I dont think there is reincarnation.

[ghostrider]

chew on this, everything is made of energy/spirit , and energy/spirit doesn't cease to exist, it just changes forms ...

[Maunagarjana]

For a while I was agnostic on the issue of reincarnation. But what made me start to change my mind is when I found some evidence by Dr. Ian Stevenson dealing with children who remember past lives that are verifiable. He also made observations relating to birth marks located exactly in the areas the children said they were mortally wounded in previous lives.

http://reluctant-messenger.com/reincarnation-proof.htm

http://www.scientificexploration.org...2_1_tucker.pdf

http://www.scribd.com/doc/36464062/I...logy-Intersect


Trutz Hardo's writings on the subject are very interesting as well:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/56200505/3...rnation-Primer

http://www.esolibris.com/articles/re...e_year_old.php


Also, cases like this do raise an eyebrow:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=SF3KqGpxXvo

This kind of stuff started a process of investigation for me that led me in many directions that introduced me to ideas that before I would not have taken seriously, but that now I find far more convincing than the explanations of the afterlife put forth by Christians and Muslims that now seem rather childish and myopic to me. I mean, look at all the cultures around the world who have accepted reincarnation in some form. The Hindus, Buddhists, Jains, Taoists, Ancient Greeks (metemspychosis they called it), Ancient Egyptians, Druids, etc.....and yes, even Christians (Gnostic ones) and Jews (The Pharisees).

Then there's the whole past life/between life hypnotic regression sessions that get results from people of many different backgrounds (whether they believe in it or not), and in some cases the details can be verified as having happened. But the passage that Hangel posted upthread from the Dolores Cannon book about "imprints" does suggest that in many cases it may not work the way we think it should.

Ultimately, my view is that of all the beings in existence, on all the planets, in all dimensions (or however you want to say it), there is really only one of us here, and that this is very difficult to see within this reality/illusion (or as I like to call it "reallusion"). And that Being that is All Beings is none other than the Creator of the cosmos. When we finally return to the source and we look back upon this little life we are living, we will see that we literally *were* every single being we ever met or laid eyes on, and all the other ones we didn't. The best explanation that I can give for people who have a problem with this idea of oneness or unity is that the Creator had/has *only itself to create with*. Nothing could exist outside of that because it is existence itself.

[meeradas]

What one thinks doesn't matter.

[Omni]

To me reincarnation just makes the most sense.

[Ammit]

Wow, I don't believe I could ever be so certain of something like this.

I have had dreams like anyone else where I live a different life in a different time. Every now and then a dream correlates to the area I now live. These dreams give a wealth of information of that past time that I could not have known, unless as I did, ask old locals about the times when they were younger and I got things confirmed. Is this some sort of proof of past life?

Also

Again in dreams, I sometimes get information of the present. I have dreamt of being on the inside of buildings which until recently were not available for anyone to see. These are the strange ones because the details often shock me as to my remembered accuracy. Not so much a past life if it happens during my current life time, but possibly a clue to a link between all our memories and experiences being some how part of a greater overall existence where we can take information left by others in the ( I don't know ) ether or universal memory matrix...

But, I do believe in re birth.

[sheme]

I am surprised that Edgar Cayce hasn't been mentioned too much here.

His work really convinced me and for those that don't know his story I suggest they will find it a fascinating one.

However if you need the proof of reincarnation to match your vibration, Ask Source in an earnest way - and follow your intuitive perception- and the answers will be given to you, through books talks experience, a personalised answer designed for your vibration. How wonderful.

http://www.edgarcayce.org/are/edgarcayce.aspx

[Tony]

Reincarnation.

If we do not believe in reincarnation, we will see life in a certain way.
If we do believe in reincarnation, we will see life another way.
Each will have a psychological effect on how we live our life.

This is a huge subject, and it is connected to understanding non-duality, which in itself is not easy to understand.
I'll try to keep to the bare bones. To investigate a subject thoroughly, we have to take it apart.
When learning anything, we accept that 75% is provable, 20% is inference and 5% is trust... more or less.
If we want an instant answer to match our personal mind set, this will be very difficult for such a closed mind.
An open minded approach is necessary to see our reasoning at work.

Firstly, I have to say that I have buddhist friends who do not believe in reincarnation - so you are not alone!

At one time in past history, a mere gesture from the teacher was enough for the truth to be pointed out:
nowadays we need words - lots of words! For some of us, a short phrase can open our minds,
whereas sometimes we need years of meditation.

As an example of gesture: imagine your hands as mirrors. Hold up your hands, palms facing outwards (look).
Now turn your hands so that palms are facing inward (see). Drop them on your lap (drop).
That is the pointing out instruction, as given by a qualified teacher. The teacher would perform this gesture
(at the right time), and long ago that was enough: the student would then rest in non-dual awareness!
I've even heard stories of individuals having tea with the teacher, and afterwards, the teacher merely said,
“That's it!” This happened to one of my teachers, who told me he walked away asking himself,
“What did he do? What did he do?”...and found that his mind was empty...

Nowadays, we have to use words. The point about non-dual awareness is the recognition of timeless essence.

As another personal example. I realised that which looks out of my eyes now - and when I was 4 years old -
has never changed. The body changes, the ideas change, and the fluctuating sense of awareness changes,
but the essential non-dual empty essence is always present. That proved to me that there is that which never dies,
was never born, and merely...is. But that won't do for everyone.

Back to reincarnation.
We are born with a certain set of temperaments and leanings...and hidden skills.
One could say that this is due to chemicals, and DNA from our parents. However, some of us are very different
from our parents - and don't know why. As there is nature, there is also nurture, and so these natural leanings
can become covered over by the environment in which we live. In fact, this is invariably the case
– it's the fog of living in society!

At times, we are aware of 'having done this before'. There are individuals who know, and chose to be reborn here:
these are called bodhisattvas (there are nine levels) and they have no fear of Samsara, and know the true nature
of everything. Many claim they are the chosen ones, but this is just wishful thinking!

If we say life ends at death, then there is no reason to consider long term causes and effect (karma).
If we acknowledge the possibility of reincarnation, then whatever we do or think, matters ...really matters!

So what reincarnates?
Well, the answer must be a confused consciousness, which obscures essence, and which is driven by our karma,
created by our fixation on ideas about ourselves. The last thoughts in our life produce the potential for the next life.
So most of us have no choice, when the overwhelming hurricane of karma is at work in the Bardo
(the gap between death and birth): through fear we will take shelter wherever it seems safe
...and we can make mistakes – and we normally do!

There is no real proof about reincarnation. We can read accounts, and come to our own conclusions.
Even if we remembered what it was really like, it will be coloured by our cultural understanding.
The potential of reincarnation means there will be consequences to our actions, which could make us more caring,
and less selfish. If we live in non duality (selflessness) and love (benefitting others more than oneself),
it doesn't matter what happens at death, as we will know that we have lived a fulfilling life.

Above all, we have to know that compassion has a purpose. People are the way they are because of mistaken
beliefs they hold on to, from the past.

Whatever conclusion you come to, consider what is life, without love? When one understands non dual awareness,
reincarnation, its causes, then compassion naturally arises when dealing with others.
Compassion, however, may take many forms.

[Chester]

you are born, you live, then you die

that is it

you take nothing with you thus "you" do not exist past your one life

if you generate a soul, that is another lie you agreed to buy into to your'self' and yes, that lie can experience other experiences beyond this one life... but that is only so that you can continue to lie to yourself such that you produce emotional loosh when you face up to some of your lies to yourself that other "beings" (some are spirit beings and some are artificially produced "thought beings") can feed upon what you cast off. It is all and only a "universe" of consumption and you are alternately pretending to be either a consumer or find yourself (usually shockingly) being consumed.

Enjoy the illusion that only a lie to "your 'self'" can produce.

the "self" is the first order lie one generates which produces the "self" in the first place.

"You" are nothing more than an illusory fragment of a fully demented mind... one that was probably captured and placed into a "dream machine" (which is what produced you) so that the sane minds can exist in peace.

Get the clue or continue being food forever.

Apologies.

Note: all the above is all and only my opinion. Don't take any of it seriously.

[Akasha]

I try, at all times, to avoid the notion of belief entirely.

I'm much happier in the frame of mind of not knowing than when I try to prop up theoretical systems for the sake of wanting to comprehend the incomprehensible.

The indescribable but at the same time tangible feeling (not belief) of LOVE is all I need from one day to the next.

[sheme]

You can't get skills like this in one life time- most of the learning goes on while you rest between lives- death is a school that equips you with the skills you need to get the best from your next life experience. The Religiosity and dedication that some people express when they master a skill that enables the thinking man to observe in wonder.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=C7HL5wYqAbU


Background.....training.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=Qnq4hHv61DY

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by tnkayaker (here)

Posted by AMystic3434 (here)
There is only one life that we get.

actually from everything i have read and the sources i have read, they all say, we "CHOOSE" ...

I edited your last couple of posts, just above, Dennis (tnkayaker).

I suggest when you're responding to some post on a thread, that you use the "Reply With Quote" option (below and to the right of each post). This works better than copying and posting the other guy's words, because the "Reply With Quote" option will make it clear

• which words are those of somebody else that you are quoting, and
• which words are your own words that you are writing.

I also edited your Post #2594 on the Tirelessly updating Avalon on the El Hierro eruption thread the same way.

If you'd like to practice with quoting when posting replies, you're more than welcome to make practice posts on the Sandbox Thread. That's a good place to try things, without worrying much about making mistakes as you figure it out.

Welcome to Avalon !

[PurpleLama]

My earliest memory was a dream of dying, as an adult. So, in my personal experience it's not so much a question.

[foreverfan]

This is a must view for all believers and non-believers.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=HayY1yyXnn0

[Wind]

Food for thought.

http://www.facts-are-facts.com/magaz...gest-lie.ihtml

[mahalall]

Expand the presence, and the past will show itself,

Seeing ones future reincarnation??

[Chester]

In my experience (apologies, but this is all I have that I feel comfortable in relating most of the time)...

In my experience, as the veil is lifted and the lovely "matrix" is revealed, there are layers of "revelation" (like peeling off layers of an onion) which I (and so I assume we) experience. What appears to have been the case, I went from one "world view" to the next based on what I realized after peeling off a new (deeper) layer.

So here are the highlights of my lovely journey.

I was born and saw and experienced a material world which I was able to manipulate to some extent and sometimes to my own satisfaction.

I then discovered there seemed to be a "third party" between "me" and "my experience" which also seemed to have a say in the matter as to what i actually experienced.

I then concluded (based on the popular belief) that this was "god."

I then became braver because I had concluded that there was "god" and that "god" knew what was in my heart and that because I believed what was in my heart was "good," that "god" would assist me in ways only "god" could.

I then concluded the world was terrible screwed up.

I then decided to "save" the world.

Through that experience I discovered how full of "total bs" I was.

So then I looked at my experiences and had to question how I could be so fooled and at the same time how could I have acquired this strange, massive "connection" to all that comes forth in my reality experience which manifests through massive synchronicity that anyone with basic mathematics acumen would realize was impossible to simply be "coincidence."

That's when I smelled a much more insidious "rat" - that being "god" itself.

So then I started to study both my own reality experience as well as the reality experience others were having. I especially studied the "conclusions" and "assumptions" I and others would draw about their experiences. And it is now quite clear to me that all these lovely things we "think" or "believe" or "conclude" based on our waking state experiences, what others tell us, our dreaming and/or trance and/or "past life recall" state experiences (where it appears almost all the "bs" so many love to buy into and latch onto... such as "reincarnation" comes from), we are able to adopt a comfortable view that -

a.) there is some greater "power" or "source" from which we came.

b.) that all of our experiences are meant to "teach us" something we either never knew or forgot - because this source or power "loves us."

c.) that each of us "is eternal" and thus things like "reincarnation" is real and each of us, individually, lives on forever.

I am of the world view now that all these things we believe but have no proof of is simply games we play on ourselves to keep ourselves from what may be the actual truth all along.

All of this is bs and an illusion and there are some within this illusion who know this and take advantage of this with no conscience. The true psychopaths. And we are their toys.

Enjoy Easter Week!

[Prodigal Son]

Posted by Wind (here)
Food for thought.

http://www.facts-are-facts.com/magaz...gest-lie.ihtml

Awesome link, Wind. Much appreciated. Amazing how it all boiled down to one demon-possessed Witch named Theodora. I just posted it on my favorite forum for obnoxious ex-JW's

[sheme]

Posted by justonewookiee (here)
In my experience (apologies, but this is all I have that I feel comfortable in relating most of the time)...

In my experience, as the veil is lifted and the lovely "matrix" is revealed, there are layers of "revelation" (like peeling off layers of an onion) which I (and so I assume we) experience. What appears to have been the case, I went from one "world view" to the next based on what I realized after peeling off a new (deeper) layer.

So here are the highlights of my lovely journey.

I was born and saw and experienced a material world which I was able to manipulate to some extent and sometimes to my own satisfaction.

I then discovered there seemed to be a "third party" between "me" and "my experience" which also seemed to have a say in the matter as to what i actually experienced.

I then concluded (based on the popular belief) that this was "god."

I then became braver because I had concluded that there was "god" and that "god" knew what was in my heart and that because I believed what was in my heart was "good," that "god" would assist me in ways only "god" could.

I then concluded the world was terrible screwed up.

I then decided to "save" the world.

Through that experience I discovered how full of "total bs" I was.

So then I looked at my experiences and had to question how I could be so fooled and at the same time how could I have acquired this strange, massive "connection" to all that comes forth in my reality experience which manifests through massive synchronicity that anyone with basic mathematics acumen would realize was impossible to simply be "coincidence."

That's when I smelled a much more insidious "rat" - that being "god" itself.

So then I started to study both my own reality experience as well as the reality experience others were having. I especially studied the "conclusions" and "assumptions" I and others would draw about their experiences. And it is now quite clear to me that all these lovely things we "think" or "believe" or "conclude" based on our waking state experiences, what others tell us, our dreaming and/or trance and/or "past life recall" state experiences (where it appears almost all the "bs" so many love to buy into and latch onto... such as "reincarnation" comes from), we are able to adopt a comfortable view that -

a.) there is some greater "power" or "source" from which we came.

b.) that all of our experiences are meant to "teach us" something we either never knew or forgot - because this source or power "loves us."

c.) that each of us "is eternal" and thus things like "reincarnation" is real and each of us, individually, lives on forever.

I am of the world view now that all these things we believe but have no proof of is simply games we play on ourselves to keep ourselves from what may be the actual truth all along.

All of this is bs and an illusion and there are some within this illusion who know this and take advantage of this with no conscience. The true psychopaths. And we are their toys.

Enjoy Easter Week!

So let me get this straight "bs" is everything wonderful anyone ever thought about God Source Reincarnation and everything= Your personal revelation?

Hmm Well my BS (beautiful stuff) just can't see the benefit in making your choice- you see it just doesn't serve me, I definitely prefer the belief system I already have. That Love is all there is. Peace and light is yours if you want it.


http://www.askteal.com/ see what the universe has for you-

[PathWalker]

I also do not believe in reincarnation.
I know it, I live it with myself and my family. It is normal phenomena in our family daily life.

Mainstream Islam, Christianity, Judaism ignore it or deny it. The mystical studies assumes this as reality.

Reincarnation is something you experience in your life very strongly. Otherwise it is another belief system.

No matter what we will all discover it when we pass to the other side.

Joy and happiness
PathWalker

[Corncrake]

"This is a must view for all believers and non-believers."

I watched this documentary some years ago and found it fascinating and - in particular the holocaust regression - very moving.

Another good thread on the forum on this topic: Proof of Life After Death as will as several threads on past life regression.