Ki Gong master gets beaten up by MMA fighter.

[Spiral]

But what is it worth to be "awake" if we´re clueless about how to act, after all, being awake by itself means nothing.

That is not true !

We all effect each other,(Look up Rupert Sheldrake ) and by struggling to gain sovereignty over our selves we ARE helping others, the power wielded by TBTB is only theirs by the duplicitous willful ignorance & sloth of the general population.

[Whiskey_Mystic]

I've been a Chi Gung student for 9 years now in the Water Dragon lineage of Liu Hung-Chieh. I've never heard of any actual Master attempting to show off in this way. Heads of franchise school chains, yes. This person's techniques are not familiar to me at all.

Chi Gung is not so much a martial art as it is a systematic technique for developing ability to work with chi for greater health. This has shown to be an effective treatment for many ailments. It is so effective that after the Maoist revolution, the government of China was very short on doctors and so required people to visit a Chi Gung instructor before seeing a doctor.

I myself have seen miraculous results in myself in others. It is very effective for the treatment of PTSD as well. Several members of my community served in the Special Forces in Cambodia during the Vietnam war. Having cleared themselves, they now move with the carefree grace of children.

Chi Gung itself is almost useless in street-fighting because the practitioner has to spend time building up chi before being effective. Most student who are serious about martial applications turn to Ba Gua, a related discipline. There is a great difference between internal and external martial arts. External martial arts rely on muscle and nerve training. Internal martial arts rely on energy mastery. Internal martial arts are much more powerful as the practitioner affects the world on the level of information. Because the physical world is built upon the information level (you might use the word quantum here), the internal martial arts practitioner can achieve feats that are well beyond the realm of the physical martial artist.

But you cannot get there simply by training in technique as you can with something like karate or tai quan do. In order to master and work with chi, you must develop yourself physically, spiritually, emotionally, and psychologically. You must grow as a being and remove the blockages within you. This is why I have never seen a Master engage in "challenges". They don't feel they have anything to prove to anyone. In fact, one well-known Master that I know of spent his youth as an underground cage fighter in New York before realizing how stupid that was and beginning the spiritual journey that eventually led him to his true Master in China. An MMA fight would be seen as something for children to engage in. Not serious students.

[Maunagarjana]

Has anyone considered that the MMA fighter knows techniques to block the Chi techniques the master is using? Fighting Chi with Chi, I mean. Or, more accurately, shielding Chi from Chi.

[RMorgan]

Posted by Spiral (here)

But what is it worth to be "awake" if we´re clueless about how to act, after all, being awake by itself means nothing.

That is not true !

We all effect each other,(Look up Rupert Sheldrake ) and by struggling to gain sovereignty over our selves we ARE helping others, the power wielded by TBTB is only theirs by the duplicitous willful ignorance & sloth of the general population.

Well, my friend, I really don´t believe it.

While we´re all here, passively "affecting each other", our opponent is actively acting and attacking from every corner.

This is pretty much a war, and wars are not won by passively affecting each other. They´re won with actions.

Honestly, I think there´s no way for us to win this battle by doing nothing.

We aren´t even defending ourselves or trying to evade attacks. We´re just doing nothing and, actually, our lifestyles are helping to build this matrix.

A war against the matrix is a war against every aspect of modern society, against the comforts of our lifestyle.

Raf.

[greybeard]

Well Christian that's a Master thank you
Chris

[Whiskey_Mystic]

Posted by nurgle (here)
I remember watching this video years ago and thinking to myself, a real Ki Gong Master Would never engage in actual fist fight to promote himself or the art, IMO. The real Ki Gong masters I have every heard of usually demostrate their practice by using the healing arts.

-be safe and try not to get punched in the face

Not only that, but they will not even demonstrate the full range of their capabilities to their own students until they achieve the level of maturity to handle it. I have been sent out of the room with the junior students more than once because the Master was going to give an advanced instruction that, if exposed to us too early, would create a growth barrier that we would ever get past. Years later when we were ready for the instruction, we received it and incorporated it without succumbing to "spiritual materialism".

[andrewgreen]

Their is so much knowledge out their in the mysterious world of martial arts that I don't think following somebody is such a bad idea. I have a friend who did a hard version of kunf fu for 15 years. He by chance met a Qi Gong expert who agreed to train him, this Qi Gong expert under his lineage was only allowed to train three people throughout his life. The knowledge he learned from this guy was incredible. According to him it takes 7 years to begin to develop Qi.

No way of this guy was genuine would the MMA fight have been able to hit him so easily.

[Spiral]

Posted by RMorgan (here)

Posted by Spiral (here)

But what is it worth to be "awake" if we´re clueless about how to act, after all, being awake by itself means nothing.

That is not true !

We all effect each other,(Look up Rupert Sheldrake ) and by struggling to gain sovereignty over our selves we ARE helping others, the power wielded by TBTB is only theirs by the duplicitous willful ignorance & sloth of the general population.

Well, my friend, I really don´t believe it.

While we´re all here, passively "affecting each other", our opponent is acting and attacking from every corner.

This is pretty much a war, and wars are not won by passively affecting each other. They´re won with actions.

Honestly, I think there´s no way for us to win this battle by doing nothing.

Raf.

Doing follows idea, and idea follows belief.

Have you seen how many hits the threads on here get ?

Physical battle is the paradigm that Hollywood sells......there is a reason that people like Gandhi did what they did without an army, and there's a reason why the TV stations are all under the control of a few, when you can get a critical mass to see or believe something, it becomes real.

[greybeard]

Posted by RMorgan (here)

Posted by Spiral (here)

But what is it worth to be "awake" if we´re clueless about how to act, after all, being awake by itself means nothing.

That is not true !

We all effect each other,(Look up Rupert Sheldrake ) and by struggling to gain sovereignty over our selves we ARE helping others, the power wielded by TBTB is only theirs by the duplicitous willful ignorance & sloth of the general population.

Well, my friend, I really don´t believe it.

While we´re all here, passively "affecting each other", our opponent is acting and attacking from every corner.

This is pretty much a war, and wars are not won by passively affecting each other. They´re won with actions.

Honestly, I think there´s no way for us to win this battle by doing nothing.

Raf.

With respect Raf if you read Power vs Force by the late Dr David Hawkins you would find proof that energetically we affect the collective consciousness. Or check out the scientific evidence presented by Heart Maths and used here http://www.glcoherence.org/
The evidence is clear--test and tried scientifically.
Regards Chris

[donk]

RAF - I hear you, and I believe that as a species, we are easily manipulated. I tend to think that depending on circumstances, we have a different level of responsibility. I think that by being p!ssed off at "generations" and entire manipulated populations in general, aren't you are falling into the same trap?

Individuals made individual decisions that effect each individual that exists in a slightly different way, and each of those individuals has their own experience that effected their decisions right here & now--and how manipulated, or "their own" decision that they are varies as well.

At least, that's the way I view the macro of sociology--it is twisted by generalities, removing individual responsibility.

Back to carmody and the "micro" (for lack of better term) which I think is slightly on topic (maybe), I posit:

Welcome to the next level.

...says the man that assures me that I will not even be able to incorporate the knowledge he shared which is required to "get me there", which I did not fully comprehend anyway.

How did you transcend the limits of said 'given self', and learn to incorporate the "information you gave me"?

[RMorgan]

Posted by Spiral (here)
Doing follows idea, and idea follows belief.

Have you seen how many hits the threads on here get ?

Physical battle is the paradigm that Hollywood sells......there is a reason that people like Gandhi did what they did without an army, and there's a reason why the TV stations are all under the control of a few, when you can get a critical mass to see or believe something, it becomes real.

I understand your point of view and I certainly don´t discard it, my friend.

However, our odds aren´t looking pretty good right now.

I´m not saying that we should go and physically confront the government and its many arms.

All I´m saying is that we need to find a solution, and I assure you that the solution isn´t doing nothing.

You know, when I said that being awake means nothing, I was mostly trying to say that, what is it worth to be awake by itself?

Being awake is just meaningful if you get out of the bed and do things!

Ok, Gandhi was a great mean. But is India looking good right now? No, things are ugly up there. Ultimately, he helped to remove the corrupt British, who were quickly replaced by corrupt Indians. Is there any practical difference?

Posted by greybeard (here)
With respect Raf if you read Power vs Force by the late Dr David Hawkins you would find proof that energetically we affect the collective consciousness. Or check out the scientific evidence presented by Heart Maths and used here http://www.glcoherence.org/
The evidence is clear--test and tried scientifically.
Regards Chris

Hey Chris,

Well, I don´t doubt that it works, but will this be enough to change the world?

Would you really place your bets, all-in, in this possibility?

Posted by donk (here)
How did you transcend the limits of said 'given self', and learn to incorporate the "information you gave me"?

Hey donk,

I know exactly what I need to do to incorporate this information and, as you guys like to say, walk the talk.

However, the only possible option, in my opinion, is to move off-the-grid, completely.

Complete boycott. Complete refusal to participate in this fraud.

By living in this society, each and every of our ordinary daily actions reverts in profit for the controllers.

Cheers,

Raf.

[Whiskey_Mystic]

Posted by greybeard (here)
With respect Raf if you read Power vs Force by the late Dr David Hawkins you would find proof that energetically we affect the collective consciousness. Or check out the scientific evidence presented by Heart Maths and used here http://www.glcoherence.org/
The evidence is clear--test and tried scientifically.
Regards Chris

And let me toss Lynne McTaggart into there as well.

[donk]

Being awake is just meaningful if you get out the bed and do things.

I like that.

In an earlier post you talked about "losing the war by doing nothing"...that is definitely the biggest problem, that so many of us (individuals) not only do recognize the war is on, but unwittingly strengthen the slave-masters...the best slaves are the one that don't recognize they are slaves, after all.

Too few of us are brave enough to get out of bed, even when there are alarms blaring in our faces that we should probably get the eff up.

[giovonni]

video descriptive:

Uploaded on Jan 3, 2007

a Kiai Master offers a 5000 dollar challenge that he can beat any MMA fighter. Too bad for him because his techniques doesn't affect the MMA fighter

i think this is where he made his mistake...

he (the Ki Gong man) compromised his spiritual power and the MMA fighter didn't buy it !

[13th Warrior]

It simple accounting.

Don't write checks with your mouth that you cant' cash with your ass!

[greybeard]

Posted by RMorgan (here)

Posted by Spiral (here)
Doing follows idea, and idea follows belief.

Have you seen how many hits the threads on here get ?

Physical battle is the paradigm that Hollywood sells......there is a reason that people like Gandhi did what they did without an army, and there's a reason why the TV stations are all under the control of a few, when you can get a critical mass to see or believe something, it becomes real.

I understand your point of view and I certainly don´t discard it, my friend.

However, our odds aren´t looking pretty good right now.

I´m not saying that we should go and physically confront the government and its many arms.

All I´m saying is that we need to find a solution, and I assure you that the solution isn´t doing nothing.

You know, when I said the being awake means nothing, I was mostly trying to say that, what is it worth to be awake by itself?

Being awake is just meaningful if you get out of the bed and do things.

Ok, Gandhi was a great mean. But is India looking good right now? No, things are ugly up there. Ultimately, he helped to remove the corrupt British, who were quickly replaced by corrupt Indians. Is there any practical difference?

Posted by greybeard (here)
With respect Raf if you read Power vs Force by the late Dr David Hawkins you would find proof that energetically we affect the collective consciousness. Or check out the scientific evidence presented by Heart Maths and used here http://www.glcoherence.org/
The evidence is clear--test and tried scientifically.
Regards Chris

Hey Chris,

Well, I don´t doubt that it works, but will this be enough to change the word?

Would you really place your bet, all-in, in this possibility?

Posted by donk (here)
How did you transcend the limits of said 'given self', and learn to incorporate the "information you gave me"?

I know exactly what I need to incorporate this information and, as you guys like to say, walk the talk.

However, the only possible option is to move off-the-grid, completely.

By living in this society, each and every of our ordinary daily actions reverts in profit for the controllers.

Cheers,

Raf.

Yes it is enough to get the job done---and its not sitting about doing nothing please read the information on the link.

If you keep doing the same thing you get the same result---- war--is war-even if its war on war--its the same energy.
People have been fighting for freedom since for ever
Ask yourself honestly where is the evidence that violence ever worked?
Rebellion leads to a change of master time and time again---
Watch the video Christian put up--the little guy won using the energy of going with the flow of the other energy--he did not resist.
There in lies the power.
There is evidence in what Gandhi achieved by non violent means and Nelson Mandela the same. Yes India is still violent because not enough people carried on the non violence principals of Gandhi

I am sure there are many other examples.
Sorry for deveating from the main thust of the thread but it is all energy---used wisely---Power vs force shows how.

Regard Chris

[RMorgan]

Posted by donk (here)

Being awake is just meaningful if you get out of the bed and do things.

I like that.

In an earlier post you talked about "losing the war by doing nothing"...that is definitely the biggest problem, that so many of us (individuals) not only do recognize the war is on, but unwittingly strengthen the slave-masters...the best slaves are the one that don't recognize they are slaves, after all.

Too few of us are brave enough to get out of bed, even when there are alarms blaring in our faces that we should probably get the eff up.

Exactly, my friend.

I see this whole thing of being "awake" as a condition, a sort of a gift.

Being awake and doing nothing, in my opinion, is just like being the most talented painter in the world and never painting a single canvas. It´s meaningless, not to say tragic.

There´s a fire going on in the house, the fire alarm is ringing, you can smell the smoke, but, somehow, refuse to get out of the bed and do anything about it; Maybe you´re just scared, maybe you don´t believe the fire to be real, or maybe you´re just waiting for someone to come and save you...So, eventually the fire is in your bedroom and there´s nothing more to do about it besides praying to have a painless death. What´s the difference between being awake or sleeping in this situation?

Raf.

[donk]

even if its war on war--its the same energy.
People have been fighting for freedom since for ever
As yourself honestly where is the evidence that violence eve worked?

Love that!! You are right, but you still need to be aware that there is a war, don't you think? I thought Raf was suggesting doing nothing fuels the forces that has declared war on humanity reaching its full potential. "they" already succeeded somewhere down the line, the war is now to keep us enslaved.

Also, I do not think that Raf suggested that, also I missed where he brought the suggestion of violence...."doing something" does not imply violence, does it?

I believe the solution has something to do with NO ONE participating anymore....tall order to come up with how to accomplish that, though.

[nurgle]

However, the only possible option is to move off-the-grid, completely.

I agree with moving off the grid. The problem I see with an individual getting fed up with the world and moving off the grid, is just it, it is one person leaving and not helping other people to also leave with them. I don't have and means or knowledge how to be totally of the grid, but I wish the people that do would get together and make a real community off the grid, then expand, bringing more people into the fold, helping each other and making the transition easy for others. I find that if something is a big change, complicated, or unexplained generally people are not going to accept it. I guess what I am trying to get at is, we need leaders, we need workers, we need thinkers, etc.... We just have actively to work together with the "awake" and the "asleep" and not passively wink and nod to each other that we are in the know and everyone else ignorant to the fact. Hope I made sense.

-be safe

[Flash]

from RMorgan (raf):
This is pretty much a war, and wars are not won by passively affecting each other. They´re won with actions.

You are definitely not a woman. Women are expert at passively affecting each other, or others. And they do win their war. Often the opponent has not even realised he just lost. That much refinement.