Alex Jones Debate with Piers Morgan 1/7/2012 on CNN

[sigma6]

This says it all and follows my mantra, that people have to start asking what is the difference between a statutory law and a real law???

"statutory" law = oxy moron, it is nothing more then a corporate policy, something that McDonalds can create with all their employees.

Real laws are non-statutory. Constitutional laws are a classic example.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=AOjI6laKGYU

[Zelig]

It doesn't really matter how Alex Jones' performance is rated by Avalon members. I'm hoping that among the ordinary folks watching, some were rattled out of their trance and prompted to think outside of the programming. Yes, he was over the top and gave the naysayers exactly the show they wanted but the audience that really matters are the fence-sitters. I'd like to see some Google stats for search terms used immediately after the show. I cringed through viewing it but realize that he did manage to blurt out a lot of salient points that are rarely if ever heard by most people.

[sigma6]

Posted by mahalall (here)
Good Grief, what a vulgar man that Mr Jones is!.
We English don't need guns, oh no, that is freightfully common.
Instead we out source such a violent problem.
http://www.ipcc.gov.uk/en/Pages/deathscustodystudy.aspx

It was funny (so to speak) how Piers was trying to focus on Britain's supposed 35 gun murders, Alex could have focused way more on the issue of NON gun VIOLENT murders better then he did (which Britain black government and criminals alike probably specialize in with great effect no doubt)

And yet Piers brought up the issue himself when talking to the Sheriff without the Sheriff even bringing up the issue himself... you could tell he was still clearly numbing "personally" from Alex's comment, even though I don't think Alex banged hard enough on that point...

British NON gun Violent crime is UP. So how misleading is that?

[SilentFeathers]

Regardless of what most think about Alex Jones, like him or not, most of us can agree that he would not be our first choice for a spokesperson or leader.....

The issue really is that TPTB are about to disarm America, plain and simple...."they" are not hiding this from us! They ARE CLEARLY stating the are changing or abolishing the 2nd amendment, and they at the same time are SHOWING us that those who exercise their 1st amendment rights in a way (in ANY WAY) that goes against the establishment will basically be labeled unfit or "crazy"......

Wake up people, the hammer is coming down ever so faster now than before....

[Fred Steeves]

Posted by SilentFeathers (here)
Wake up people, the hammer is coming down ever so faster now than before....

The hammer also signifies "their" greatest weakness in disguise. Proper perception means everything now.

[Dorjezigzag]

Another thread too much emphasis on style not enough on substance

Alex is loud, thats him, should he change just to sell to the CNN audience.

He did the authentic Alex jones passionate rant thing that he does

Piers who any Englishman ( with at least some independent thought) knows is a pompous artificial contrived pr**k.

He is never usually that calm, it was as ever the act of a salesman.

I enjoyed the interview it was hilarious, Alex got so many points across, Piers a few that he just kept on repeating, I think Alex may have done a better job at reaching genuine Americans than many are giving him credit.

For me Alex was not scary he was passionate and Piers was not calm he was cold and calculating

[jagman]

My computer was attacked today while on InfoWars.This is the second time it happened.I wonder if this is the government?

[Youniverse]

Posted by sigma6 (here)

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=Jmdg9_IUl5k

Deserves to be posted as many times as possible
Brilliant, the only thing Alex got wrong was not playing to Pier's 'pretension' of acting reasonable. I love how he nailed him, laid out the statistics, and dragged in the drug issue as being a major factor. (and Piers tried to spin it all around after with the attorney - what a scummy move that was...)

You could see that Piers was shaken, so it wasn't a bad strategy, but when he realized that he had total control over Piers he could have pulled back a bit and exercised even more control.

Now Piers is playing the 'victim' card... "oh it just poor innocent little me..." "oh poor little reasonable me..."

and bringing in Dershowitz what a COP OUT... Piers is clearly a front for the zionist controlled agenda...

Jones didn't have control over himself let alone Piers my friend.

[Youniverse]

I wonder what some of you thought about Mr.Kennedy's comment on the 2nd Amendment. He said Thomas Jefferson said it should be up for review every 20 years to see if it is still relevant or should be removed. That is for those folks that watched past Alex Jones.

[Sirius White]

I wouldn't mind it being under review, if we weren't under a regime of psychopahs and inhuman intelligences who view us no different than a shepherd does a farm.

Global government isn't evil, and neither is control of guns. It is though, when you have evil people who are vying for both.

[gripreaper]

"They don't want to BELIEVE that their government could engage in the type of tyranny of a 9-11"

Well too bad Americans.

The official story has been torn to shreds and exposed for the abject bald faced lie that it is. Why is it that America has such cognitive dissonance when it comes to tyrannical government? Is history always put in the dustbin after 50 years? What happened all over Europe in the mid 19th century? Have we all forgotten? Do we really not give a crap?

I've tried to say this in the best way I possibly can, in other threads over the last two years, but I'll say it here again:

1. There is no representative government AT ALL!!! The UNITED STATES is a corporation. The corporation, through it's agents the Federal Reserve and the Internal Revenue Service and the Depository Trust Corporation, serves as the receivers for the bankruptcy of this country.

2. All assets, land, and the labor of all the people of this country (and all countries) have been pledged in perpetuity to the creditors of this bankruptcy, which are the same elite families who ran Rome and to this day, STILL hold ALL of the legal titles to ALL OF the planets resources.

3. Everything is commerce. ALL capital which enters commerce enters as debt, and the servicing of this debt ALL flows upstream to this cabal. The fiat debt system can only function as long as more debt is heaped onto more debt exponentially. The more debt, the more slavery for the masses. Turn off the debt spigot, and ALL OF US fall into bankruptcy in our own personal finances.

4. These global elite have NO SUCH notions as "nationalism" or country or freedom or liberty or sovereignty or representative government, or any such empathic notions which we have. They are psychopathic imperialistic murderous ritualistic narcissistic evil inhuman creatures. They are NOT like us. THEY ARE NOT HUMAN.

5. ALL OF the technologies of freedom and abundance have been sequestered away and hidden, and we are left on the slave grids of oil and electricity. The REAL power to run commerce and to provide abundance has been stolen from us, and the scarcity slavery paradigm is where we actually live day to day.

6. Most people accept their slavery as "just the way things are" and will ridicule you and laugh at you and call you a conspiracy nut if you try to bring their attention to the truth.

7. WE ARE, as a world and as a people on this planet, inches away for a total totalitarian fascist dictatorship IF these elite finish their agenda, which has been in place for EONS, AT LEAST since the time of Atlantis and the destruction of their technology in the last rebellion we humans had with them.

We are standing on the very same precipice, the same place we were then, the same challenge to stand against tyranny and total slavery, the same consequences. WE have this experience imbedded in our DNA, which they regularly use against us to tickle the "fear" of this cataclysm in our DNA. They know the human psyche BETTER than we ourselves do, and they play us like a fiddle every day and most of us go along with it!

Not here at Avalon. WE speak the truth. WE uncover the lies. WE KNOW that we are sovereign souls, that we can wake up the energetic centers of the higher mind, and open up to the Siddhis abilities of clairaudience, clairesentience, clairvoyance. We KNOW we can astral travel, remote view, bi-locate, and SEE in the minds eye without the confines of time and space. WE KNOW we must enliven the pineal gland, to STOP eating their crap food and drinking their fluoridated water.

WE KNOW we must go out and reach our fellow man and speak our truth, regardless of the ridicule. This is the hallmark of the new age, if anything has survived the new age movement unscathed, whether the movement was a psy-op or not.

Yes, the second amendment was put in place to protect us against the inhuman psychopathic narcissists who have hijacked this planet. They are not going to go quietly if we sit around and hold hands and sing "KumBaYa" or offer them amnesty to be good boys from now on and please don't rape, pillage and murder anymore. NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.

No ET's, none of Fulford's ninja's, No white dragons, no global settlements, no Nesara, no Drake, no minuteman militia is going to get us out of this mess. WE empathic humans need to recognize evil, look it square in the face, call it out from the shadows into the light of day, and REMOVE it from our planet. PERIOD!

There, that's my rant for today.

[bram]

After watching this I was left wondering what Alex was trying to acheive in this interview. Was he a) trying to get the message across and sow the seeds of doubt in a number of previously unawakened people, or was he b) showboating for his loyal followers by ranting non-stop from beginning to end.

If it was a) then I think he did a shockingly bad job and set the movement back by decades. He even got asked about 911 and fluffed it completely. All he had to do was calmly point out a few blatant contradictions to sow the seeds of awareness and get some of the sheeple thinking. He played right into the hands of the infinitely appalling host.

If on the other hand it was b) then he did okay. He preached to the converted. Apart from when he started trying to do the british accent. I seriously thought he was having a stroke.

I give him 1/10 (for effort). If all he wanted to do was show off to his supporters, he missed a great opportunity to spread the word.

[T Smith]

Posted by Youniverse (here)
I wonder what some of you thought about Mr.Kennedy's comment on the 2nd Amendment. He said Thomas Jefferson said it should be up for review every 20 years to see if it is still relevant or should be removed. That is for those folks that watched past Alex Jones.

I believe this is a huge stretch. As far as I know, Jefferson said no such thing specifically about the 2nd Amendment. What he did say was the tree of liberty need be refreshed from time to time, and God forbid we go 20 years without a rebellion...

I'm sorry.. extinguishing rights doesn't count as a rebellion. Kennedy is way off in his understanding of what Jefferson said.

[Referee]

This could be the start of some rough times!

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=XnNbPkmp9fs

[Mozart]

So who won the Alex Jones / Piers Morgan gun control debate?


From what I've seen, it may be that Alex Jones may have harmed the chances of gun owners to stem the tide of anti-gun sentiment in America. Jeez.


Here's a sampling from some around the Internet:


http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/201...comment-588377

This just in: “Frankly, RF, this looks *really* bad for all gun owners. You and I are both libertarians and share like-minded politics, and we may even agree with Alex Jones from time to time. But the rant Alex Jones went on during this ‘debate’ will be used by the antis to discredit us for a long time coming. I can’t help but feel sick. This sets our movement back so far. I can picture the left using Alex Jones’ soundbytes from Piers Morgan for a very long time. I only hope . . .

http://rense.com/general95/peirs.html

As Morgan tried to interject with questions, Jones continued with his browbeating delivery, declaring that Morgan would not deter him with "little factoids". Morgan had been attempting to discuss the types of firearms used in major US massacres and the relative rates of gun killings between America and other countries.

Morgan has enraged the extreme end of the US gun lobby by calling for a ban on high-powered assault rifles and large ammunition magazines. On the day of theNewtown school shootings in the US the host angrily confronted members of the pro-gun movement on his nightly show, denouncing as "total hogwash" their argument that more guns mean less crime.

http://www.mediaite.com/online/piers...r-gun-control/

Last night, Piers Morgan went head-to-head with Alex Jones, the man who created the petition to deport him from the United States. The climax of the fiery debate came when Jones shouted at Morgan that “1776 will commence again if you try to take our firearms!”

Piers Morgan spoke to POLITICO this morning about the highly charged interview, saying that Jones “was the best advertisement for gun control you could wish for.” He went on to say, “that kind of vitriol, hatred, and zealotry is really quite scary. I didn’t feel threatened by him, but I’m concerned that someone like him has that level of influence. There’s got to be a level of discourse that can rise above what happened last night. It was undignified, unedifying.”

A friend of mine whose opinions I trust said this:

Good video, lays out my feelings on it pretty good. He could have easily exposed Piers with tons of facts. But instead, he came across as a raving lunatic.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/media/...es-153617.html

CNN host Piers Morgan just called to discuss his interview last night with Alex Jones, the conservative radio host and gun advocate who went on a tirade against Morgan, gun control legislation, and a litany of government conspiracies.

"He was the best advertisement for gun control you could wish for," Morgan told POLITICO.

[Taurean]

Posted by bram (here)
After watching this I was left wondering what Alex was trying to acheive in this interview. Was he a) trying to get the message across and sow the seeds of doubt in a number of previously unawakened people, or was he b) showboating for his loyal followers by ranting non-stop from beginning to end.

If it was a) then I think he did a shockingly bad job and set the movement back by decades. He even got asked about 911 and fluffed it completely. All he had to do was calmly point out a few blatant contradictions to sow the seeds of awareness and get some of the sheeple thinking. He played right into the hands of the infinitely appalling host.

If on the other hand it was b) then he did okay. He preached to the converted. Apart from when he started trying to do the british accent. I seriously thought he was having a stroke.

I give him 1/10 (for effort). If all he wanted to do was show off to his supporters, he missed a great opportunity to spread the word.

This is what happens when you put a used car salesman up against a Rolls Royce dealer, they both have the same objective it's just that one is just a little more articulate.

You can quote statistics forever, that is what they are for, and of course are easily corrupted, misquoted or manipulated.

The real issue is dealing with the Cause of problems.

Nevertheless AJ did manage to plug his Infowars.com where a more considered appraisal could be taken.

One statistic in the UK that nobody wants to deal with is 30,000 children going missing every year, yet less than a handful ever hit the MSN.

[161803398]

Alex could have had a lot more fun with Piers:

http://www.citizensreportuk.org/news...ces-2006-2011/ London Gun Crime Offences 2006-2012

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_i...nd_knife_crime Gun and Knife Crime in London 1999 to 2009

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/1440764.stm BBC says handgun Crime Up after the ban

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/londo...0-8440640.html Tasers

[T]here is no consistent significant positive association between
gun ownership levels and violence rates: across (1)
time within the United States, (2) U.S. cities, (3) counties
within Illinois, (4) country‐sized areas like England, U.S.
states, (5) regions of the United States, (6) nations, or (7)
population subgroups . . . .12 http://www.law.harvard.edu/students/...useronline.pdf

In 2004,
the U.S. National Academy of Sciences released its evaluation
from a review of 253 journal articles, 99 books, 43 government
publications, and some original empirical research. It failed to
identify any gun control that had reduced violent crime, suicide,
or gun accidents.15 The same conclusion was reached in
2003 by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control’s review of then extant
studies.16

In the late 1990s, England moved from stringent controls to a
complete ban of all handguns and many types of long guns.
Hundreds of thousands of guns were confiscated from those
owners law‐abiding enough to turn them in to authorities.
Without suggesting this caused violence, the ban’s ineffectiveness
was such that by the year 2000 violent crime had so increased
that England and Wales had Europe’s highest violent
crime rate, far surpassing even the United States.19 Today, English
news media headline violence in terms redolent of the
doleful, melodramatic language that for so long characterized
American news reports.20

......despite constant and substantially increasing gun
ownership, the United States saw progressive and dramatic reductions
in criminal violence in the 1990s. On the other hand, the
same time period in the United Kingdom saw a constant and
dramatic increase in violent crime to which England’s response
was ever‐more drastic gun control including, eventually, banning
and confiscating all handguns and many types of long guns.22
Nevertheless, criminal violence rampantly increased so that by
2000 England surpassed the United States to become one of the
developed world’s most violence‐ridden nations.

[161803398]

Reality Check on the debate: http://www.fox19.com/story/20538164/...homicide-rates

[161803398]

Britain most violent country in the EU. More violent that South Africa and the US. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz2HQDkC3re

[Snookie]

Oh yeah, Pierce Moron will make hay out of that interview for the next month or more, hoping to get his awfull ratings out of the toilet for some time to come.

From where I sat there was no reason for AJ to act like a lunatic. Did the opportunity go to his head and make him come across as a wing nut or was his behavior part of the plan ? I tend to think the latter, as he refused to answer several questions that were put to him.