Unbelievably Good Clif High Interview Timemonkradio.com

[Calz]

Yes the flip side is that many of the web bot predictions did come true.

Often there was energy of something at a date yet the language was not clear enough in and of itself to make clear until after the event.

Adding RV into the mix makes a bolder case.


That said I hope Simon is correct (although even if so there are many challanges for humanity ... yet a ray of hope)

[waves]

The big elephant in Clif's room to me and un-asked question is.... if there's no way the so called ptb's don't 'know' the same thing and/or more for a long time, why are banks, corporations, military, finance moving full-speed ahead on all fronts with longterm plans, investments, product development, real estate acquisition, etc. around the world and especially in the soon to be destroyed areas.. as if none of this is going to happen??

Another big red flag to me was aligning himself with Lindsay Williams as if that total player and fraud's bs was a valid corroboration of his story!

[Calz]

Some sources suggest most all "critical continuation of government" pieces have been or are currently moving away from the coastline.

[sdv]

Posted by WorshipstheSun (here)
Many of Cliff Highs predictions never came true. Just something to keep in the back of your mind.

He is one of the few who says over and over again 'I may be completely wrong'. He also distinguishes between data he gathers and his interpretation of that data.

His information is just one piece of the puzzle.

Interestingly, last year there were predictions that the Pope would resign in 2012. I was scathing and arrogant in my belief that this prediction was wrong. Popes do NOT resign. No, the pope did not resign in 2012, but early in 2013 he has shocked and surprised the world by doing just that.

No one piece of information is the full picture, but perhaps there is a grain of truth in every one of them and perhaps the collapse of the world as we know it (which is perhaps simply the birth of the golden age that we have been waiting for) is already happening, but in stages ... each piece falling into place and revealing itself as just a piece and not the whole picture.

Will there be a major earthquake in western USA in the first half of this year? A couple of nuclear facilities blowing their tops? A volcano or two in spectacular eruptions? Perhaps some bits of meteorites striking some parts of Earth? Perhaps some weird, but not unprecedented, extreme weather (struggling to recover from one event when another happens)? Perhaps a huge burp from Sun to knock out digital communications when some regions need it the most? Each on its own is an event that a region can overcome and recover from, but one after the other could take some regions of Earth across the line (and the economic collapse I see as a consequence rather than an initiating factor)... a house of falling cards. Does it matter which card falls first and how and when?

[Maunagarjana]

Posted by blufire (here)
Side note: Clif High does not make predictions. He first only states what the webbot ‘runs’ bring back. The alta reports are very difficult to read. He generally makes a personal statement or interpretation on what he feels the linguistic is saying . . . not predictions just a very complicated computer program language

But isn't he also drawing from remote viewing information too? He's talked about the findings of a remote viewing validation study that he says validates what Courtney Brown had been saying before about 2013.

[Maunagarjana]

Posted by sdv (here)
Will there be a major earthquake in western USA in the first half of this year? A couple of nuclear facilities blowing their tops? A volcano or two in spectacular eruptions? Perhaps some bits of meteorites striking some parts of Earth? Perhaps some weird, but not unprecedented, extreme weather (struggling to recover from one event when another happens)? Perhaps a huge burp from Sun to knock out digital communications when some regions need it the most? Each on its own is an event that a region can overcome and recover from, but one after the other could take some regions of Earth across the line (and the economic collapse I see as a consequence rather than an initiating factor)... a house of falling cards. Does it matter which card falls first and how and when?

Or maybe all of the above....(shudder)

If all that were to happen, I think I would just submit myself quietly to my fate. When the Sun, Earth, Ocean and Sky all want to kill you.....really, what are you going to do about it?

[Snookie]

Several people that Dolores Cannon has regressed also refer to coming "earth changes". I figure when you get three or more people mentioning similar events/things happening then it behooves us to beware.

My sweetie has a son living with his wife in LA, and I worry about them too. I'm torn as to whether to say anything to them or not. Part of me feels that we have made prior agreements to experience certain things before we incarnate, so how much good would it do to tell them?

I will say that my stomach has been doing flip flops starting last evening and it's still happening. My sweetie said he has been feeling woozy as well. We don't think it's the flu or anything we have eaten. This whole thing with the pope resigning has given me a sinking feeling in the pit of my gut!

[Sidney]

I know Ed Dames has predicted similar scenarios, using remote viewing. It does make you think, and worry some. It is a struggle sometimes to stay out of fear mode with predictions being thrown around all the time.

[gripreaper]

Posted on Feb 8th Revolution Radio w/ Sean David Morton: I've got to say, I have had reservations about Clif, but this is a rare glimpse into the long history as well as how the data sets work and how they have shifted, as well as the prognosis for 2013. This a a rare opportunity to look behind the flaws and see the "gestalt" of the bigger picture.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=_yWi3TT8j2o

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by blufire (here)
Side note: Clif High does not make predictions. He first only states what the webbot ‘runs’ bring back. The alta reports are very difficult to read. He generally makes a personal statement or interpretation on what he feels the linguistic is saying . . . not predictions just a very complicated computer program language

In my experience, Clif High doesn't make predictions in his webbot reports, exactly as you describe.

But he does (the way I hear him) make predictions in his interviews.

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by gripreaper (here)
Posted on Feb 8th Revolution Radio w/ Sean David Morton: I've got to say, I have had reservations about Clif, but this is a rare glimpse into the long history as well as how the data sets work and how they have shifted, as well as the prognosis for 2013. This a a rare opportunity to look behind the flaws and see the "gestalt" of the bigger picture.

Good one. This explains the Global Coast Event better than I recall hearing before.

The key event seems to be major crack in the Pacific tectonic plate, eventually forming two plates. The increasing mass of magma from the earth's core (where new mass is being constantly generated, by the expanding earth theory) is pushing up under the various tectonic plates we currently have, and seems to have found a weak spot under the Santa Cruz Islands, in the Solomon Island chain, northeast of Australia:

When the Pacific Plate cracks, it will have the planet rocking and rolling, setting off volcanoes and earthquakes in vulnerable regions, and other major events.

Any portion of the Pacific Rim of Fire where the opposing plates have become more locked up recently (resulting in fewer than might be expected quakes, such as along the California coast), will get unlocked, big time.

Similar effects (major quakes, volcanoes, tsunamis, ...) will happen elsewhere on the planet wherever something can give-way under the stress.

Clif High also expects rising sea levels, such as perhaps flooding New York City to a depth of 1 or 2 building stories. He didn't speculate on a mechanism for this rise in sea level ... perhaps it is water in the Pacific displaced by the rising magma from the earth's core?

He expects world-wide Internet access to break down, leaving perhaps just regional Internet in regions with sufficient remaining infrastructure.

To sum up, the major event: a new large crack in the Pacific tectonic plate (and quite a bit that follows from that.)

[Hervé]

Posted by Paul (here)
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The key event seems to be major crack in the Pacific tectonic plate, eventually forming two plates. The increasing mass of magma from the earth's core (where new mass is being constantly generated, by the expanding earth theory) is pushing up under the various tectonic plates we currently have, and seems to have found a weak spot under the Santa Cruz Islands, in the Solomon Island chain, northeast of Australia:
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Well, I still have a hard time with that expanding earth theory reconciling with current facts.

If the earth is expanding by added material along mid ocean ridges, then the water in oceans would thin out with larger ocean expansions to cover.

An expanding earth would also reduce the subduction rates around the Pacific along its Rim of Fire. Yet what we see is an increase of tectonic earthquakes along these subduction zones, not a decrease.

The earthquakes around the Santa Cruz Island are subduction generated, tectonic earthquakes, not cracking, "intra-plate" earthquakes.

The so-called "intra- plate" generated earthquakes occurred to the west of Australia, within the "Indo-Australian" plate along a former, sutured plate boundary.

Me think too much confusion is obfuscating the picture and I am just trying to bring some clarity and simplicity into said picture.

[sdv]

I would also classify as predictions his interpretation of the data.

It's quite odd, but there are two sides to what he does. On the one hand, he uses some kind of mathematical and linguistic modelling to find trends (in itself there is some subjectivity in this process). On the other hand, he interprets the data and then makes predictions of events based on that interpretation. In his weekly 'chats' he does make predictions, and very specific ones.

The conversation on this thread is very interesting and I am learning a lot. It's good to look at his specific predictions and then evaluate them subjectively.

I am pretty sure that I heard him make a prediction about the African plate splitting in two. Am I correct? What would cause this to happen? The African plate is very stable. Fracking is going to happen in Southern Africa, in the Karoo, but not this year.

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
If the earth is expanding by added material along mid ocean ridges, then the water in oceans would thin out with larger ocean expansions to cover.

I don't know where the water is coming from for the forecast rising sea levels. That part is a mystery to me, whether the earth is expanding or not. I suspect the presence of that mystery in my thinking means I don't know something important, and is not a suitable basis for including or excluding any particular theory.

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
An expanding earth would also reduce the subduction rates around the Pacific along its Rim of Fire. Yet what we see is an increase of tectonic earthquakes along these subduction zones, not a decrease.

The earthquakes around the Santa Cruz Island are subduction generated, tectonic earthquakes, not cracking, "intra-plate" earthquakes.

The expansion in the middle of the Atlantic ocean, along the Atlantic rift and in the other oceans, along various Indian Ocean and Pacific ocean rifts, pushes various ocean plates into and sometimes under older continental plates:

[Hervé]

Posted by Paul (here)
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The expansion in the middle of the Atlantic ocean, along the Atlantic rift and in the other oceans, along various Indian Ocean and Pacific ocean rifts, pushes various ocean plates into and sometimes under older continental plates:

Great graphics, Paul!

I guess the confusion comes from the use of the term "expansion" as in "oceanic expansion" and which is taken to mean that the earth is "expanding" as in increasing its volume and therefore increasing its total surface area.

If that were the case, subductions would seldom occur and earth's surface would keep "cracking."

However, subductions do occur to accommodate for the accretion of fresh oceanic crust at mid-oceanic ridges. This, therefore, is more in favor of a fairly constant volume for earth as well as earth keeping a fairly constant and nearly fixed total surface area.

Moreover, the existence of "fossilized," older subduction zones are an indication that such a mechanism of accommodation for "oceanic expansion" (which would be better termed as "oceanic accretion") has been going on for a very long while.

What makes the Pacific plate so active at its subducting borders is that the bulk of mid-oceanic ridges accretions from all over the planet is accommodated there: the gap between the African plus the Eurasian plates and the North and South American plates keeps increasing and is accommodated solely by subductions along the North and South American plates western boundaries.

A similar scenario is presented by the African plus the Eurasian plates and the Indo-Australian plate where the increasing gap is accommodated only at the eastern margins of said Eurasian and Indo-Australian plates along the various Trenches (Indonesia, Philippines, New Zealand, Mariana, Japan, Kamchatka, etc).

Since the North American plate and the Pacific plate are getting pretty much "locked-in" (as are India and China with the Himalayas) the bulk of the mid-ocean ridges accretions are almost directly translated to being accommodated along the Mariana-Japan-Kamchatka trenches/subduction zones.

Hope that the above makes for a clearer picture?

[sdv]

I am still very confused, but am very grateful to all those who are contributing to this thread and trying to understand what may happen and why.

[sdv]

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)

Posted by Paul (here)
[...]

The expansion in the middle of the Atlantic ocean, along the Atlantic rift and in the other oceans, along various Indian Ocean and Pacific ocean rifts, pushes various ocean plates into and sometimes under older continental plates:

Great graphics, Paul!

I guess the confusion comes from the use of the term "expansion" as in "oceanic expansion" and which is taken to mean that the earth is "expanding" as in increasing its volume and therefore increasing its total surface area.

If that were the case, subductions would seldom occur and earth's surface would keep "cracking."

However, subductions do occur to accommodate for the accretion of fresh oceanic crust at mid-oceanic ridges. This, therefore, is more in favor of a fairly constant volume for earth as well as earth keeping a fairly constant and nearly fixed total surface area.

Moreover, the existence of "fossilized," older subduction zones are an indication that such a mechanism of accommodation for "oceanic expansion" (which would be better termed as "oceanic accretion") has been going on for a very long while.

What makes the Pacific plate so active at its subducting borders is that the bulk of mid-oceanic ridges accretions from all over the planet is accommodated there: the gap between the African plus the Eurasian plates and the North and South American plates keeps increasing and is accommodated solely by subductions along the North and South American plates western boundaries.

A similar scenario is presented by the African plus the Eurasian plates and the Indo-Australian plate where the increasing gap is accommodated only at the eastern margins of said Eurasian and Indo-Australian plates along the various Trenches (Indonesia, Philippines, New Zealand, Mariana, Japan, Kamchatka, etc).

Since the North American plate and the Pacific plate are getting pretty much "locked-in" (as are India and China with the Himalayas) the bulk of the mid-ocean ridges accretions are almost directly translated to being accommodated along the Mariana-Japan-Kamchatka trenches/subduction zones.

Hope that the above makes for a clearer picture?

Not really clear to me, because of my own limitations, but thank you so much for contributing the information that may just break through my ignorance.

So pressure along some plates can only be relieved by transferring to other plates, which destabilizes those other plates?

[waves]

Posted by Calz (here)
Some sources suggest most all "critical continuation of government" pieces have been or are currently moving away from the coastline.

But it also means that Google, Facebook, Tesla, Microsoft, Apple and the rest of the very thriving, active and crucial technology central in my backyard 20 miles from the San Francisco coast and not currently making any plans to leave are totally blind, being left in the dark and going to be sacrificed. It doesn't add up to me.

Maybe govt central moving is consolidation to the chosen place, not necessarily escape from the coast, though the chosen place may be deliberately not on a coast for near or way long future safety common sense.

[Hervé]

Posted by sdv (here)
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I am pretty sure that I heard him make a prediction about the African plate splitting in two. Am I correct? What would cause this to happen? The African plate is very stable. Fracking is going to happen in Southern Africa, in the Karoo, but not this year.

It seems he is talking about the East African Rift Valley (see "Continental Rift Zone" in Paul's summary diagram):

East African Rift
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The East African Rift is an active continental rift zone in East Africa that appears to be a developing divergent tectonic plate boundary. In the past it was considered to be part of a larger Great Rift Valley that extended north to Asia Minor. The rift is a narrow zone in which the African Plate is in the process of splitting into two new tectonic plates called the Somali Plate and the Nubian Plate, which are subplates or protoplates.

A map of East Africa showing some of the historically active volcanoes (as red triangles) and the Afar Triangle (shaded at the center), which is a so-called triple junction (or triple point) where three plates are pulling away from one another: the Arabian Plate and two parts of the African Plate—the Nubian and Somali—splitting along the East African Rift Zone.

Posted by sdv (here)
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So pressure along some plates can only be relieved by transferring to other plates, which destabilizes those other plates?

Pretty much the gist of it!

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
I guess the confusion comes from the use of the term "expansion" as in "oceanic expansion" and which is taken to mean that the earth is "expanding" as in increasing its volume and therefore increasing its total surface area.

If that were the case, subductions would seldom occur and earth's surface would keep "cracking."

However, subductions do occur to accommodate for the accretion of fresh oceanic crust at mid-oceanic ridges. This, therefore, is more in favor of a fairly constant volume for earth as well as earth keeping a fairly constant and nearly fixed total surface area.

To be clear to others reading our discussion, even though I have no new insights or evidence, I remain of the view that the earth's mass is steadily increasing, perhaps doubling over the last 100 million years (give or take a big bunch), and that this expansion mostly shows up in the undersea "rifts", where existing oceanic plates are pushed apart faster than they are pushed below the older continental plates at the ocean's edge.