The Higher Self and transcendent experience, including OBEs

[Shamz]

I would still want to urge you to at some point try concentrating regularly on the light at the oversoul point above your head.

TH,
Does that mean I just imagine a light just above my head and concentrate on it ? I think if I imagine something at the start - I am pretty sure I will find that light eventually...because my mind will make it sooner or later.
But the real deal will be when you just concentrate without expecting anything- then find out what you got?

Am I heading in the right direction ?

Peace & Love !!

[Shamz]

Posted by seeker1972 (here)
" So I decided to make a dedicated effort every night to "getting out" as I'm dozing off. Last night was mostly a struggle with trying to steady my focus on the particular technique I want to use. And calming my nerves. Man is that hard. Caught myself snoring twice.

Joe,

Lol that happened to me too on couple of occasions. Although I did not have a fully conscious OBE yet, but I did have few very very vivid ones.

What I did was sleep atleast 3-4 hours... wake up - do some activity for 10-15 mins and then again try to goto sleep and repeating your affirmations. By doing this I got the vibrations and energy flowing through my body almost daily.

Try to see if that works.

Peace & Love !!

[TraineeHuman]

Posted by Shamz (here)

I would still want to urge you to at some point try concentrating regularly on the light at the oversoul point above your head.

TH,
Does that mean I just imagine a light just above my head and concentrate on it ? I think if I imagine something at the start - I am pretty sure I will find that light eventually...because my mind will make it sooner or later.
But the real deal will be when you just concentrate without expecting anything- then find out what you got?
Peace & Love !!

Hi Shami, You can do either, but as you say, it's certainly preferable just to look rather than imagine in advance what you're going to see.

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Posted by Wakytweaky (here)
Teradactyl.... your last post with the face and psychadelic moving light/colours that you see: This is exactly what I experience sometimes when I lay awake in my bed and do meditation.

Interesting. Nearly three months ago my intuition clearly identified you two as quite similar. I believe the similarity was that although you both were somewhat new to meditation and facing your demons, I felt you both had enormously strong intention to succeed at self-development – or should I say “beyond-self” development. Such intention will take a person far, usually quite quickly, in any field.

[TraineeHuman]

Posted by seeker1972 (here)
"Somehow making it clear why it’s far preferable to go OB traveling without any body to do the traveling in – that was a major intention I had in beginning this thread. I feel I’ve still failed to do that, though maybe in hindsight it was way too ambitious a target to shoot for."

I dunno. Monroe and Buhlman both started out this way. Then they changed their tune later on and tried to promote just shifting focus or awareness to accomplish things. My take on it is, some people can use meditation to begin seeing and hearing in 4D and learn to interpret what they are sensing very well. Other people may struggle greatly coming at it directly like this. I'm currently thinking that going OOB in your energy body to explore 4D is like training wheels. Once you get the hang of interpreting the energy, using the energy, communicating, and things like that, then you should be able to take the OOB training wheels off and do a lot of the same things just by relaxing and meditating. Just an opinion anyway.

I agree regular meditation seems essential for everyone, Joe, although doing it properly seems to me to still be almost a lost art for modern Westerners. The hard part to learn seems to be to truly see or “allow” the whole thinking process, and even the whole self-identification process, as something outside of or only at the edges of ... whatever the reality is that makes the real “you” that you feel inside. I’ve been calling it “letting go (of everything)”, but call it what you like.

I certainly agree with you 100% at least in the sense that truly letting go of one’s physical body is one first step a person can take on the way to learning to do this. One variety of the kinds of training wheels that are available.

I guess OB travel carries a greater novelty value for many, as does psychedelic drug experience for some. The strange thing is, the novelty wears off soon enough. A number of times in my life I’ve managed to become fully or partly self-employed in some field that I loved. You’d think that successfully “following your heart”, “following your dream” would lead to the most enjoyable kind of work possible. Not so. The glamour wears off within months or less, and then the work becomes just as ordinary and plain as in any other field of work.

It's been years since I've gone OB travelling in a relatively high dimension other than through meditation, or else in an unsolicited lucid "dream" but in a higher D than normal for dreams.

I guess the thirst for the "exotic other" diminishes because one discovers more and more that that "other" is the deepest "I" -- or whatever it is that lies at the heart of, or the fullest flowering of, that "I".

[Shamz]

Dear TH,

"Somehow making it clear why it’s far preferable to go OB traveling without any body to do the traveling in – that was a major intention I had in beginning this thread"

I also have a Question on the above statement, I thought OB travel is without the body... where you exit out of body and go about exploring other dimensions etc.

I know SirDipSwitch has mentioned couple of times in his thread that now since he is one with his HS for some time...HE taught him some tricks by which SirDipSwitch can pull his body too - anywhere he goes...so he can travel out and pull his physical body with it.

But What exactly does the above statement mean ?

[TraineeHuman]

Posted by Shamz (here)
Dear TH,

"Somehow making it clear why it’s far preferable to go OB traveling without any body to do the traveling in – that was a major intention I had in beginning this thread"

I also have a Question on the above statement, I thought OB travel is without the body... where you exit out of body and go about exploring other dimensions etc.
...
But What exactly does the above statement mean ?

By "without a body" I mean without a 4D body and without a 5D body, as well as without a 3D body.
Once you reach or are aware of 6D or higher, you don't have any "body" there.

[Shamz]

Posted by TraineeHuman (here)
Once you reach or are aware of 6D or higher, you don't have any "body" there.

Ahh I see - I remember - in 6D or higher - we don't have this notion of physical body - of arms/legs/eyes - we are just one formless awareness.

thanks for clarifying this

Peace and Love

[Eram]

Posted by TraineeHuman (here)
But I’d have to say, quoting Paracelsus, that at the end of the day “as above, so below” but not “as below, so above”. Because of this, my GAs can successfully rebalance and heal my third eye area and amygdale because they come from realms that dominate over the physical. It does help them, though, that I happen to be a natural medium.

Of course it helps to use physical means too, like iodine and mercury removal and magnesium supplements and so on as Wakytweaky says. But I feel we can all run purely on “help from above” if it comes to the pinch. Maybe it will take twice as long to get the same quality dreams, etc that we would by physically cleansing ourselves continually, but I believe we’d still get the same quality dreams etc, or at least that I would.

Another way to look at this is in terms of psychic healing that comes from a higher D, and it activates the client’s organism to heal itself on a physical level. I suspect our organism has all the knowledge of how to overcome poisoning or suppression of any kind, and it’s simply a matter of activating the accessing of that knowledge.

Of course, it’s better to use both approaches, if you can. Keep doing the maximum you can, and be open to receiving extra help if you need it.

"it's better to use both approaches if you can." This is exactly how I feel.

When I read the books from Neal Donald Walsch in the ninetees (a Strange conversation with God), he spoke of the human being as a three-fold being.
We consist of a body, a mind and a spirit.
He goes to explain that to gain growth as a being, it is possible to work on eather one of these three parts and the other two will follow. (in nutshell )

After working on the mind part of my being for about 12 years to get over my depressions and mallfunctioning in society without much succes, I did everything from psycho analyses to emotional body work, I figured to change course and give it a go to work on the body part for a change.... and change is what I got.
In a litle of a years time, I changed from someone who had regular suicidal thoughts (probably due to the mercury levels), CVS symptomes, PTSD symptomes and many more, to someone who is glad with the way his life is going, a smile on his face for large parts of the day and slowly getting in touch with the spiritual side of him, all due to a different diet, a detoxicification program and food supplements... and the intent to do it ofcourse.

So for me, the statements that Neal D. Walsch made, is true.

Further... There are many accounts of people who became enlightened and in the process gained in physical health in the process, without a diet of some sorts.
Breathenarians are a perfect example of people who get their goodies from a non psysical level and still stay healthy.

[Eram]

Posted by TraineeHuman (here)
(Unfortunately it doesn’t seem to be possible, or easy, to get something like Lugol’s in Australia these days.) I’ve certainly noticed this makes it easier for me to come up with original ideas.

Thanks for that tip.
I've been looking for a iodine solution in the Netherlands or belgium, but without succes..
I didn't know that it also goes by the name of Lugol's

Hulda Clarke has an excellent website in the netherlands that sells Lugol's iodine for a fair price, so I ordered some.


I thought to check for it in Australia as well, but no succes under the name of Hulda Clarke.

There is a website however that sells Lugol's there.
http://www.custommedicine.com.au/sho...tion-50ml.html

Hope this is of help to you

[TraineeHuman]

Awake has asked about how to go OB in 6D. For most people, one thing which certainly won’t help them learn to do this is to give themselves the hypnotic command to: “Go to 6D.” (This will only help if you already can consciously go to 6D. Buhlmann is a hypnotherapist, and unfortunately the only “exercises” he seems to know are all hypnotherapy exercises, unfortunately.)

On the other hand, it’s very helpful for you to first have some direct experience of 6D reality while you aren’t fully OB there. One of the most reliable ways to do this is through practicing meditation.

After a few months or less of daily meditation practice, people these days do seem to acquire significant experience of some levels or other of formlessness. The only trouble is, it may be confusing for a person to identify that what they are experiencing is formless. Partly this is because of the conditioning the education system gives us, that everything that’s real has a specific form. Partly also, beginners at meditation often resist wanting to look deeply into any kind of formlessness, or taking it seriously. Instead they’ll be annoyed by all the “fogginess” that they suppose is getting in their way.

If you practice contemplation (for a description of which see post # 301), you enter formlessness each time you contemplate. You do so at the moment you run out of conscious or verbal thoughts regarding the subject of your contemplation.

Another example of something in 6D is whenever you have an insight or an original idea on the tip of your tongue, but you haven’t quite managed to put it into words yet. Still you know that it’s there, and that it will be expressed by the right words and concepts once you find them.

Once you have developed at least a vague half-familiarity with what 6D is like, I guess a hypnotic command to yourself to go there is as good a concentration method as any to take you there, and a very efficient one too. Unfortunately, though, Awake, it seems to be the case that most people at first still seem to need to get OB in 4D and then go to 6D from there.

I love doing physical forms of meditation such as Sufi whirling or walking q’i gong, and I find these seem to take me to 6D once I’ve finished. Maybe that’s just me, but I guess it’s another road you might like to try, Awake. To me almost all forms of meditation and psychic practices seem to go to the same place, with minor variations. But the trouble is, until you actually do them properly you won’t notice how similar they all are.

[TraineeHuman]

The other simple way to know when you are experiencing 6D or higher is when you experience expansion of your energies or consciousness to the point where they appear to become infinite – or to go definitely further than the horizon in any direction.

In my childhood, my adolescence and my twenties I tried a variety of meditation methods, sometimes without realizing that is what they were. But with each one there was the same pattern of progression.

Let’s say the method is repeating a mantra over and over in your mind. After a while (maybe a week, a month, or whatever), it seems like everything, in perfect unison, in the space around you is repeating the mantra over and over, not just your mind. And somehow that appears to be totally “normal” and happily so. Then the size of the physical area in which this seems to be happening gradually expands. It’s a bit mindblowing at first, or maybe even slightly frightening.

At a certain point the physical area involved gets bigger than to the horizon in every direction. That’s the point where, if you notice carefully, it becomes non-physical and now contains the physical as a part, inside of it. Welcome to 6D. I’ll leave it to you all to discover what else you experience there. It's all fun, basically. Experience the infinite no longer as a mathematical concept but as a simple reality you directly see and feel.

[kintun]

Hi!
Reading your last posts TH, I thought I could share a couple of experiences I had some years ago:
My cousin (psychologist, with great experience in hypnosis and past lives) was trying to hypnotize me to remember some strange time loss in my life. The thing is that I only got very very relaxed and saw nothing but blackness. And I felt this wonderful feeling of being nothing, just like energy or air, if you could call it that way and the sensation of expansion and fulfillness was amazing!! It felt as if I was an idea, a feeling, I don't know how to explain it really. ..but I could expand and fill space, and embrace it too all at the same time. It felt so different than being human....I had no limits o boundaries, no up or down, no inside or outside...I don't know how to put it in words....
Would you say this was something like 6D??

[TraineeHuman]

Posted by kintun (here)
Hi!
Reading your last posts TH, I thought I could share a couple of experiences I had some years ago:
My cousin (psychologist, with great experience in hypnosis and past lives) was trying to hypnotize me to remember some strange time loss in my life. The thing is that I only got very very relaxed and saw nothing but blackness. And I felt this wonderful feeling of being nothing, just like energy or air, if you could call it that way and the sensation of expansion and fulfillness was amazing!! It felt as if I was an idea, a feeling, I don't know how to explain it really. ..but I could expand and fill space, and embrace it too all at the same time. It felt so different than being human....I had no limits o boundaries, no up or down, no inside or outside...I don't know how to put it in words....
Would you say this was something like 6D??

Seeing nothing but blackness means that the person hasn't learnt to switch on the "sight" of their awareness in 6D yet, but at least they are there, they've walked through the door, yes indeed, kintun. There isn't any matter or physical energy in 6D, so the person's mind is likely to "see" blackness at first because that's how the mind habitually portrays complete absence of matter. That blackness is only in the person's mind. Eventually the person will learn how to "turn the lights on" and start to discern what kinds of beings and things are there instead of anything resembling the "lumps" that we know as bodies. (I'd say you probably did learn to do this between physical lives when you were living in 6D. I'd say you saw blackness during your hypnosis session because right now your mind has gotten itself used to handling and expecting the physical.)

At the very least, people seem to soon experience that the "darkness" is, paradoxically, more bright than what we're used to anywhere in the physical. And it's also more satisfying, more sweet, more joyful than anything in the physical world. And it's everywhere there.

And the world there isn't empty at all, despite the initial impression that it is. It's just more -- well, abstract. Usually, in the physical world, we say something is abstract because it doesn't exist in the physical. In 6D it's reversed. Abstract things are concrete there, but almost anything that's concrete in the physical becomes only faintly real there.

Plato tried to describe what the 5D world is like by saying that it's a world where ideal or general forms are real, but concrete examples of them are less fully real. The 6D involves going even further and throwing away general forms as themselves unreal too.

You can think of the 6D world as the world where what is real is "ideas" or "instinctive sensings", before either of these get put into words. Attaching a word-label pulls them down into 5D. But from a 6D point of view, for example, the reality of you walking down the street, say, reduces to a combination of pre-verbal ideas of "street" and "walking" and "you".

[TraineeHuman]

How can you fix your mind or your attention on the HS if you have no consciousness of it, or no conscious experience of it? You can’t. Buhlmann’s instruction “Go to the HS” makes no sense at all in that situation.

You can only concentrate on the idea – the idea of “the HS” that you have no idea what it really is, or perhaps the idea of something Divine working within you, or the idea of whatever you feel in your heart as a force inside that you know is working inside to liberate everything you are.

Whatever you concentrate on the idea of then, you must consider the HS as something different from the mind and its thoughts, your emotional self and its feelings, and your body and all its actions and impulses. Something totally separate yet pervading all of you without being involved directly.

[TraineeHuman]

In the meditation traditions the practice is not to “go to 6D” but instead to wait for 6D or higher to come to you and into your body and mind. The way one does this is by cultivating the experience of peace, or stillness, during meditation, by learning to stay detached from the mechanical thinking process. In fact, the mainstream teaching in both the Jewish and the Christian meditation traditions has been that it’s impossible to go further than that by your own efforts; and that only “grace” will take you further.

That peace or stillness can take two different modes at different times. Sometimes it takes a very joyful mode, where it’s like a beautiful, delicious nectar. At other times it takes the mode that’s neither pleasant nor unpleasant, but is just clear and empty – and a little weird, too, but it just is. The peace or stillness gives one a great foundation for perceiving what's in the higher dimensions.

Then again, once you’ve learnt to bring 6D in via the stillness, it does make sense to go travel there to explore it. As I’ve said, several years after traveling in 4D I started trying 5D, but only because I read someone’s suggestion that tat was worthwhile, and even more interesting. Similarly, a year or so later I decided to “go to 6D”, and I was ready for that too.

[TraineeHuman]

I guess a common phenomenon for some dedicated individuals is to be able to “hear” the HS. We’ve seen Awake tapping into this at least for a time, as he mentions in #344.

Being able to “hear” the HS does seem to come at around the same point when you acquire the ability to begin to travel in 6D. But it’s a lot less slippery than coping with formlessness.

As I understand it, what people call “the HS” normally means the part of ourselves that lies 6D and beyond. In 6D, words are no longer used. But it’s possible to grab the meaning of any communication and pull it down into 5D, where the right words get attached. In that way, people can think of their HS as “talking” to them in words.

But the question is, are you going to listen? The HS doesn’t compromise or pussyfoot. It will keep bringing up truths about your life that you often won’t want to face, or at least not so bluntly and directly. The HS will keep leading you out of your comfort zone. Do you really want to put yourself in embarrassing or uncomfortable situations, just because they’ll help you become free of physical world “karma” quicker? Most people don’t. I think undoubtedly the “narrow path” or the “strait gate” that Jesus speaks of is precisely this.

Still, it’s not nearly as tough as it might sound. Yes, it is “narrow”, because you either listen to and obey your HS or you don’t. But as I mentioned in posts #112 to #114 and #119, once you’re aware of having “two selves”, one of which is your HS, suffering is greatly reduced because the HS brings itself down into the physical world and makes most of the suffering vanish.

The other reason why it isn’t as tough as it sounds is as follows. After a while you get used to doing all those uncomfortable things. Pain or fear are only there for a moment, at the beginning, and then you just kind of sail on through them and leave them behind. So it eventually becomes a habit to listen to your HS most of the time.

[AwakeInADream]

Thanks TH and everyone who has posted recently! The last few pages have been priceless to me, and a lot of things are starting to make sense to me now. Its also a great validation that many of us are having similar experiences.

TH, from your description of 6D it has become clear to me that I have experienced this many times in meditation over the years, I just didn't know what it was called. Also it usually ends very quickly because whenever my perceptions start to change mode, it excites me and frightens me at the same time, enlivening me back into mental activity.

I was curious today to see if I could get into 6D again so that I could observe it properly. So I meditated and found the expansion of space happening after a few minutes, but because I knew more about what was happening, I was able to observe it for much longer this time. Also I was able to 'push it out' a little further than it had ever been before using only the intention to do it, and that's when the feelings got a little more intense. Beautiful feelings of peace, and others somewhere between joy and bliss. I enjoyed this for quite a while, and it was a great and new experience for me because even though I have meditated for more than 10 years off and on, I've never really payed to much attention to how it feels. In fact I have mostly avoided feelings in meditation, and tried to be as empty as possible, (although at times I have used the 'artificial' feeling of 'unconditional love' as a focus object). So now I've realized that I can expand the space once I'm there, I have something to work with and develop.

Is it possible that this small amount of control I have found can help me to eventually go travelling in 6D?

Also, can you give us any tips as to how to turn the lights on whilst we are there?
(I had a strange sense of sight and depth but in darkness)

And, my main motivation for wanting to have an OBE is so that I can speak with my guides and guardian angels, so which dimension would most easily facilitate conscious communication with them?

(I've seen a man in a white robe with white hair and beard (a stereotype I know) in very vivid dreams on 3 occasions and he communicates with me mind to mind in pure wordless thoughts, I think he might be a guide, but the knowledge just doesn't filter through)

Cheers!

Awake

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Oh! I've also found that I can cause the crown tingling sensations to happen anytime I still my mind and focus, but they are more intense when they happen on their own. I feel energy flowing in through my hands and feet, I don't feel anything then until they resurface in my skull where the flow gets a little more complex before coming up out through my crown. I guess this is why I'm happy all the time without any real reason to be(for the last 6 months), it sure beats the deep depression I had to go through in getting to this point. (I didn't get the job I went for and even that didn't phase me, HS has better plans for me)

So I'm going to forget all about the chakras for now and just work with what I know is really there.

Would it be advisable for me to consciously intensify these energies (or redirect them), or should I just let them do they're thing?

[AwakeInADream]

TH, you've just reminded me. I keep asking my HS 'what should I do now' and 'what job should I apply for' using the 30 second meditation exercise, and I keep getting the similar images popping up. I keep seeing dogs. Does the image of the dog simply mean 'obey the HS'?

EDIT: And I've noticed that suffering is something I can choose not to do now. I've never felt so hopeful, even though I appear to have so little. I sense a great hope for the world as a whole too, no matter how it looks on the surface. Something wonderful is just there waiting for everyone in the world to see it.

[kintun]

Posted by TraineeHuman (here)
I guess a common phenomenon for some dedicated individuals is to be able to “hear” the HS. We’ve seen Awake tapping into this at least for a time, as he mentions in #344.

Being able to “hear” the HS does seem to come at around the same point when you acquire the ability to begin to travel in 6D. But it’s a lot less slippery than coping with formlessness.

As I understand it, what people call “the HS” normally means the part of ourselves that lies 6D and beyond. In 6D, words are no longer used. But it’s possible to grab the meaning of any communication and pull it down into 5D, where the right words get attached. In that way, people can think of their HS as “talking” to them in words.

But the question is, are you going to listen? The HS doesn’t compromise or pussyfoot. It will keep bringing up truths about your life that you often won’t want to face, or at least not so bluntly and directly. The HS will keep leading you out of your comfort zone. Do you really want to put yourself in embarrassing or uncomfortable situations, just because they’ll help you become free of physical world “karma” quicker? Most people don’t. I think undoubtedly the “narrow path” or the “strait gate” that Jesus speaks of is precisely this.

Still, it’s not nearly as tough as it might sound. Yes, it is “narrow”, because you either listen to and obey your HS or you don’t. But as I mentioned in posts #112 to #114 and #119, once you’re aware of having “two selves”, one of which is your HS, suffering is greatly reduced because the HS brings itself down into the physical world and makes most of the suffering vanish.

The other reason why it isn’t as tough as it sounds is as follows. After a while you get used to doing all those uncomfortable things. Pain or fear are only there for a moment, at the beginning, and then you just kind of sail on through them and leave them behind. So it eventually becomes a habit to listen to your HS most of the time.

Well, I couldn't agree more with you.
I started listening and obeying mi HS many years ago, in my adolescence, mainly because I liked to rebel to anything and anyone and because I thought it was fun to follow "my strange" ideas jajaja
After a couple of decades it happens as you say, its a habit. And when I don't follow the path I regret it always. What in the beginning seemed strange, out of place or risky now seems to be the only right and rational way to do things.

[TraineeHuman]

Posted by AwakeInADream (here)
I keep asking my HS 'what should I do now' and 'what job should I apply for' using the 30 second meditation exercise, and I keep getting the similar images popping up. I keep seeing dogs. Does the image of the dog simply mean 'obey the HS'?

Awake, I’m glad to hear you’ve made progress in certain things. But I’ve never come across anyone else who wasn’t able to understand what their HS’s answer was using the 30-second exercise. Sorry, but what I suspect is that you subconsciously don’t want to receive the HS’s answer, because if you did you realise you’d need to obey it.

I asked my HS the question about what field of work would be very good for you. The answer I got was training or lecturing or teaching. I’ll ask my HS again tomorrow, and PM you with the answer I get then.

“Dogs” could mean almost anything. It could mean customer service, or security, or courier work, or vetinary work. Unfortunately, I suspect it could also mean in some way that subconsciously you consider any job may be demeaning, in a way making your life into that of a “dog” if you work in a job.