What controls the hologram?

[observer]

Posted by Ba-ba-Ra (here)
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Just a short note to thank you for your input. (in both of your most recent comments)

[observer]

Posted by donk (here)
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The litmus test that I apply to any interpretation which I encounter: I look to see if the material in question draws any suspicion or doubt on the status quo. The more the suspicion, or revelation to the inappropriate nature of that status quo, the more likely that interpretation is coming from a place of Love, and is not the manipulation of the controlling element. One is free to apply this test to anything I've stated here-in.

As to your question regarding:

"what is the tangible evidence that indivisible, infinite field is somehow controlled by someone/something outside of reality?"

In the "Holographic Workshop" series of videos linked in the OP, it is quite well explained how the Hologram is being manipulated, down to the quantum level, so that every individual existing within this particular reality, perceives the commonality we all share in precisely the same way. This is control of how we all perceive atomic structure itself, once the quantum field of infinite potential has been converted to matter by the human brain. If this is not a controlling manipulation, then perhaps I missed something.

I only had the time to watch Ray's video until about the half way mark, and the flood of comments caused me to reply to Ray in the way I did. I would rather Ray leave his video so that other members might get an idea of what this thread is not about.

What I was able to see regarding the video was a lot of personal testimony relating to personal experiences with the Astral Plane, and all the rhetoric was painted in the wash of a Christian point-of-view. This is just the sort of dogma we all must overcome to get to the foundations of the problem we all find ourselves within.

With regard to the divisions of the quantum field, I believe you might be confused with the terms being used.

Divisions of the levels of possible universes, outside of the Quantum Field/Astral Plane comes to us essentially from Eastern Philosophy. The Buddhist and Hindus make the claim there are twelve levels of Heaven. In String Physics, I believe, there are mathematic justifications for up to Ten Universes. [Heavens/Universes>>>>semantics] None of this is what we are talking about, here.

The Quantum Field/Astral Plane is only something surrounding this particular reality. It is infinite in potential. The only aspect of the formula that divides this infinite field of potential is each individual human brain.

I hope this clears-up any confusion....

[observer]

Posted by greybeard (here)
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Thank you for your input, Chris. I will have to watch this video several times to see if it has any application to what we are investigating, here in this thread.

In response to your comment in post#37, however:

"How can an illusion be controlled?"

I would implore you to watch the first three parts of The Holographic Workshop linked in the OP of this thread. It is clearly described in that workshop how this "Holographic Movie" (that which you refer to as an "illusion") is manipulated down to the way every individual perceives the commonality, in much the same way, of this particular reality.

[heyokah]

Think I won't be too far out of line with this one.

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Here's David Icke on the most watched morning TV program in the UK !
(14th march 2013)

Although, David doesn't give a clear answer to the OP's question, he is doing very well.

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"Who's projecting the projection?"......

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=LkQWjZD9Tf4

From this Thread.

[CD7]

Posted by Ba-ba-Ra (here)

Posted by CD7 (here)
I am being serious...this is quite a serious matter don't u think?
It is truth...it is what's been going on and Is going on...in this holographic web

It's my observation, observer....all my life

Perhaps there is another way to change things, but from Wht I see we are insane as we do the same things over and over and over expecting different result?!

Starting with the perspective of circular behavoir is a beginning...
It's not meant to make ur point/thread seem pointless....
Its an observation to take serious...

I understand what you're saying, but I believe that what we're doing here is exploring ways to do it different. Hopefully everyone on this thread recognizes how what we've been doing isn't working for most humans and we're trying to understand why. Is there someone or something holding us in this matrix and is there a way to break the chains that bind, so to speak.

Thankyou for ur response! Yes i understand wht u mean about exploring different ways and tht most on this thread recognize the circularness of it all. I suppose thts why i interjected...'breaking the chains tht bind' of whtever the pinnacle of it all is?, has not seen the light of day. Been searching for a way to go in a different direction...not certain if using words is the way to accomplish true awareness/knowledge as to me the language/ symbols/ communication are all apart of it (matrix/hologram)--which makes for an arduous task in revealing anything different

whoever/whtever is spinning the controls...its very dysfunctional...destructive (in my neck of the woods, anyway) The "reality" could b so different, not sure how we ended up in the house of horrors-made to look like candyland?

Like i said i did not mean to demean the thread, this subject is very interesting to me. I find the point that we have not truly realized our condition in all its modalities important--considering man has been asking questions for eons with no results

[observer]

Posted by heyokah (here)
Think I won't be too far out of line with this one.

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Here's David Icke on the most watched morning TV program in the UK !
(14th march 2013)

Although, David doesn't give a clear answer to the OP's question, he is doing very well.

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"Who's projecting the projection?"......

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=LkQWjZD9Tf4

From this Thread.

Thank you heyokah for posting this most relevant video. David has nailed the essence of what we are speaking of here in this thread.

I also might add to your comment:

"Although, David doesn't give a clear answer to the OP's question, he is doing very well."

....many of the questions that David didn't give a clear answer to, have no clear answer. One must apprise one's self of the provable facts in this matter and come to one's own conclusions, based on those facts.

Every member participating in this thread should take the time and listen to this video.

[Pay particularly close attention at what is being said beginning at the 5 min.: 10 sec. mark of the video. David's answer - "feeding" - to the question asked is the crux of this investigation.]

[heyokah]

Posted by observer (here)
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[Pay particularly close attention at what is being said beginning at the 5 min.: 10 sec. mark of the video. David's answer - "feeding" - to the question asked is the crux of this investigation.]

Yes.... they operate on the fringes of our perception band !

[observer]

Posted by heyokah (here)
Yes.... they operate on the fringes of our perception band !

That too....

[CD7]

Posted by heyokah (here)

Posted by observer (here)
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[Pay particularly close attention at what is being said beginning at the 5 min.: 10 sec. mark of the video. David's answer - "feeding" - to the question asked is the crux of this investigation.]

Yes.... they operate on the fringes of our perception band !

Ive seen similar comments before so i am not directing this question at anyone in particular....

If these beings cannot be seen..who's seen them? Are most of these beliefs accepted because someone is saying it in the big circuit? Or are they from personal experiences?


I no of noone who has witnessed/knows of these type beings in their experience...

[Delight]

Posted by observer (here)
....many of the questions that David didn't give a clear answer to, have no clear answer. One must apprise one's self of the provable facts in this matter and come to one's own conclusions, based on those facts.

I appreciate the conversation here.

From my belief system, the hologram being illusion as constructed IS GREAT... it means that it is just play and "no fault" FOR US.
How it is being used is to constrain and limit and is not anything like what we feel it could be...that means we are "outside" the game really.
We know something calls us to stretch and question.

For instance if we are to experience our own "power" safely, it needs a safe container to play in and learn from, and illusion that seems so real is excellent as a tool.
But if as David Icke says it was hacked to limit possibility, all the "opposite" of what it could be, it is used in a distorted way.
Then there is the possibility of the game containing the opportunity to hack the collective hack?
Take back the proper use of the illusion to learn about our creative powers in this "no fault" zone?

Feeling insecure and so anxious is what I have experienced as keeping me in the vibratory state of the "collective" treadmill.....
So, even though all may be a hologram in its manufacture, there are ways to redirect the appearance and undo the programmed perception we repeat and repeat.

I like David Icke so very much. He has affirmed over and over what I believe is true.
He has such confidence in the ability to unhook from the programmed hologram contents..
Simply to take a deep breath, not react, "think through" calmly and respond after we have "thought through to clarity" changes the seat of the place of our mind's position.

Then we shape the appearance consciously...Mind being the "Builder"
Disconnecting from the reptilian survival reaction is really basic to the process.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=nbhbcnGNNaw

[donk]

I hope this clears-up any confusion....

It does to a certain extent, I just wonder:

The Quantum Field/Astral Plane is only something surrounding this particular reality. It is infinite in potential. The only aspect of the formula that divides this infinite field of potential is each individual human brain.

...when does the *** (existentialist? Humanist? not sure the word here...) view where nothing we percieve outside of ourselves is "real" become "dogma" or just another metaphor, no different essentially from "spiritual" beliefs?

[lookbeyond]

Posted by heyokah (here)

Posted by observer (here)
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[Pay particularly close attention at what is being said beginning at the 5 min.: 10 sec. mark of the video. David's answer - "feeding" - to the question asked is the crux of this investigation.]

Yes.... they operate on the fringes of our perception band !

Is this fact? i ask because this is something i experience multiple times/day-lb

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Posted by CD7 (here)

Posted by heyokah (here)

Posted by observer (here)
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[Pay particularly close attention at what is being said beginning at the 5 min.: 10 sec. mark of the video. David's answer - "feeding" - to the question asked is the crux of this investigation.]

Yes.... they operate on the fringes of our perception band !

Ive seen similar comments before so i am not directing this question at anyone in particular....

If these beings cannot be seen..who's seen them? Are most of these beliefs accepted because someone is saying it in the big circuit? Or are they from personal experiences?


I no of noone who has witnessed/knows of these type beings in their experience...

Hi Christine, i see these at my periphery everyday, my children have reported them spontaneously to me as well-lb

[observer]

Posted by Delight (here)
[....snip]

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=nbhbcnGNNaw

I am reposting the David Icke clip you posted in your comment #50, Delight, to emphasize the importance of what this man is saying in this video. I would hope all those members following this thread will take the time to watch this video. Its content is most relevant to many of the questions being addressed here.

[CD7]

Hi Christine, i see these at my periphery everyday, my children have reported them spontaneously to me as well-lb

When u say u see these in ur periphery...wht are u seeing? Can u b more specific?

[lookbeyond]

Hi, during the course of the day,most notably when im at home on my own ( not ever driving or at work),there will be a fleeting movement of a non distinct shape enough to make me turn my head to look in that direction.I always thought everyone saw these things.For eg one day sitting here typing at computer (doorway in my right periphery about 1.5 metres away i saw in my peripheral vision a tall light shape about size of a person glide into the room, but of course there is no-one there, hope that helps, lookbeyond

[Youniverse]

Posted by lookbeyond (here)
Hi, during the course of the day,most notably when im at home on my own ( not ever driving or at work),there will be a fleeting movement of a non distinct shape enough to make me turn my head to look in that direction.I always thought everyone saw these things.For eg one day sitting here typing at computer (doorway in my right periphery about 1.5 metres away i saw in my peripheral vision a tall light shape about size of a person glide into the room, but of course there is no-one there, hope that helps, lookbeyond

I have those experiences quite a bit too actually. However, I wear glasses, so I have chalked it up to be light reflecting off the inside of my lenses sometimes and thus creating some sort of image. Or it could be the other thing you described, ha ha.

[Youniverse]

Posted by heyokah (here)
Think I won't be too far out of line with this one.

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Here's David Icke on the most watched morning TV program in the UK !
(14th march 2013)

Although, David doesn't give a clear answer to the OP's question, he is doing very well.

****

"Who's projecting the projection?"......

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=LkQWjZD9Tf4

From this Thread.

Enjoyed this video very much and makes total sense to me. Notice the typical reactions of the show hosts to what David is saying. Fear of the unknown! this is all too normal. When there is so much fear and ignorance it is so difficult to get anything through to these people. Now I'm not saying David Icke has all the answers but he's certainly on the right track in my view. It's just a lack of understanding and missing key points of information. For if anyone knew what they were missing by staying asleep in the matrix they would laugh at themselves for being so foolish and do everything they could to explore more of themselves. The lady host felt what many of us may have felt at some point. She had this fear, IMO, that if she genuinely embraces the truth that her reality is an illusion, she will disintegrate and become nothing. Except that the opposite is actually the case. But once again I'm preaching to the choir, ha ha.

[Youniverse]

I was just curious if anyone on this thread have read Isis Unveiled and The Secret Doctrine by Madame Blavatsky? I haven't read them but I've read about them recently and they may or may not apply to the topic discussed here.

[heyokah]

Posted by observer (here)

Posted by Delight (here)
[....snip]

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=nbhbcnGNNaw

I am reposting the David Icke clip you posted in your comment #50, Delight, to emphasize the importance of what this man is saying in this video. I would hope all those members following this thread will take the time to watch this video. Its content is most relevant to many of the questions being addressed here.

The more I listen to David Icke, the more meaning this simpe little anecdote gets.



Thank you David Icke for connecting the dots.
Thank you observer for pointing it out.

[crosby]

Posted by Finefeather (here)
Here is something which IMO is a lot closer to the truth than anything I have ever heard by those who just have not had the actual experience.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=FTq0xjJaWkw

Finefeather, this is excellent, thank you for posting. it has opened my eyes widely!
warmest regards, corson