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    Default Who will lead the revolution, the civil disobedience?

    Humans require leadership.

    There are many things that are obviously corrupt and have been for some time on this planet.

    Many know about it, but need to be organized in order to bring about a change.

    Many like to do the education tours about what is going on

    and some of those like to suggest ways that things can be changed

    - but very few want to stand up and be the leader of that change?

    It is hard to educate us into what the problems are and how we can change them.

    But it is even harder to sacrifice oneself to the leadership and hence the organization of others who understand what needs to be done.

    Why do we not have anyone standing up saying I will lead people out of this?

    e.g. if civil disobedience is the answer, where is the person who will organize and co-ordinate the people who will participate in a mass civil disobedience?

    Something to think about - don't we think?

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    Default Re: Who will lead the revolution, the civil disobedience?

    And where will the tools to communicate such a mass revolution come from?

    All the major communication tools seem to be owned by the status quo!

    And if it comes to it, were will the defense of those (peacefully?) revolting come from?

    All the weapons to defend oneself seemed to be owned by the status quo!

    And the status quo has clearly demonstrated it will kill innocent people who get in the way of its goals.

    Anyone else understand what I am saying?

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    Default Re: Who will lead the revolution, the civil disobedience?

    It is easy to point to Martin Luther King and Mahatma Gandhi.

    What if they were both manufactured revolutionary icons of the status quo?

    Why would the status quo like to create manufactured revolutionary icons?

    I don't know the whole story....

    Manufactured revolutionary icons gives us the impression that there is still an option to stand up and revolt...

    when in fact there might never have been an option to revolt - at least without being instantly killed and never heard of again - the only revolt possible is the one that is stamped with the approval of the status quo.

    If that is so what could this mean to us?

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    Default Re: Who will lead the revolution, the civil disobedience?

    Where is John Connor when we need him!

    or is it John Carter we are looking for?

    or the big J.C. (Jesus Christ) in its mythical self?

    Is waiting to be saved just an illusion - albeit a persistent one?

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    Default Re: Who will lead the revolution, the civil disobedience?

    These things have been on my mind for awhile now too, friend. Sometimes it seems that the plagues upon our kind are too deep-seated and widespread to find a collective path forward.

    For my part, I want to make sure that I have sustained clarity within myself above all. That way, I can make certain that if ever I come to lead others, I will lead them out of the darkened cave and not further into it (or off an unseen cliff to an untimely end).

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    Default Re: Who will lead the revolution, the civil disobedience?

    I feel humbled by your good intentions Freed Fox - may they inspire others!

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    Default Re: Who will lead the revolution, the civil disobedience?

    I suspect there is no real freedom within society or large groups.

    A small freedom may be won by somehow being able to unhitch oneself from the society.

    Disappearing from that society - out of reach.

    Living 100% of the land by one's own effort - which is difficult - lets face it - hence people choose the easier option of staying in the society they don't like.

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    Default Re: Who will lead the revolution, the civil disobedience?

    Hi realitycorrodes,

    Thank you for your thoughts!

    To me, the way I see it is that there is no need for leadership, as we need to stop behaving like a herd of sheeps (us humans) been lead by the shepperd (leader).
    That is what got us into trouble the first time.
    I believe the best way is to start seeking freedom from within, by non-compliance, like David Icke says.

    I strongly believe in the "100th effect monkey" in which there are no monkey leader/s at all, but a learned behaviour that comes naturally when enough monkeys keep on doing the same thing.
    By the way I am not saying that humans are monkeys, I am only using the analogy for you to understand my point.
    I hope it makes sense

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    Default Re: Who will lead the revolution, the civil disobedience?

    Who organizes schools of fish or flocks of birds? — All the members within the group naturally use their higher senses to act in coherence, harmony, and entrainment.

    The old paradigm model of leadership is based on crude "order and obedience." First humans have to wake up to the fact that each one is a powerful being with abundant potential. Then the free will decision must be made to use that power to also work together with others. Then everything falls into place naturally.

    There will always be those, who will embody particular talents more pronouncedly. Everybody will move into the right position according to his or her special talents, if the aforementioned steps are taken.

    I don't want to participate in a new paradigm that merely directs sheep. I want to see a genuinely self-empowered humanity, I want everybody to consciously choose the path to enlightenment. What I can do to promote that is living it as whole-heartedly as I can, to let it shine, and to inspire others to do the same.

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    Default Re: Who will lead the revolution, the civil disobedience?

    There is a global resistance and boycott of any of the big boys that do harm to humanity. WE don't buy their products nor talk or set foot on sites, stores, or other businesses that support them. Hit them in their pocket, and like the greedy people they are, they hear a bell.

    Just watched the "devils double" the Uday Hussein story by the guy he "took" as his double/bullet cushion, and how Uday's life turned the tied in War in Iraq.
    He says: "The day of the Sheik are over!"

    He was so wrong. The real Sheik/Teacher/Creator of Justice is just beginning.
    It was horrible the way he snatched school aged girls, forced them to snort cocaine, and raped them and disposed of them in the desert across Iraq. This double and his father, stood up to true, if you believe in it, evil.

    Many thanks to the Creator for restoring our hearts and minds for unconditional LOVE, true Peace and Freedom of choice.
    Last edited by Lifebringer; 22nd February 2013 at 12:54. Reason: comparison of the old paridigm

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    Default Re: Who will lead the revolution, the civil disobedience?

    Quote Posted by realitycorrodes (here)
    Humans require leadership.
    Not this human.

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    Quote Posted by Lifebringer (here)
    There is a global resistance and boycott of any of the big boys that do harm to humanity. WE don't buy their products nor talk or set foot on sites, stores, or other businesses that support them. Hit them in their pocket, and like the greedy people they are, they hear a bell.
    Connected to this idea, we really do need to get it together and demand that we be told on labeling, what products contain GMO foods. Labeling needs to inform us what antibiotics, growth hormones and the like were fed to the meat products we are offered. If we don't get the legislatures to require these simple labeling notices, we won't know to stay away from some things and there is a huge movement to keep this information secret. Monsanto has lots of money to throw at politicians, but we have more votes if the politicians see that it's the votes that count, but we have to get serious about it.

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    Default Re: Who will lead the revolution, the civil disobedience?

    Quote Posted by Conchis (here)
    Quote Posted by Lifebringer (here)
    There is a global resistance and boycott of any of the big boys that do harm to humanity. WE don't buy their products nor talk or set foot on sites, stores, or other businesses that support them. Hit them in their pocket, and like the greedy people they are, they hear a bell.
    Connected to this idea, we really do need to get it together and demand that we be told on labeling, what products contain GMO foods. Labeling needs to inform us what antibiotics, growth hormones and the like were fed to the meat products we are offered. If we don't get the legislatures to require these simple labeling notices, we won't know to stay away from some things and there is a huge movement to keep this information secret. Monsanto has lots of money to throw at politicians, but we have more votes if the politicians see that it's the votes that count, but we have to get serious about it.
    Or maybe buy directly from farmers who live nearby. If you don't know any, or live in an area where there aren't any, then investigate local community food gardens where you can grow you own with like minded people. Why buy from a shop? Meet the farmers and/or start a local food box scheme (Community Supported Agriculture).

    Walk the walk. Why wait for someone else to "be the change"?
    Meet Permaculturists in your area and learn to co-operate, to share...
    I don't know why anyone would want to be led or to lead.
    "What we think, or what we know, or what we believe is, in the end, of little consequence.
    The only consequence is what we do."

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    Default Re: Who will lead the revolution, the civil disobedience?

    30 years ago, I stood up, when I really believed that there was still time to do something. I was wrong. It took them 3 weeks to find me. They told me to sit back down and shut up, or my Family Tree, would disapear. I sat back down. I then took a different approach, and as a result, have found a far more powerfull method, by which to aid humanity.

    One must first come to understand that which is not written...
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    Default Re: Who will lead the revolution, the civil disobedience?

    Quote Posted by Fred Steeves (here)
    Quote Posted by realitycorrodes (here)
    Humans require leadership.
    Not this human.
    Not this human either.

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    Default Re: Who will lead the revolution, the civil disobedience?

    i have been wondering about this revolution myself....
    recently i started my own natal chart, to learn my own secrets if any... and deep in there, theres a lot of revolution-ness attributed of/to me.

    i did wonder upon what i was interpreting, and then i had a dream where in the essence of it, was that a revolution does not have to be huge in numbers, as long as there is one, who is doing/being the change.

    change will follow
    unite, alright
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    Default Re: Who will lead the revolution, the civil disobedience?

    Quote Posted by sirdipswitch (here)
    30 years ago, I stood up, when I really believed that there was still time to do something. I was wrong. It took them 3 weeks to find me. They told me to sit back down and shut up, or my Family Tree, would disapear. I sat back down. I then took a different approach, and as a result, have found a far more powerfull method, by which to aid humanity.

    One must first come to understand that which is not written...
    That is how I see it too, we cannot force change on people that do not want it, it just doesn't work.

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    Default Re: Who will lead the revolution, the civil disobedience?

    Perhaps the only change needed is to change ourselves, be our own leader, develop our own intuition and have face-to-face meetings, on demand, with our HS.

    Until then this training ground may serve a useful purpose as it is. Would any of us want to prevent others from choosing this training experience and the opportunity to play in the big game?

    Even making the choice to come into this reality, apparently so dominated by the dark side, may be a learning experience itself. Similar to accepting a dare. Or maybe this is the ultimate Super Bowl of consciousness, and we play for our favorite team. Either way, this is all Prime Creators adventure of self discovery.

    We should not be so concerned about controlling others, only ourselves. I fully expect that there are an infinite number of choices and adventures that are more fun than being influenced here by greedy dark side control freaks and fear based entities.

    I think SirDipSwitch has found a suitable solution.
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    Default Re: Who will lead the revolution, the civil disobedience?

    Quote Posted by christian (here)
    Who organizes schools of fish or flocks of birds? — All the members within the group naturally use their higher senses to act in coherence, harmony, and entrainment.

    The old paradigm model of leadership is based on crude "order and obedience." First humans have to wake up to the fact that each one is a powerful being with abundant potential. Then the free will decision must be made to use that power to also work together with others. Then everything falls into place naturally.

    There will always be those, who will embody particular talents more pronouncedly. Everybody will move into the right position according to his or her special talents, if the aforementioned steps are taken.

    I don't want to participate in a new paradigm that merely directs sheep. I want to see a genuinely self-empowered humanity, I want everybody to consciously choose the path to enlightenment. What I can do to promote that is living it as whole-heartedly as I can, to let it shine, and to inspire others to do the same.
    You hit the nail on the head Christian. Bravo!
    There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy.

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    Default Re: Who will lead the revolution, the civil disobedience?

    Quote Posted by sirdipswitch (here)
    One must first come to understand that which is not written...
    This is an intriguing line. What do you mean?

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