Graham Hancock's latest experiences with ayahuasca

[Youniverse]

Posted by Maunagarjana (here)

Posted by Youniverse (here)
I love Bruce Lipton sheddie! I don't know how many of you are familiar with Bashar chanelled through Daryl Anka? I just wanted to throw something he said regarding ayahuasca out here. Of course he could be wrong, though it seems to me he is very wise in many other ways. He said that ayahuasca doesn't actually contain DMT. He said it is a mixture of other plants or chemicals. Has anyone ever heard that before? Just wondering.

I'm not familiar with the quote from Bashar, but ayahuasca definitely contains DMT. Yage (the vine Banisteriopsis Caapi) and Chacruna (the leafy plant Psychotria Viridis) are the two main ingredients. Yage contains MAOIs (Monoamine Oxidase Inhibitors, like harmine, harmaline and tetra-hydra-harmine) and Chacruna contains DMT. Sometimes other plants are used that contain other things (these are referred to as admixtures) and every ayahuasquero has their own personal style of brew. But DMT is not normally orally active so that's why you need the MAOIs, because it inhibits Monoamine Oxidase in your stomach, which allows DMT to be orally active. It's an amazing feat of chemistry that the Amazonian natives had figured out (though they say plants are the ones that told them how to do it.) The Yage vine is considered to be the most important plant of the two though (it is also known as Ayahuasca on its own), and the Chacruna is said to more just provide color to the visions.

Yes it is unbelievable how they were able to come up with that! Hmmm, I wonder why Bashar would say that? Well I'd always heard that ayahuasca contains DMT before that and since so I'll take your word for it as well .

[Maunagarjana]

Posted by Youniverse (here)

Posted by Maunagarjana (here)

Posted by Youniverse (here)
I love Bruce Lipton sheddie! I don't know how many of you are familiar with Bashar chanelled through Daryl Anka? I just wanted to throw something he said regarding ayahuasca out here. Of course he could be wrong, though it seems to me he is very wise in many other ways. He said that ayahuasca doesn't actually contain DMT. He said it is a mixture of other plants or chemicals. Has anyone ever heard that before? Just wondering.

I'm not familiar with the quote from Bashar, but ayahuasca definitely contains DMT. Yage (the vine Banisteriopsis Caapi) and Chacruna (the leafy plant Psychotria Viridis) are the two main ingredients. Yage contains MAOIs (Monoamine Oxidase Inhibitors, like harmine, harmaline and tetra-hydra-harmine) and Chacruna contains DMT. Sometimes other plants are used that contain other things (these are referred to as admixtures) and every ayahuasquero has their own personal style of brew. But DMT is not normally orally active so that's why you need the MAOIs, because it inhibits Monoamine Oxidase in your stomach, which allows DMT to be orally active. It's an amazing feat of chemistry that the Amazonian natives had figured out (though they say plants are the ones that told them how to do it.) The Yage vine is considered to be the most important plant of the two though (it is also known as Ayahuasca on its own), and the Chacruna is said to more just provide color to the visions.

Yes it is unbelievable how they were able to come up with that! Hmmm, I wonder why Bashar would say that? Well I'd always heard that ayahuasca contains DMT before that and since so I'll take your word for it as well .

He probably said it because the Yage vine is known as Ayahuasca on it's own. So someone may be given Ayahuasca and it doesn't contain DMT. But most likely, if someone drinks Ayahuasca it's not just the Yage vine, it also has Chacruna and other things. I know, it's confusing that it's known by the name Ayahuasca with and without other plants.

[blufire]

He probably said it because the Yage vine is known as Ayahuasca on it's own. So someone may be given Ayahuasca and it doesn't contain DMT. But most likely, if someone drinks Ayahuasca it's not just the Yage vine, it also has Chacruna and other things. I know, it's confusing that it's known by the name Ayahuasca with and without other plants

And the pure fact that Ayahuasca is so confusing, with a tremendous amount of just flat out wrong information (of which is also in this thread) one should be incredibly careful in using such a powerful mind altering substance.

It always amazes me that this subject comes up in a forum where thousands of members and guests come to read on a daily basis . . . . . therefore those of us who post on subjects like ingesting ayahuasca become responsible for those who act on the information we express.

Please be mindful of those you may influence.

[Youniverse]

Posted by Maunagarjana (here)

Posted by Youniverse (here)

Posted by Maunagarjana (here)

Posted by Youniverse (here)
I love Bruce Lipton sheddie! I don't know how many of you are familiar with Bashar chanelled through Daryl Anka? I just wanted to throw something he said regarding ayahuasca out here. Of course he could be wrong, though it seems to me he is very wise in many other ways. He said that ayahuasca doesn't actually contain DMT. He said it is a mixture of other plants or chemicals. Has anyone ever heard that before? Just wondering.

I'm not familiar with the quote from Bashar, but ayahuasca definitely contains DMT. Yage (the vine Banisteriopsis Caapi) and Chacruna (the leafy plant Psychotria Viridis) are the two main ingredients. Yage contains MAOIs (Monoamine Oxidase Inhibitors, like harmine, harmaline and tetra-hydra-harmine) and Chacruna contains DMT. Sometimes other plants are used that contain other things (these are referred to as admixtures) and every ayahuasquero has their own personal style of brew. But DMT is not normally orally active so that's why you need the MAOIs, because it inhibits Monoamine Oxidase in your stomach, which allows DMT to be orally active. It's an amazing feat of chemistry that the Amazonian natives had figured out (though they say plants are the ones that told them how to do it.) The Yage vine is considered to be the most important plant of the two though (it is also known as Ayahuasca on its own), and the Chacruna is said to more just provide color to the visions.

Yes it is unbelievable how they were able to come up with that! Hmmm, I wonder why Bashar would say that? Well I'd always heard that ayahuasca contains DMT before that and since so I'll take your word for it as well .

He probably said it because the Yage vine is known as Ayahuasca on it's own. So someone may be given Ayahuasca and it doesn't contain DMT. But most likely, if someone drinks Ayahuasca it's not just the Yage vine, it also has Chacruna and other things. I know, it's confusing that it's known by the name Ayahuasca with and without other plants.

Oh ok thanks, that makes sense!

[Youniverse]

Posted by blufire (here)

He probably said it because the Yage vine is known as Ayahuasca on it's own. So someone may be given Ayahuasca and it doesn't contain DMT. But most likely, if someone drinks Ayahuasca it's not just the Yage vine, it also has Chacruna and other things. I know, it's confusing that it's known by the name Ayahuasca with and without other plants

And the pure fact that Ayahuasca is so confusing, with a tremendous amount of just flat out wrong information (of which is also in this thread) one should be incredibly careful in using such a powerful mind altering substance.

It always amazes me that this subject comes up in a forum where thousands of members and guests come to read on a daily basis . . . . . therefore those of us who post on subjects like ingesting ayahuasca become responsible for those who act on the information we express.

Please be mindful of those you may influence.

Ya I couldn't agree more. From my perspective I am interested in having an open and frank conversation about entheogens. I am definitely not here to encourage anyone to use these substances. I'm just having a sincere discussion. And I want to emphasize here, what I said earlier, that I am not for or against entheogen use. I strongly believe, however, that the multitude of testimonies provide ample evidence that they are not what popular culture makes them out to be and actually have some very real and powerful potential applications in spiritual development and healing or medicine.

[Maunagarjana]

Posted by blufire (here)

He probably said it because the Yage vine is known as Ayahuasca on it's own. So someone may be given Ayahuasca and it doesn't contain DMT. But most likely, if someone drinks Ayahuasca it's not just the Yage vine, it also has Chacruna and other things. I know, it's confusing that it's known by the name Ayahuasca with and without other plants

And the pure fact that Ayahuasca is so confusing, with a tremendous amount of just flat out wrong information (of which is also in this thread) one should be incredibly careful in using such a powerful mind altering substance.

It always amazes me that this subject comes up in a forum where thousands of members and guests come to read on a daily basis . . . . . therefore those of us who post on subjects like ingesting ayahuasca become responsible for those who act on the information we express.

Please be mindful of those you may influence.

Those reading this information should be mindful that they are solely responsible for what they put or do not put inside their own body of their own free will. I only pass along information that is freely available to anyone with a search engine. This information is incredibly easy to find and can be found at times even in the articles of mainstream magazines and newspapers. I am very careful never to explicitly advocate the taking or not taking of any drug. If anyone perceives such advocacy in relation to anything I write on such a subject, they are not reading very carefully. This is a very important part of my personal code of ethics and something to which I have devoted a great deal of thought. There is no harm in being informed. What one does with the information is entirely up to the individual.

[northstar]

Thank you Corncrake for posting "Graham Hancock's latest experiences with ayahuasca".

I have been practicing shamanic journeying for more than a decade and I have been blessed to be able to work with excellent shamanic teachers.

I find it interesting that this discussion has been very much about entheogens and aya, when my interpretation of Hancock's post was that it was actually all about Hancock's shock and surprise at encountering transdimensional evil, and how that evil manifests through humans.


Hancock describes how their group of seekers was physically and astrally attacked by one of the members of the group. Hancock describes the events, and he appears to be positively shocked by this realization.

One of the many good quotes from Hancock's post is: “I tried very hard to rationalize what was happening,” he said. “I tried to convince myself that what I was experiencing was just my own shadow side taking illusory form, that this was something I was projecting, but in the end I became certain it was a real force, something utterly alien and deeply, deeply evil and completely external to myself. I tried every technique I know to keep it at bay but nothing worked.”

As a shamanic practioner I have dealt with the dark side for decades so what he describes is not shocking to me at all.

I think that the more spiritual people wake up to the realization that everything is not all "love and light" and good people need to be intentional about doing good and resisting evil, the better off we will be.

[Youniverse]

Yes of course dark forces exist. Would you not agree, however, that once you reach a certain level of vibration good and evil no longer exist? Also, when talking to my good friend sirdipswitch on the OBE thread, he stresses the validity of each of us being eternal, immortal and all powerful beings. In a sense, we are God and should be mindful of that truth when delving into the various planes of existence. So if you or I run into a malevolent entity, should we not order it to go away if we don't desire an interaction? Should we not operate with the swagger and confidence that we are an individuated expression of All That Is and we cannot be pushed around by anything or anyone? I know this is all easier said than done and I'm not being flippant or facetious. It of course has to be genuine confidence, not false confidence.

[northstar]

Posted by Youniverse (here)
Yes of course dark forces exist. Would you not agree, however, that once you reach a certain level of vibration good and evil no longer exist? Also, when talking to my good friend sirdipswitch on the OBE thread, he stresses the validity of each of us being eternal, immortal and all powerful beings. In a sense, we are God and should be mindful of that truth when delving into the various planes of existence. So if you or I run into a malevolent entity, should we not order it to go away if we don't desire an interaction? Should we not operate with the swagger and confidence that we are an individuated expression of All That Is and we cannot be pushed around by anything or anyone? I know this is all easier said than done and I'm not being flippant or facetious. It of course has to be genuine confidence, not false confidence.

Thanks Youniverse for your reply. I appreciate your comments. I have heard this type of thing many times, always from good and well meaning folks who for whatever reason do not want to, or cannot bring themselves to grapple with evil. I am not saying this about you personally, I am just speaking in general about what I have experienced.

I actually agree with much of what you said BUT as a clairvoyant and as a person who has done battle up close and personal with evil all I can say is if people choose to live in the "love and light" world, and ignore the presence of evil either within or around them, all I can do is say "God bless them."

I do not fault those who choose to ignore or deny evil. I simply point out that Hancock's post was all about this topic.

If you read Hancock's post you see that he actually addresses what you said. He and his group members tried all the standard responses to the presence of dark entities- and they didn't work!! Many well meaning folks have dabbled in various spiritual practices and perhaps have encountered and easily vanquished low level dark energies. I have done this myself many time. It is easy.

In this case the Hancock and his group members encountered a powerful dark force (let's just call it a demon for now, hopefully that terminology won't get anyone riled up. ) that was working through one of the group members. The demonic presence beat the crap out of the unsuspecting group members, who were all no doubt in an open and heart centered state (you know, the "everything is love and light" vibe)

Hancock makes it very clear at the end of the post that this happened to alert them all to the presence of powerful evil.

You see, unless good people are willing to admit evil exists both in their own shadow and externally, they will be utterly unwilling to do anything about the suffering that evil causes.

[Referee]

Here he gives an interesting Ted x talk on the subject.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=-b6-0yW7Iaw

[northstar]

Thank you Referee for posting this. This is a fascinating talk for a number of reasons, not the least of which is the fact that this particular talk and one by Rupert Sheldrake were censored and removed from the TedX website due to very vocal objections from certain materialist scientists. There is a long discussion of this censoring process on the TedX blog. I hope I am allowed to post the link here. bit.ly/10OkCKB (this links to the TedX blog - there are some very interesting comments protesting the fact that Hancock and Sheldrake were censored by TedX)

With regards to the video itself, it is excellent.

I have transcribed a few short phrases in which Hancock speaks of human freedom. IMO these comments are extremely ironic considering the fact that his talk was quickly censored. They start at 17:15

""What we're here to undertake on earth while immersed in matter is fundamentally a spiritual journey aimed at the growth and perfection of the soul, a journey that may go back to the very origins of what made us human in the first place.
And I stand here invoking the hard won right of freedom of speech to call for and demand another right to be recognized, and that is the right of adult sovereignty over consciousness.
There's a war on consciousness in our society and if we as adults are not allowed to make sovereign decisions about what to experience with our own consciousness while doing no harm to others including the decision to use responsibly ancient and sacred visionary plants then we cannot claim to be free in any way..." ~ Graham Hancock, from censored TedX talk

[AlaBil]

Posted by northstar (here)
Thank you Referee for posting this. This is a fascinating talk for a number of reasons, not the least of which is the fact that this particular talk and one by Rupert Sheldrake were censored and removed from the TedX website due to very vocal objections from certain materialist scientists. There is a long discussion of this censoring process on the TedX blog. I hope I am allowed to post the link here. bit.ly/10OkCKB (this links to the TedX blog - there are some very interesting comments protesting the fact that Hancock and Sheldrake were censored by TedX)

I too thank you Referee for the posting. I am particularly interested in videos like this that get banned or removed. Thanks to you also northstar for the TedX blog reference where the Rupert Sheldrake video can be seen.

[write4change]

The most important thing Hancock brings to the discussion is calling a spade a spade. This is a war on consciousness and on individual sovereignty. There is no damage to the human body from DMT that is documented to this day. The body produces it but no one knows exactly how or why. People on this thread should also read the thread on the secret life of plants. They are definitely connected. The most telephathic organizms on the planet may be plants and the indication of that has been around since 1966. I have alsways found the fact that we do not contemplate that appalling.

[northstar]

I am not sure if I am allowed to post this here, but I felt like it added to the discussion. There is a petition on change.org to stop the censoring of Graham Hancock's talk. I signed because I was troubled that Hancock's ideas were wrongly suppressed by TedX. (The petition does not mention that Rupert Sheldrake's talk was also censored.)

http://www.change.org/petitions/ted-...ks-video#share

[Youniverse]

Posted by northstar (here)

Posted by Youniverse (here)
Yes of course dark forces exist. Would you not agree, however, that once you reach a certain level of vibration good and evil no longer exist? Also, when talking to my good friend sirdipswitch on the OBE thread, he stresses the validity of each of us being eternal, immortal and all powerful beings. In a sense, we are God and should be mindful of that truth when delving into the various planes of existence. So if you or I run into a malevolent entity, should we not order it to go away if we don't desire an interaction? Should we not operate with the swagger and confidence that we are an individuated expression of All That Is and we cannot be pushed around by anything or anyone? I know this is all easier said than done and I'm not being flippant or facetious. It of course has to be genuine confidence, not false confidence.

Thanks Youniverse for your reply. I appreciate your comments. I have heard this type of thing many times, always from good and well meaning folks who for whatever reason do not want to, or cannot bring themselves to grapple with evil. I am not saying this about you personally, I am just speaking in general about what I have experienced.

I actually agree with much of what you said BUT as a clairvoyant and as a person who has done battle up close and personal with evil all I can say is if people choose to live in the "love and light" world, and ignore the presence of evil either within or around them, all I can do is say "God bless them."

I do not fault those who choose to ignore or deny evil. I simply point out that Hancock's post was all about this topic.

If you read Hancock's post you see that he actually addresses what you said. He and his group members tried all the standard responses to the presence of dark entities- and they didn't work!! Many well meaning folks have dabbled in various spiritual practices and perhaps have encountered and easily vanquished low level dark energies. I have done this myself many time. It is easy.

In this case the Hancock and his group members encountered a powerful dark force (let's just call it a demon for now, hopefully that terminology won't get anyone riled up. ) that was working through one of the group members. The demonic presence beat the crap out of the unsuspecting group members, who were all no doubt in an open and heart centered state (you know, the "everything is love and light" vibe)

Hancock makes it very clear at the end of the post that this happened to alert them all to the presence of powerful evil.

You see, unless good people are willing to admit evil exists both in their own shadow and externally, they will be utterly unwilling to do anything about the suffering that evil causes.

Thanks for your response! Oh I know evil exists, been battling it my whole life. Perhaps you misunderstood something I said. I said the duality of good and evil cease to exist once you reach a high enough plane of existence, closer to Source. There is no doubt about the existence of evil at the lower vibrational dimensions and what we call our universe.

I agree with much of what you are saying as well. I have not done any of the metaphysical kind of battle you speak of so I would have to defer to your words of experience. I think what you are saying is that Hancock and his friends just didn't prepare themselves for the possibility of meeting some malevolent entity. So they didn't know what to do and got their butts kicked. I wonder though, what's the worst that can happen in a case like that? So they get their butt kicked in some etheral realm and come back to their body and carry on with life? There was a kid in Rick Strassman's DMT - The Spirit Molecule that acted all cocky ahead of time and ended up being sodomized and eaten alive by a crocodile simultaneously in his DMT induced state. When the DMT wore off he was pretty shook up, opted out of the experiment, and went on with his life. When checked on a while later he seemed to be doing fine. I don't know, I'm asking those of you that have experienced more of that kind of thing. What's the worst that can happen? I'm a cautious kind of person so I wouldn't be one to jump into any experience without measuring the risks if I could help it.

When Christ approached demons, did they not shudder? So if one were deeply connected to that Christ consciousness or Buddha consciousness if you wish, would they not be much more formidable in confronting a demon?

[Youniverse]

Posted by write4change (here)
The most important thing Hancock brings to the discussion is calling a spade a spade. This is a war on consciousness and on individual sovereignty. There is no damage to the human body from DMT that is documented to this day. The body produces it but no one knows exactly how or why. People on this thread should also read the thread on the secret life of plants. They are definitely connected. The most telephathic organizms on the planet may be plants and the indication of that has been around since 1966. I have alsways found the fact that we do not contemplate that appalling.

Just wondering if you read DMT - The Spirit Molecule? I found that book fascinating, even as a person that has never used any entheogens. He actually does discuss in that book how DMT is made in the body. The why part is a little more mysterious however. Strassman makes the hypothesis that endogenous DMT mediates the transition from the physical to spiritual planes. Not surprisingly he doesn't find concrete evidence to support his hypothesis. Strassman's findings do, however, seem to corroborate with your statement about DMT not damaging the body. Dr. Gabor Mate also came to the same conclusion when he went to Spain to check the most extensive records in the world on ayahuasca use.

[Youniverse]

Posted by northstar (here)
I am not sure if I am allowed to post this here, but I felt like it added to the discussion. There is a petition on change.org to stop the censoring of Graham Hancock's talk. I signed because I was troubled that Hancock's ideas were wrongly suppressed by TedX. (The petition does not mention that Rupert Sheldrake's talk was also censored.)

http://www.change.org/petitions/ted-...ks-video#share

I signed the petition.

[northstar]

Posted by Youniverse (here)

Thanks for your response! Oh I know evil exists, been battling it my whole life. Perhaps you misunderstood something I said. I said the duality of good and evil cease to exist once you reach a high enough plane of existence, closer to Source. There is no doubt about the existence of evil at the lower vibrational dimensions and what we call our universe.

I agree with much of what you are saying as well. I have not done any of the metaphysical kind of battle you speak of so I would have to defer to your words of experience. I think what you are saying is that Hancock and his friends just didn't prepare themselves for the possibility of meeting some malevolent entity. So they didn't know what to do and got their butts kicked. I wonder though, what's the worst that can happen in a case like that? So they get their butt kicked in some etheral realm and come back to their body and carry on with life? There was a kid in Rick Strassman's DMT - The Spirit Molecule that acted all cocky ahead of time and ended up being sodomized and eaten alive by a crocodile simultaneously in his DMT induced state. When the DMT wore off he was pretty shook up, opted out of the experiment, and went on with his life. When checked on a while later he seemed to be doing fine. I don't know, I'm asking those of you that have experienced more of that kind of thing. What's the worst that can happen? I'm a cautious kind of person so I wouldn't be one to jump into any experience without measuring the risks if I could help it.

When Christ approached demons, did they not shudder? So if one were deeply connected to that Christ consciousness or Buddha consciousness if you wish, would they not be much more formidable in confronting a demon?

Thanks for clarifying what you meant Youniverse. I have encountered many comments such as "there is no such thing as evil" from New Agers over the years and I jumped to conclusions about what you were saying.

I am also aware that when we get to very high vibratory state we will be above and beyond this dual world and constructions like "good and evil" won't apply any more.

BUT as long as I inhabit a 3D body I will be grappling with duality, and the rich cornucopia of playthings that this dual 3D reality presents to me.

With regards to aligning with the Christ consciousness or Buddha consciousness, you are quite correct. However, my teachers made it very clear to me that unlike New Agers who call upon a variety of God energies for various reason, practitioners must ultimately stand in their own sovereignty and wield that power themselves. This is a very hard concept/lesson/test for many souls to deal with. The challenge of this is that in order to do so, each person must first make the terrifying heroes journey within and meet and vanquish their own shadow. This journey is not for everyone because it will shatter everything you think you knew about yourself. On a positive note all who do so and make it back return with a priceless gift.

You bring up some good examples. I like the story about the kid and the crocodile. My answer to that is - it depends. Every single time we are defeated / beat up / vanquished we experience soul loss (in shamanic terms) or energy loss (in magical terms) or chi loss ( in energy medicine terminology). Those battles always take a piece out of us. My personal experience of doing this work is that folks who enter into this mentally or spiritually or emotionally unprepared can pay a heavy price.

[Whiskey_Mystic]

Somewhat related, here is an article with one Buddhist's perspective on ingesting drugs as a means to attain enlightenment.

http://www.tricycle.com/cushion/enlightenment-pill

[wolfgaze]

Posted by RMorgan (here)

Posted by EYES WIDE OPEN (here)
I don't think this is true. You can take it legally without being a church member I think. There are Aya churches but its best to keep away. Take it with the Shipibo or some other amazon peoples who have no religion.[COLOR="red"]

Well, South-American nations protect indigenous cultures to some extent, so yes, you can have Ayahuasca during indigenous rituals, just like many other indigenous potent hallucinogenics drugs.

However, as an example, if you start to produce it at home, or use it as a recreational drug, at least here in Brazil it is considered a crime.

The most disseminated Ayahuasca centered religion in South-America is Santo Daime. This is where the brainwashing happens; They drink it, then spend 12 hours or more dancing and singing repetitive Christian hymns; As a religion, it´s got no solidity at all. It´s a poorly balanced mix of indigenous rites and Christianity, led by unenlightened people. Everyone who became affiliated with this religion, become "zombified" after a while.

As for taking it with a Shaman, well, I have no experience with it. Honestly, I´ve never met a genuine indigenous Shaman. I´ve met many charlatans, though.

Raf.

I saw the bolded featured in a documentary type program about hallucinogenic drugs on the National Geographic Channel. The way you describe it is very much how it was depicted on the program. Seemed very 'cult-like' and there were young children participated in the rituals/practices if I recall correctly.