Are the aliens really demons....?

[Finefeather]

Posted by northstar (here)
Regarding implants, ....... Trust me, no-one was more shocked than I when I first encountered one in a person I was working on. Unlike my clairvoyant practices for which I have received ample external verification, I have nothing to objectively "prove" that what I see in certain people's energy fields are actually implants. I only have my depth of shamanic journeying experience in non-ordinary reality. Those who resonate with what I am saying will receive the truth of this on an energetic level, and those who come at things from a left-brained perspective will not. And I am totally OK with that.
Peace friend.

Hi northstar
Thank you for the reply. Please do not get the impression that I reject implants, and am refuting your ability. I have seen them many times from the astral side, I was referring to alien...as in out of this world...implants. I understand that we have different ideas of what we see and deal with in this field. We are all still trying to put the pieces together.

For example...Amzer just posted on hypnotic implantation which is for me a very interesting phenomena. My research into this seems to point clearly that hypnosis is an emotional phenomena. The fact that not everyone can be hypnotized, indicates that a more rational thinker is immune to it, or does not get caught up in the desire to be and do what he is not.

I wish you well and strength in your work and look forward to reading more of your experiences
Take care and love to you
Ray

[Finefeather]

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
Implants have gone on for eons since they are as simple as a post hypnotic command/marching order...

Then, subjugating a soul-entrapped being to go haunt so-and-so till the end of time upon being sacrificed to some sort of god(s) and you've got yourself another kind of "demon."

The basics are simple but the creative imagination on how to "use" it is endless...

The crux of the problem resides in answering the question: "How come a being ends up trusting the hypnotist more than itself?"

Hi Amzer
This is one of my favorite subjects.
As I mentioned in my post to northstar this appears to me to be an emotional response.
I cannot help thinking that most actors are in a state of hypnosis when doing their part...this is a sort of self imposed hypnotic trance which gives them a high when they play out parts which they desire to be like.
An interesting thing I have observed is the similarity of the parts many actors/actresses play...almost like a little reincarnation inside of a life.
Take care
Ray

[music]

As a musician, I would say when one really gets into playing music, the element of "hypnosis" is there as well, but to be honest, I have always equated this trance-like state where I play "beyond" myself to transcendance.

[Hervé]

Posted by Finefeather (here)

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
Implants have gone on for eons since they are as simple as a post hypnotic command/marching order...

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The crux of the problem resides in answering the question: "How come a being ends up trusting the hypnotist more than itself?"

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As I mentioned in my post to northstar this appears to me to be an emotional response.
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Some more thoughts to feed on, regarding hypnosis, through one of my favorite example:

Cosmic Cointelpro Timeline

There is a little known fact about hypnosis that is illustrated by the following story:
A subject was told under hypnosis that when he was awakened he would be unable to see a third man in the room who, it was suggested to him, would have become invisible. All the "proper" suggestions to make this "true" were given, such as "you will NOT see so- and-so" etc... When the subject was awakened, lo and behold! the suggestions did NOT work.

Why? Because they went against his belief system. He did NOT believe that a person could become invisible.

So, another trial was made. The subject was hypnotized again and was told that the third man was leaving the room... that he had been called away on urgent business, and the scene of him getting on his coat and hat was described... the door was opened and shut to provide "sound effects," and then the subject was brought out of the trance.

Guess what happened?

He was UNABLE TO SEE the Third Man.

Why? Because his perceptions were modified according to his beliefs. Certain "censors" in his brain were activated in a manner that was acceptable to his ego survival instincts.

The ways and means that we ensure survival of the ego are established pretty early in life by our parental and societal programming. This conditioning determines what IS or is NOT possible; what we are "allowed" to believe in order to be accepted. We learn this first by learning what pleases our parents and then later we modify our belief based on what pleases our society - our peers - to believe.

Anyway, to return to our story, the Third Man went about the room picking things up and setting them down and doing all sorts of things to test the subject's awareness of his presence, and the subject became utterly hysterical at this "anomalous" activity! He could see objects moving through the air, doors opening and closing, but he could NOT see the SOURCE because he did not believe that there was another man in the room.

So, what are the implications of this factor of human consciousness? (By the way, this is also the reason why most therapies to stop bad habits do not work - they attempt to operate against a "belief system" that is imprinted in the subconscious that this or that habit is essential to survival.)

One of the first things we might observe is that everyone has a different set of beliefs based upon their social and familial conditioning, and that these beliefs determine how much of the OBJECTIVE reality anyone is able to access.

In the above story, the objective reality IS WHAT IT IS, whether it is truly objective, or only a consensus reality. In this story, there is clearly a big part of that reality that is inaccessible to the subject due to a perception censor which was activated by the suggestions of the hypnotist. That is to say, the subject has a strong belief, based upon his CHOICE as to who or what to believe - the hypnotist or his own, unfettered observations of reality. In this case, he has chosen to believe the hypnotist and not what he might be able to observe if he dispensed with the perception censor put in place by the hypnotist who activated his "belief center" - even if that activation was fraudulent.

And so it is with nearly all human beings: we believe the hypnotist - the "official culture" - and we are able, with preternatural cunning, to deny what is often right in front of our faces. And in the case of the hypnosis subject, he is entirely at the mercy of the "Invisible Man" because he chooses not to see him.

The above experiment has been repeated numerous times and is reproduced here by Derren Brown:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=VTobS-09fBQ

To me, what the "Third Man in the Room" demonstrates is that hypnosis is not necessarily an emotional response but, rather, a concatenation of small agreements which progressively, by small gradient steps, build one to turn from actual reality to a complete fantasy; whether those gradient steps are designed to bypass rational thinking or emotional beliefs and subsequent reactions.

If the gradient is too high, then it is rejected; if adequate and appropriate, it is integrated as a building block of the intended fantasy.

This gradient of small agreements can be seen as the "Mind Control," propaganda scheme played by the media, MSM or "alternative," through the "ideas" spread by such over the past century.

[Finefeather]

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)

To me, what the "Third Man in the Room" demonstrates is that hypnosis is not necessarily an emotional response but, rather, a concatenation of small agreements which progressively, by small gradient steps, build one to turn from actual reality to a complete fantasy; whether those gradient steps are designed to bypass rational thinking or emotional beliefs and subsequent reactions.

If the gradient is too high, then it is rejected; if adequate and appropriate, it is integrated as a building block of the intended fantasy.

This gradient of small agreements can be seen as the "Mind Control," propaganda scheme played by the media, MSM or "alternative," through the "ideas" spread by such over the past century.

Hi Amzer
Thanks for the post...yes I have seen this before.
I come from a Metaphysical background coupled with my years of OB experience. I tend to look at things metaphysically and then try to prove or substantiate my conclusions by observing OB phenomena around bodies. This has been quite successful in most cases but I have found some anomalies in some instances which does lead me to adjust my view sometimes.

The interesting thing is that hypnosis seems to follow the metaphysics as well as the actual observations I have made with regard to the subtle bodies around us. My conclusion that hypnosis appears to be an emotional response seems to be verified in the case you presented as well...and even your statement seems to point to this as well.

You stated "one to turn from actual reality to a complete fantasy"...this is to me an excellent way of stating the process...and this statement you have made is almost exactly as it appears in the OB state.
The way this works is:
There are 2 levels...or conditions...which determine our accuracy of awareness, which our conscious day to day mind reacts to or is aware of...they are...our emotional state and our mental state.
The mental body never forgets, but it can seem as if it does because our awareness comes from our conscious day to day minds...and this conscious day to day mind can be modified by the middle principle...the emotional state. So the information in our mental body is always present and correct as far as what it currently knows but the emotional body can change the conscious mind's perception of that information.

Now another name for the emotion body is the astral body...and we know that the lower astral world is one of great illusion...it is also the subject of phenomena like alien abduction and archon control and a host of other strange occurrences in our day to day conscious minds. We can read many stories of the results of emotional trauma despite the seeming rationality of a person.

I don't think I should spend more time on this, as it might be off topic, so I'll just conclude and say that if you use this concept...hypnosis is in fact a modification or manipulation of the mental state of a person through the medium of the emotional or astral body of a human...this is why I said that it seems to me to be an emotional response...maybe I should have said...it is an intentional emotional/astral modification of the mental state of a persons normal state of awareness.

You should be able to see from the story in your post that the modification was of the rational mind...the base of his understanding. You cannot modify what is not present...but I also know you can induce illusion by using a persons inner desire... imagination and coaxing techniques...which ever way they do it they are working in the astral plane and the power of thought.

Take care
Ray

[Chester]

Posted by humanalien (here)
If we don't know what we are up against, Do you?
Do you know what we are up against?

My current conclusion, based on the research I have done related to human developed directed energy weapons and mind hijacking technologies, that all the phenomena, including experiences folks have while "astral" are potentially influenced phenomena from 3rd parties who do not necessarily have humanity's best interests at heart though as RMorgan puts it... we might view these relationships as symbiotic (I find this the best view these days).

We only can prove we exist in the physical realm and we can only agree we have dreams which imply a state some relate to as "the astral realm." Some even go so far as to divide all that up into dimensions and even give those dimensions names and/or numbers. But all these realms are sub sets of the non waking state, conscious realm... the dream world.

The experiences in the waking state and the dream state are subject to memory which means that the mind is intimately involved (albeit only in a reflective way and an imaginative way) but therein lies the clue... the common factor containing "the mind."

It is through the mind that some amongst humanity (if not all to some degree) are influenced by other humans and/or other beings and/or other forces.

No one can state their experiences are "real" per say because a.) all is proven to be illusion anyways (surely this is no longer argued amongst Avalonians, is it?) and due to interventions by third parties through our minds what can we be sure of within our illusions are all entirely of our own individual making?

This recent discovery of mine caused a week or so depression, but I am over it now and have decided once again that the secret to happy experience all starts with attitude and thus, my good attitude has risen again!

Have a Great Day all and enjoy your realms of experience to the fullest and don't take anything too seriously.

Chewchester the Rookie Wookiee

[wolfgaze]

I don't believe in the term 'demons'. To me it's nothing more than an archetype that gets tossed around the collective consciousness of humanity and carries with it a connotation of fear - which I find to be detrimental.

I feel that everything is ENERGY. Energy vibrates at different frequencies and I will judge any 'being' or 'entity' whether in physical form or spiritual/etheric form based on the nature of it's energy and the vibe that it emanates. I don't believe in using all encompassing terms like 'demons' that carry with it preconceived emotional associations.

Now onto the term 'aliens'. What does the term 'aliens' signify? Any being/entity that does not originate from Earth? Well we are now exploring space so does that mean that when we encounter intelligent life that we will qualify as 'aliens' ourselves?

I feel it's a certainty that there is and will be intelligent lifeforms in our Universe that have sufficiently developed the technological capabilities to engage in inter-stellar travel and visit/frequent other solar systems. Whether they are 'good' or 'bad', I don't think it would be wise to generalize. Are humans collectively 'good' or 'bad', or do we have different types of members within our own population? I would imagine the same would apply to extra-terrestrial races. Some may be largely benevolent, some may be malevolent. You would need to judge on an individual basis as opposed to guessing or generalizing.

I will say this though. I feel for a civilization to have developed the technological capability to master inter-stellar travel there is a strong likelihood that that civilization would have had to endure a certain level of spiritual growth or evolution of consciousness. The reason I say this is because if technology advances too far ahead of spiritual growth or the level of collective consciousness, then a civilization runs the real risk of destroying itself with its technology. You cannot responsibly possess & utilize advanced energy systems and technology if your population continues to embrace a 'warlike' mentality and is still influenced by carnal-minded 'leaders'.

Could there be inter-dimensional 'beings' or 'entities' visiting our dimension? That is a good question. I can't rule out the possibility. However I would think it would be very difficult for them to endure this dense, low-frequency vibration of our 3rd dimension. Also, I don't think inter-dimensional 'beings' would require craft or ships to navigate our dimension so I'm inclined to feel that such objects are not inter-dimensional in nature but here in physical form (just highly advanced).

[Chester]

Posted by HORIZONS (here)
I can be the darkness
And I can be the light.
I'd rather live in kindness
And always do what's justly right.
But because of situations
In this world of form,
Sometimes I am the darkness
In the midst of this turbulent storm.

A great post that lives on...

[Casey Claar]

Wow - revitalized after almost a decade, I wonder where everyone is now in their energy. After reading this whole thread I would say this —

If you/we/I am looking at anything other than the self, I am looking at an illusion.

Look at everything through the lens of this idea and watch
all dust fall from your eyes


Casey

[Chester]

Posted by Casey Claar (here)
Wow - revitalized after almost a decade, I wonder where everyone is now in their energy. After reading this whole thread I would say this —

If you/we/I am looking at anything other than the self, I am looking at an illusion.

Look at everything through the lens of this idea and watch
all dust fall from your eyes


Casey

Few realize the amazing threads in this forum. Bill does... some of the old timers do. I have been going through some of my old documents in which some of them point to posts here. This is why I have come upon some of these old gems.