are special cases of complex systems, often defined as a 'complex macroscopic collection' of relatively 'similar and partially connected micro-structures' – formed in order to adapt to the changing environment, and increase its survivability as a macro-structure.

    They are complex; in that they are dynamic networks of interactions, and their relationships are not aggregations of the individual static entities. They are adaptive; in that the individual and collective behavior mutate and self-organize corresponding to the change-provoking micro-event or collection of events.

    Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Complex_adaptive_system
    Eventually, an order is reached. A harmony if you will. A stable holoarchy has emerged within this field and learned to dance in harmony with the music of the sphere.

    The morphogenetic constructs that persevered would be the templates for organic life (when the planet settles in to it's current size, and cools enough to allow the genesis of organic life).
    These vital beings could have existed as luminous, morphological constructs (imperceptible to our physical eyes). Imagine. They could have had a whole system, a civilization in a sense we aren't familiar with. It reminds me of Atlantis when the earth was still undergoing major changes.

    More complex helical structures began taking shape as the planet cooled and more complex organic molecules began to interact. Another layer was added, the energy densified again, and these vital constructs eventually evolved to encompass physical bodies.

    This all reminds me of the concentric shells of existence that is described in esoteric literature.

    It seems that DNA has a strong connection with the resonance of the planet. The question to ask is - has the frequency the planet produces always been the same?

    If not, I wonder if it would change again and what that would mean for us.

    There was also this comment from a previous post:
    Now, reincarnation.

    Past lives would also be encoded into our DNA if indeed portions of our non-coding DNA detail an ancestral history. So, maybe my morphological construct is extremely similar to one that lived a few centuries back. That would mean my DNA is similar in many respects. Maybe I physically look similar to how he looked. Maybe I think similarly to how he thought. His memories may exist as information imprinted within the vast storehouse of data in my own particular DNA.

    Past life regression therapy may tap into this aspect of our DNA and we are able to access past memories subconsciously because they are encoded by the same portions of our DNA that dictate our morphogenetic constructs. So, it's not that the same soul reincarnates, but it is closely re-formed from however the information was left in the DNA and according to the formulation of the subtle causeways in our morphological construct/subtle body (there are many more factors to acknowledge).

    This would mean that reincarnation is a phenomena that is largely passed along genetically. This idea runs into problems because if someone doesn't bear any offspring then their memories/experiences/constructs aren't passed along. This is just an idea though, it doesn't have to be a definitive answer. There may be another mechanism at play that would patch that problem, but that'll have to be for another post.
    I think that patch I was looking for is in the information in Marin's post and the video above.

    Lastly, I'll add this from a PM exchange.
    I've thought about reincarnation being based largely on morphogenetic, "non-coding" aspects of DNA. Then there's the whole idea of "soul groups" that "incarnate" during the same time periods. So, it could be that the morphogenetic, "non-coding" aspect of DNA is cyclical. It contains our entire ancestral history and spiritual heritage and somehow there is some synchronous aspect where certain morphogenetic blueprints get expressed at the same time. Like it's cycling through and spiraling upwards -- evolution.
    The earth contains all of the factors that were necessary for the genetic information to imprint itself in water as it did in Luc Montagnier's experiments (maybe it does this in the mesosphere or plasmasphere, it reminds me of the Akashic Records).

    Think about it. It's all very fascinating.
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    I'm posting mainly to bookmark this great thread but I will ask a question.

    Vivek, is there in your opinion any method by which we may restore ourselves to our naturally divine status?

    (Particularly when it comes to unknotting the Chakra's)

    I could also do with a very simplistic summary of the whole Horus-Ra Archonic problem,
    which I am finding it hard to get my head around.

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    Quote Posted by Marin (here)
    Quote Posted by Vivek (here)
    Now, consider morphogenetics alongside DNA acting as a transceiver and the nature of thought (being a myriad of unique, interacting interference patterns of light/EM spectrum).

    DNA could act as a receiver for a particular resonance unique to the planet and/or it is structurally subtle enough to pick up the underlying "spiritual field"
    described in earlier posts. It picks up the resonance/field and projects it into form. I picture this concept as being similar to shining a beam of light through a lens with a design etched on it -- this distorts the light into a different pattern or form based on the etch. Imagine the light projecting the pattern in three dimensions.

    This is the form that the coding DNA follows. The coding DNA provides the bricks and mortar, while portions of the non-coding DNA provide (i.e. project the form) the blueprints.

    Another thing that may be passed on genetically is memory. It is dormant within our DNA. This is truly our connection to our ancestors, and also to any past traumas our species went through. This memory would also include archetypes and the like. It is accessed through form. To read it would be like reading a book, to view it would be like viewing a hologram (it might be intense, like nearly experiencing it). I have explored a physiological, physics base mechanism in which this could actually be possible here (the portion about the pineal gland).
    "Down in the depths of every human being, there is an ancestral, visceral [* visceral- obtained through intuition rather than from reasoning or observation] knowledge about the predators' existence." - Don Juan
    Just think about how much information can be encoded by binary systems (ones and zeros). Now, imagine how much information could be contained in a quaternary system (A,G,T,C). Just around 2% of the human genome accounts for the bricks and mortar of each and every complexity in the human body. So much is contained in that 2% alone, imagine the potential amount of information in the rest.

    It's all very fascinating.
    Great post Vivek. Some of the connections you've made in this thread (and others) are indeed fascinating. I'm just having one hell of a time trying to keep up.

    As we've discussed earlier, I'm interested in this particular piece of the puzzle: the role of DNA and consciousness. I've "stolen" a few bits from a previous post of mine, Junk DNA or a primer for universal consciousness: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post270191

    I'm thinking this material might be useful in terms of putting together some of the connections you've highlighted earlier. In particular, the connection between morphogenetics and DNA.

    In a paper entitled "A Holographic Concept of Reality" first appearing in Psychoenergetic Systems in 1975, a team of researchers headlined by Richard Miller outlined a compelling model of "ener-genetic" expression resulting in "precipitated reality": "Superposed coherent waves of different types in the cells interact to form diffraction patterns, firstly in the acoustic [i.e., sound] domain, secondly in the electromagnetic [light] domain." This leads to the manifestation of physical form as a "quantum hologram—a translation between acoustical and optical holograms." Significantly, this sound-light translation that creates the experience of reality occurs in the genome.

    It is becoming apparent that DNA directs cellular metabolism and replication not just biochemically but electromagnetically through mechanisms that translate sound into light waves, and vice versa. Sound and light, or phonons and photons, establish a sophisticated communication network throughout the physical organism that extends into the bioenergy fields and back to the cellular and subcellular levels.

    Recalling Edgar Cayce's prediction that "sound would be the medicine of the future," Jonathan Goldman in Healing Sounds: The Power of Harmonics coined the following inspirational formula: sound + intention = healing. If we define intention as a form of conscious light energy roughly equivalent to thought, an idea consistent with many shamanic traditions such as that of the Toltecs of Mesoamerica, we can translate Goldman's formula as: SOUND + LIGHT = HEALING.

    Russian scientists Peter Gariaev and Vladimir Poponin have also explored DNA’s extraordinary electromagnetic properties. Their research shows that DNA has a special ability to attract photons, causing the latter to spiral along the helix-shaped DNA molecule instead of along a linear path. In other words, DNA has the amazing ability to bend or weave light around itself.

    In addition, it appears that a previously undetected form of intelligent light or intention energy (emanating from higher dimensions and distinguishable from electromagnetic radiation) which the Russian scientists dubbed "torsion radiation" after its twisting shape, gives rise to DNA. "A unified subliminal field of potentially universal consciousness apparently exists," writes Horowitz on the subject of the Russian studies, "and may be explained as emerging from a previously overlooked physical vacuum."

    This breakthrough research establishes that torsion energy permeates the entire multidimensional galaxy and not only is responsive to but may indeed be consciousness. "To put it as bluntly as possible. You cannot separate consciousness and torsion waves—they are the same thing. When we use our minds to think, we are creating movements of electrical impulses in the brain, and when any electrical energy moves, torsion waves are also created."

    According to the Russian findings, notes author Wynn Free, "this spiraling 'torsion' energy could actually be the substance of our human souls, and is therefore the precursor to the DNA molecule ... It already exists in the fabric of space and time before any physical life emerges." Elsewhere, Free remarks of transposons that these tiny segments of DNA can literally travel along the genome activating different parts of it when prompted by consciousness. In keeping with Gariaev's "Wave-based Genome Theory," Free concludes that DNA functions "somewhat like a computer chip, with different sections that can either be 'on' or 'off.'" Thus we can easily imagine how the torsion waves of human consciousness could actually program, or reprogram, DNA's binary code.

    Similarly, the Gariaev group demonstrated that chromosomes function much like (re)programmable holographic biocomputers employing DNA's own electromagnetic radiation. Their research strongly suggests that human DNA is literally a genetic "text"; that chromosomes both produce and receive the information contained in these texts in order to encode and decode them, respectively; and that chromosomes assemble themselves into a holographic lattice designed to generate and interpret highly stable spiral standing waves of sound and light that direct all biological functions.

    One revolutionary implication (of many) of this research is that, to activate and heal DNA, one can simply use our species' supreme expression of consciousness: words. While Western researchers clumsily cut and splice genes, Gariaev's team created sophisticated devices capable of influencing cellular metabolism through sound and light waves keyed to human language frequencies. Using this method, Gariaev proved that chromosomes damaged by X-rays, for instance, can be repaired. Moreover, this was accomplished noninvasively by simply applying vibration and language, or sound combined with intention, or words, to DNA.

    According to Iona Miller and Richard Miller, authors of an article published in Nexus based partly on Gariaev's findings entitled "From Helix to Hologram," "Life is fundamentally electromagnetic rather than chemical, the DNA blueprint functioning as a biohologram which serves as a guiding matrix for organising physical form." The far-reaching implication is that DNA can be activated through conscious linguistic expression (much like an antenna) to modify the human bioenergy fields, which in turn (like orbiting communication satellites) can transmit radio and light waves to modify the physical structure and functioning of the human body."
    This is sooooo interesting. Thank you Marin, and Vivek.

    I must tell a weird story that happened to me years ago and that correspond to what is written here. It is not scientific at all, just a very personal experience. I had doubts about what was happening but was not sure. Now reading these post, it is almost a 100% correspondance.

    About 10 months to 1 years before getting pregnant, I had a clear vision of a blue print of a baby, there, hanging in space in front of my eyes, not a formed baby but a blueprint, like energy waves outlining the outer and inner organs without skins or color. The holographic lattice, the guiding matrice, in the intention before being activated in chromosomes.

    Also, for a very specific reason that would take too much writing to tell, I could determine counting backward the exact day my ovum was fertilised (7 days after) and therefore I knew the probabilities for a daughter were something like 99%.

    And I remembered something that happened on that day. When I got pregnant, meaning that fertilisation occured, on that day, I had a very strange vision, around 4 AM, I saw from the sky (yes my roof was off or kind of) a vortex opening. In fact I always called it a vortex until today.

    It was a spiraling torsion kind of, and from it a beam of light, intense and condensed (not dispersing light as usual) hit my house, and the corner of my room (and for those ET fanatics, no it does not feel like ET anything). It was very vivid. I had the feeling that my child had incarnated in that day, the day of conception. So crazy that I never talk about it. But it fits completely with what the Russians thought.

    Quote this spiraling 'torsion' energy could actually be the substance of our human souls, and is therefore the precursor to the DNA molecule ... It already exists in the fabric of space and time before any physical life emerges."
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    Quote Posted by AwakeInADream (here)
    I'm posting mainly to bookmark this great thread but I will ask a question.

    Vivek, is there in your opinion any method by which we may restore ourselves to our naturally divine status?

    (Particularly when it comes to unknotting the Chakra's)

    I could also do with a very simplistic summary of the whole Horus-Ra Archonic problem,
    which I am finding it hard to get my head around.
    I'm sure there is ...

    Unfortunately, I'm probably not the best person to ask for advice about it.

    As far as a simplistic summary. A straightforward, concise summary would be nice -- assuming someone could trim off all the deceit. This is something I am working towards.
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    (Picking jaw up off floor) - What an incredible thread ! I'm in awe at anyone who can write so prolifically as you do Vivek. Linking in so nicely with Modwiz's thread.

    Just an opinion - now that 2012 has been consigned to the history books (well, in the solar calendar at least), wouldn't it be nice if we could focus our attention on topics like this and start to make some real collaborative progress in our spiritual evolution ?

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    Check this guy, a theory on the soul, scientific research, thanks to Apokalypse thread.

    https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...ul-s-existence

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    A couple of things...

    There is a 'childlike' wonder and curiosity going on here that is powerful, without anyone touting and I find that incredible...and a key to our 'getting it' and expanding this sharing and knowledge quickly, imho.

    And again...I have well over 1300 hours in 5 years of taking the sunlght in through my eyes during meditation and I feel there is a connection with sungazing and this...now there is much more to this process, I'm sure...but much of what is being shared here I have experienced in some way. The few weeks in January of 2007 when I was vibrating sky high from a shock/start of direct solar connection I would take 1 hour cat naps(wasn't sleeping much) each day with intense movie-like choreographic 'lessons/teachings' of some kind being played in an intense dream-like arena, consistently day to day. I actually saw similar pictures of things being brought out here.

    Thank You All

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    Quote Posted by Vivek (here)
    Marin, this is an incredible post -- thank you. The correlations almost seem surreal.

    I will add the work of Luc Montagnier to this as it relates to the thread.

    What is Life? A Non-Particle View


    [There is overlapping dialogue around 9:30 to 11:00 minutes but it goes away.]

    Please, watch the video and read the information in Marin's post.

    This is getting good.

    In the proto-planetary womb of Gaia there would be a cocktail of commodities.
    For those that may not be familiar with Montagnier's work - here's a brief summary. I thought this might be helpful as it relates to some of the material already presented.

    http://www.21stcenturysciencetech.co...Montagnier.pdf

    "Luc Montagnier has brought together new evidence for a non-particle view of life. The emission of low-frequency electromagnetic waves from bacterial DNA sequences, and the ability of these waves to organize nucleotides (the raw material of DNA) into new bacterial DNA, by mediation of structures within water."

    And....
    http://www.pharmaworldmagazine.com/a...-duplicate-dna

    "Experiments carried out by French Nobelist Luc Montagnier may represent the beginning of a new scientific revolution: it would be possible, according to Montaigner’s results, to duplicate viral and bacterial DNA in the absence of the physical template of the DNA itself. Coding information would be transmitted by electromagnetic waves generating from water molecules."

    "....The next step in the experiment consisted in recording the em emissions coming from water on a physical support, such as a CD or a pendrive. This “em genetic code” file has then been used to irradiated a second vial containing sterile water. Montagnier’s group showed that if, after a proper time of incubation, primers and nucleotides are added to this second vial and PCR reaction is performed it is possible to isolate a DNA almost identical to the original one from which the “water template” was obtained. «Our hypothesis is that the DNA replicates on the basis of the em signals it has transmitted to water. It would thus possible to synthetise different types of DNA according to the specific em impulse transmitted». According to the new theory, nucleotides in water solution would be “ordered” by the em memory encoded by water in such a way to replicate the original DNA sequence.

    According to the quantistic fields theory, many properties of the matter would result from the sum of microscopic vortex, in a process called coherence. It is something similar to what happens in a biological tissue, such as epidermis, where cells are functionally linked and coordinated. «If, for some issue, tissue cells loose their coherence and coordination and acquire again all their degrees of freedom a tumor starts to grow.»

    In the case of DNA replication, the transmission of em signals by water would occur in the form of a vortex of coherence; its quite long timelife allows for the creation of an high energy coherent excitation, which is the responsible for the activation of water electrons in the receiving vial."

    The work has revolutionary implications for biology and our whole understanding of the universe.

    David Wilcock, in his recent book, The Source Field Investigations, highlighted Montagnier's recent work: "DNA may well be created by a quantum template that we can't even see or measure directly, but exists as a structure in the Source Field. Could this energetic structure gather photons, atoms, and molecules together - to spiral life as we know it into existence? The answers may very well be staring us in the face, as Montagnier just discovered - but most scientists don't want to go there."

    *********

    With regard to the video Vivek posted (What is life? A Non Partical View), here are a few of my favorite bits:

    Quote "The evidence is always on the biochemical.
    The question is: what else is it doing? Is it just a chemical signaler?
    Now we know: DNA is putting out light, receiving light, putting out low freq radio waves and receiving it."
    Quote "We've tried to reduce biology and even cognition to the laws of physics and chemistry.
    It has to be done the other way around.
    The higher domain defines the lower domain.
    The laws of physics and chemistry are incomplete."
    Quote "Gurwitsch and Popp reference biophotons....emission in the UV range
    Montagnier: speaks about emission in the radio range.
    Between them you've got the whole spectrum."
    ***
    Quote "The effect that Montagnier was studying was dependent on external EM activation/stimulation...something which could possibly be related to the Schumann resonance - the surface of the earth and the ionosphere. The ionosphere itself has an intimate connection with solar and cosmic radiation."

    "Montagnier points out a similar frequency range, as is produced in this kind of biospheric resonating cavity of the whole earth, is produced in higher organism like ourselves...in our central nervous system."

    "Like a kind of nested relationship. On the one hand, take some relationship that may exist with respect to a microbial organism in the biosphere as a whole. A sort of evolutionary process is able to encapsulate that in a higher organism."
    ***
    Quote "How would a pyhsicists define life?
    On one hand, particulate and corpuscular and on the other hand, wavelike and continuous.
    Every piece of matter having a more complex wavelike property: polyphonic.
    A Beethoven symphony...If only Beethoven went into physics. "

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    This “em genetic code” file has then been used to irradiate a second vial containing sterile water. Montagnier’s group showed that if, after a proper time of incubation, primers and nucleotides are added to this second vial and PCR reaction is performed it is possible to isolate a DNA almost identical to the original one from which the “water template” was obtained.

    [...]
    ... or how to induce fast spreading cancers into bodies of undesirable whistle blowers... via EM waves.

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    Interesting....Water corresponds and represents a large portion of the psyche which is the emotional body. We tend to be ruled by the emotional body. It has subtle bodies or fields that compose it on different levels, it can be used as a means of control or be a means of freedom.

    Nearly all control is imposed on the the field of the emotional body--water body.

    Conversely this field when clearer picks up more subtle energy and the entire body becomes more aware of 'unseen' things.

    To un-knot the chakras one has to address the emotional body first.

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    In ancient times, Jaynes noted, gods were generally much more numerous and much more anthropomorphic than in modern times, and speculates that this was because each bicameral person had their own "god" who reflected their own desires and experiences. He also noted that in ancient societies the corpses of the dead were often treated as though still alive (being seated, dressed and even fed) and argued that the dead bodies were presumed to be still living and the source of auditory hallucinations (see ancestor worship). This adaptation to the village communities of 100 individuals or more formed the core of religion. Unlike today's hallucinations, the voices of ancient times were structured by cultural norms to produce a seamlessly functioning society. In Ancient Greek culture there is often mention of the Logos, which is a very similar concept. It was a type of guiding voice that was heard as from a seemingly external source.

    Jaynes inferred that these "voices" came from the right brain counterparts of the left brain language centres—specifically, the counterparts to Wernicke's area and Broca's area. These regions are somewhat dormant in the right brains of most modern humans, but Jaynes noted that some studies show that auditory hallucinations correspond to increased activity in these areas of the brain.


    It’s interesting to notice that cultures that have draconic archetypes as heavy signifier or known cultural shapes such as the early gaels, celts and the Chinese are very much into ancestor ‘worship’. The druids would cast bones (runes) of ancestors, of a particular person and convey what the blood had to tell. The bones of the ancestors would create some stirring the individuals and the druid could hear/read whatever the blood had to tell.


    Having a well developed psychic center for lack of a better word, when non intuitive information began coming to me it was so different than to what I’d pick up on intuitive level I was able to identify it as DNA-speak. That realization took place though over a long period of time mostly because so much of it was so ancestor based.

    Which has led me to wonder if there’s a difference between the two at all save for the level or field that it is given from.


    The Demiurge, isolated, did not behold his mother, nor anyone else, concluded that only he himself existed, being ignorant of the superior levels of reality.

    It that has given us it’s mind. Lol. Oh Yay! There that phrase pretty much sums up bottom line a psycho or sociopath. They tend to view the world while as having ‘others’ in it they are the only thing that matters in the world. they are the only thing that is ‘real’. Everyone else is just a sort of bag of flesh walking around, unrelated to them in any way, and they are the only one’s that matter.


    "The Archons are a genuine species with their own proper habitat, and may even be considered to be god-like, but they lack intentionality (ennoia: self-directive capacity), and they have a nasty tendency to stray from their boundaries and intrude on the human realm. Archons are said to feel intense envy toward humanity because we possess the intentionality they lack."


    Gotta say people who have unmastered emotional bodies are the same way. Co dependents, needy, they know NO boundaries, and hold a great deal of hostility and resentment towards those who don't feed their animals. I’d question if the emotional out of control state is what causes the alchemical tides or vice versa. Did the alchemical stew create this field or did the field impose influence on the alchemical make up of the individual. So this takes us outside influences that may have been given over in a familial sense and those people came into the world that way.

    Where as there are those who can tame through self reflection and processing can tame or release the parasite so they are not compelled to feed all the time.

    Parasites like nice people. They don't have to fight so hard to get what they want. It correlates to this insistence in the world that everyone should 'love' each other and be nice and send energy back and forth. The pseudo new age movement has just a whole new source of shuddering from me. I may be running to dose myself with horse wormer the next time someone sends love and light to me.


    Once the parasite becomes sufficiently entrenched within the psyche, the prime directive coordinating a person’s behavior comes from the disease, as it is now the one calling the shots. Just as someone infected with the rabies virus will resist drinking water, which would flush out the infection, someone taken over by the wetiko parasite will have nothing to do with anything that will help them get rid of the disease. Wetikos are phobic towards the light of truth, which they avoid like the plague. In advanced stages, this process takes over the person so completely that we could rightfully say the person is no longer there; they are just an empty shell carrying the disease.

    Oh yeah, who and what does that sound like. A huge portion of people who claim love and light on this very superficial mask level are precisely that way. The love and light revolution has become their mask. Before them a great portion of the fundamental religious herds. Because a truer type of person may have a desire to get back to authentic light, authentic love , both concepts are weilded as honey pots for the internal parasite to feed on.

    Okay this is what I observe. Like in a direct observational way . There are people with masks, call them protective defenses against the hostile world. You can see through them to something a bit more substantial. Then some who are even more substantial. Then there are those lack anything of reality, and have just the mask. A mask that reacts it can’t integrate.

    If the areas of our "reptilian" brain functioned as a main storehouse for instincts and archetypes, then wouldn't it follow to reason that any foreign seed that took root there would mature with reptilian characteristics?


    Here is a question that has always plagued me if we branched off into different aspects with the only commonality being the 'human' form. .. What if everyone is not possessed of a reptilian mind. What if didn’t form in some? Or perhaps during the course of evolution either got stronger or weaker. How would we know without breaking open the heads of everyone? If we take what has been presented so far it indicates that perhaps not everyone did.

    A cold BLOODED animal that waits for the sun to warm it.


    The psycho-spiritual parasite lies in it's reptilian nest eliciting emotional responses by organizing circumstances in the subconscious mind to foster it's "food" ...

    I observe t his in people as well. With no external food source, the parasite agitates them via their mental and emotional body , thoughts and feelings, to a state of morbidness. And then feeds on it. If its not introducing this morbidness it uses what is already stored in the emotional body. They self agitate.

    "They imposed their mind on us"

    How many people do YOU know who get either withdrawn or more likely , their knickers in a bind, when you don't share the same sort of mind-set. they can't get what they want so they attack when the animal doesn't just traipse into the trap.






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    "They imposed their mind on us"

    I am delivering this consistently lately to those that are listening in front of me...
    and more are listening in front of me.

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    [...]

    Now, lets look at the physical brain a little closer. There are a few areas in particular that I'm interested in that are associated with our subconscious plinth and our instincts. Namely, the basal ganglia, the cerebellum, the brain stem, and the amygdala.

    Here is an excerpt from http://www.buffalostate.edu/orgs/bcp...s/triune.html:
    The reptilian complex, also known as the R-complex or "reptilian brain" was the name MacLean gave to the basal ganglia, structures derived from the floor of the forebrain during development. The term derives from the fact that comparative neuroanatomists once believed that the forebrains of reptiles and birds were dominated by these structures. MacLean proposed that the reptilian complex was responsible for species typical instinctual behaviors involved in aggression, dominance, territoriality, and ritual displays.

    Source: http://www.buffalostate.edu/orgs/bcp...cs/triune.html
    Here is another excerpt from Wikipedia:
    Although the role of the basal ganglia in motor control is clear, there are also many indications that it is involved in the control of behavior in a more fundamental way, at the level of motivation. In Parkinson's disease, the ability to execute the components of movement is not greatly affected, but motivational factors such as hunger fail to cause movements to be initiated or switched at the proper times. The immobility of Parkinsonian patients has sometimes been described as a "paralysis of the will". These patients have occasionally been observed to show a phenomenon called kinesia paradoxica, in which a person who is otherwise immobile responds to an emergency in a coordinated and energetic way, then lapses back into immobility once the emergency has passed.

    Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basal_ganglia
    Another excerpt from www.science.howstuffworks.com
    Lower animals, such as fish, amphibians, reptiles and birds, don't do much "thinking," but instead concern themselves with the everyday business of gathering food, eating, drinking, sleeping, reproducing and defending themselves.

    These are instinctual processes. Therefore, their brains are organized along the major centers that control these functions.

    We humans perform these functions as well, and so have a "reptilian" brain built into us. That means we have the same parts of the brain found in reptiles, namely the brain stem and the cerebellum.
    [...]
    Hi Vivek,

    A few bones to worry over and get to the marrow...

    These kind of results and cogitations I excerpted from your post are the product of "Darwinism" and pseudo "evolution," although the "embryology retracing the phylogeny" may have some truth to it, it only applies to the biological organism.

    The problem gets complicated when a sentient being occupies an organism (if you never read the Dianetics book, cover-to-cover I would encourage you to do so) because, then the debate "structure versus function" goes to "Function" as the dominant factor.

    On the premise of function being boss, then the whole genetic hooplas TPTB is shoving down our throat via their medical/psychiatric right arm, as in "everything is genetic" and "there isn't much you can do about it since you were born that way..." falls off into the abyss of "great hoaxes" played on the human race.

    Why?

    Get someone with a chronic cough on an OBE stroll... and listen who/what is coughing now... the body stops coughing... the being is hacking away in the astral realm... same goes with phobias! Heck, try it with someone who screams in terror at mice...

    And that's all there is to all these "genetic diseases" and to "it's all a brain chemical imbalance" trumped up as "great scientific discoveries" by TPTB MSM.

    Here is a great example from Steve Richards:

    Quote Steve: Okay, there’s a whole range of things out there today, you know, interfering with people today. You’ve got one, you’ve got thoughts, thought‐form, become life forms, that evolve into entities, internal. You’ve got external entities out there. You go to the local pub, and you get on the grogs [Aussie term for alcoholic beverages] and the alcohol, their defenses are down, in they come, and they take over. You’ve got genetic stuff that can have stuff attached to it down through the time, where you have other beings attached. You can have animal spirits or human spirits in there. You know, animal spirits is an interesting one, I mean, I had a beauty one day, this guy he’s been over twenty psychiatrists and psychologists and no one can help him.

    He comes to me, holds his arms out and he says, “look at this,” and he’s got stitches at both elbows. He said, “I’m getting thrown around the room by an invisible force. They broke both me arms, broke three of me ribs, you know another time jumped in me girlfriend and ripped half the hair out of me head, clawed me.” He said, “this thing’s huge, I want to get rid of it.” I say, ‘okay, get on the table.’ So I said, ‘when did it start?’ He said, “Nine to ten years ago I went to a party, and I got drunk. I woke the next morning, there’s a guy on my chest belting the living daylights out of me, accusing me of stealing. Never been so petrified in my entire life. From that day on this thing would surface. It was huge. It would pick me up, throw me across the room, threw me down flights of stairs, broke me arms, broke me ribs, I want to get rid of it.” Back on the table. I accessed, I called this thing up and next thing I’m hanging onto his head, by these two points I’m holding, and he starts physically shapeshifting. His mouth extends out and he starts yawning long yawns, and belching. And its like something twenty times my size belching away on the table. I thought, ‘what in the hell have I got here?’ I said, ‘Spirit, how far back in time did this take place?’ And instantly speaking out of him his Spirit said, “fifteen‐hundred years ago.” ‘Thank you. Go there, what happened?’ “I’m a hunter.” ‘Thank you. And what’s happening?’ “I’ve hunted down a bear.” ‘Thank you, what happened?’ “I got close to the bear, I thought it was dead, it was still alive. It turned on me. Bit off my right arm, bit off me left arm, and clawed me to death. “ He and the bear had now both died in an integrated universe of fear which has been asleep for fifteen‐hundred years. Nineteen years ago he’d never been so petrified in his entire life it triggered up that dimension which now overlaid itself in present day. The Spirit of the bear’s in there and he wants out, it’s throwing him around the room. I had to bring the Spirit of the bear up, enfold space‐time, send him back fifteen‐hundred years, change the past and the present for the future. Then set, put him aside, bring the man back fifteen‐hundred years, change the past and the present so it never occurs in the future cycle of time. Release the Spirit of the bear, the guy gets up, ‘My God, it makes so much sense, I’ve had nightmares for years about being attacked by a bear. That and of all, look at this. He took his shirt off and turned around, his back and his backside and his chest were covered in hairs two inches long. The thing was morphing through into him.

    This throws Darwin theory totally out the window, ‘cause Darwin theory is based only on the physical structure down the genetic line, it does not take into consideration the other forces that enter with the Spirit, and they’re in the vehicle. You get people sometimes barking like a dog and clucking like a chicken – Tourette’s syndrome. I go in and take up the animal Spirits, and take them out, and no more Tourette’s.
    Think about it, both bear and man probably died on another continent... how come both memories get to incarnate on a different continent in a different body line and the guy's body starts growing bear fur?

    Function is boss!

    Since wikipedia is definitely biased on that one:

    Quote Structure and function are important, but misunderstood, concepts in the natural sciences. In life sciences, a structure is a physical object belonging to an organism, while a function is the survival purpose of that structure. This distinction may seem simple to adults, but it can be difficult for kids (who don't always understand the difference between an object and an action).
    Something out of Wikipedia:

    Quote ... in Lamarckian evolution the form is altered by the required function, whereas in Darwinian evolution small variations in form allow some parts of the population to function "better", and are therefore more successful reproductively.
    Body building anyone? Super-soldiers?

    Function as "intention":

    That guy worked magic on his guitar with a crippled left hand:

    Last edited by Hervé; 4th January 2013 at 16:06.

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