Ki Gong master gets beaten up by MMA fighter.

[westhill]

Posted by humanalien (here)
I think the master began believing in his own lie
about beating people up, without touching them.

You just seen the end result of that lie.

I think the master should go back to being the pupil....

You beat me to it! Exactly what I was thinking.
I would also say that Qi Gong should be about confronting your inner opponents.
They'll be tough enough.

[kersley]

Good point Raf..
Could it be that the so called power were sucked out from the Master with that hand shake at the beginning? is there a follow up of what happen after that fight?
What excuse did the Master give for losing?

[Akasha]

I'm so glad we got to see the master in action against his pupils first. Those 10 metre remote knuckle dusters were quite the moves!!!

I'm gonna keep out of the metaphysical ramifications though and just say bad day for Qigong, epic day for comedy.


Thanks for sharing, Raf. Absolutely priceless!

[nurgle]

I remember watching this video years ago and thinking to myself, a real Ki Gong Master Would never engage in actual fist fight to promote himself or the art, IMO. The real Ki Gong masters I have every heard of usually demostrate their practice by using the healing arts.

-be safe and try not to get punched in the face

[RMorgan]

Here´s another video with some more of his cool moves.

(Jump the first 20 seconds. The ending is the coolest part, lol)

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=tib2Urowsdc

Raf.

[Akasha]

That last one would be just the move when you've got eight muggers holding hands in queue waiting to have a pop.

[778 neighbour of some guy]

That was funny, the old man forgot the K.I.S.S rule, clearly the MMA guy was the better grounded one, he stood on his own, not relying on the support of anyone but himself and the energy he called upon before entering the contest, mental, physical and emotional, he was not impressed at all by the show the old man put up to show of his skills, he walked straight through him and was a respectfull sportsman afterwards to go check up on the old man when he was down.

All that bs about fighting for money, i go to the gym once in a while to playfight muay thai with some other guys, i am not violent and not in it for money, its costing me money, the MMA fighter in the clip probably just noticed as the years passed by his skills improved and he still enjoyed it and even became good enough to compete, and took up the challenge just for fun, and so did the master, and suddenly he was laying faced down, it happens, no biggie, just a busted nose and ego and probably some students who are disapointed in the so called superior style and chi powers of their sensei, would not surprise me one bit if they start practicing MMA now ( and thats not a straight forward style at all, it moves forward but there is a lot of techniques involved)thats all i noticed, i suddenly realised tptb have nothing to fear from B. Fulfords ninjas, ghehehehe, we are screwed.

HUGS everybody!!!!!

[Carmody]

Posted by RMorgan (here)

Posted by Carmody (here)

What happens, is that what the two differently oriented and minded groups BELIEVE and PROJECT, ends up being the actual reality that they find.

Hey Carmody,

There can´t be accuracy when there is extreme bias, so, for me, both experiments are inconclusive.

What if they mix up the two groups and make the experiments together? What would be the results?

What if they pick another group of scientists from a completely different branch that couldn´t care less about psychic experiments to do the experiments? What would be the results?

Things aren´t always black and white. There are infinite possibilities between 0 and 1.

Any real and serious scientist knows that biased experiments lead to biased conclusions.

Raf.

They tried that, where the expectation bias was neutral, IIRC.

That the results where also as neutral. That the results where also as ambiguous as the expectations.

As humans, no matter what we do..we will always have some aspect of expectation within us. neutrality itself is also a form of expectation.


That you cannot be separated from the experiment, no matter what you try and do.

The only real neutrality is a completely blank mind or energy expression coming from a completely blank previously unused or un-expresed state. Which is a 'thing' that may not exist, in any realm, we don't know.

That any form of any bit of any existence is a form of shaping. A problem, right there-- conceptualization itself is a problem.

Critically... in this case in point, in formation of logic, it can be seen to be the answer as well.

Most people, about 99.99% of people out there, don't want to get the point I'm making, as it puts responsibility, power and truth all in one spot...and puts in inside of the self in a way that is unavoidably difficult for emotions and expectations in reality to handle.

That there is NO anchor of ANY kind, period. Nothing to cling to. NOTHING.

That ~ALL~ is tied to the concept of being, in action, in the situation, as a system in action or flow.

[modwiz]

Master and pupils=Matrix. MMA fighter=Neo.

Anybody tired of keeping the Matrix intact yet?

[Carmody]

To reiterate, in a way that will illustrate this state of existence and the inherent problems.... that the energetic condition of the given self and the energetic condition of the rest of the world, will intrude and integrate with the information I've given you.....and that the vast majority of you will have forgotten the truth of it.........by the end of your day.

[donk]

To reiterate, in a way that will illustrate this state of existence and the inherent problems.... that the energetic condition of the given self and the energetic condition of the rest of the world, will intrude and integrate with the information I've given you

Can you reiterate this, please?

[Spiral]

Posted by Carmody (here)

Posted by RMorgan (here)

Posted by Carmody (here)

What happens, is that what the two differently oriented and minded groups BELIEVE and PROJECT, ends up being the actual reality that they find.

Hey Carmody,

There can´t be accuracy when there is extreme bias, so, for me, both experiments are inconclusive.

What if they mix up the two groups and make the experiments together? What would be the results?

What if they pick another group of scientists from a completely different branch that couldn´t care less about psychic experiments to do the experiments? What would be the results?

Things aren´t always black and white. There are infinite possibilities between 0 and 1.

Any real and serious scientist knows that biased experiments lead to biased conclusions.

Raf.

They tried that, where the expectation bias was neutral, IIRC.

That the results where also as neutral. That the results where also as ambiguous as the expectations.

As humans, no matter what we do..we will always have some aspect of expectation within us. neutrality itself is also a form of expectation.


That you cannot be separated from the experiment, no matter what you try and do.

The only real neutrality is a completely blank mind or energy expression coming from a completely blank previously unused or un-expresed state. Which is a 'thing' that may not exist, in any realm, we don't know.

That any form of any bit of any existence is a form of shaping. A problem, right there-- conceptualization itself is a problem.

Critically... in this case in point, in formation of logic, it can be seen to be the answer as well.

Most people, about 99.99% of people out there, don't want to get the point I'm making, as it puts responsibility, power and truth all in one spot...and puts in inside of the self in a way that is unavoidably difficult for emotions and expectations in reality to handle.

That there is NO anchor of ANY kind, period. Nothing to cling to. NOTHING.

That ~ALL~ is tied to the concept of being, in action, in the situation, as a system in action or flow.

Whats so ironic about these experiments is that the scientists that say there is no such thing as "psychic" are actually psychically effecting the tests, and psychically block psychics !

[Carmody]

Posted by donk (here)

To reiterate, in a way that will illustrate this state of existence and the inherent problems.... that the energetic condition of the given self and the energetic condition of the rest of the world, will intrude and integrate with the information I've given you

Can you reiterate this, please?

That the energies of other people, or expressive points of organized energies that are interconnected with the 'you' of organized energies.... and the total matrix of energies...that..unless concentration is built..and maintained..so it can become a 'reality'..that if this is not pursued..that your own design and the design of others, as a set of 'vibrations in the reality matrix'..will revert your state of existence to one that does not contain the information I've given to you.

That you will not retain the explanation and what can be done with it.

That 'these are not the droids you are looking for', as a pressure put upon you by your own current mindset, and the combined pressures of the reality around you.


That for quantum structures to form what we know as 'Newtonian matter', requires a certain MINIMUM of identical vibrations to be gathered into one spot and connected.

THEN metals form, elements form.

Before that, they do not exist as metals, and can enter the realm of spooky action at a distance, and are outside of normal time and space*. That they can be changed easily and can be affected easily, that they integrate with all, until they vibrate together and create a localized clique we call an element, or matter.

As above, so below.

*This is the very why of the making and consumption of the nano or quantum state elements of gold and the other precious metals, in the form of being 'the philosopher's stone'. to make that 'crossover' state as a material ,and consume it, to enable the person/being (w/avatar as a viewpoint) consuming it..to enter the realm of being able to pass 'information' or life itself, across dimensional spaces and any time/space.

Welcome to the next level.

[Spiral]

.unless concentration is built..and maintained..so it can become a 'reality'.

I'm off to pink bubble that.

[778 neighbour of some guy]

Colonel Ryabko... Systema lesson

The power of leverage/body mechanics/balance and aplying/disturbing energy..... funny and very interesting and effective.

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[mcat911]

The MMA fighter did just enough to prove/make a point. He did not initiate the challenge, he merely accepted it. He wasn't gratuitous in the level of force chosen.

I think he was honourable in the fight, it wasn't about money, it was about exposing a suspect practice being sold to people that are easily impressed and gullible, just like, dare I say, a good proportion of the population of earth.

[9eagle9]

No no no. I want to see a match between the MMA dude and David Wilcocks.

My one last matrixy wish.

Wagers?

Oh wait that would help bring the Matrix down...

damn.

Actually I'd like to see a title match between a girl scout and a David Wilcox.

Odds on the girl scouts..

wagers anyone?

Posted by modwiz (here)
Master and pupils=Matrix. MMA fighter=Neo.

Anybody tired of keeping the Matrix intact yet?

[RMorgan]

Hey folks,

I guess my main point for making this thread, was to investigate the relationship between leaders and followers.

Independently of how delusional the leader might be, all he needs is to convince a few persons of his powers; Each one of this few individuals will convince others. This goes on and on and, suddenly, the guy is leading hundreds or even thousands of people, without ever proving he deserves a position of leadership.

How many famous prophets we have nowadays whose prophecies never got fulfilled?

How many bands we have nowadays composed by people who can´t even sing or play any instruments properly?

How many movie actors we have nowadays that can barely act properly?

How many opinion makers we have nowadays that never actually formed any genuine opinion?

How many politicians we have nowadays that never actually did proper politics?

We have even a Peace Nobel Prize winner, who never did anything to promote peace!

So, how many allegedly genuine public persons we have nowadays who never did anything genuine, but are still considered by the vast majority as the very materialization of genuineness?

I´ve heard someone saying a few days ago, that people are conditioned to be duped, and I really believe this to be an accurate statement.

We have all kinds of fakers, and people love them, and people protect them as they were their on sons and daughters.

Something is really wrong, that´s for sure.

Looks like Orwell was right; We´re subverting the meaning of things.

Genuineness is now Falsehood. The faker you are, the more you´re worshiped.

Success is now Failure. The more psychotically selfish you are, the more you´re considered successful.

Freedom is now slavery. The more you work like a dog, the more free you are, because certainly you need money to buy freedom, and to have enough money, you have to sell your soul.

Who is to blame? The leader or the followers?

The mastermind behind the matrix, or the people who do anything they can to preserve the matrix?

I curse the past generations for allowing this to happen in the first place, and I curse the current generations for not refusing to participate in this FRAUD!

Who´s in charge of this crap? I demand to talk to the manager! NOW! I want so badly to beat him up just like that MMA fighter did!

I do whatever I can as an individual to avoiding participating in this crap, but it´s impossible, unless I move to the woods and completely off-the-grid.

Will this go on forever? What we, who consider ourselves to be "awake" are supposed to do to change things? Wishful thinking? Typing things on the internet? Protesting? People are doing all these things and it´s clearly not working!

Honestly, I´ve been participating in this amazing forum intensively for a long time, full of great minds, and all I could conclude is that we´re completely clueless.

Recognizing the problem is surelly a good enough first step, ok...But what is it worth to be "awake" if we´re clueless about how to act, after all, being awake by itself means nothing.

[christian]

Building up this chi energy in the body comes through physical exercises and focused intention or will-power. Moving other people through that is entirely possible, I've done that before, one time right after a fight actually, when energies were still flowing like crazy but there was no one to project them on anymore, the fight was over, my opponent had left after he realized that he could punch me but not unsettle or harm me. What a way that was to engage in a fight, I hadn't planned that. I always thought if I would really get into a fight I would at least severly injure someone, so I do my best to stay away from fights, I don't wanna hurt or kill anyone. Anyways, right afterwards I felt like an electrical substation taking in way too much voltage and when it "short-circuited" the people around me all jerked simultaneously. Note that the guys around me were anything but sober and it was very late at night, early morning.

The other occasion was, when I tried LSD, very impressive experience, will not repeat it though, because I feel pathetic ingesting something to trigger something I can trigger naturally as well. Anyways it enhanced many abilities, mainly intuition such as telepathy, aura-seeing, and others. I was first in the woods for hours and went into the city eventually, I then sat on a train with a woman in front of me and just looking at her intensely made her jerk all over, that happened very quickly, there was no long build-up for that from my side. She was looking at me very bewildered like, "what the heck did you just do?" Note that this woman seemed to be daydreaming and not like she was either physically very much trained, nor like she had a lot of experience in meditation, her aura didn't seem particularly strong, not hefty at all.

So that is all entirely possible, however you can protect yourself against that by having the physical capacity and the will-power and hence the necessary chi yourself. You've got to be "grounded." A MMA-fighter definitely has an increased chi-flow due to his intense training and fight-routine, he might well be stronger in a sense than the Qi Gong "master". I find that the students of the Qi Gong guy really do seem kind of hypnotized, and so they are easy victims. They don't seem intensily trained or concentrated, but rather like they invite their own defeat. They seem hungry to let themselves be played with.

To apply the non-touching chi-directing skill to a very skilled fighter, whatever discipline, or even "just" to someone who has a serious meditation practice is very very hard, I reckon, because we humans have similar capabilities. So when two very capable humans stand in front of each other it's simply anything but likely that one will twist the other like a dummy just through his will-power.

Now Here is a video of an Aikido fighter. Aikido is quite similar to the way you handle the other's energy in this Qi Gong practice. In Aikido there are virtually no offensive moves and all you do is redirecting the other's flow to bring him down, it's a very soft skill. But because there is always body-contact, it may be somewhat more grounded and applicable than when you only deal with the other's energies. This video shows how "brute power" can really be overcome by "soft" means.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=QWpVUMCcSys

[Fred Steeves]

Posted by RMorgan (here)
This goes on and on and, suddenly, the guy is leading hundreds or even thousands of people, without ever proving hie deserves a position of leadership.

Hi Raf, that's why one of my all time favorite Bob Dylan quotes is "Don't follow leaders, and watch the parking meters".

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=LxLiNR0hvUA