critical question about power of Mind, and Law of Attraction (LOA) 'trend'

[lookbeyond]

Posted by niki (here)
all the 'beautiful' and 'spiritual' words/jargons aside, in reality, no matter how "feeling good" and Imaginations we're trying to do,..it still won't be able to completely change the *physical* reality,..no?

for the simplest example: let's say if right NOW, I imagine & think of a thousands rays of colors now shining and permeating my room right now,..yet,..NOTHING will happen, and my room still as mundane & usual as like before,....no matter how much I've tried to imagine or THINK about it..

or also same with when I imagine & think, and also really want to *manifest* into becoming a bird, and fly to the blue sky above... NOTHING happened.. and I'm still stuck here in my room (reality!).

so,..I'm just sincerely wondering, where is the truth in all of this?
is it really real, or it's just another beautiful theories only?

any critical thoughts, or proof?
thank you.

Dear niki, i was searching for "explanations" for some spiritual experiences ive had in life by reading up on sites on the internet when i came across Avalon.I didnt search out my experiences, they came to me- ? by way of Grace? who knows. Some here would even call some of it mind control, but by intuition, i would not.You see , i dont think we can be certain of it from this perspective, but we get a feeling.There are some who believe that our Higher Self has the answers accessable thru meditation, astral travel? I see all our "Paths" are different.Our paths to what? even we cant agree on this.One thing i do know is this, that being the best you can be each day, loving those who may be even unlovable in whatever way you come to interact with them is a cause for Grace, try it. Keep it simple, dont aim for fireworks, they may or may not come- why? i dont know, but i know living in service to others instills gratitude for what you actually do have.

Love lookbeyond

[phillipbbg]

"thousands rays of colors now shining and permeating my room right now"



The colours you want are already there, if you squint your eyes enough they will perform the same way as a prism in the image above and split the white light into its different coloured components.

Its the same as people saying is the glass half empty or half full when it is full all the time... fluid in the bottom and air in the top hence it is full. Its all about perception with this one.

My suggestion is to focus on something like a car space before you get there or something similar as a test for yourself, having said that focus on the gap not the cars in the car park... snow skiers end up crashing into trees because they are so focused on the trees trying to avoid them they miss the gaps... same thing with the law of attraction.

Hope this is useful for you

[niki]

Posted by Paul (here)

Posted by niki (here)
so,..I'm just sincerely wondering, where is the truth in all of this?
is it really real, or it's just another beautiful theories only?

any critical thoughts, or proof?

I removed the red "critical post" exclamation point from this thread, and moved this thread from the General Discussion sub-forum into the Spirituality sub-forum, where some (not all) of the following threads discussing the same topic are already located:

• Laws of Attraction
• Law of Attraction: Positive and Negative thinking:
• I'm Confused About Law of Attraction..?
• Debunking the Law of Attraction and "Thoughts Create Reality" Religion
• The Law of Attraction, Belief & Conscious Creation Archangel Metatron via James Tybe
• The classic question....So, where does the law of attraction fit into all of this??
• Law of Attraction - Does it work?
• " The Law of Attraction" Part 1 Archangel Metatron via James Tyberonn

@Paul : thank you very much for listing all the sources in details,

one that particularly really catch my eyes right-away/immediately is this one:
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...ality-Religion

very critical , I'm glad there are still people who use strong logic, common sense, being rational & critical, in these days of "woo-woo Anything could happen yayy let's be positive all the timeee no sadness we made ittt!!" superficial BS era.

once again, thank you (also for some critical comments here, instead of just some "woo-woo beautiful words" only. really appreciate 'em! because some of you *know* what I'm looking for in an answer/response!)

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by niki (here)
@Paul : thank you very much for listing all the sources in details

For a year now, you've been demanding logical, common sense, proof and disparaging what you term "woo-woo superficial BS".

Many hours have been spent, by many members, over the last year in an effort to answer your various questions and demands. This thread is but one such example.

The key reason I compiled that list of sources was to offer you even more resources that might be useful to you in your search.

You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make them drink (old proverb in my culture.)

One can provide the student with the materials, but only the student can learn and grow.

Ultimately, we here on this forum cannot satisfy your quest for you. Only you can do that.

The time has come to back off on the asking, questioning, demanding, beseeching, disparaging, ... All those behaviors leave you powerless, as they leave your success in the hands of others, blaming others for doing a poor job, beseeching them to do more, or thanking them for doing a good job.

Instead the time has come to learn and to grow, to take the initiative to find the evidence you seek and discern the insights you crave. We'd likely be wasting our time to continue to attempt to quench your thirst for you, if you will not drink deeply of that which has already been provided.

Your power resides in you, not in us.

[soleil]

Posted by Ilie Pandia (here)

Posted by niki (here)
all the 'beautiful' and 'spiritual' words/jargons aside, in reality, no matter how "feeling good" and Imaginations we're trying to do,..it still won't be able to completely change the *physical* reality,..no?

for the simplest example: let's say if right NOW, I imagine & think of a thousands rays of colors now shining and permeating my room right now,..yet,..NOTHING will happen, and my room still as mundane & usual as like before,....no matter how much I've tried to imagine or THINK about it..

or also same with when I imagine & think, and also really want to *manifest* into becoming a bird, and fly to the blue sky above... NOTHING happened.. and I'm still stuck here in my room (reality!).

so,..I'm just sincerely wondering, where is the truth in all of this?
is it really real, or it's just another beautiful theories only?

any critical thoughts, or proof?
thank you.

Hi Niki,

You are over simplifying this. There is nothing wrong with that, in general, but since you ask for "proof" and "critical thought" you need to go more in depth that this!

A lot of successful people use focused intent, day dreaming, visualization, setting goals etc, and they don't care how it works nor do they need any proof. They know it works and that's enough for them.

But if you want to know the so called "mechanics of manifestation" then you need to brace yourself for a lot of learning.

There are a few more basic questions that you need to try and find some answers to:

- what is *physical* reality that you keep referring to?
- what is light (and what is color)
- what is definite proof? how do you know something is definite or not?
- what is human perception? (This is a big one. Have a look at NLP, and you will learn that your perception is NOT the reality of things, not by far!)
- you room is never mundane and never usual, that is your *perception* of it. In fact, a different observer may say is full of "colored light" (again this ties into human perception and representational systems)
- look into the concepts of subconscious mind and how that filters what "you think to be reality". This filter is so strong that you may not "perceive" things literaly in your face, you may have hallucinations all together
- try to understand objective vs subjective reality
- understand that your 5 senses perceive a very very limited of what we now know is out there. Not only that, but your "unconscious" filters distort the signals

All of the above "pointers" should give you enough critical thought for an year or so if you want to take the dive. But you have to do your home work! As so many have already told you, nobody can do it for you! No matter how beautiful and perfect their answers are, they are NOT your answer and you will not accept them.

Now let's see if anything that was said on this thread will be allowed by your filters into your mind, or you will just consider it more non-sense that requires "more proof"

niki, i know i may have come across as harsh in my first post to you. i have to say i may have been in a similar spot when i first started investigating "all this". i suppose i want to ask if you have reflected on the questions that iliepanda has posted?
also my next question is, do you in fact meditate? or try to meditate?
have you reflected/meditated to your higher self? if you havent tried this, i would recommend the 'how to experience OBE and higherself" by TraineeHuman, in the spirituality folder.

basically (and critically speaking) i feel(and can tell by your posts/fact) as though you are 'THINKING' too much, and not allowing your creative self to interpret these questions you are posing. honestly, stop asking us what is real, and investigate for yourself.
the only thing you have left to lose is your beliefs up until now. can you handle it?