The Law of One

[onawah]

I wasn't comfortable with the term at first, but the more I read the Law of One, I realized that harvest meant, not consumption, but the gathering of what has ripened so that it will not just be wasted and rot on the ground, but be put to good use, including planting a new harvest.
I see it as a natural process, one that higher EDs participate in as part of their own learning process, not as a rescue mission.
Certainly we have the ability to access the truth for ourselves.
Yet the role of teacher and mentor can take part in that.
In the end, we are the ones who must learn, but that doesn't mean the information cannot be provided for us by others who have already learned it.
Inasmuch as we are all One, I don't see why people have so much trouble with the different roles the One plays.
If one is teacher or provider, one is student or recipient, both are necessary components of the dance, and eventually the student becomes the teacher and so on.
All are necessary components of the dance.
And even deciding not to take part in the dance is a part of the dance.

[tonius]

etm567, onawah,
I understand perfectly what you are saying,thats why i put that 99%part in my post,to say what you are saying.
Mine was just a reflection,i used to be amased more than anyone to this material,and i think i have read most of it,if not all.But even during such amasement ,after ending reading it every time there was a little well hidden feeling coming from inside a kind of uneasinnes.

I asure you it was not coming from the amasing information i was reaciving even though it would be understandable for a 'commmon mortal' being i thought i was at the time, to be shatterd by such information.
Contrary i loved such information and it MADE SENSE,but at the time i was so blinded by such exitement to give any sort of attention or understand this hidden sensation,maybe it was still not the time to do it.

I am in no saying dont read it,Contrary.Remember i said already in the first post 99%, not 89 and not 79 of valuable information. Why because it really is a learning tool,it makes sense.
My reasoning goes to the intentions of who send it,and i explained my point of view at the first post.Let me try to explain better what i mean.

Its like going to ''Less Advanced Beings' (dont really like the term) giving them a lot af good information on How Things Work ,remember that information is already out there known to many many other beings in different realms ,its a common GOOD,and than USING it for a non honorable intent.So my point :

The Good Quality of this material in no way has to do with the Intetions of who is send it.

The spanish going to native Americans comes to mind,giving them cool stuff (than it was goods,now its INFORMATION) ,present themselves as friends an, lower their guard and than stabb tham in the back. Hey ,i know we are eternal but surely no one likes to be made 'fun' of or be stabbed in back,even if its for 'FUN'.

What is one of our strongest qualities that we seem not to undertand well yet ? Its the one to CREATE. We have been creating unstoppably since the first instant we 'left source',in fact all this illusion is our creation.And whats the strongest weapon sm non 'honorable' race would use against us after Ignorance (remember for many many years we thought earth was flat) is beggining to lose its effect?
Its the one of : SHAPING OUR EXPECTATIONS ,because than we create based on them, making us wait for an illusion to happen. Using our gift against us.

Ever thought their bottom idea is to DELAY your going back to source . What if the way is not 'UP' but just simply 'INSIDE' . True, thay say we are powerful,eternal but THEY, know the WAY .
Why did they give the part where they say we have.., no let me say it differently :

ITS BETTER WE CHOOSE , BECAUSE NO CHOOSING MEANS YOU GET 'STUCK' UNTIL THE NEXT TRAIN COMES. I DONT CARE IF I GET STUCK; I SENCIRELY DEEPLY FEEL I AM NOT STUCK ,EVEN IF I AM NOT
' VIBRATING' ENOUGH IN THEIR OPINION. Its not my ego speaking,its just my Inside Truth majking a point through this 'poor' way af communication that language is in itself.I shared this not as an attack to anyone ,nor i like to be paranoid just saying maybe there is smth else going here. This doesn't come from my Thinking Process,this comes from my 'GUTS'. What do you think should i do ,listen to their way toward 'SALVATION' or trust what comes from inside. I am amased how few seee it,but i understand it,i was 'THRILLED' too by such 'EXITING' things that will happen in the 'FUTURE' , right..in the 'FUTURE'.
Not saying you are wright or i am wright,there is no such thing,i just apriciate the infomation but dont trust the Source of it,for the reasons you saw in this thread.

Why say they dont want to INTERFERE yet they go BEYOND that. They subliminaly lay the path for us but than put the DESCLAIMER where thay say Its our choice.
Ask yourself, would 'ADVANCED BEINGS' who are supposily beyond the dualism game ,even think,of interfering in such a way? For me no,because they know how important it is to figure things on our own.
They know at the end of the day we will all go home. Of what use would be knowing you have to chose,its like a professor giving the answer to his students before the exam.Only hidden agendas may bring to such INTERFERENCE ,such messages of hope. I dont need hope, nor do ilike 'TRAINS'.

Remember, we create the trains,we dont need to take a train to go where we are ,nor we need to measure our vibration every day to see if it maches the one required by RA 's Guide Book to Source.

You may say thay just are sharing their version of reality , well they went beyond,the question is why ?
It would have been less interference if they just manifested here 'eye to eye' than hide behind a voice,write books and than pretend not to want to interfere,WELL you did it ...now you have your wright share of FANS waiting for the train you said is coming,. I wish you all make it but just hurry kissing everyone,or killing everyone, tickets are scarce and time is up. I am sorry for the sarcasm ,its just i prefer you being mad at me, than maybe taking a train only because Ra said so, sorry 'SUGGESTED SO' ( he doesnt want to interfere), Or at least think about it if you see smth is not quite wright, because you see everyone Loving it and than ignore it.I prefer to think of my 'free of choice' ,not just bettwen service to self or service to others,but between what i deeply see and here from inside and what Ra and company says i should make of it.

Things may even go the way Ra says but shame on me if i didnt pay attention to that Inside that tells me less Proxies i use to see myself better it is. If you dont have the same voice coming from inside as mine than you have a different path and dont have this problem.

At the end paths are different for everyone,none has the ultimate truth

[Anchor]

tonius,

From what I read you have concluded that the motive of bringing the law of one was an agenda that was not for our best.

I do not agree, and furthermore I can supply the motive for you: the motive was service to others.

In rendering this service Freewill is not abridged, Ra's channel was constructed in response to a call for the highest and best source of information.

No-one is forcing you to read the books that resulted from that.

John..

[Bollinger]

For the most part, all channelled messages have a theme of hope and salvation running through them. They tend to lift one’s spirit to a somewhat higher plane after reading than before. From that point of view, there is nothing harmful in it that I can see whether the information has any foundation or not.

One is bound to point out though that the idea of channelled messages is by no means new. The case of the Medjugorje apparitions comes to mind first which began in 1981 by some 6 teenagers having information revealed to them by Virgin Mary which only they could see and would fall into ecstasy at each event, sometimes in front of many onlookers.

Anyway, the point is, the teenagers (obviously older now) have been receiving frequent and regular messages from Virgin Mary since that time and have been publishing them on various websites with large followings. As a result, Medjugorje has become a pilgrimage destination for may Catholics visiting there and reporting all sorts of miracles such as rosaries turning into gold, seeing the sun jump around, healings from terminal illnesses and so on.

Though the channelled messages from both sources (saint and alien) seem to exude hope and salvation arriving at our doorstep any time soon, it comes with the very awkward situation where believers in classical religions consider the aliens to be devil’s work, and the followers of aliens consider religions to be the creation of man designed to impose and retain control over everyone.

The one thing they both agree on is the continuation of the spirit and eternal life. Without this particular ingredient, I don’t think any set of beliefs is worth the paper it’s written on. So one has to ask, without any messages, religion, dogma, aliens, God, prophets, angels or saints, would we still carry the conviction that life continues after death? If so, and I strongly suspect it to be the case, do we really need any of those things?

[tonius]

Posted by Bollinger (here)
The one thing they both agree on is the continuation of the spirit and eternal life. Without this particular ingredient, I don’t think any set of beliefs is worth the paper it’s written on. So one has to ask, without any messages, religion, dogma, aliens, God, prophets, angels or saints, would we still carry the conviction that life continues after death? If so, and I strongly suspect it to be the case, do we really need any of those things?

I can tell you my experience. From a child i always had this feeling that things around me were not as others told me them to be.Yet even before reading or knowning what i know now.Surely some 'expert' of human mind may have said it was some kind of dissociatin,or some other cool theory,but it wasn't that.When i was present in my grandmothers funeral,i remember it very well,i used to ask myself why all these crying ,black clothes and rituals,it was like a movie scene,and I LOVED my grandmother,she was a lovimng person(spirit) eventhough she had a hard life like many at those times.It was like i knew she wasn't really gone,eventhough not present anymore in her body.Where did that come from?

As you grow,and see everyone behaving a ceartain way you try to 'fit' but that deep feeling is always there,you can ignore it but it will find its way through, causing confusion .There were mornings were i got up early,see the sun hitting the hills in front of me and have a deep feeeling of 'eternity',its almost i would forget i was in my body and than my mother would come to tell me i was late for school.
Never could i understand all the way everything around was going,people doing things,speaking of 'IMPORTANT' things ,giving advices on how not to make this or that mistake...yet if i could express freely what i felt, a LAUGH would have been the closest. A laugh not to them,but the script of the movie i was seeing unfolding in front of my eyes.I didnt know anything about aliens ,exept few lines heard on tv,nor did i have any connection to religon (none of my family was religous ,exept some common phrase where the word ''GOD' was included) and yet that deep intuition kept emerging. I didnt need to think about it ,it was there . Its that feeling that brought me ,like i suppose mybe many of you in this forum or similar ones. IF we just talked a little more about it ,in the family,between friends we wouldn't need preachings and aliens telling us what we already knew but never spoke of, that we are indeed eternal.

WHY THINGS WENT THIS WAY?

Because everyone thought talking about it would be innapropriate,would send us far from our so imprtant 'Objectives'. So better just ignore it and go on playing.
What more important 'OBJECTIVE' would there be than knowing who you are,but that was already figured by priests,scientiests and other 'Intellectuals'....so 'go on do what you have to do' but never dare to ask such questions,that was their moto.Even though i felt alone on this,never gave up,and never doubted it,was too real for me to ignore,seemed my path.

Did the Ra material later give me more information ? of course it did,but does that mean everything is now solved,no . For what i know Ra may be the next ' Priest' giving his lectures ,the next movie to see.
The reaons for saying this are in the other posts, and in other connections i have made,but thats only my opinion. My point goes beyond what Ra says or not, its how we think every text that has the words LIGHT,ETERNAL,DIMENSION and so well written should be the truth.If we were not so busy guessing where the next alien will pop out in the sky,or when Jesus will return maybe we would understand that Jesus was a way of that source INSIDE US telling us to look inside.Why through Jesus ,because we have this habbit of only looking outside and not inside.So no,Jesus will not come,or channel in same cool experiment,he has always been inside you ,has been you.
Its not that i have to create a facebook group against Ra or other channeled messages,nor i hate Ra,he has his important role in this path to discovery,but my question is what if his role is to inherit the 'job' our priests , Parents(i love them ,i am talking from the 'self discovery point of view),scientists once had in taking our attention away from what really MATTERS
At least let me make some questions,my only purpose is only to remind you ,in the middle of so many things going on, of 'YOURSELF' and never just WAIT for some EVENT to bring more conciousness or love in you,
you dont nned to to know some 'TRICK' or CHOOSE some specific thing to be inthe RIGHT PATH.

Its your deep intuition,your Real self (that is eternal) that introduced you to the aliens or angels, not the way around.

[Bassplayer1]

Hello!
I don't know how many people have read the RA Material? I've recently discovered it and find it fascinating - providing I don't rush with it!
Just quickly, for those who haven't read this, its a series of books containing channeled E.T material from RA (The Law of One) through an american woman in a deep trance (Carla Rueckert) with questions being asked to the E.T by Don Elkins present in the room with Carla.
Anyway, I assume I've understood this properly, but there is a discussion between RA the E.T and Don about nuclear war and its damaging effects - particularly during the time of 'harvest' into Fourth Density. My understanding of the info being channeled is that nuclear toxicity damages and scrambles DNA, making the transition for all planetary beings from one life into the next a really long process of healing to get over this.
This is a very sobering thought - especially to everyone killed in Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
In my naivety, I'd been thinking about the suffering these people experienced up to the moment of death in THIS lifetime - it hadn't occurred to me the possibility of long-term after-effects during the journey into the next life!! Now, how do we know that what is being channeled is true? Or that I've definitely understood things? Please correct me if I've misunderstood the discussion. But it makes me concerned for anyone whose journey into their next life has been hindered or made traumatic by the evil of others.
At the risk of sounding melodramatic here, we all need to be vigilant and keep an eye out for each other incase there's any other nasty stuff out there to make our spiritual progress difficult. Thank you for reading!

[trenairio]

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[Bassplayer1]

I've not read David's book about the RA Material (I understand he's written a 'study guide' for it?) But I've been reading the books written by Don and Carla. I agree though that channeled stuff needs to be considered very carefully. I also like David and really appreciate The Source Field. I guess with David (and as with many others) I select what resonates and leave the rest to one side (no disrespect here but there's so much to read, watch and learn and not enough time!) I seem to remember him talking about the Edgar Cayce stuff .... but rather than be dismissive of this, I'm happy to enjoy the hard work and research he does in other areas.

[ghostrider]

Posted by trenairio (here)
I used to really be into David Wilcock's work in and since 2009.

His interpretation of The Ra Material was too literal, and he took it way too much to heart. I haven't seen him post on DivineCosmos since Dec 21 because he knew that he made a false assumption there. I really like the guy, he's intelligent and very active, and I bought his book. But I think he got really carried away with this Ra/Cayce thing.

In my opinion, most channeled information is flawed. Even if the Ra Material has been praised as some of the more accurate channelings of all time, I still only believe it with a grain of salt. There is only so much human intuition can know and interpret. And it does get a lot of things wrong.

just keep in mind the ptb have toys that can produce the voice of God in your head, and we are bombarded daily with electronic impulses... Ptaah says most people cannot have contact because our spirit telephathy is in the infant stages .. 40 years of study Ptaah says seven people had actual contact with ET races... the giza inteligences were misleading alot of people ( they could be behind the channeled info ) until they were removed by the plejaren I think it was in the 80's one of their black satelites still orbits earth in a polar orbit ...channeled information makes me suspicious, always has, something in me has told me to stay away from it ...everyones free to choose , I'm just saying be careful ....just my thoughts don't want to poo poo on anyones parade...

[Anchor]

Posted by Bassplayer1 (here)
Hello!
I don't know how many people have read the RA Material? I've recently discovered it and find it fascinating - providing I don't rush with it!

The Law of One has, to date, been one of the most profound and life changing works I have ever read.

Subsequently I've posted many quotes from the Law of One work, and other work by LLResearch and a great deal of what I know and have remembered today was catalysed by that work.

I can now say I have studied large parts of the LOO in depth, so if you want to find a particular part I would be happy to offer a considered opinion (and that is all it would be - LOL).

If you have not already seen it, you may be very interested in this website http://lawofone.info/ which is an indexed version of the entire LOO Q&A sessions. Also the author was granted access to the original L/L Research tapes and transcripts and has produced an updated more "forensic" re-listening of the recorded material which is interesting.

In my opinion the Ra entity that David Wilcock has channeled is not the same entity composition of the Ra that was channeled by Carla/Don and Jim. That said, I have listened to the ones he recorded and sold a while back, and they too were very good and informative.

[Anchor]

Posted by ghostrider (here)
just keep in mind the ptb have toys that can produce the voice of God in your head, and we are bombarded daily with electronic impulses... Ptaah says most people cannot have contact because our spirit telephathy is in the infant stages .. 40 years of study Ptaah says seven people had actual contact with ET races... the giza inteligences were misleading alot of people ( they could be behind the channeled info ) until they were removed by the plejaren I think it was in the 80's one of their black satelites still orbits earth in a polar orbit ...channeled information makes me suspicious, always has, something in me has told me to stay away from it ...everyones free to choose , I'm just saying be careful ....just my thoughts don't want to poo poo on anyones parade...

Using channeled information to discredit/validate other channeled information strikes me as amusingly ironic.

[turiya]

Not sure is you have viewed any of the Chris Thomas interviews, or read any of his articles posted on the web, but in his books & some of his video interviews, Chris Thomas has said that there is one race that does not have the best interest in mind for the human race, as they have a whacked out notion of being "god's chosen people" and that planet Earth is "god's chosen planet" for them to make their home.

The following is from another website:

Chris Thomas on the Velon Threat to Humanity
Posted on July 24, 2012 by Light Worker 29501

Author and Healer Chris Thomas is unique in his data about a VELON ET presence on earth, and has detailed their history in his recent books. Now available as a DVD.

He details the true Human Plan, and Humanity’s vital role in the universe, and the involvement with many other ETs over many years. The latest, Project for Human Extinction, details how the Eliite and Illuminiati were taken over by a small number of Annunaki and Hathor Velon ETs about 300 years ago.

He discusses this and other matters, in this the 1st of 2 detailed hour long interviews. His comments are highly controversial, as he slams many channelers as being specifically “conned” by these Velon ETs.

Highly controversial, and unique data.

He was severely weakened some years ago, when he woke up with a hypodermic injection of lethal poison, which he managed to fight against, so he could write his books, and discuss with us on this very rare interview.

Part One

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=6Zf7scVDQ1g

Part Two

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=m-RSwTihJQ0

Be sure to read the comments sections of both videos.
Source: http://lightworker29501.com/2012/07/...t-to-humanity/

Tolec has also in his latest interview has suggested, as the same with Chris Thomas, that those that channel the Galactic Federation of Light are to use some scrutiny.

The latest Tolec interview excerpt regarding the GFL:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=ryN_YAoDoK0

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[Maunagarjana]

Hi Bassplayer,

Yes, these are interesting things you bring up, and this is stuff I have wondered about myself. I don't know if there's any truth the claims about the effects of nuclear weapons on a spiritual level. But I would just say when reading the Law of One books, it is important to realize that there could be sprinkled here and there disinformation that might be difficult to spot. As such, you have to take some of these claims with a grain of salt.

Overall, I tend to like the books and feel they are very valuable, but the 4th density controllers (who Ra called "the Orion group") were doing their best to distort that information and mess with the channel. Due to the way they were doing the channeling (on what Ra called "a narrow band") this was more difficult to distort than the messages of the average channeler, imho. Ra had warned many times (sometimes in very subtle ways) that the nature of their questions and their states of mind made this type of tampering more possible.

I'd like to point out that contactee Alex Collier has said that the effects of nuclear weapons in the ancient past (meaning in and around the times of Lemuria and Atlantis) has caused genetic damage in humans in the past. He said the original humans, our ancestors on Earth, were of a green hue. It is because of this damage that we have the shades we have now. Onyxknight, a contactee who posts on this forum has echoed Collier's claims about the genetic damage that has been done. And it's not so far fetched to believe that nuclear radiation and pollution could have damaging effects on the genome.

[PurpleLama]

IIRC, it was the energetic event of the exploding atomic device that tore up the space/time and scrambled the energies of the persons caught in the blast. I do not recall Ra treating the subject of nuclear fallout.


It's true that any information, spiritual or otherwise, should be taken with a grain of salt, but this is no less true in regard to the information presented by our very physical senses.

[DNA]

Posted by ghostrider (here)

Posted by trenairio (here)
I used to really be into David Wilcock's work in and since 2009.

His interpretation of The Ra Material was too literal, and he took it way too much to heart. I haven't seen him post on DivineCosmos since Dec 21 because he knew that he made a false assumption there. I really like the guy, he's intelligent and very active, and I bought his book. But I think he got really carried away with this Ra/Cayce thing.

In my opinion, most channeled information is flawed. Even if the Ra Material has been praised as some of the more accurate channelings of all time, I still only believe it with a grain of salt. There is only so much human intuition can know and interpret. And it does get a lot of things wrong.

just keep in mind the ptb have toys that can produce the voice of God in your head, and we are bombarded daily with electronic impulses... Ptaah says most people cannot have contact because our spirit telephathy is in the infant stages .. 40 years of study Ptaah says seven people had actual contact with ET races... the giza inteligences were misleading alot of people ( they could be behind the channeled info ) until they were removed by the plejaren I think it was in the 80's one of their black satelites still orbits earth in a polar orbit ...channeled information makes me suspicious, always has, something in me has told me to stay away from it ...everyones free to choose , I'm just saying be careful ....just my thoughts don't want to poo poo on anyones parade...

I think a lot can be correlated with Meier if folks would only take the time. I think you make an excellent point about the Giza intelligence. Most folks don't realize it, but Meier stated these folks had a base on Jupiter's moon Ganymede as well, and it is worth noting that Ganymede is the only moon in the solar system with a magnetic field similiar to that of the earth's.
This also gives credence to the work "I visited Ganymede" by Yosiph Ibram. An excellent work of which I believe is in fact a legitimate contact. Though the Giza intelligence folks are considered negative, the Ganmymede folks are not.

Also, it is worth noting that the famous Rendilshim forest incident left one of the members with a binary number implanted in his memory, when he wrote these numbers down and had them transcribed it gave a longitude and lattitude of an area in the ocean formally known as the land of the Hyberboreans.
This is interesting in how it relates to Meier in that he mentions the hyperboreans as folks who have moved and are now residents under Mt. Shasta.
Was the Redilshim Forest incident actually a non-alien but in fact a crypto-human contact from Mt. Shasta?

[Wind]

I don't fully trust the "new" channelings anymore, but I admit that I like the message in some of them, even if the original message is distorted by human ego. However, I find the orignal Law of One channelings amazing. In fact I think that those books hold very valuable information. Nothing really has surpassed it.

[Bassplayer1]

Yes, I'm enjoying the original RA chanellings too. Something that ocurred to me - and again this is only speculation, but I'm aware Carla has had ongoing health issues (correct me if im wrong) and I wondered if being a human being in third density being a channel for fourth density info (if this is certain) is hard for the body? I think the chanellings went on for about a year so I guess to repeatedly have fourth density vibrations come into her third density vibratory body may have taken its toll. I hope my wonderings are wrong and she is ok.
Even if the chanellings are not as they seem, the discussions on 'service to others' and not 'service to self' is invaluable.

[Anchor]

Posted by Bassplayer1 (here)
Yes, I'm enjoying the original RA chanellings too. Something that ocurred to me - and again this is only speculation, but I'm aware Carla has had ongoing health issues (correct me if im wrong) and I wondered if being a human being in third density being a channel for fourth density info (if this is certain) is hard for the body? I think the chanellings went on for about a year so I guess to repeatedly have fourth density vibrations come into her third density vibratory body may have taken its toll. I hope my wonderings are wrong and she is ok.
Even if the chanellings are not as they seem, the discussions on 'service to others' and not 'service to self' is invaluable.

Carla had pre-incarnational disposition to certain bodily weaknesses - this is actually mentioned in the Law Of One.

She "died" already in her past from Kidney problems, and has talked about her NDE that she had at the time on her blog talk radio slot.

RA is a sixth density entity (not fourth), and his method of channeling required not just Carla, but Don Jim and Carla working in a precisely tuned harmony. The actual mechanics of the transfer was hard on Carla and just about every session had a check on her condition and advice on how best to look after her.

After Don died the Ra contacts ended.

Carla started to regularly channel the principle of Q'uo which initially was an experimental hybrid of Ra (6th density) Latwii (5th density), it can be read in the transcripts that this principle itself experimented with its energetic mix so as to best conform to Carla's desire to be of service and obtain the best and highest quality answers to questions asked in the meditation/channeling groups that are run at LLResearch - with the energies stepped down in as safe a manner as possible for Carla.

My understanding is that it is Carla's purity of desire to be of service was the main reason Q'uo was assembled out of the "team" in the first place - in the service of the one infinite creator.

Carla still has health issues - she has an open wound on her back after some essential surgery over a year ago that is healing very slowly and has been infected a few time; however she can be heard most weeks on her show on blog talk radio - look up LLResearch on that site - all the archives of all the shows are there. She is an inspiring person.

[Bassplayer1]

Hello Anchor , would you recommend the Q'uo material? I've seen a copy in a store recently - it seemed an unusual find considering the loss of so many interesting bookshops these days and I was wondering whether to get it ... actually, her desire to be of service means it should be worth having a look at.

[Gardener]

Turiya, I really like Chris Thomas. He seems very genuine.