+ Reply to Thread
Page 32 of 148 FirstFirst 1 22 32 42 82 132 148 LastLast
Results 621 to 640 of 2953

Thread: The Higher Self and transcendent experience, including OBEs

  1. Link to Post #621
    Avalon Member TraineeHuman's Avatar
    Join Date
    22nd March 2010
    Posts
    1,926
    Thanks
    4,527
    Thanked 11,927 times in 1,827 posts

    Default Re: The Higher Self and transcendent experience, including OBEs

    Unfortunately, a person’s seeing the insanity and inanity and so on of our society and culture isn’t a sufficient condition for Source to be able to descend. I'm very sorry if I misled you. For one thing, first of all the HS needs to have fully descended into your body and then itself gone through the whole liberation process while (partly) in your body.

    What I was referring to, in individuals such as U.G. and Tolle, was a stage where even the HS has disintegrated, so that the person has in effect lost any core sense of self, even though they can still probably remember their name and other superficial things like that. (The HS then gets replaced by Source, but Source isn’t a self. You certainly don’t somehow cease to exist, but you do go through a psychological death, and at the HS level.) It looks like at least in U.G.’s case the descent was only partial anyway. But only after you have truly merged with your HS can you even begin the journey that ends with its disintegration.

    I’m afraid we are not somehow all going to have it done for us. We each have to do it individually ourselves. OK, it’s true that the overall level of human consciousness has been raised because in a limited sense all human beings are one being, and there has been a significant number of volunteers all incarnating here.

    It’s really great that all you guys and gals presumably are strongly thirsting to end all suffering in your lives, but you need to take the right kind of action to make that happen. I believe the Buddha began a twenty-year meditation “retreat” with a similar desire to transcend all suffering.

  2. The Following 9 Users Say Thank You to TraineeHuman For This Post:

    AwakeInADream (22nd April 2013), Eram (24th April 2013), Freed Fox (22nd April 2013), Ikarusion (1st December 2014), Libico (23rd May 2013), nevermnd (25th April 2013), Orph (22nd April 2013), Reinhard (23rd April 2013), soleil (22nd April 2013)

  3. Link to Post #622
    Avalon Member Orph's Avatar
    Join Date
    16th July 2011
    Location
    I don't know, because I've lost my mind.
    Language
    baby talk was my first language
    Age
    71
    Posts
    919
    Thanks
    12,937
    Thanked 6,057 times in 892 posts

    Default Re: The Higher Self and transcendent experience, including OBEs

    Quote Posted by TraineeHuman (here)
    Unfortunately, a person’s seeing the insanity and inanity and so on of our society and culture isn’t a sufficient condition for Source to be able to descend. I'm very sorry if I misled you.
    Well, some of us are just having a little fun along the way in our journey. My previous response was simply a little poke in the funnybone. I (and a lot of others) really appreciate all you say here. Keep it up.

  4. The Following 8 Users Say Thank You to Orph For This Post:

    AwakeInADream (22nd April 2013), Eram (24th April 2013), Libico (23rd May 2013), meeradas (22nd April 2013), nevermnd (25th April 2013), Reinhard (23rd April 2013), Ron Mauer Sr (22nd April 2013), TraineeHuman (22nd April 2013)

  5. Link to Post #623
    Avalon Member TraineeHuman's Avatar
    Join Date
    22nd March 2010
    Posts
    1,926
    Thanks
    4,527
    Thanked 11,927 times in 1,827 posts

    Default Re: The Higher Self and transcendent experience, including OBEs

    That’s fine. A little fun creates a smile, that creases the brain. Humor is divine, literally. But at least a number of members seem to be willing to do absolutely everything they can understand to really go for it – or die trying, so to speak. Somehow it kind of in a way reminds me of the prayer: “Lord, I believe; help me because of my unbelief.”

    For instance, AwakeInADream is going to make sure he doesn’t miss even one small nuance of anything that gets said. He’s going to try to internalize any pieces of truth he possibly can so thoroughly that they will remain beneath his skin permanently, and keep popping out at parties and at the most unexpected times, such as work situations and romantic occasions. I think it’s a pity he still seems to want to figure much of it out in his mind, or through sheer intellectual will power. But he also seems to be well into learning some advanced wisdom fresh from direct experience now. And maybe he’s getting more sense of how to use intuition and grounded imagination rather than relying on intellect the way we all get conditioned to do by the education Megatron.

    teradactyl is going to “fight the enemy” on the beaches and on the highways and everywhere else it may have the effrontery and stupidity to show its face, and, I suspect, forever boldly keep going wherever she’s never gone before.

    Ron seems to be a little similar to teradactyl in his absolute determination to know, and his unshakable conviction that he fully deserves to – as indeed everyone does, but usually they don’t know it.

    Eram expresses himself very politely and nicely, but I don’t think he’s any less earnest and focused than the others, and he seems to greatly underestimate where he’s really at, and how good a space he started from.

    Libico is in touch with the strength and the authority and the greater energy that the HS –sorry, the Force -- brings. The HS never compromises on anything really important, and I’m sure neither does he.

    I haven’t heard so much from many of the others, though obviously I believe I know Freed Fox has made a great start and whatever comes directly after a great start.

    mr white posts in the Secret of the Soul thread, so I won’t describe his journey here, other than to say he’s well on the way all right.

    My apologies to everyone who I've left out in this post. But I’m just mentioning the ones who so far have shared what some of the stages of their journey have been as they were happening. (JustOneWookie has shared significantly, but he’s kind of still in some parallel universe, I guess.)

    May the Force be with you all.

  6. The Following 8 Users Say Thank You to TraineeHuman For This Post:

    AwakeInADream (22nd April 2013), Eram (24th April 2013), Freed Fox (22nd April 2013), Libico (23rd May 2013), nevermnd (25th April 2013), Orph (22nd April 2013), Reinhard (23rd April 2013), soleil (22nd April 2013)

  7. Link to Post #624
    United States Honored, Retired Member. Ron passed in October 2022.
    Join Date
    5th January 2011
    Location
    Virginia
    Posts
    2,197
    Thanks
    13,269
    Thanked 18,291 times in 2,138 posts

    Default Re: The Higher Self and transcendent experience, including OBEs

    Quote Posted by TraineeHuman (here)
    That’s fine. A little fun creates a smile, that creases the brain. Humor is divine, literally. But at least a number of members seem to be willing to do absolutely everything they can understand to really go for it – or die trying, so to speak. Somehow it kind of in a way reminds me of the prayer: “Lord, I believe; help me because of my unbelief.”

    For instance, AwakeInADream is going to make sure he doesn’t miss even one small nuance of anything that gets said. He’s going to try to internalize any pieces of truth he possibly can so thoroughly that they will remain beneath his skin permanently, and keep popping out at parties and at the most unexpected times, such as work situations and romantic occasions. I think it’s a pity he still seems to want to figure much of it out in his mind, or through sheer intellectual will power. But he also seems to be well into learning some advanced wisdom fresh from direct experience now. And maybe he’s getting more sense of how to use intuition and grounded imagination rather than relying on intellect the way we all get conditioned to do by the education Megatron.

    teradactyl is going to “fight the enemy” on the beaches and on the highways and everywhere else it may have the effrontery and stupidity to show its face, and, I suspect, forever boldly keep going wherever she’s never gone before.

    Ron seems to be a little similar to teradactyl in his absolute determination to know, and his unshakable conviction that he fully deserves to – as indeed everyone does, but usually they don’t know it.

    Eram expresses himself very politely and nicely, but I don’t think he’s any less earnest and focused than the others, and he seems to greatly underestimate where he’s really at, and how good a space he started from.

    Libico is in touch with the strength and the authority and the greater energy that the HS –sorry, the Force -- brings. The HS never compromises on anything really important, and I’m sure neither does he.

    I haven’t heard so much from many of the others, though obviously I believe I know Freed Fox has made a great start and whatever comes directly after a great start.

    mr white posts in the Secret of the Soul thread, so I won’t describe his journey here, other than to say he’s well on the way all right.

    My apologies to everyone who I've left out in this post. But I’m just mentioning the ones who so far have shared what some of the stages of their journey have been as they were happening. (JustOneWookie has shared significantly, but he’s kind of still in some parallel universe, I guess.)

    May the Force be with you all.
    TraineeHuman,

    Have you communicated with Sirdipswitch (Secrets of the Soul - and OBE) and compared notes? It would be interesting to read a brief summary of major agreements and disagreements concerning OBE and the HS.

    Thanks, Ron
    Last edited by Ron Mauer Sr; 22nd April 2013 at 13:48.

  8. The Following 4 Users Say Thank You to Ron Mauer Sr For This Post:

    AwakeInADream (22nd April 2013), Libico (23rd May 2013), nevermnd (25th April 2013), Reinhard (23rd April 2013)

  9. Link to Post #625
    United States Avalon Member wolfgaze's Avatar
    Join Date
    28th March 2013
    Age
    44
    Posts
    47
    Thanks
    41
    Thanked 275 times in 42 posts

    Default Re: The Higher Self and transcendent experience, including OBEs

    So I was meditating earlier this afternoon while using some audio stimulation and fell asleep. When I woke up I didn't move and began to employ the 'rope climbing' visualization and my arms started to hurt (only way I can describe the sensation) while doing this. Is this normal? Anyone utilize the same visualization or experience something similar? It was like a deep aching feeling/sensation in my arms.
    Quote
    "Death is a stripping away of all that is not you. The secret of life is to die before you die - and find that there is no death."

  10. The Following 6 Users Say Thank You to wolfgaze For This Post:

    AwakeInADream (23rd April 2013), Eram (24th April 2013), Libico (23rd May 2013), nevermnd (25th April 2013), Reinhard (23rd April 2013), soleil (23rd April 2013)

  11. Link to Post #626
    Canada Avalon Member soleil's Avatar
    Join Date
    8th November 2012
    Location
    Canada
    Age
    43
    Posts
    894
    Thanks
    6,928
    Thanked 3,690 times in 775 posts

    Default Re: The Higher Self and transcendent experience, including OBEs

    im a newbie as you are, but my guess was you are basically just newly stimulating your energy body. the energy body sensations get less and less the more you do them. robert bruce talks about this in his books, there is a 'collected works of robert bruce' that has his new energy ways v2 in there in pdf format. http://www.heartalchemy.net/Robert_B...cted_works.pdf
    unite, alright
    you know one thing about music? when it hits, you feel no pain!

  12. The Following 7 Users Say Thank You to soleil For This Post:

    AwakeInADream (23rd April 2013), Eram (24th April 2013), Freed Fox (23rd April 2013), Libico (23rd May 2013), nevermnd (25th April 2013), Reinhard (24th April 2013), TraineeHuman (24th April 2013)

  13. Link to Post #627
    Avalon Member TraineeHuman's Avatar
    Join Date
    22nd March 2010
    Posts
    1,926
    Thanks
    4,527
    Thanked 11,927 times in 1,827 posts

    Default Re: The Higher Self and transcendent experience, including OBEs

    I’ve recently mentioned that I’m kind of waiting for some members to identify what are the indicators that the HS is really there, when it is there for you (in your conscious). I would say there are about four such different indicators, and so far contributors have come up with about two-and-a-half.

    However, one of these indicators was in a way only mentioned in passing by AwakeInADream over a month ago. His description of how he came by it was hard for me to follow, and then he said he hadn’t been able to repeat that experience. However, the “indicator” quality of the HS that he mentioned was a feeling of what he called “extension” – or maybe, I guess, that could be called a feeling of “wideness” or “vastness”. At any rate, he hit a bulls-eye in identifying one of the four indicators which I would wish for all of you to become familiar with in the near future. Can you learn to feel, at least sometimes, that you are truly, actually vast inside, in your true nature? Can you kind of walk around carrying that with you?

    I suspect he found it by proper use of the imagination – which, let me say again, is a valid way of discovering parts of the truth, if done in a grounded or calm way.

    I’m still waiting to hear someone mention one-and-a-half of the indicators, or one more at least. If you can focus on what’s truly wonderful about the HS, they should come to you. I’m not asking you to think, but to look, to experience. I’ll be writing some more shortly to hopefully point you in roughly the right directions.
    Last edited by TraineeHuman; 23rd April 2013 at 13:34.

  14. The Following 9 Users Say Thank You to TraineeHuman For This Post:

    AwakeInADream (23rd April 2013), Eram (23rd April 2013), Freed Fox (23rd April 2013), HaulinBananas (23rd April 2013), Jake (23rd April 2013), mr.white (23rd April 2013), nevermnd (25th April 2013), Reinhard (24th April 2013), soleil (23rd April 2013)

  15. Link to Post #628
    South Africa Avalon Retired Member
    Join Date
    14th May 2012
    Location
    South Africa
    Age
    79
    Posts
    1,124
    Thanks
    5,043
    Thanked 7,473 times in 1,084 posts

    Default Re: The Higher Self and transcendent experience, including OBEs

    Quote Posted by TraineeHuman (here)
    Quote Posted by Finefeather (here)
    Remember I am wording this to make the idea more easily understandable...you don't drop bodies along the way like you do when you are taking off your clothing...it is the awareness that becomes higher...and the surroundings also change...although you have not moved an inch from these lower bodies...it can also go from a light space to a dark dingy space depending on where your mind is focused in your usual state in your physical life. Everything happens in the same space you are in.

    Take care
    Ray
    Ray, are you emphasizing here that to get “into” a higher dimensional part of ourself we don’t go anywhere but here? Some people may find the words "you have not moved an inch from [your] lower bodies" confusing because, for example, when I began astral traveling I would visit all sorts of geographical locations on this planet, and people there. If the people (or other beings) were OB at the time, they might initially look like points of light. But, for example, many US cities looked so similar to me I got to know which town I was visiting by looking at its bridges. Then there’s the silver cord. I saw it practically every time I astral traveled in 4D. I would see it stretch, depending on how far I had traveled from my physical body’s location. When I was at other planets in the solar system, the cord would get stretched out so far I would see a bright silver node every few meters or so joined by shining violet fibres, but when it contracted it was all bright silver. I would claim I was actually at those planets, even though my physical body remained back home. So in that sense we do go somewhere. I guess once you’re in the formless worlds there isn’t such a thing as physical location but there’s still “location” there in a different sense.

    And I agree. As I've said from just about the start, I'd prefer it if everyone can learn not to use any "body" at all to travel to higher realms.
    Hi TraineeHuman and All
    Just got back from a trip and was reading some posts to catch up and thought I better respond to this.

    The statement I made...”although you have not moved an inch from these lower bodies.” is surely not very clear and I do apologize for any confusion...so please allow me to clarify this...because it is certainly not clear...and thank you for bringing it up...I remember rushing this post as I was packing at the time

    Oh yes we sure travel around to all sorts of places and it can be great fun...but wherever we are, and are conscious of some place and state, is also where the rest of us is. In other words we do not...or cannot...under normal conditions...split our consciousness...all higher states are always within the state you are in at any moment in time. Where ever we are...the higher states are all there...although veiled in various degrees in accordance with our efforts to unveil them...and it is important to keep in mind that the consciousness we experience in the classic OBE is NOT in any way close to the consciousness of the Spiritual Being or Higher Self...of which we, in our state of consciousness, are just a tiny part of. We are not all knowing...but our abilities and senses are enhanced. I am aware of the difficulty in expressing this and can only say that this becomes more easy to understand as we move closer to the true Self.

    The chord is the link between our physical body and the real us...the physical body is not a principle and so is not considered a 'body' as far as the multidimensional Spiritual Being is concerned. The chord is the life force link to the body...if it breaks the body dies and disintegrates...once out of the body there is no Spiritual Being intelligence or mind aspect left in the body...only the life of the organs and cells which have there own rudimentary intelligence and the etheric 'body' which is what we have created as a scaffold around which these organs and cells are arranged. The etheric 'body' is the guardian when we leave the body and it is it which draws us back to the body when there is some distress. The violet color of the chord which is seen in the '4D' state we are in during OB is actually the ultra violet spectrum which is beyond our normal vision...but quite evident during OB states where we are still in the lower parts of the '4D' realm. If you observe the chord from a higher state it appears in multi colors in a similar way to the rainbow...although not quite so ordered.

    Just a word about the 'veil'. This veil which is present in most humans now...there are exceptions to this, but lets not go there now...is a result of our having to take on matter in incrementally higher grades of density as we...as Spiritual Beings...materialize ourselves 'down' into lower and lower realms on the way 'down' to the physical plane. Each lower state we enter adds another veil...which is just the matter from each lower plane and this is the reason we cannot remember who we really are...our goal is to modify these veils to allow us to know ourselves...this is enlightenment...in it's true sense. These veils are the reason also that we forget our dreams and what we have been up to in our sleep state.
    No doubt we are all at various stages of this unveiling or enlightenment process and so each of our experiences can and are usually quite unique in many respects.

    When we do OB and travel to other physical places, around the world or in our solar system this is what may be called 4D...although I am not fond of the “Ds” terminology because it can be misleading...because '4D' is actually multidimensional and has lower and higher states in the same way as we have lower and higher states in the physical reality...like solid...liquid...gas...etheric.
    Our ability to be in...or aware of...one or another of these states in the astral plane is related to the state of the matter...the veils...we have built around us and our state of enlightenment. As we move higher in these realms in '4D'...during OB...we lose sight of the physical world...because the senses for the physical realm are veiled from that perspective. Each realm we are in veils to some extent those below and those above...this is a technical scientific vibration issue and is a result of the different vibration rates of the matter in each realm or plane.

    This is a very interesting place...this '4D' or Astral plane...and there are many different types of elementals, entities, humans, non-humans and even artificial entities to be found there...in the various sub planes.

    Take care and love to all
    Ray

  16. The Following 11 Users Say Thank You to Finefeather For This Post:

    AwakeInADream (23rd April 2013), Eram (24th April 2013), Freed Fox (23rd April 2013), Libico (23rd May 2013), meat suit (23rd April 2013), nevermnd (25th April 2013), Orph (23rd April 2013), Reinhard (24th April 2013), Ron Mauer Sr (23rd April 2013), soleil (24th April 2013), TraineeHuman (23rd April 2013)

  17. Link to Post #629
    UK Avalon Member AwakeInADream's Avatar
    Join Date
    30th August 2012
    Location
    Source seen from a unique angle
    Posts
    577
    Thanks
    9,474
    Thanked 2,913 times in 540 posts

    Default Re: The Higher Self and transcendent experience, including OBEs

    Quote Posted by Finefeather (here)
    If you observe the chord from a higher state it appears in multi colors in a similar way to the rainbow...although not quite so ordered.
    This reminds me of a dream I had years ago, a dream so strange that I've never forgotten it.

    In the dream I was a creature rather like a giant forest hog (pictured below), and as I looked around at my other hog friends I noticed that they all had multi-colored skin in a kaleidoscopic fashion, with a structure built up of triangles like the mesh of a 3D computer model. I knew at the time that this was more to do with my manor of vision than how they would look to human eyes, like the way they say dogs see in black and white, that maybe hogs see space depicted in multi-coloured triangles. I also had the feeling that I wasn't on this planet.


    I thought at the time that this might have been a (hopefully distant) past life memory, but perhaps I just stepped into the body of a hog whilst on my travels to see what it was like.

    Is it possible to enter into the body of an animal whilst astral travelling?
    (I know humans are protected from this sort of possession, but what if the animal was willing?)

    I think it would be pretty cool to fly as a genuine eagle, run like a horse, or to know why a cat purr's.
    -----------------------------

    Also, I did the playing card test again yesterday (I haven't tried it for a few years). I placed a card where I couldn't see it, focused my attention on the surface of the card, and closed my eyes and waited for a vision to come of the card (a real vision, not just in the minds eye). It took about half an hour, but I did see a vision of the card and it was the right one(again), and this time I wasn't even shocked in the least bit. I expected it to work and it did.

    I've tried to do this again today, but without success. I've drawn a blank. Still this little test has given me confidence that if I see it as a vision, then it does represent something real in the physical world, and it makes me think that perhaps my consciousness leaves my body more than I'd previously thought.

    Is it the case that, if I am sat in one room and I imagine another room, that part of my consciousness goes into that room, even if I can't see it? That perhaps what we see in the imagination is real (so long as the mind doesn't add details to it), and that with enough practice, anywhere we go in the imagination will appear as a real detailed vision?

    Is this more like remote viewing?

    Oddly enough when I did the card test, my cat wouldn't settle, like she knew something was going on.

    I think most of the others here would have better luck than me if they did this test, since it takes me ages to induce these visions and I only see them foggy and without colour. Teradactyl in particular since she can already see in full technicolour. I'm going to keep practicing. It's quite a confidence builder when the vision comes through.


    P.S. TraineeHuman Is one of the signs that HS is there when you get tingles at the top of your head? (or is it something much less common than that?)

  18. The Following 10 Users Say Thank You to AwakeInADream For This Post:

    Eram (24th April 2013), Finefeather (24th April 2013), Freed Fox (24th April 2013), Ikarusion (1st December 2014), Libico (23rd May 2013), nevermnd (25th April 2013), Orph (24th April 2013), Reinhard (24th April 2013), soleil (24th April 2013), TraineeHuman (24th April 2013)

  19. Link to Post #630
    Avalon Member TraineeHuman's Avatar
    Join Date
    22nd March 2010
    Posts
    1,926
    Thanks
    4,527
    Thanked 11,927 times in 1,827 posts

    Default Re: The Higher Self and transcendent experience, including OBEs

    Have you looked carefully and in detail at what I have already said in considerable detail in posts #593 and #402, and truly considered the implications, Ron? Your post #624 sure leaves me suspecting you haven’t.

    (Ditto for wolfgaze and post #625 -- though of course at the end of the day any member is free to post virtually anything they like in any thread. I have no doubt the use of any “visualizations,” which are always of something that is a fantasy, interferes with the development of one’s ability to work with grounded or centered imagination. The latter is actually – or should be -- an important source of the truth for every individual. Too bad. By the way, I do, however, love your signature. Are you willing to live what it says?)

    Several people have in the past asked about how do you “turn the lights on”, or “turn your OB sight on”, in OB realms. A big part of the answer is to use your (proper) imagination to look. So, you don’t “visualize” in advance that you’ll see, say beautiful green fields. You don't have any preconception, hopefully. Instead, you look at whatever’s there through the lens of your imagination. There may even be a picture there of beautiful green fields because some individuals OB have created one at the location you’re currently drawn to.

    Knowledge is pretty useless without action. I go to the trouble of writing sometimes lengthy posts in the hope that readers are able to put as much as possible of the truth that they might find in them into action.

    It should be crystal clear that, because of my professional background and standards, and other experience and training too, I have no option but to have low respect for Buhlmann’s methods. For similar reasons, unfortunately I necessarily would have probably little interest in the words of anyone who for some reason would evidently believe on faith and hotly preach that Buhlmann is the one true gospel and the one true foundation of everything OB, or that it is even a valid “gospel” of it at all, as far as any of the methods it advocates.

    Unfortunately I’m not willing to just repeat the same piece of the truth, such as the contents of #593, more than once (well, except in this case it’s twice already).

    I’ve already said it’s important to question everything and to accept nothing on face value that somebody asserts. But at the end of doing so, seems to me it’s up to you to recognize the truth, and avoid the untruths like the plague.

    I appreciate that all forms of hypnosis and hypnotherapy and other programming methods can be very deceptive. Although I acknowledge there are some limited and superficial areas where they it’s valid to use them, I expect you folk to research and then clearly see beyond such superficiality. I’m sorry there has been so much dumbing down that most people are victims to.

    Let me suggest that hypnotherapists (of which Buhlmann is an example) – like the other types of mind reprogrammers – have a vested interest. Their vested interest lies in claiming their methods are the only “true” methods, and apply more effectively and safely than other methods in all kinds of areas where actually they don’t. Beware! Danger for beginners or the gullible or the uninformed, or for those who fail to question and research properly.

    It reminds me in a quite a few ways of what conventional medicine does – except it’s even worse than in medicine. As we know, conventional medicine sells the bald-faced lie that alternative medicine is total nonsense. It also reminds me of how conventional medicine tries to cash in on clients from the alternative community. It does that by trying to pretend in various ways – such as Codex Alimentarius – that it is the universal and the respectable modality.

    That’s all I’m interested in saying on this particular subject. As far as I’m concerned anything further would get into breaking some Forum protocols, Ron, and wolfgaze, and would be beneath my dignity. This subject is well and truly closed, as far as I’m involved. I’ve already explained in more detail than I would have thought one should need to connect the dots, and to act on in their own best interest.

  20. The Following 13 Users Say Thank You to TraineeHuman For This Post:

    AwakeInADream (24th April 2013), Eram (24th April 2013), Finefeather (24th April 2013), Freed Fox (24th April 2013), Ikarusion (1st December 2014), Kraut (10th June 2013), Libico (23rd May 2013), nevermnd (25th April 2013), Orph (24th April 2013), Reinhard (24th April 2013), Ron Mauer Sr (24th April 2013), Smoke Me A Kipper (24th April 2013), soleil (24th April 2013)

  21. Link to Post #631
    Avalon Member TraineeHuman's Avatar
    Join Date
    22nd March 2010
    Posts
    1,926
    Thanks
    4,527
    Thanked 11,927 times in 1,827 posts

    Default Re: The Higher Self and transcendent experience, including OBEs

    Quote Posted by Finefeather (here)
    The violet color of the chord which is seen in the '4D' state we are in during OB is actually the ultra violet spectrum which is beyond our normal vision...but quite evident during OB states where we are still in the lower parts of the '4D' realm. If you observe the chord from a higher state it appears in multi colors in a similar way to the rainbow...although not quite so ordered.
    Interesting. I've sometimes seemed to be travelling through what looked like a very dynamic multi-colored tunnel or "cloud" when I thought I was in a formless dimension, although there was other "scenery" outside it as well.

  22. The Following 9 Users Say Thank You to TraineeHuman For This Post:

    AwakeInADream (24th April 2013), Eram (24th April 2013), Finefeather (24th April 2013), Freed Fox (24th April 2013), Libico (23rd May 2013), nevermnd (25th April 2013), Orph (24th April 2013), Reinhard (24th April 2013), soleil (24th April 2013)

  23. Link to Post #632
    Avalon Member TraineeHuman's Avatar
    Join Date
    22nd March 2010
    Posts
    1,926
    Thanks
    4,527
    Thanked 11,927 times in 1,827 posts

    Default Re: The Higher Self and transcendent experience, including OBEs

    Strong tingling in the “concentric circles” of the crown chakra on top of the head normally means that the kundalini energy has already been activated, and that does seem to coincide with the entry of the HS into the physical body. However, once this has happened, occasionally feeling such tingling doesn’t necessarily mean anything important. In your case, as I’ve said, the only problem is that –- as far as I know -- the HS can’t properly activate its (I suspect, already half-descended) presence in your body yet because you need to transform the ego, and, presumably, greatly reduce its hold on you.

    Before I respond to your other questions, Awake, I’d like to say the HS only works properly when the person has no trouble bearing a state of emptiness inside them. Paradoxically, emptiness is not nothing. There is actually no such thing as “nothing”, it’s purely a fiction. It’s your ego that’s forever wanting to do something, to get stimulation, to entertain itself. But you’ll only learn what lies on the other side of that inner emptiness if you learn to be content with emptiness alone. It’s a gateway to higher things. Less is more. Empty is the real full.
    Above all, always refuse to cut your life in two: nonduality/duality, matter/Spirit, etc
    A mind which is not crippled by memory has real freedom. ~ J. Krishnamurti
    (True, deep) stillness is the way.

  24. The Following 11 Users Say Thank You to TraineeHuman For This Post:

    AwakeInADream (24th April 2013), Eram (24th April 2013), Finefeather (24th April 2013), Freed Fox (24th April 2013), iamthat (15th May 2014), Ikarusion (1st December 2014), Libico (23rd May 2013), nevermnd (25th April 2013), Orph (24th April 2013), Reinhard (24th April 2013), soleil (24th April 2013)

  25. Link to Post #633
    United States Avalon Member wolfgaze's Avatar
    Join Date
    28th March 2013
    Age
    44
    Posts
    47
    Thanks
    41
    Thanked 275 times in 42 posts

    Default Re: The Higher Self and transcendent experience, including OBEs

    Quote Posted by TraineeHuman (here)
    (Ditto for wolfgaze and post #625 -- though of course at the end of the day any member is free to post virtually anything they like in any thread. I have no doubt the use of any “visualizations,” which are always of something that is a fantasy, interferes with the development of one’s ability to work with grounded or centered imagination. The latter is actually – or should be -- an important source of the truth for every individual. Too bad. By the way, I do, however, love your signature. Are you willing to live what it says?)
    I'm sorry, do you suspect that I reached into a hat and pulled out a random quotation that has no relevance to my experiences in this lifetime? Why else would I select that particular quotation to place in my signature if I did not have a personal connection with the wisdom contained in the message? Is your comment not rather presumptuous?

    Perhaps you can demonstrate a little more patience for those of us who are unfamiliar with this subject matter and are still exploring and experimenting to find what works specificually for us? I for one am reading texts by a variety of authors who share their own unique perspectives on this topic - much like you are doing in this thread. Some of these authors recommend using visualizations and offer descriptions of specific ones that they suggest have worked well for others. I am experimenting with such techniques to see if they work for me. If I find that they do not, I will abandon them. This is my journey of trial and error. Sometimes to discover what truly works for you in your life it is necessary to find out and experience what does not work, first.
    Last edited by wolfgaze; 24th April 2013 at 02:41. Reason: Grammar
    Quote
    "Death is a stripping away of all that is not you. The secret of life is to die before you die - and find that there is no death."

  26. The Following 12 Users Say Thank You to wolfgaze For This Post:

    AwakeInADream (24th April 2013), Eram (24th April 2013), Finefeather (24th April 2013), Freed Fox (24th April 2013), iamthat (15th May 2014), Libico (23rd May 2013), nevermnd (25th April 2013), Orph (24th April 2013), Reinhard (24th April 2013), Ron Mauer Sr (24th April 2013), soleil (24th April 2013), TraineeHuman (24th April 2013)

  27. Link to Post #634
    Netherlands Avalon Member Eram's Avatar
    Join Date
    19th March 2012
    Age
    52
    Posts
    1,479
    Thanks
    65,666
    Thanked 11,042 times in 1,437 posts

    Default Re: The Higher Self and transcendent experience, including OBEs

    Hi all,

    I haven't been reading the OBE threads for a week, so I have some catching up to do.

    Tonight, before I went to sleep, I expressed my intent to HS to become lucid in my dreams again. This time with the idea to just explore whatever the scene of the dream is presenting instead of demanding to go to HS.

    No lucid dream so far, but I just woke up from a dream about driving cars and that is a first for me as far as I can remember.
    All this talk about driving cars as of late in the OBE threads made me realize that I never dream about driving... Only planes.

    Any way....
    In this dream, a good friend and me where driving in a car (can't remember who was driving, I think it was of no importance) and suddenly there was this accident just behind us where two cars hit each other head on at high speed.
    One car was completely embedded in the other car and it was evident that both drivers were seriously injured if alive at all.

    We were the only ones present and it felt as if it was our duty to see if we could be of any assistance.
    The idea of what I might find there horrified me though and I decided to flee the scene and wait for others to do the rescue work etc.

    Next thing... I was sitting on a small hill next to the road and other people arrived and were giving assistance to the injured drivers.
    Then we all set there on that hill in a circle and the drivers of the crashed cars where there too. All I could see of them were their heads (which looked very pale) and shoulders.
    We were all explaining to these two man that their life was about to end because it was apparent that their injuries where so serious that it was only a matter of time before they would pass on.
    We were bringing it to them softly, because it seemed that they both where not aware of their situation.

    Strangely, both man looked fairly similar in appearance, almost as if they were brothers.
    Both had side beards and a sort of Elvis coupe of hair. Both giving me the impression that they had lived a life style that was not healthy for their bodies.

    That was the dream... and then I woke up in my 3D body.

    If this was indeed a dream about lives course, I would only be able to come with an interpretation that I am supposed to give assistance to people in some form and that i am afraid of it.
    ???


    My last lucid dream a few weeks back, started with a scene were a man was pinned down at the bottom of a swimming pool and I was reluctant to dive in and help the man.
    It seems that there is something with me and fear of helping people in need in my dreams?
    Last edited by Eram; 24th April 2013 at 03:13.

  28. The Following 9 Users Say Thank You to Eram For This Post:

    AwakeInADream (24th April 2013), Finefeather (24th April 2013), Freed Fox (24th April 2013), Libico (23rd May 2013), nevermnd (25th April 2013), Orph (24th April 2013), Reinhard (24th April 2013), soleil (24th April 2013), TraineeHuman (24th April 2013)

  29. Link to Post #635
    United States Honored, Retired Member. Ron passed in October 2022.
    Join Date
    5th January 2011
    Location
    Virginia
    Posts
    2,197
    Thanks
    13,269
    Thanked 18,291 times in 2,138 posts

    Default Re: The Higher Self and transcendent experience, including OBEs

    Quote Posted by wolfgaze (here)
    I am experimenting with such techniques to see if they work for me. If I find that they do not, I will abandon them. This is my journey of trial and error. Sometimes to discover what truly works for you in your life it is necessary to find out and experience what does not work, first.
    Sounds like my journey also. I've walked many paths, turned around, returned and started another.

    I'll bet that from a higher perspective, it is all about the journey and how one has played the game, not so much about the destination.

    But it would be so neat to score a victory and merge with HS without experiencing too many dead ends.
    Last edited by Ron Mauer Sr; 24th April 2013 at 03:02.

  30. The Following 11 Users Say Thank You to Ron Mauer Sr For This Post:

    AwakeInADream (24th April 2013), Eram (24th April 2013), Finefeather (24th April 2013), Freed Fox (24th April 2013), iamthat (15th May 2014), nevermnd (25th April 2013), Orph (24th April 2013), Reinhard (24th April 2013), soleil (24th April 2013), TraineeHuman (24th April 2013), wolfgaze (24th April 2013)

  31. Link to Post #636
    Netherlands Avalon Member Eram's Avatar
    Join Date
    19th March 2012
    Age
    52
    Posts
    1,479
    Thanks
    65,666
    Thanked 11,042 times in 1,437 posts

    Default Re: The Higher Self and transcendent experience, including OBEs

    Quote Posted by TraineeHuman (here)
    I’ve recently mentioned that I’m kind of waiting for some members to identify what are the indicators that the HS is really there, when it is there for you (in your conscious). I would say there are about four such different indicators, and so far contributors have come up with about two-and-a-half.

    However, one of these indicators was in a way only mentioned in passing by AwakeInADream over a month ago. His description of how he came by it was hard for me to follow, and then he said he hadn’t been able to repeat that experience. However, the “indicator” quality of the HS that he mentioned was a feeling of what he called “extension” – or maybe, I guess, that could be called a feeling of “wideness” or “vastness”. At any rate, he hit a bulls-eye in identifying one of the four indicators which I would wish for all of you to become familiar with in the near future. Can you learn to feel, at least sometimes, that you are truly, actually vast inside, in your true nature? Can you kind of walk around carrying that with you?

    I suspect he found it by proper use of the imagination – which, let me say again, is a valid way of discovering parts of the truth, if done in a grounded or calm way.

    I’m still waiting to hear someone mention one-and-a-half of the indicators, or one more at least. If you can focus on what’s truly wonderful about the HS, they should come to you. I’m not asking you to think, but to look, to experience. I’ll be writing some more shortly to hopefully point you in roughly the right directions.

    Not sure if I am in a position to add something of value here, because my initial contact with HS as I perceived it has faded away somewhat in the last weeks, but what I remember of it, was a feeling of not being alone any more.
    Through my back or backside of my body, I felt connected with ... well... HS I think.
    The feeling of not being alone was as real as if I was with some one else there.

    Also, the feeling of being separated was sort of gone.
    It was there still when perceived from looking out of my eyes, watching the 3D world around me, but inward looking, I could feel the oneness of it all.
    Last edited by Eram; 24th April 2013 at 03:07.

  32. The Following 9 Users Say Thank You to Eram For This Post:

    AwakeInADream (24th April 2013), Finefeather (24th April 2013), Libico (23rd May 2013), nevermnd (25th April 2013), Orph (24th April 2013), Reinhard (24th April 2013), soleil (24th April 2013), TraineeHuman (24th April 2013), wolfgaze (24th April 2013)

  33. Link to Post #637
    Avalon Member TraineeHuman's Avatar
    Join Date
    22nd March 2010
    Posts
    1,926
    Thanks
    4,527
    Thanked 11,927 times in 1,827 posts

    Default Re: The Higher Self and transcendent experience, including OBEs

    Quote Posted by Eram (here)
    We were the only ones present and it felt as if it was our duty to see if we could be of any assistance.
    The idea of what I might find there horrified me though and I decided to fled the scene and wait for others to do the rescue work etc.
    ...
    It seems that there is something with me and fear of helping people in need in my dreams?
    You're right, the dreams are definitely saying that in your life right now you could in some way help others in their lives much more.

    It also looks like the dreams are saying you need to stop being unwilling to face conflict [big car crashes], and some other unpleasant or degraded people or situations. I guess that also means you have some fear of your own dark side, because if you can face it inside yourself, you'll have no problem facing it outside you if it comes up.

    I wonder whether perhaps you have been repressing all anger inside yourself?
    Last edited by TraineeHuman; 24th April 2013 at 03:23.

  34. The Following 9 Users Say Thank You to TraineeHuman For This Post:

    AwakeInADream (24th April 2013), Eram (24th April 2013), Finefeather (24th April 2013), Freed Fox (24th April 2013), Libico (23rd May 2013), nevermnd (25th April 2013), Orph (24th April 2013), Reinhard (24th April 2013), soleil (24th April 2013)

  35. Link to Post #638
    Avalon Member TraineeHuman's Avatar
    Join Date
    22nd March 2010
    Posts
    1,926
    Thanks
    4,527
    Thanked 11,927 times in 1,827 posts

    Default Re: The Higher Self and transcendent experience, including OBEs

    Quote Posted by AwakeInADream (here)
    Is it possible to enter into the body of an animal whilst astral travelling?
    (I know humans are protected from this sort of possession, but what if the animal was willing?)

    I think it would be pretty cool to fly as a genuine eagle, run like a horse, or to know why a cat purr's.
    Yes, it's possible to do that, and I have. It wasn't usually as wonderful as you seem to suppose, though. In fact, I tend to love animals and if I get into communication with one I have to be careful not to jump inside. If I do jump inside, there'll be two consciousnesses inside the animal, but the animal won't mind. The only drawback is that animals have a much lower level of consciousness and intellect. If I jump inside, I'll be left with plenty of dull energy and stupidity that I'll need to heal myself of, and a bad headache. When I go back to my own body it initially feels like my head is totally made of solid rock, a very unpleasant experience.

    You may be aware that indigenous peoples traditionally use animal totems, also known as animal guides. This involves having a dead animal as your pet or helper or guide in the astral world. If it was, for example, a fox, you would draw on its guidance in situations when you perhaps need pure cunning -- particularly if you're not the kind of human who has much cunning naturally. In appropriate situations, your animal can give you a kind of total sense of how it would feel and sense in that situation, and it's always easy to imitate that. I used to have many totem animals of my own, including a Chinese lion / snow leopard, a tiger, a whale, and two extraterrestrial types of animals, actually. I stopped using them except very rarely, because I found that a limited form of the "hitchhiker" phenomenon can develop.
    Above all, always refuse to cut your life in two: nonduality/duality, matter/Spirit, etc
    A mind which is not crippled by memory has real freedom. ~ J. Krishnamurti
    (True, deep) stillness is the way.

  36. The Following 8 Users Say Thank You to TraineeHuman For This Post:

    AwakeInADream (24th April 2013), Eram (24th April 2013), Finefeather (24th April 2013), Freed Fox (24th April 2013), Libico (23rd May 2013), nevermnd (25th April 2013), Reinhard (24th April 2013), soleil (24th April 2013)

  37. Link to Post #639
    Netherlands Avalon Member Eram's Avatar
    Join Date
    19th March 2012
    Age
    52
    Posts
    1,479
    Thanks
    65,666
    Thanked 11,042 times in 1,437 posts

    Default Re: The Higher Self and transcendent experience, including OBEs

    Quote Posted by meeradas (here)
    Quote Posted by TraineeHuman (here)
    ... trouble is, particularly before the descent of Source begins, the individual sees all the insanity and falseness and pettiness of life in our society and culture, and sees it so clearly it’s quite reasonable to reject it and feel inside that one doesn’t want anything further to do with it – though not in the sense of suicide. Once the descent of Source eventually begins,...
    Source is late. Am around like this for thirty+ yrs now...
    Quote Posted by Orph (here)
    Quote Posted by meeradas (here)
    Quote Posted by TraineeHuman (here)
    ... trouble is, particularly before the descent of Source begins, the individual sees all the insanity and falseness and pettiness of life in our society and culture, and sees it so clearly it’s quite reasonable to reject it and feel inside that one doesn’t want anything further to do with it – though not in the sense of suicide. Once the descent of Source eventually begins,...
    Source is late. Am around like this for thirty+ yrs now...
    Me too, only longer. This would help explain in part why I never seemed to fit in. So much stuff that everyone seems to think is important means absolutely nothing to me. Even now, there's a part of me that just wants to literally walk away from it all. Wish 'Source' could move a little faster. This body is getting older, Time is running out.
    Quote Posted by rmauersr (here)
    Me too. Started around 1977. Maybe we are on schedule. I'd like to know.

    Quote Posted by Orph (here)
    Quote Posted by meeradas (here)
    Quote Posted by TraineeHuman (here)
    ... trouble is, particularly before the descent of Source begins, the individual sees all the insanity and falseness and pettiness of life in our society and culture, and sees it so clearly it’s quite reasonable to reject it and feel inside that one doesn’t want anything further to do with it – though not in the sense of suicide. Once the descent of Source eventually begins,...
    Source is late. Am around like this for thirty+ yrs now...
    Me too, only longer. This would help explain in part why I never seemed to fit in. So much stuff that everyone seems to think is important means absolutely nothing to me. Even now, there's a part of me that just wants to literally walk away from it all. Wish 'Source' could move a little faster. This body is getting older, Time is running out.
    Quote Posted by TraineeHuman (here)
    Somehow it kind of in a way reminds me of the prayer: “Lord, I believe; help me because of my unbelief.”
    A married couple whom I am befriended with had a wish to have children and for some years they tried and tried, without any luck.
    They were really obsessed with the whole idea of becoming parents.
    After some testing they found out that they weren't the most fertile people on the planet so they decided to try IVF.
    This too seemed fruitless and after much effort into that they just accepted that they would be childless and changed their focus to other adventures.

    2 months later she became pregnant and 4,5 years later, they are now father and mother of two healthy sons.

    Maybe it is time to accept defeat.

    just sayin....
    Last edited by Eram; 24th April 2013 at 07:22.

  38. The Following 7 Users Say Thank You to Eram For This Post:

    AwakeInADream (24th April 2013), Finefeather (24th April 2013), Libico (23rd May 2013), nevermnd (25th April 2013), Reinhard (24th April 2013), soleil (24th April 2013), TraineeHuman (24th April 2013)

  39. Link to Post #640
    Avalon Retired Member
    Join Date
    21st May 2012
    Location
    Scandinavia
    Age
    57
    Posts
    387
    Thanks
    3,792
    Thanked 2,452 times in 356 posts

    Default Re: The Higher Self and transcendent experience, including OBEs

    Quote Posted by Eram (here)
    Not sure if I am in a position to add something of value here, because my initial contact with HS as I perceived it has faded away somewhat in the last weeks, but what I remember of it, was a feeling of not being alone any more.
    Through my back or backside of my body, I felt connected with ... well... HS I think.
    The feeling of not being alone was as real as if I was with some one else there.

    Also, the feeling of being separated was sort of gone.
    It was there still when perceived from looking out of my eyes, watching the 3D world around me, but inward looking, I could feel the oneness of it all.
    This is how I feel the connection to source / HS / too. Through the back of my body.

    Just need to keep reminding myself to connect, instead of becoming caught up in fear.

  40. The Following 9 Users Say Thank You to Swan For This Post:

    AwakeInADream (24th April 2013), Eram (24th April 2013), Finefeather (24th April 2013), Joe Akulis (13th May 2013), Libico (23rd May 2013), nevermnd (25th April 2013), Reinhard (24th April 2013), soleil (24th April 2013), TraineeHuman (24th April 2013)

+ Reply to Thread
Page 32 of 148 FirstFirst 1 22 32 42 82 132 148 LastLast

Tags for this Thread

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts