The Higher Self and transcendent experience, including OBEs

[Jake]

Dreamstate lessons are a common theme for many projectors!!! rmauser,, WELCOME TO FLIGHT SCHOOL!!! I used to have dream after dream after dream about "letting go",, when it came to flying.. one would be me at the top of a bridge needing to jump, but was afraid,, another would be where I was about to jump from a plane, but was afraid!!! The lessons would repeat until I 'got it'! Most of the DSLs would relate directly to astral projection and out of body functioning!!! I have a chapter in mee book regarding this topic,,, no need to rush off and read it,,, we are quite capable of understanding it right here!!! Keep at it!!! You have a great day coming!!!!

[Ron Mauer Sr]

Hi Jake,

I really loved the dream when I was parachuting out of a helicopter with some of my friends. I wanted to keep doing it. But, in contrast, I'm very cautious in the dream state getting too close to the edge of very tall buildings.

Years ago when I was very interested in ET's, I was flying my magic carpet, waving my arms trying to get the attention of an ET in a saucer shaped craft. The ET would not look at me.

I love the idea of FLIGHT SCHOOL. I do hope that is what these dreams are all about.

Ron

[TraineeHuman]

Posted by Freed Fox (here)
The 'fluttering' is not necessarily accompanied by any invasive/distracting thoughts. That is, I can more or less maintain clarity and silence in spite of it, but as I said it seems detrimental to the meditation effort, and leads me to enforce a subtle mental directive to 'keep 'em closed!' along with keeping at least a portion of my awareness tied to my physical body.

Thank you for the accuracy of your descriptions, Freed Fox. Any time a person knowingly tells a lie, their eyes will blink. It may be so fast you'll miss it unless you're observing carefully. Similarly, I know precisely what your eyes attempting to flutter means. It means you are healing yourself by releasing some "energies" to do with hypnosis or self-hypnosis. That would include such things as visualisation exercises or affirmations, and also various types of conditioning. (Hypnosis is always based on a lie because the hypnotist tells you to look at one hand while the other hand does something they want to keep hidden from you.) This is a good sign. You probably can't stop the fluttering much anyway, but don't resist it, and it should be over soon, for now (for a long while).

The colors are quite interesting though, and I do recall others mentioning them. For me they tend to be bands of either yellow, pale green, or dark blue/violet. They don't always sweep down and toward the nose. Sometimes they migrate toward the top center of my 'visual field' (to the third eye area, I suppose). I just meditated again and after 20 minutes or so they did neither, and instead created what looked like pale green smoke formations near the middle, subsequently 'drifting away' in a very smoke-like fashion.

What you've described is healing angels. They're also there to remove whatever's holding you back.

You're obviously working very sincerely and effectively, Freed Fox. The things you're experiencing are something to rejoice at and just cooperate with. Keep on doing what you're currently doing -- it's bringing results even if they're not of the "flying" kind at present.

[Freed Fox]

Wow... I wasn't sure about bringing those things up, but now I'm glad I did. Not the answers I was expecting, but they make sense to me. Thank you very much TraineeHuman!

And continue I shall.

[TraineeHuman]

By the way, my HS insisted that I had to add the bit about how the healing angels are there to remove "whatever's holding you back".

Those colors can be healing angels or other beings or one's own energies. I guess some of them are your own energies too. But they're all healing energies. If you work well and intensively on yourself, you'll get special help, as you currently have, for a while.

[TraineeHuman]

Posted by rmauersr (here)

I fly often in my dreams. Sometimes as a passenger. Sometimes teaching others how to fly. Sometimes wanting to take off in a small Cessna, but very impatient because I've not had a recent flight check. But without a doubt, I knew I could fly proficiently. A few times I've taken off and hoped that no authority figures noticed that my license was not current.

And other times I fly without needing an aircraft.

I absolutely love flying.

Hmm. In the first two years when I was astral traveling in 4D and 5D, I'd usually start in the middle of sleep, or dreaming. The main way I "went lucid" in a dream would be when I started flying in that dream. Not only that, but I'd continue to have a flying sensation for as long as the dream was lucid. So for me,
lucid dreaming = dreaming of flying
was (usually) true. Also, for me,
astral traveling = dreaming of flying plus seeing scenery
was true.

Maybe that was just me. But as far as I remember, the hard part was learning (to dream of) flying. Eventually, that developed into flying plus seeing scenery, just by my continuing on.

But if you already dream lucidly of teaching others to fly ... well, I'm wondering if you're not already pretty much there but you don't know it because you feel you're not doing it the "correct" way?

And flying, for me, is so memorable because it was always such a joyful experience. It wasn't merely that the law of gravity was suspended, though even that was so cool. It was detachment come more vividly alive, it was many things. (For me it was a felt reminder of Source as well.) Decades later, the flying is the main thing I remember, though I explored so many places in 4D and 5D.

[Ron Mauer Sr]

Posted by TraineeHuman (here)

But if you already dream lucidly of teaching others to fly ... well, I'm wondering if you're not already pretty much there but you don't know it because you feel you're not doing it the "correct" way?

My goal using OBE is, on my command, have a conscious communication with HS, and remember all the details. That has not yet happened.

It seems so important to me, to make this connection and bypass all the social programming, manipulation and control freaks.

My intuition is that contact with HS will set us free, bring us well being and joy beyond our wildest dreams. Those are the eternal adventures I choose.

[AwakeInADream]

I was doing the 'feeling the aliveness' exercise in bed two nights ago, not trying to go out of body, and after a while as a side effect, I started to feel the vibrations in my hands getting stronger than ever. I got really exited thinking this is it (again), and that's when I made the mistake of trying harder to do it by phantom wiggling. It seems that my extra effort killed off the vibrations (as you said in post #593 TH). Now I know that I should have just gone with the flow a little longer (it will sink in eventually).

It's frustrating to think how many times I could have left my body by now, if only I had ceased my effort and allowed it just to happen. So I will say yet again,
NEXT TIME I WILL DO IT FOR SURE! (I mean it this time)

I know this has nothing to do with the deeper aspects of the 'feeling the aliveness' exercise, so I'm going to keep on at it. I think the problem I have with it is that I find it hard to extend the feeling outwards into my environment, so I think I'm only half doing it right. I'll keep practicing (I almost wrote 'trying').



About flying in dreams. This is going to sound ridiculous, but all my life when I've flown in dreams, I've done so by flapping my arms like a bird.
It's not the best method because it takes a lot of effort to get off the ground and stay in the air.
No wonder I'm always tired in the morning. LOL

[Rania]

Thanks for sharing your experience as well as the book

[Jake]

Hello, Awakeinadream!! In Many of my flying dreams,, I am doing a sort of underwater breast stroke,, like swimming through the air!! I imagine it is much the same thing,, linear 3-d mind, trying to rationalize Astral Functioning... The Flight School scenario is quite real! Of course, it is HS that is feeding Little Self the dream state lessons!

Many times,, while out of body,, I will run into 'snags',, ie... Loss of astral vision/can't move/stuck half way in the physical/exhaustion etc... I can trace each one of these problems back to a set of dream state lessons that I had regarding these exact scenarios!!! They are lessons designed to help us navigate in the astral. (4-d/5-d astral,, anyways)

Some folks have recurring dreams about not being able to find their car!! manymany projectors have had this repeated dreaming scenario during the early years of projection!! It,too, is your dreaming mind trying to make sense of being out of body!! Most early projections will not be consciously remembered... If you do not embrace your 'dreaming minds' attempt at understanding it, your HS may not embrace YOUR understanding of it!! try and imagine that this world is a dream,, to your HS!!! Embracing your dream state learning will send a powerful message to HS that you are ready to learn more!!!

Once we all realize that we are more than these linear 3-d bi-pedal human bodies,,, then we can begin to re-create our reality,,, like becoming lucid in a dream!!!!!

[TraineeHuman]

Posted by rmauersr (here)
My goal using OBE is, on my command, have a conscious communication with HS, and remember all the details. That has not yet happened.

It seems so important to me, to make this connection and bypass all the social programming, manipulation and control freaks.

It’s impossible for anyone to “command” their HS at all, I’m afraid, Ron. What it may do, though, is go along with and create favorable situations for some choice you have made.

This is a little tricky to explain, but who/what a person thinks of as themselves most of the time is not the real them. The trouble is, nearly everyone is so out of touch with who they really are, they don’t even know they’re out of touch, or most of the times when they are. So the “them” they think they are is an impostor. Not altogether an illusion, because it does act (albeit misleadingly, as “them”) in the physical, emotional and intellectual levels of reality.

By the way, I’ve already explained why it’s counterproductive to one’s true interests for one part of “you” to use a “command” on itself. In such situations, force is nothing but a form of ignorance and weakness.

I don’t know if you’ve read posts #403 to #500. In about half of my own posts there I’ve explained some of the stages one typically goes through in getting in touch more and more with their HS.

Your HS has the greater power, not “you”, though it gives “you” plenty of leeway and scope for initiative.

[Ron Mauer Sr]

Posted by Jake (here)
Some folks have recurring dreams about not being able to find their car!!

Searching for my car has been my most prevalent recurring dream for years. Sometimes quite frustrating, looking through a large parking lot, knowing my car should be there and not remembering where I left it.

Flying is much more fun.

Ron

[TraineeHuman]

"Your car" is a universal dream symbol. It symbolizes the course of your life, the journey of your life, or your life with the kind of purpose you'd ideally like it to have.

[Orph]

Posted by AwakeInADream (here)

About flying in dreams. This is going to sound ridiculous, but all my life when I've flown in dreams, I've done so by flapping my arms like a bird.
It's not the best method because it takes a lot of effort to get off the ground and stay in the air.
No wonder I'm always tired in the morning. LOL

Can I giggle a little bit? ...... When I become aware that I'm dreaming, one of the first things I do is say, .... "Oh boy!! This is a dream. That means I can fly! Wheeeeeeeee". And I just take off like Superman. It's always a lot of fun. I've had two of what I believe to be real OBE's, but it was during sleep and the experience was filtered through the dream state. But then again, maybe they were 'only' dreams and not real.

[Jake]

Posted by TraineeHuman (here)

Posted by rmauersr (here)
My goal using OBE is, on my command, have a conscious communication with HS, and remember all the details. That has not yet happened.

It seems so important to me, to make this connection and bypass all the social programming, manipulation and control freaks.

It’s impossible for anyone to “command” their HS at all, I’m afraid, Ron. What it may do, though, is go along with and create favorable situations for some choice you have made.

This is a little tricky to explain, but who/what a person thinks of as themselves most of the time is not the real them. The trouble is, nearly everyone is so out of touch with who they really are, they don’t even know they’re out of touch, or most of the times when they are. So the “them” they think they are is an impostor. Not altogether an illusion, because it does act (albeit misleadingly, as “them”) in the physical, emotional and intellectual levels of reality.

By the way, I’ve already explained why it’s counterproductive to one’s true interests for one part of “you” to use a “command” on itself. In such situations, force is nothing but a form of ignorance and weakness.

I don’t know if you’ve read posts #403 to #500. In about half of my own posts there I’ve explained some of the stages one typically goes through in getting in touch more and more with their HS.

Your HS has the greater power, not “you”, though it gives “you” plenty of leeway and scope for initiative.

Too bad, only one 'thank you' per post... I would thank this one many times.!!! You are doing amazing work, my friend. very inspiring. Thank you...

[TraineeHuman]

Once the presence of the HS becomes stable and it is at hand all the time, the HS will begin, and eventually complete, a Descent into your physical body. That descent will have physical effects in the form of greater physical energy being available to the individual.

At that stage, you and your HS will be united, and merged. It now takes over as “you”. I guess in that sense it then becomes “at your ‘command’”.

The HS still has a subtle level of ego. Strictly speaking, even the HS isn’t the real “you”. It too ideally needs to be superceded by something else, namely Source. Each individual needs to become Source-as-seen-from-a-unique-angle, so to speak. The individual doesn’t vanish into non-existence when they unite with Source.

The HS now needs to be slowly deconstructed and gradually give way to Source. Eventually, after a very long process, Source can then complete a full descent into the physical body.

Near the time when either of these descents can begin, as far as I know the individual always seems to become “lost”. I have myself lived through particularly one in some ways difficult period of a number of years in that condition. Some people, even in the West, become homeless at this stage, and many seem to altogether become hermits, and communicate perhaps with no-one or with few people. For example, U.G. Krishnamurti and Eckart Tolle both at a certain stage spent several years living on the streets of London. The trouble is, particularly before the descent of Source begins, the individual sees all the insanity and falseness and pettiness of life in our society and culture, and sees it so clearly it’s quite reasonable to reject it and feel inside that one doesn’t want anything further to do with it – though not in the sense of suicide. Once the descent of Source eventually begins, there is then a commitment to re-engage with the physical world and the society we live in. Then the “lost” feeling and situation is transformed into something positive.

[AwakeInADream]

Posted by TraineeHuman (here)
Each individual needs to become Source-as-seen-from-a-unique-angle, so to speak. The individual doesn’t vanish into non-existence when they unite with Source.

Thank you TraineeHuman! The loss of my individuality has always been one of my greatest fears. I guess this has kept me from realizing the oneness of us all.

[meeradas]

Posted by TraineeHuman (here)
... trouble is, particularly before the descent of Source begins, the individual sees all the insanity and falseness and pettiness of life in our society and culture, and sees it so clearly it’s quite reasonable to reject it and feel inside that one doesn’t want anything further to do with it – though not in the sense of suicide. Once the descent of Source eventually begins,...

Source is late. Am around like this for thirty+ yrs now...

[Orph]

Posted by meeradas (here)

Posted by TraineeHuman (here)
... trouble is, particularly before the descent of Source begins, the individual sees all the insanity and falseness and pettiness of life in our society and culture, and sees it so clearly it’s quite reasonable to reject it and feel inside that one doesn’t want anything further to do with it – though not in the sense of suicide. Once the descent of Source eventually begins,...

Source is late. Am around like this for thirty+ yrs now...

Me too, only longer. This would help explain in part why I never seemed to fit in. So much stuff that everyone seems to think is important means absolutely nothing to me. Even now, there's a part of me that just wants to literally walk away from it all. Wish 'Source' could move a little faster. This body is getting older, Time is running out.

[Ron Mauer Sr]

Me too. Started around 1977. Maybe we are on schedule. I'd like to know.

Posted by Orph (here)

Posted by meeradas (here)

Posted by TraineeHuman (here)
... trouble is, particularly before the descent of Source begins, the individual sees all the insanity and falseness and pettiness of life in our society and culture, and sees it so clearly it’s quite reasonable to reject it and feel inside that one doesn’t want anything further to do with it – though not in the sense of suicide. Once the descent of Source eventually begins,...

Source is late. Am around like this for thirty+ yrs now...

Me too, only longer. This would help explain in part why I never seemed to fit in. So much stuff that everyone seems to think is important means absolutely nothing to me. Even now, there's a part of me that just wants to literally walk away from it all. Wish 'Source' could move a little faster. This body is getting older, Time is running out.