Boston marathon bombings (was: Explosions at Boston marathon)

[InCiDeR]

[Dennis Leahy]

Posted by Paul (here)
...It's starting to look to me like whatever image you started with for your work had less useful detail than whatever image the guy producing that youtube video (from which I screen captured the face image on the left) was working from.

I tried to see if I could get a reasonable facsimile of the enlarged image, using my software. I couldn't.

I started from a very small crop, and enlarged it a step at a time (115%), three times, then used a a very light "unsharp mask." I repeated this several times to get about as large as your YouTube Screen grab - and the face had a porcine nose.

There are newer and much better fractal enlargement algorithms that what I have (something I just don't use, don't need, and so haven't purchased), but I do think that I don't have a copy of the full resolution image (too few dots-per-inch. So, I agree.

Dennis

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by InCiDeR (here)
[IMG]http://img811.imageshack.us/img811/4481/backpackzoomed.png[/IMG]

Good image ... thanks!

Can you tell us the "chain of custody" of that image, so far as you know it? Where did you get it, and what did you do to it?

Thanks.

[Dennis Leahy]

Posted by InCiDeR (here)

I think I'm going off a bit on a tangent if I keep talking about this photo, but I'm curious

1.) what image did you start with, and
2.) what technique and software did you use to do that enlargement.

The original I used was 960x720x120ppi. I know the zoom image that I screen captured was an accurate representation of the original pixels I was working with, but I have no software that could take a 120ppi image and get anywhere near the enlargement algorithm or technique you used. I'm guessing that you found a much higher resolution image to start from - or you are a digital imaging wizard.

Thanks,

Dennis

[InCiDeR]

I searched for the highest resolution for that scene on internet. I found a .jpg that was 635x400x96dpi 24bit, Sadly I can't remember where I found it:



I simply used Paint in Windows 7 to crop it, then I resized it with Paint as well. No magic tools here, just the ordinary stuff

I saved the picture as .png and uploaded it to imagehack (then they probably did some unknown things with the image as well)

Still it is hard to tell if this is photoshopped or not. Sometimes I believe I see a square in the area that guy was talking about, but then again I believe it is just my imagination.

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by InCiDeR (here)
I searched for the highest resolution for that scene on internet. I found a .jpg that was 635x400x96dpi 24bit, Sadly I can't remember where I found it:

Ok - thanks.

I went searching now, and the best I could find (using Google image search for "Dzhokhar runner florida") was with the article Boston Marathon Runner: I Photographed Dzhokhar Tsarnaev After the Bombings (people.com).

This article reads in part as follows:

Days before a Watertown citizen helped lead police to the second suspect in the Boston Marathon bombing, another ordinary civilian provided a photo that helped identify the most wanted man in America.

In the chaos immediately after the Boston Marathon blasts, David Green took a picture with his smartphone before helping those who had been injured in the second blast.

It wasn't until three days later, when officials released video of the two suspects, that Green realized that he had a clear photo of suspect Dzhokhar Tsarnaev walking away from the scene.

Green, the CEO of a sportswear company who ran the marathon, immediately understood the importance of taking the picture. "I was in New York during 9/11," he tells PEOPLE. "You just have to document something, [so] I pulled my phone out and took one picture."

"Then I ran into the crowd to help whoever was there. I got back to the hotel, called the FBI and said I had the photo, then I posted it on Facebook."

Three days later, he saw the first videos of the suspects, and realized what he had done. "A buddy of mine said, 'You need to check your photo.' And sure enough I had a high res photo that showed [the suspect]. You could see the bag that carried the bomb was gone." The photo, he adds, "caught a pretty interesting moment in history – this guy walking away."

Google image search provides the following cropped portion of that image at the best resolution I can find:

I have copied the image from Google to my server, without any processing. This is a 768 × 1024 pixels jpg image.

Apparently whatever David Green uploaded to his Facebook site ended up being just a reduced resolution version of the entire image, not a higher resolution or cropped version of the portion of interest.

Comparing your image with mine up close (further cropped and view magnified, using Gimp on my computer) it seems that our two images have similar resolution, but that mine is "blotchier".

[ThePythonicCow]

Huffington Post has more details on David Green and this image in the article David Green, Boston Marathon Runner, Allegedly Snaps Photo Of Suspect Dzhokhar Tsarnaev Fleeing, including this image of David Green holding up the iPhone he used to capture the image:

David Green holds up his iPhone with a photo on it he took after the Boston Marathon bombing Friday, April 19, 2013, at his home in Jacksonville, Fla. Seconds after the Boston Marathon bombs exploded, Green pulled out his smartphone and took the photo of the chaos developing a couple hundred yards in front of him -- the smoke, the people running in panic. The Jacksonville businessman then put his phone back in this pocket and went to help the injured. It wasn’t until Thursday that Green realize

Here is a Google street view link to the location where David Green must have been when he took this picture: http://goo.gl/maps/mQf2q

Dzhokhar Tsarnaev is at the corner of Boylston Street and Fairfield Street, in front of the Anthropologie store in the 700 block of Boylston.

Dzhokhar would have been about 300 yards down Boylston from the location of the first bomb explosion, and given here that the two bombs were about 100 yards apart, he would have been 200 yards from the location of the second bomb, both locations behind him.

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by Paul (here)
Dzhokhar would have been about 300 yards down Boylston from the location of the first bomb explosion, and given here that the two bombs were about 100 yards apart, he would have been 200 yards from the location of the second bomb, both locations behind him.

Ah - here's more accurate information on the location of the two explosions: Site of the Explosions at the Boston Marathon (NY Times).

The explosions were about 180 yards (550 feet) apart, not 100 yards. Still, both locations are behind Dzhokhar, by 300 yards and 120 yards, respectively. The full image that David Green took is looking up Boylston Street, toward the Finish Line for the Boston marathon, and towards both explosions.

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Aha - finally - I found a full, high resolution version, which I have uploaded to http://thepythoniccow.us/david_green...s_high_res.JPG . It is a 3264 × 2448 pixels jpg image. I found it searching for "david green boston marathon". Also the Boston Herald has a moderately cropped high res image at http://bostonherald.com/sites/defaul...ed14e21d18.jpg

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In any case, I see no clear evidence that these images are photoshopped, and I see no evidence of a visible backpack. However I am sure a sufficiently competent photoshopper could make a backpack disappear from such images without my being able to detect the changes.

[araucaria]

Posted by Paul (here)

Posted by InCiDeR (here)
I searched for the highest resolution for that scene on internet. I found a .jpg that was 635x400x96dpi 24bit, Sadly I can't remember where I found it:

Ok - thanks.

...

Sorry if I have not been paying attention, but isn't this the photo that was described as showing this guy with a black backpack after the explosion? If so, what looked like a backpack is just his arm bent backwards.

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by araucaria (here)
Sorry if I have not been paying attention, but isn't this the photo that was described as showing this guy with a black backpack after the explosion? If so, what looked like a backpack is just his arm bent backwards.

The backpack story has had many variants. I don't recall a variant that said there was an image of him having a black backpack after the explosion. Perhaps there was such a variant and I've forgotten.

The most recent variant that I recall, to which the last few pages of posts on this thread are responding, was the variant that I posted in Post #574 above, claiming that these pictures showing him not having a backpack were photoshopped to hide a backpack.

That claim of photoshopping led us (especially Dennis and myself) on a wild goose chase to find the best version of this image we could find, to see if it looked photoshopped.

Well ... one can never prove the absence of photoshopping. But so far we're not finding any evidence to support the claim it was photoshopped, so most likely either his backpack is on his right side, hidden by his body and arm, or else he left the backpack behind. If we knew which, that would be a huge piece of evidence toward his guilt or innocence. However ... we don't know.

[heysoulsister]

Can I just say
"Can ANYONE show us the video footage of the "Suspects" dropping or placing down them backpacks
- REALLY..... THAT is where all the proof is at. Or should be at and NEEDS to be Released!!!
And yet they released images of these young men, NEVER EVER showed ANY images of them putting down the backpacks.
Come on - really - is it too much to ask too see the images of the drop off of the bags, WE ALL NEED to see them.

Personally I think that Craft were involved, and there were craft operatives in "plain clothes" whom actually placed the bomb, whilst their team mates made sure the job was carried out, civilian clothes.
Those kids were controlled Patsy's.
We should all be showing an equal amout of attention to Waco TX and yet we are not :/ That worries me greatly... common gang, lift the game

[Slorri]

"Monday, April 22, 2013

Can you please do a reading on the Boston Marathon bombings from the bombing to the manhunt and lock down? Who is behind it? And why? We would like to know what your take on that...thank you."
can-you-please-do-reading-on-boston

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by heysoulsister (here)
Can I just say
"Show US the video footage of the "Suspects" dropping or placing down them backpacks - REALLY..... THAT is where all the proof is at.

...

We should all be showing an equal amout of attention to Waco TX and yet we are not :/

You can say it ... they will never listen .

By "Waco" do you mean the Fertilizer Factory Explosion (West, Texas, USA - 17 April 2013)?

[jackovesk]

Posted by Referee (here)
Obama's Secret Service vs Infowar's Dan Bidondi.... IMO very important!

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=XqXAmONnKeo

Posted by Referee (here)
.... IMO very important!

Agreed Ref...

Isn't it funny how the (Main Message) both Alex & Dan were portraying near the end, more often than not falls onto 'Deaf Ears'... Sorry nobody home...

[heysoulsister]

I can do reading
- but for who???
Sorry but pass, mate.

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Posted by Paul (here)
By "Waco" do you mean the Fertilizer Factory Explosion (West, Texas, USA - 17 April 2013)?

Hi Paul - yes I meant the Fertiliser plant - it needs just as much air time IMHO - but that is JUST my opinion .

[humanalien]

If you look at araucari posted picture of Dzhokhar
or if you download pauls, hi res picture and look
at it with picture preview and resize it, Dzhokhars
left hand has a whole bunch of blotchy spots like
smoke or something, surrounding it.

No one else in pauls pictures has that problem, except
for pixelation.

Is that a sign of photoshopping? I'm no expert, so
that's why i ask.

A video posted here said that Dzhokhar was wearing
his backpack on his right side and someone photoshopped
his left arm, to bend it back further, to hide the backpack
from view.

[turiya]

Posted by Earth Angel (here)
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/04/24...stions-boston/

love the professional journalism

The nutty Florida Atlantic University professor who suggested the Sandy Hook school massacre was staged is at it again, blogging that the Boston Marathon bombing was some sort of government dri

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/04/24...#ixzz2RQywonZz

"James Tracy, a tenured associate professor of media history and analysis studies, posted his latest conspiracy on his personal blog, claiming that the bombing attack that killed three and injured nearly 200 was a “mass casualty drill” planned by the government.

“In short, the event closely resembles a mass-casualty drill, which for training purposes are designed to be as lifelike as possible,” Tracy wrote in an April 22 post on memoryholeblog.com titled, “Witnessing Boston’s Mass Casualty Event." “Since it is mediated, however, and primarily experienced from afar through the careful assemblage of words, images and the official pronouncements and commentary of celebrity journalists, it has the semblance of being, for all practical purposes, ‘real.’”

Tracy supports his claims with what he says is photographic proof that, “suggests the possibility of play actors getting into position after the detonation of what may in fact have been a smoke bomb or similarly benign explosive.”"
Source

Here's some back-up for the "nutty professor", James Tracy...

Mass Casualty Exercise at Community College of Aurora in Colorado

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=SzHGLdtR2WU

Published on May 10, 2011

This video, produced by CCA's renowned Colorado Film School, shows a simulated disaster and response scenario. These scenarios are used to train emergency responders. CCA EMS and police academy students participated, in partnership with CCA's Disaster Management Institute, as well as actors from CCA's Theatre Department.

turiya

[InCiDeR]

Great find of that high resolution picture Paul! I put it into some programs I have on my computer, but I wasn't able to catch anything out of normal in the photo. But as you said, an expert would probably do this good enough for any amateur to catch it!

Posted by Paul (here)
...Three days later, he saw the first videos of the suspects, and realized what he had done. "A buddy of mine said, 'You need to check your photo.' And sure enough I had a high res photo that showed [the suspect]. You could see the bag that carried the bomb was gone." The photo, he adds, "caught a pretty interesting moment in history – this guy walking away."...

Interesting how they manipulate our mind all the time, with sneaky little comments like this, without the majority noticing it. How could he be so sure that it was a bomb in the backpack that was missing? Maybe because he read about it in the media, nicht wahr!? Has he seen any evidence? NO, most definately not. But now will his remark/comment be valuated as confirmation/evidence. Interesting how they plant evidence in readers/peoples mind by circular reasoning.

All together now: "His backpack was not black as the backpack apparently were that contained the bombs and shown as evidence by mainstream media and police!" [/end rant]

Far from it. So from where did he get that backpack? Handed by the CST personell? And what happened with his own backpack (if he is not still carrying it over his right shoulder in the "after explosion" picture)? OHHH, I would love to see a picture from an opposite angle...

[Hervé]

Posted by turiya (here)
[...]

... after the detonation of what may in fact have been a smoke bomb or similarly benign explosive.”"
Source

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That argument doesn't hold; see post # 582

[SilentFeathers]

Sure has been a bunch of "explosions" lately, seems it's becoming the norm and or a conditioning; I wonder if the next one will be in Louisiana at the sink hole....