The Higher Self and transcendent experience, including OBEs

[TraineeHuman]

Posted by Shamz (here)
Hello Guys,

... It is more than just a thread for OOBE, TH have covered so many things that can take us to next level. We just have to be honest and sincere - not with the world out there but to ourself.

Somehow making it clear why it’s far preferable to go OB traveling without any body to do the traveling in – that was a major intention I had in beginning this thread. I feel I’ve still failed to do that, though maybe in hindsight it was way too ambitious a target to shoot for.

From my initial point of view, people’s experiences and concerns and interests seemed to keep deflecting the thread off the direction I had wanted it to go. But by continually talking about the transcendent, I’ve managed to sneak in quite a lot of the material I wanted to by the back door. The transcendent is real, and there are many ways we can integrate it ever more into our lives. And I’ve become ever more and more happy to change my idea of the direction the thread should have. Especially given the quality of where so many posters are at, even if they do believe they’ve only ever had one OBE. (One thing I know is that we all greatly underestimate how many we’ve had.)

The trouble with metaphysics is that unless you’ve experienced something, or to the extent that you partially have, it’s just theory. But I’ve made the wonderful discovery, for me, that in such subjects you can go so much further by trying to address each individual’s needs according to the specific interests they currently have and at the “level” they seem to be at -- as far as you can at the time, long-distance. That’s what makes it real.

One of the difficulties is that everyone is unique and at a different “level” one way or another. That’s part of the reason I’ve been including basic material regarding concentration and meditation in recent posts. It’s partly also because I guess meditation is the only truly relevant area that I happen to know well (apart from psychology and psychotherapy, perhaps) that has very strongly transferable skills to OB travel. (Though I feel that by now there’s probably enough material on concentration already.)

I have never had fully conscious OOBE but I have always had this dream of flying - most of the time it is as if I just do long jump and keeps on floating just above the ground - every time I say to myself ( while in dream ) " oh wow I can do this, I can keep floating as long as I want". The feeling is un-believable and unlike anything. Many times my whole body would be humming with this electrical energy - even after I am fully awake.

1-2 times I have this incredible feeling of joy going through my body - I can't recall what I was dreaming - but this feeling is just too wonderful - too joyous even to be put in words. I have always longed for this feeling whenever I go to bed...

Higher dimensions --even the fourth -- feel much more joyful than the third. Are you sure you haven't experienced them and forgotten in some way, Shami?

Now I started reading about this astral travel and OOBE only last year. Loved SirDipSwitch's and AnotherBob's thread here on PA. Read both Buhlman's books and lot of other videos and material. I started practicing the methods and couple of times I came very close to having an OOBE. I had very lucid dreams 3-4 times. Each dream was more lucid than the other - I had vivid feeling of flying...giving commands as buhlman suggested, me calling "go to my HS" repeatedly.
I will keep trying until I have fully conscious OOBE.

Sorry, but as far as I know, any time you experience sleep paralysis it's because you've had a "real" OBE, even if you forget it all.

[TraineeHuman]

Posted by ghostrider (here)
here is what I did, take a candle , and set it three feet away from you, get comfortable and look at the spot where the flame meets the edge of the candle... say in your mind one world. Sun ... don't let any other thoughts enter your mind. No distractions, no phone, no sound, try for five minutes... one word ... Sun ... Sun ... then put some light weight sleeping attire on and make sure the room is dark , and no heavy covers, say in your mind just as you start to get sleepy , When my body goes to sleep my mind will stay awake... you may hear a buzzing sound , dont worry , and your heart rate may increase , don't worry it's normal... be love, be free, be peaceful and loving to earth, humans , animals everything... be love ... close your eyes and notice the shapes of energy behind your eyelids, let them unfold as they do, pulses of energy will roll from small to large right at you , with a warm sensation, all the while your focus, just like the candle exercise, is when my body goes to sleep my mind will stay awake ... you will see your bedroom with your eyes closed , traveling from there is a personal journey , this just gets you in the doorway to OBE... you can return to your body just by thinking about it ...

Lighted candles are a very, very potent method of psychic protection. They are also symbolically quite suggestive of going OB, because they convert solid wax into invisible gas. They are also extremely atmospheric.

The only physical drawback is the fire risk. So, I would suggest investing in a good candleholder for anyone who’d like to try.

Watching a candle is a good way to meditate. However, in my experience beginners at meditation will not go OB while meditating, unfortunately. I guess that makes it very important to have a strong intention of going OB while doing this -- but otherwise to still let go. After some experience beginners at meditation may start to “bilocate”, but still have their awareness and their “senses” partly in the physical. Some advanced meditators will in fact go fully OB in their awareness and “see” all sorts of strange “landscapes” or what lies even further beyond.

[misfit312]

TraineeHuman thank you so much..When I first started meditating my biggest obstacle was trying to keep my mind from wandering,I have the kind of mind that used to never shush up..Now its like it can just turn off,I still haven't figured out how I did that but I love that it goes quiet now..I must admit I have never tried to meditate in a dream but "mastery of anything = the ability to hold still." I really understand this because it can be so hard to do! Thank You also for the explanation on the "come and find me" I was really flustered over that I am not the kind of person who puts myself out there like that so I was a little taken aback even though I felt to issues with that man.I will definitely try to make contact again..I think I am going to read the thread again because now after this experience I think it will help me understand more!

[Shamz]

Dear Friends,

I want to share my method of meditation. It was introduced to me by one of my friends who has done extensive course and training in "Yoga of sound and light".
Sant Math - path of the saints is a form of meditation that she followed. She said after doing it for few weeks she began to leave her body. Do search on Youtube on this.
But I personally do not follow the sound and light yoga 100%. Instead I just took a part of it and have been doing it for some time now.

What it involves is closing eyes and concentrating in the center of your eyebrows or if it hurts try to see your nose tip with your eyes closed. Initially you won't feel anything or see anything and as I said your eyes might hurt - but that means you are trying too hard, just relax your eye muscles.

Here is my experience

So when I close my eyes and concentrate on the area between my eyebrows - in the beginning all I see is darkness - I keep on concentrating - sometimes my eyes start hurting or I feel tension between my eyebrows then I change the concentration away from eyebrows towards my nose tip or away so that my muscles are relaxed. I am not thinking anything in my mind---not expecting anything - after sometime - say about 5 mins - I see/feel darkness going away... I won't say that I see bright light but its like there is a light bulb or sun in the background that is making the foreground bright. Many times I thought maybe while concentrating I opened my eyes little bit and natural sunlight has entered - but then I closed my eyes with my hands and repeated the above I experienced the same thing. After a while, I see the dark clouds condense into a small bubble and burst - its bright blue or Royal blue or Indigo color - just imagine a drop of that color in water and then bursting or expanding and continue to do that over and over again. I try to follow the bursting waves and the keep on going - after a while I start seeing very small bright spot in the middle of that little drop which explodes... I concentrate on that light and think that it will or should grow big and big... it does expand little bit and then burst.

Now I have tried the above at night with complete darkness, I saw the same effect of colors and light. Following those colors is very additive - I have done the above for 20-30 mins continuously sometimes. If I do it more somehow a feeling creep in that I might not be able to open my eyes - because I keep on concentrating too hard.

And I feel that all it does is improve my concentration, because when I do this no thoughts come to my mind - i just want to follow the colors that is it.

Hope it helps little bit.

Peace & Love to all !

[TraineeHuman]

Posted by Malerogro (here)
Here and now it hits me how much I have attacked my father on a psychic level. He has been the one person that always pushed my buttons and got on my nerves. I've always tried to do right by him but never quite got his recognition for it. Now I realise that I might have tried to get his approval in all the wrong ways anyhow. And while growing up I have blamed him so many times for hurting me and for not giving me the recognition I needed. On a higher level I know that he unconditionally loves me but he just cannot really communicate it in the 3D world. I have discovered that I have been most powerful in 5D (as characterized by unconditional love and forgiveness for all that exists). It worries me that I have treated my father so badly on this dimension, especially because I feel I am most powerful there. I can forgive my lower dimensional selves for this because I was scared and insecure. But I do feel the need to make it up to him from a 5D perspective. He is not doing so well now though and might not be open to it on a psychic level. I did sent him a letter once, expressing my unconditional love despite of whatever had happened. It took him months to respond and all he could say in the end was that he was caught of guard and blown away. Any ideas on how I can reach him? Or how I can sent positive energy towards him without forcing it upon him or threatening him by it because he cannot except it at this point?

Well, first of all I have an older brother who also can't express his feelings, much like your father. I believe I know that in his previous lifetime my brother was a member of the Illuminati, and I'm sure some things in his other past Illuminati lifetimes also severely squashed his expressiveness. My brother's children had at one stage cut off all communication with him because they had decided they wanted more -- even though they knew that his main way of expressing affection to them was by giving them expensive presents, which they did like. I had to remind them my brother still hurts, still bleeds, like any other person. I had to delicately persuade them that what they were planning to do -- cut off completely from their parents --would greatly hurt both their parents, and was therefore very unkind and immoral.

So, Malerogro, because your father still hurts and bleeds, I consider it's essential for you to visit him in person. You'll just need to know that although he may not have the words in him, he still has a heart inside, basically just the same as every other human being's. You can still give him a huge hug, and he can still hug you back just as passionately on the inside. This would also give him something positive to remember you by after he dies, something that can wipe away all the other nonsense, which by comparison isn't important at all -- as he'll see very clearly after he dies, but much better to see it while he's still alive. Swallow any discomfort you may feel, and just give him that hug, and make sure he feels that you mean it. Which you do anyway, at a deeper level inside, as you yourself said. And then he will hug you back with feeling. Or if he doesn't at first, then try it again.

It's very important to get this done in the physical world, before he leaves it, for all sorts of reasons. Maybe I'll write a post on that subject shortly. I appreciate you're thinking well, there's greater power in higher dimensions so why not tap into that. But notice how this is also another example of putting "descension" into practice.

[TraineeHuman]

Posted by seeker1972 (here)
... I consider myself a bit of a Monroe pupil as his books and CDs have been the most appealing to me. And I'm starting to see how most of his focus levels map to what you're calling the 4d area. And that upper 4d level that you're referring to a couple posts back I bet is what he calls Focus 27, where a lot of people like to take a "retrieval" to help with the transitions or recoveries that they need to make. Is that pretty much where the "tunnel of light" takes everyone? The receiving area, or the park, it's sometimes called. I guess it's an infinite number of things depending on what's needed. People also set up little homes away from home there, it sounds like. Very neat. And his belief system territories are those with all the different heavens and hells in focus 23-25.

As accurately as I can tell, the place where "the tunnel of light" goes to is exactly midway up the levels of 4D.
But a major problem for many dead people is that they refuse to let go of what is left of their 4D "body" -- the emotional part of their "ego" or "personality". I say "what is left" because most of the more negative energies simply drop off them shortly after death. As I've mentioned, this lives on at least for centuries, but anyone who has truly learnt the lessons they intended to learn in their recent lifetime will be able to drop the whole thing sooner rather than later. It sounds to me like the little "homes away from home" are security blankets for trying to hide one's attachment to one's former personality.

Just thought of a 3rd question: Do you think those 3 glass ceilings are referring to our ability to travel in 4d, then in 5d, then in 6d? I'm thinking that since you said once we learn to reside in 6d, then we have graduated from earth school. Those things make it sound like if there are only going to be two glass ceilings soon, then we are all getting bumped up to 4d, and then will be able to work a lot more easily at the other two ceilings, I hope. But if we were bumped to 5d, then that would only leave one ceiling, not two.

I don't agree with the common notion of "ascension" at all. If everyone suddenly became able to remember some of the times when they were OB traveling as we all do every night while we dream, I guess you could say that would take away one of the ceilings. I think the standard notion of "ascension" is impossible because it involves the most dramatic transformation of the species in at least thousands of years of history being handed to us all on a plate. I say you get nothing for nothing. You have to lift yourself up, not wait for some parent-figures in the sky or wherever to do it for you. (And even if they did, I don't see how you wouldn't tumble back down almost straight away after they had propped you up on the higher level.)
And by the way, Joe, it's great to hear from someone who's already getting fluent at OB travel and exploration of all that's "up" there.

[TraineeHuman]

Jack Kerouac wrote a book called Dharma Bums. In it he described how he and a friend lived for a few full years by having every choice and every decision determined randomly, by a toss of a coin.

By contrast, we have AwakeInADream’s very impressive description, in post #344, of how he has found a way to stay in touch with his HS for periods of time, or at least to receive and listen to his HS’s point of view very clearly. I have found that gratifying to hear, because prior to then I assumed Awake might be one of a number of individuals who I felt could probably make use of recent material in this thread regarding concentration and meditation. I’m somewhat surprised that no-one has reported on any attemptof their own to make use of Awake’s extraordinary discovery, nor asked him if he can remember any other details regarding how he managed to do it.

Recently, Awake attended a job interview, during which he seems to have been successful in staying in touch with his HS. As he puts it:

“I've passed the first stage of the interview process with a group and so next I will be having a one to one interview so I must have impressed.

”I think the trick was to empty my mind and trust that my higher self would know exactly what to say and how to act, and strangely I did seem to display an uncharacteristic amount of confidence on the day without any nerves at all. I am normally quite shy and nervous in these situations.”

I did mention to him that in my experience the HS makes the choice of what would be a beneficial job position for you, and in that sense the intention lies with the HS rather than with your personality or mind. The HS will not always select the most lucrative position available to you, but one likeliest to help you evolve and mature more fully.

Let’s send our good intentions to Awake so that he may be successful at gaining this position.

[TraineeHuman]

Posted by Shamz (here)
Dear Friends,
I want to share my method of meditation. It was introduced to me by one of my friends who has done extensive course and training in "Yoga of sound and light".
Sant Math - path of the saints is a form of meditation that she followed. She said after doing it for few weeks she began to leave her body. Do search on Youtube on this.
But I personally do not follow the sound and light yoga 100%. Instead I just took a part of it and have been doing it for some time now.

What it involves is closing eyes and concentrating in the center of your eyebrows or if it hurts try to see your nose tip with your eyes closed. Initially you won't feel anything or see anything and as I said your eyes might hurt - but that means you are trying too hard, just relax your eye muscles.

Shami, I agree with you that intense concentration on the light or sound in the centre of your head is an interesting form of meditation. If a person can by concentrating “see” the light inside their head, I find it seems to work better than mentally hearing the sound that’s in the same place. Personally I find it enormous fun and extremely joyful to do, but I find that with many types of meditation practices.

This type of concentration or meditation does gradually open up many of a person’s latent talents. That’s a very important thing absolutely everybody should do, because for the last twenty thousand years we have been brought up to believe we are not beings who are full of extraordinary abilities.

I also agree with you that looking for a light, or a sound, inside one’s head is an easier way to learn how to concentrate on that point of the body.

But as I’ve said, there’s a problem if a person develops this form of meditation without first having learned how to concentrate on their heart centre. Such a person can develop delusions of grandeur, and can also unleash extraordinary abilities which they have not learnt to use caringly and responsibly enough.

In your own case, you have such a happy marriage and so much love in your extended family that there is no danger for somebody from a background like yours. You’re already concentrating on coming from the heart quite often in your daily life probably without being conscious you’re doing that.

I would still want to urge you to at some point try concentrating regularly on the light at the oversoul point above your head.

[AwakeInADream]

Hi TH! Thank's for you PM responses and you good intentions above

I've never seen anything in my 3rd eye, but it does pulse quite a lot (at times it moves higher towards my hairline), along with tingling sensations over the whole of my skull, like electricity(slightly rarer). Am I supposed to see a real light in my head when I focus on the 3rd eye? Or just imagine one?

Often (but not too often) when meditating I will see a shadowy face appear and disappear very quickly, sometimes a fully body will appear too like last month when some guy came into view from the left, sat down on a chair and leaned forward, just observing me (I think he wore glasses and had a mustache). This used to scare me a little, but not anymore.

I'd like to hear a little more about what to do when focusing on the heart chakra (which I probably neglect because it's less noticeable to me).

Also more about how the chakras relate to the OBE in general. Are they 'portals' into different D's?

Also, How do you leave without a body? Do you send a point of consciousness out of your 3rd eye?
(this is what I was attempting to do the night I heard the voice for a few hours)

Many years ago I did the playing card test whilst meditating. I imagined a ball of light leaving my 3rd eye and going into the other room where the playing card was, and I really did see the playing card as a shadowy 'hallucination', and it was the right one. I've only ever managed to achieve this once.

I feel that since the last two times I've come close to going out of body I 'got stuck', that maybe travelling without a body would be easier for me to try for first.
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I will post more thoughts about my HS experiences later when I have more time but I will just say this. There are certain things that I am much less afraid of now concerning the destruction of the personality.

[TraineeHuman]

Posted by AwakeInADream (here)
I'd like to hear a little more about what to do when focusing on the heart chakra (which I probably neglect because it's less noticeable to me).

The three different types of concentration are all connected in the exercise of feeling the aliveness -- see post #114.

The way I would put it is that the “aliveness” that you feel inside you – the feeling of how (great, or at least OK) it is just simply to be alive – is your main contact with your HS. It’s the thing that sets up the “connection”. Not that you ever were disconnected or out of contact with your HS, except at some stage you learnt to persuade yourself you were.

Initially, as a young child, you naturally learn how to get in touch with feeling your aliveness, and you do it through your (concentrating on) your heart. And as far as I can see that’s most of the reason why young children find life something that they have to celebrate. This, as I see it, is why children cannot resist playing. Just like the birds can't resist bursting into song because existence feels so great.

As an adult what you need to regain is this sense of being a playful “animal”, a friendly creature. The answer to how you will know when you have done concentration on the heart long enough is when it leads you to recovering the “little boy” or “little girl” inside you that feels glad to be alive, and feels very one with nature. I hate saying "regain" it, because all it really means is reconnect, unblock the well.

[TraineeHuman]

Posted by AwakeInADream (here)
I've never seen anything in my 3rd eye, but it does pulse quite a lot (at times it moves higher towards my hairline), along with tingling sensations over the whole of my skull, like electricity(slightly rarer). Am I supposed to see a real light in my head when I focus on the 3rd eye? Or just imagine one?

“Am I having the “right” experience?” “Should I be seeing a light when I do X?” These questions are dangerous. I guess it’s OK for a beginner to try to see that light when they are first starting out doing the exercise Shami described.

But may I point out that it would spoil our relationship with anybody if before we first met them we went around and collected others’ impressions of that person, and if we then assumed that the person we would be meeting would fit into such-and-such a box – according to our collection of others’ opinions. Much of OBE and meditation is meant to be all about setting aside our limitations and preconceptions – and even more so is anything to do with the HS.

It’s mostly a “negative” way. It’s deeply to do with “less is more”.

Since you feel your third eye pulsing or buzzing or whatever, and you feel the energy flowing through your crown chakra, you’re way ahead of the majority of people. Just go with it and stop messing with what’s already going on. I often feel my third eye buzzing, but I just let it go on doing as it does.

Having said that, though, I guess I still need to address most of your questions specifically, which I’ll do in my next post. And I do welcome your bringing up issues so that others can hopefully learn some pointers.

[soleil]

awake, i would love to read/hear about your progression with your HS and doing OBE.

TH, may i ask about my experiences...at night when i do my active meditating and 'listening in' - i have my eyes closes and just do nothing/think nothing/project nothing...and i end up seeing the craziest psychadelic moving light/colours and sometimes i see faces. EXTREMELY clear/detailed faces that i do not recognize. they appear and stay there for as long as i can view them, i take in their appearance, look at all the details and then sometimes in the middle or when i think i've memorized the face, it disappears and most times i dont rememberthe detail, but just specific things. like one face was a lady with blonde curley hair, and another was an asian man i've never seen before, roughly maybe 40-50's of age. is this some specific frequency i am tuning into? by chance?


and on another note, i'm interested to know if the chords/cords you had mentioned previously are hindering me in any way? this may be off topic, but does that have to do with my karma and or a trait of myself i have to work on? would you be able to tell if i have been progressing at all - similar to how you did the first time? i apologize if this is way off of what you are looking to do with this thread/group.

thank you for expanding this thread, i think it encompasses a lot like many have said so far.

[TraineeHuman]

Posted by AwakeInADream (here)
I've never seen anything in my 3rd eye, but it does pulse quite a lot (at times it moves higher towards my hairline), along with tingling sensations over the whole of my skull, like electricity(slightly rarer). Am I supposed to see a real light in my head when I focus on the 3rd eye? Or just imagine one?

When Vivekananda first came to Australia, one of my former teachers came to hear him. Near the end of his talk, V. asked the audience if during his talk anybody had experienced the energies of their crown chakra just as you sometimes (often?) experience them, Awake. My teacher was the only one in the audience who did. I know that today, though, there would have been quite a few.

V. asked about this because he knew that, as far as he was concerned, it was the certain indicator that the person’s kundalini had already been fully raised (or dare I use the word “ascended”?) So, congratulations. And end of story, as far as worrying about it. Just let it do what it does. And my wish and hope would be that everybody else who reads this thread will eventually also be so lucky. Don't waste your energy looking for a light in the middle of your head. I probably wouldn't even worry about focusing on your third eye at all, for now.

You’ll notice that the physical energies at the crown chakra reach vertically upwards. They actually extend to the oversoul chakra, although they get finer the more vertically up you go, so you may not feel that they go that far, Awake. No matter. It means you’re already using your oversoul. It’s already awakened. Or I think Vivekananda or the other traditional masters would have said something along those lines.

They would also have agreed with me that you need to strengthen your foundation more. But because you’ve already got the “genie” out of the bottle, you can just direct all your attention on the basics, some of which you have been neglecting a little. There are the physical basics and the relating to other people basics. Just work on getting your life right. Not at any fancy level but just taking care of all the boring c**p that comes with having a physical body in the physical world. You don’t need any advice about that. You just need to find the will to do it.

Often (but not too often) when meditating I will see a shadowy face appear and disappear very quickly, sometimes a fully body will appear too like last month when some guy came into view from the left, sat down on a chair and leaned forward, just observing me (I think he wore glasses and had a mustache). This used to scare me a little, but not anymore.

Again, lucky you. I've checked on this character and he's totally benevolent. Nice that he cares enough to visit. I sometimes wear glasses, but it's definitely not me -- and I don't have a mo.
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Also more about how the chakras relate to the OBE in general. Are they 'portals' into different D's?

I would have thought worrying about the chakras would for you be mostly a huge distraction. As far as I understand, a major part of why people were traditionally taught to be aware of individual chakras was the hope that eventually they would integrate it all into a whole when at some time in the future the kundalini energy activated their oversoul chakra, which would then unite all the chakras and everything else, and shower their energy everywhere all over their energy field in a unified way. At that point the individual was meant to largely forget about their chakras, as far as I understand. Everything gets simplified then. Just get your life right at a practical level, Awake.
No, the chakras aren't portals to different Ds. Some therapists "read" the energy of individual chakras and use the information. It's very easy to learn to "read" the energy in a client's chakra. For instance, you read the first chakra and it gives a general overview of their sex life and history. But although these are effective therapeutic tools, I don't see much value in worrying about your individual chakras if you're the client. -- Well, not unless it's something like the somato-psychic healing work of Dr Ravi Ratan from Bombay.
I've also found that being conscious of my chakras makes my psychic healing energy less effective -- because it's a holistic thing -- coming ultimately, though, from (natural, unconscious) concentration on the oversoul chakra.

Also, How do you leave without a body? Do you send a point of consciousness out of your 3rd eye?
(this is what I was attempting to do the night I heard the voice for a few hours)
Many years ago I did the playing card test whilst meditating. I imagined a ball of light leaving my 3rd eye and going into the other room where the playing card was, and I really did see the playing card as a shadowy 'hallucination', and it was the right one. I've only ever managed to achieve this once.

As I've said, if I were you I'd forget about imagining balls of light, or doing anything with your third eye. It's already been liberated and declared its nationhood (as part of you, not in rebellion).
I'll have to pause here and leave the topic of being OB without a body for another post.

[kintun]

Hi all!
I would like to ask Traineehuman another question because of something I've been feeling lately.
Is it possible to have an OBE being awake? I am asking this because I have the strongest feelings that it IS possible. I mean, leave your body at any time or moment, just wanting to do it.
I have been doing some meditation for short periods of time (10 or 15 minutes) and my body feels right as it does when having an OBE. In one opportunity I actually got out of my body, making me feel confused about it because of the sense of weight I had and because I didn't expect to have that experience at that moment. Anyway, I don't see why it couldn'tbe possible although I don't know the risk of doing it.
Thanks!!
Love to all

[TraineeHuman]

Posted by teradactyl (here)
..at night when i do my active meditating and 'listening in' - i have my eyes closes and just do nothing/think nothing/project nothing...and i end up seeing the craziest psychadelic moving light/colours and sometimes i see faces. EXTREMELY clear/detailed faces that i do not recognize. they appear and stay there for as long as i can view them, i take in their appearance, look at all the details and then sometimes in the middle or when i think i've memorized the face, it disappears and most times i dont rememberthe detail, but just specific things. like one face was a lady with blonde curley hair, and another was an asian man i've never seen before, roughly maybe 40-50's of age. is this some specific frequency i am tuning into? by chance?

and on another note, i'm interested to know if the chords/cords you had mentioned previously are hindering me in any way? this may be off topic, but does that have to do with my karma and or a trait of myself i have to work on? would you be able to tell if i have been progressing at all...?

I talked about “seeing pictures” in my opening posts. There I mentioned that the ability to do this often takes dedicated meditators years to develop. The faces and lights and so on that you are seeing are largely or entirely part of this phenomenon. So, my first comment is, congratulations on learning to “see pictures” fluently. You’re definitely doing very well if you see these often. And I much like it that you’re seeing lots of them, apparently.

As I understand it, most of the faces you’re seeing will be (memories) from past lifetimes. It just so happens that most of our baggage is a continuation of something that has gone on for lifetimes. Successful meditation or self-psychotherapy – a form of which you are doing – means mastering whatever the problem energies are, and that ultimately means somehow getting to their root or origin. Because of this, our mind will replay details such as faces and facial expressions from the past (many of which won’t be from this lifetime), if not entire scenes sometimes, like a movie. The hallucinatory or psychedelic pictures you’ve been seeing will be from past drug-taking (including things like hospital antibiotics). If the pictures are running, you’re getting free of the effects now.

Personally I prefer to not look at the pictures but to just look at the “brilliant emptiness” that is Source. Occasionally pictures or snatches of pictures or brief “movies” will just flash into my mind out of nowhere, but I know it’s because I’ve recently released and broken free of some memories it’s related to. In my adolescence I basically fell addictively in love with Source and discovered Source was more satisfying and vividly real than anyone or anything else. But that is also a trap, albeit an exalted one, because it can lead to such major traps as monk-like or nun-like behaviors, for example, or trying to wear a “halo” – which is shorthand for “holier than thou”. And I eventually did need to also learn to master “pictures” and then eventually, later, the things that lie at higher levels (higher Ds) than “pictures”.

You just need to continue watching the pictures but not get involved in them, just let the movies run. And try to notice what the very subtle insight is that comes up once the movie clip has finished. It’s ultimately all about liking yourself and forgiving yourself, in great detail.

How well are you doing? Very well. Well enough. Perfection is largely a myth anyway. The fact that you’re also a single mother means you’ve got a nice other “spiritual practice” that most people don’t appreciate is spiritual at all and that keeps your feet firmly in touch with the ground, a nice balance to the meditation/etc you’re doing.

I know it feels almost impossibly hard, to any aware person to bear handling all this. It feels like “the world out there” is just way too demanding on you and too strong and too insane and crass. But what’s really happening is that you’re dealing with all your baggage from all your past lifetimes. Because of that, you’ll feel that “the world” will make ever more crippling demands on you as the years go on, at least until you’re forty or so. The bad news is that you’ll feel like no matter what you do, you’ll apparently keep sinking deeper and deeper into a hole no matter what your best efforts are to evolve yourself. The good news is, unbeknown to you you’re kind of dragging in all the issues from all your past lives, and the more tough the issues are, the longer they will be with you and they’ll only rear their heads at the end – hence the “ever deeper into the hole” feeling that will be your life. I’ve been there for several decades, and I’ve known other “spiritual” people who’ve done the same for decades. Yes, it feels impossibly hard on you. “Welcome” to planet Earth. I’ve also come out of the “hole” and I’ve seen others do it too. The darker the hole was, the stronger and more subtle and beautiful and outwardly nonchalant it makes you. Believe me, by the time you reach forty or so, the “hole” stops going down and gets shallower and shallower. Then there’s a transition point where it seems like almost all you ever get is dessert. The interesting thing, though, is that parts of what seems like dessert to you often seems like trouble to others – but only because they haven’t climbed out of their holes yet. Life is strange.

You’re wondering if you’ve gotten rid of cords. The cords are connected with the “pictures” in various ways, so I’ve partly covered this by now. On the other hand, there are some cords that stay physically on your body till death, particularly from family members and close friends and bosses and co-workers. What can I say? There are thousands of cords. In every square inch of the body you’ll find there are several of them glued on. There’s no shortcut to getting rid of them quickly – though I’ve seen many claimed methods for doing that even just in this Forum and its predecessors. Just keep on doing what you’re doing, and keep stopping to smell the roses whenever you can.

Let me add that usually when you're making a really big breakthrough, it'll seem to you like you've gone insane and like everything you're doing seems to be going wrong. It's kind of like you've transitioned into hell. You just have to stay with it and bear that faux-hell. Traditionally, the Western esoteric and shamanic traditions talk of there being a "guardian of the threshhold" at every gate to moving into a higher level. That "guardian's" job is to give you hell and only let you through if you prove to him/it that you're strong enough and genuine enough to keep on going regardless.

[TraineeHuman]

Posted by kintun (here)
Hi all! ... Is it possible to have an OBE being awake?

Yes. After enough experience, every OBEer starts doing this naturally, and more and more easily.

I am asking this because I have the strongest feelings that it IS possible. I mean, leave your body at any time or moment, just wanting to do it.

Yes, eventually it's true that whenever you want to have an OBE, you can, in theory, do it. But it wouldn't be safe if, say, you were driving at the time! There's no special risk in going OB while you're awake, as long as you're sitting down quietly and doing nothing. You might also like to look at posts #172 to #175 and #184.

I have been doing some meditation for short periods of time (10 or 15 minutes) and my body feels right as it does when having an OBE.

Exactly right. That's pretty much how any experienced meditator who's been meditating properly is going to feel. Great to hear.

In one opportunity I actually got out of my body.

Me too, now and then, when I do my ten or fifteen minutes of watching-the-breath meditation in the morning. But if I do ten minutes or more of walking q'i gong, afterwards I'll feel so intoxicated with joy/Source it'll be a struggle to get back in my body for hours.

Anyway, I don't see why it couldn't be possible although I don't know the risk of doing it.

No special risk, beyond what I've already mentioned just above. You can also use something like #191 and lighted candles for protection.

Interestingly, there's some amount of intersection between any two dimensions anyway. All the dimensions have a part of them actually right here in the physical world anyway.

I'm trying to avoid saying things which are too philosophical or abstract, because most members won't get what I'm talking about, however much mindblowing truth such things have packed away inside them for anyone with "eyes" to see. But I'll venture the statement that in certain ways the division of reality into the "pigeonholes" that we know as dimensions isn't accurate, or isn't the full story. Because of that, it's part of the natural state of humans to experience all the dimensions at the same time, and we fail to do so only because of our current "fallen" condition.

[meeradas]

Damn... way past forty, and instead of dessert, there's desert - with very scarce oasis stopovers.
[now why does that make me grin all over while writing this, when the original intention was "public self-pity"? Hargh...]

[Eram]

I wonder how you all feel about the talk that promotes to decalcify the pineal gland in order to get in contact with the different levels of our existance more easy.
OBE, meditation, clairvoyance etc.

Since I joined PA and started to investigate more about health issues in relation to nutricion, I found that on many websites people talk about this decalcifcation of the pineal gland and how it helps to get there.

I don't know if this is true for sure, but my personal findings point in that direction though.

I had my 9 amalgam fillings removed about 6 months ago and took homeopathic amalgam to distort the effects of 32 years mercury accumulation in the body.
Mercury is said to damage the pineal gland among many other regions in the body.
Since the homeopathic amalgam I noticed lots of changes in the way that my mind works. All positive.
More clear in the head, better concentration, returning of photografic memory, speed of thingking and processing information etc.

Also, on advice of a member here on PA I started to take borax as is food supplement for my arthritis like symptomes and borax is also said to decalcify the pineal gland.
I take it for 2 weeks now and there is one particular thing that I notice:
My dream life has improved dramatically. That is: My dreams became much more vivid and with much more details.
When I wake up now, I can remember as much as 2 or 3 dreams that I had that night and the memory stayes with me so that I can easily write the dreams down on paper.

At the moment I don't practice with going OBE as it doesn't feel like to right time to persue this, but I wouldn't be surprised if this would go much better too.

Iodine as a supplement is also said to have beneficial effects on the pineal gland.

here is a thread dedicated to decalcify the pineal gland.

So, it would be interesting to hear about your personal experiences and efforts (if any) to work on this on a metabolical level.
What's your take on this TH?


ps: Teradactyl.... your last post with the face and psychadelic moving light/colours that you see: This is exactly what I experience sometimes when I lay awake in my bed and do meditation.

[TraineeHuman]

Posted by Wakytweaky (here)
I wonder how you all feel about the talk that promotes to decalcify the pineal gland in order to get in contact with the different levels of our existance more easy.
OBE, meditation, clairvoyance etc.

I can’t comment much beyond my own experience. Both my parents had bad thyroids, which is genetic, so I’ve got a thyroid badly in need of support. In addition, when I was six I briefly caught a normally fatal disease that I fought off, but ever since then my adrenals have always produced excessive adrenaline and cortisol. The pituitary is the third of the glands that make up the endocrine system, so it’s almost certainly been in a bad way for significant periods of my life.

If you consider the fact that the endocrine system, rather than the nervous system or the brain as a whole, is the master system that controls everything in our physical body, that’s been significant. Over a third of the time whenever I’ve meditated over the last five years, there have been GAs working on my third eye making it buzz. Also about equal time on fixing one or both of my amygdalas. Though I don’t know to what extent they’ve worked on the pineal/hypothalamus/pituitary to heal it, or on the other hand to assist in its self-activation.

Over the past two years I’ve been taking vitamin K2, and also a natural iodine supplement known as thyadine, in addition to a kelp tablet every morning. (Unfortunately it doesn’t seem to be possible, or easy, to get something like Lugol’s in Australia these days.) I’ve certainly noticed this makes it easier for me to come up with original ideas.

But I’d have to say, quoting Paracelsus, that at the end of the day “as above, so below” but not “as below, so above”. Because of this, my GAs can successfully rebalance and heal my third eye area and amygdale because they come from realms that dominate over the physical. It does help them, though, that I happen to be a natural medium.

Of course it helps to use physical means too, like iodine and mercury removal and magnesium supplements and so on as Wakytweaky says. But I feel we can all run purely on “help from above” if it comes to the pinch. Maybe it will take twice as long to get the same quality dreams, etc that we would by physically cleansing ourselves continually, but I believe we’d still get the same quality dreams etc, or at least that I would.

Another way to look at this is in terms of psychic healing that comes from a higher D, and it activates the client’s organism to heal itself on a physical level. I suspect our organism has all the knowledge of how to overcome poisoning or suppression of any kind, and it’s simply a matter of activating the accessing of that knowledge.

Of course, it’s better to use both approaches, if you can. Keep doing the maximum you can, and be open to receiving extra help if you need it.

[Joe Akulis]

"Somehow making it clear why it’s far preferable to go OB traveling without any body to do the traveling in – that was a major intention I had in beginning this thread. I feel I’ve still failed to do that, though maybe in hindsight it was way too ambitious a target to shoot for."

I dunno. Monroe and Buhlman both started out this way. Then they changed their tune later on and tried to promote just shifting focus or awareness to accomplish things. My take on it is, some people can use meditation to begin seeing and hearing in 4D and learn to interpret what they are sensing very well. Other people may struggle greatly coming at it directly like this. I'm currently thinking that going OOB in your energy body to explore 4D is like training wheels. Once you get the hang of interpreting the energy, using the energy, communicating, and things like that, then you should be able to take the OOB training wheels off and do a lot of the same things just by relaxing and meditating. Just an opinion anyway.

I was already getting discouraged again over the weekend because having a wife and four young children makes it impossible to get much quiet time for meditation. So I was starting to think that all of these efforts of mine to learn more about 4D will simply have to go on the back burner until a later time in my life.

Then Sunday night I get another dream. I'm at a race track watching race cars go around and around. *sigh* "Okay, okay, I get the message." It was encouraging to know that my HS is still pulling for me. So I decided to make a dedicated effort every night to "getting out" as I'm dozing off. Last night was mostly a struggle with trying to steady my focus on the particular technique I want to use. And calming my nerves. Man is that hard. Caught myself snoring twice. :-)

Much love to all, see you soon.
Joe

PS. I hope your toe is feeling better!