The Higher Self and transcendent experience, including OBEs

[TraineeHuman]

I’d like to say something about what is meant by “trance”. The definition of that term that I would prefer to start with is as follows:

Trance is any state of consciousness where you are partly or fully disconnected from the physical senses

By that definition, we’re in a trance whenever we’re asleep. Also whenever we’re OB, such as in astral travel. In meditation we go into trance to a greater or lesser degree as well, by this definition.

At the risk of maybe sounding controversial, I’d like to point out ultimately our purpose is to become free of the limitations of the physical world. And that’s free of them while we’re in a waking state. That means that ultimately we have to bring anything “higher” we may experience in OBEs, meditation, or whatever, fully down to earth. For this reason, I tend to consider “bi-location” to be a more advanced and more desirable skill than just OB experience in some higher dimension. I can’t help noticing that all the more “advanced” individuals who’ve shared their experiences with me by PM but don’t want to post here publicly seem to progress to experiencing and using “bi-location” more than experiencing “pure” OBEs. I believe that’s also consistent with what the ancient meditation traditions taught.

We need to enrich our inside part, make our inner consciousness grow. But that consciousness also needs to start breaking through into our physical part. To our physical body consciousness it seems utterly weird at first. Often the body will drag us into sleepiness in an attempt to not experience this in the physical waking state, which, as I’ve said, is the state that ultimately needs to be liberated. If we experience such sleepiness or actually go to sleep, we will still have made progress.

[Finefeather]

Posted by rmauersr (here)
The energy I sometimes feel is a very strong tingling sensation that starts on my left side, rises slowly and reaches the top and left side of my head. If the flow starts outside my body and ends beyond it, of course I cannot tell. The flow usually occurs spontaneously, usually associated with some profound thought, and lasts no more than 2 seconds.
Could that be Kundalini?

Hi Ron
Well I do not want to outright say that that is kundalini...especially in the sense that we would like it to be...but a lot of out of the ordinary sensations which we have, regarding kundalini, start on the left side. In fact many years ago a scientist called Itzhak Bentov did a lot of research and found that kundalini started in the body from the left big toe...and many people reported their big toenail going black and falling off for no normal reason what so ever. I have personal had experience of extreme pain in my left toe and I know for certain that it was not due to some injury. You can search for more info about him on the net.
The thing I can say with certainty is that kundalini effects the nervous system quite profoundly.
Take care
Ray

[TraineeHuman]

While we’re on the subject of kundalini being Gaia’s transformative, evolutionary force, I’d like to say several things about how extraordinary and precious a thing this is.

Usually the ego has built up over many, many lifetimes. That gives it a huge momentum, and makes everything it feels seem so habitual, not to let that drunken monkey rule your life and make it superficial feels almost like being unnatural. We talk of “human nature”, and that is the ego’s nature, not the being’s, not the HS’s.

The Gaia force is a kind of counter to all that, and we sure need it. For instance, many of you are near the beginning of your journey to the HS, let alone to Source, whether you know it or not. Or at least many of you are nearer the start than the finish. One of the extraordinary things about the Gaia force is that it will keep on helping you to go further. It won’t stop unless you reach a point where you can’t possibly go further. I’m not sure such a point exists for many who have posted here.

The Gaia force works in various ways. One way is through nature spirits. Whenever you are in a naturally beautiful place, or a naturally wild place, they will be there in force. Another way to access the Gaia force is simply through grounding yourself. We discussed some different ways to ground yourself in posts #194 and # 195, among others. But what they all achieve is to connect your tailbone to the Earth through a line of energy/Light. It doesn’t matter whether you can feel that line from your tailbone or not, it’s still there.

If you have the right attitude and you freely take on the intention to let the Gaia force enter you and work on you, it will work on co-creating with you in overcoming your weaknesses. This happens even before the kundalini has risen to the crown chakra and thence the Oversoul chakra. It doesn’t matter how high up the kundalini has been raised in you. This is a true blessing, because only after the kundalini gets to the Oversoul chakra does the HS manage to strongly show its presence to you, as far as I’m aware. But the Gaia force doesn’t shun diving into the mud and getting its “hands” dirty. It will accept you as you are.

The Gaia force will inwardly guide you to replacing service to your ego with service to Source, which is deeply in you as well as in everyone and everything else. It will give you the inspiration to reflect on your actions and see the subconscious forces pulling your strings in the dark. It will awaken inner peace in you. It will do all these things as long as you go along with it. I guess it’s a little similar to what Christians call “grace”. But it’s there waiting for you to just cooperate with it. And though Chester may have only experienced one nature spirit – however directly and vividly – rather than Gaia herself, that nature spirit will have been only one member of a huge network of forces that comprise the totality of Nature itself, all ready to work to help your consciousness evolve more quickly. Actually it sounds like Chester experienced considerably more than one nature spirit. It sounds like he at least glimpsed the entire network.

This is why it’s great if you can get out into Nature every day, or as often as you can.

[wolfgaze]

So I just had a new & unique (for me anyway) experience while meditating. I had found a guided meditation last night that I liked and started listening to it again this morning immediately after waking up. Towards the very end I experienced a sensation I had never felt prior to this while meditating. My eyes were closed and I began to feel a pulse or 'flicker' type sensation in my eyes, and this created an almost strobe effect with the light that I was perceiving through my eye lids. Well this sensation continued and even though it felt like my eyes remain closed, I began to see my room and my windows with the sun coming through as if my eyes were being opened. Anyone experienced something similar or recognize this as a 'symptom' that may precede an OBE?

Between the excitement of experiencing something 'new' and my dog coming over and plopping his head down next to me I lost my concentration/focus and ended my meditation when I probably should have kept it going. I hope to recreate this experience again in the very near future.

[Finefeather]

Posted by wolfgaze (here)
even though it felt like my eyes remain closed, I began to see my room and my windows with the sun coming through as if my eyes were being opened. Anyone experienced something similar or recognize this as a 'symptom' that may precede an OBE?

Hi wolfgaze
This is quite a common experience...and is definitely a partial OB experience. I get this all the time, just sitting around the house at times. Another one which I experience frequently is lifting out vertically from my body, as I am walking, and it feels as if you are growing taller.

You should try and use a blindfold (don't try this on the highway )...a really black one...no light through...but you must wait, with it on for a few minutes to stabilize and clear the light photons from the eyes. Then relax and imagine your eyes are moving through the blindfold...a few times I ended up seeing the room on my sides and even behind me.

Another thing I do as practice is...relax in one room, fully conscious, and simultaneously project to another room. It feels like you are expanding like a balloon...very cool

Another thing that I have learnt to do is to project into small spaces...for example I can sit on a chair in the lounge and then project into the carpet fibers and it seems like you'r in this weird forest...everything is magnified.

You seem to be doing great...keep going...practice makes perfect...but always remember to be mindful of your intentions and watch your emotions...and never try to force it.

Take care
Ray

[Finefeather]

I mentioned Itzhak Bentov in my post to Ron and thought it would be of value to post this video, which explains some of his work on the Mechanics of Consciousness...a very interesting man...a bit long, but you can do it in stages if you like.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=-uUY0dPE-is

[wolfgaze]

Posted by Finefeather (here)
Hi wolfgaze
This is quite a common experience...and is definitely a partial OB experience. I get this all the time, just sitting around the house at times. Another one which I experience frequently is lifting out vertically from my body, as I am walking, and it feels as if you are growing taller.

You should try and use a blindfold (don't try this on the highway )...a really black one...no light through...but you must wait, with it on for a few minutes to stabilize and clear the light photons from the eyes. Then relax and imagine your eyes are moving through the blindfold...a few times I ended up seeing the room on my sides and even behind me.

Another thing I do as practice is...relax in one room, fully conscious, and simultaneously project to another room. It feels like you are expanding like a balloon...very cool

Another thing that I have learnt to do is to project into small spaces...for example I can sit on a chair in the lounge and then project into the carpet fibers and it seems like you'r in this weird forest...everything is magnified.

You seem to be doing great...keep going...practice makes perfect...but always remember to be mindful of your intentions and watch your emotions...and never try to force it.

Take care
Ray

Thanks for the kind feedback Ray it's encouraging!

I am not an experienced meditator by any means. Truth be told I endured my 'awakening' journey/experience without practicing any formal meditation techniques. I guess you could say I did so in my own unique way. Anyway, it was only after I found that inner peace within that I felt motivated and that I finally had the focus & composure to begin engaging in the more direct/traditional meditation practices (I know that sounds backwards). So I'm maybe only a year into this and I certainly haven't been practicing every day but I've felt a renewed vigor to pursue this lately. My awareness is no longer preoccupied with what transpires in society or this physical/material world so I feel the OBE/astral state is the next logical progression for me to pursue.

I am going to try your 'blindfold' recommendation, that's an excellent idea. It feels like each new sensation or experience while meditating is a logical/linear progression from the last - sort of like you are building yourself up.

One question I was curious about. I am much more comfortable while laying down if I have my legs (ankles) crossed. It feels a little bit uncomfortable to me when my legs are apart and not touching - even when I sleep my legs need to be touching. Now I have read some authors describe meditation techniques/positions and recommend not to cross one's legs but I am wondering how important that really is and if I should just pursue whatever positions I find to be most comfortable/relaxing. I was just wondering if there are positions that might hinder or interfere with this OBE process that one should seek to avoid. Thanks!

Cheers.

[Finefeather]

Posted by wolfgaze (here)
One question I was curious about. I am much more comfortable while laying down if I have my legs (ankles) crossed. It feels a little bit uncomfortable to me when my legs are apart and not touching - even when I sleep my legs need to be touching. Now I have read some authors describe meditation techniques/positions and recommend not to cross one's legs but I am wondering how important that really is and if I should just pursue whatever positions I find to be most comfortable/relaxing. I was just wondering if there are positions that might hinder or interfere with this OBE process that one should seek to avoid.

Hi wolfgaze
You should make yourself comfortable...that all there is to it...however I have experienced some strange things during OB...despite what I thought was comfortable for me at the time...

When you first do OB you seem to get this feedback from the body telling you, for example, that there is some pressure on your leg or wherever and this pressure is often misconstrued as something...or even more scary...someone...interfering with your body...and this may instill some fear or even a bit of panic, and you will soon be struggling to get back into the body. This of course is all related to your state of mind...and that is why I always would advise people to work on their inner state and attitude before attempting OB. But this is not always necessary if you are a calm, emotion free person.

Here is an example of what I experienced a few times in my early days.
I lay down and had on a pants which happened to press tightly against my anus and gonads (trying to be polite ). As I started to disconnect I had this impression that somebody was trying to force sex with me and I became quite panic stricken...now, under normal circumstances, this would not have been a problem...after all I was a normal male with normal desires But knowing the circumstances which I was now in I thought this was some 'demon' attacking me...there followed a great panic on my part and I soon jolted my way back into my body to realize...with heart pounding...that my pants were pulled tight in my crutch. Today I just smile at all the foolish things that scared me...but that is all part of the learning curve. Of course there are some very real strange little 'guys' who interfere with you at times...but you'll soon get the hang of it.

So anyway...as I said...I have found no reason whatsoever in 40 years of OB for the need to be in any prescribed position. Just make yourself comfortable...allow for freedom of your body...try not to be too tightly wrapped up.

Crossing your legs might end up with some blood circulation problem...and so I would just be mindful of this.
Take care
Ray

[AwakeInADream]

I've found a great essay which tells you how to make contact with your Soul/HS.

It comes from the perspective of Quantum Physics and describes in detail what the Soul is and how you can merge with it.

Awakening your Soul or:
Becoming aware that you are a Spiritual Universe
BY FRED ALAN WOLF, PH.D.

http://www.fredalanwolf.com/myarticl...our%20soul.pdf

It takes you through three simple stages:

• Believe - That you have a Soul.
• Dialogue - Begin a wordless dialogue with your Soul.(similar to feeling the aliveness)
• Choose - A spiritual way of seeing the world.

I thorougly recommend it, and I think it complements this thread quite well.

If you like that, he goes into even more detail here:

THE QUANTUM PHYSICAL COMMUNICATION
BETWEEN THE SELF AND THE SOUL

http://www.fredalanwolf.com/myarticl...%20revised.pdf

I think my HS lead me to find these documents in a roundabout way, since I was following some very cryptic instructions I got from a hypnagogic voice (telling me to be sat down in front of the TV at a certain time on a certain day) when I stumbled across them.

I also saw a man in a foggy vision that looked a little like Mr Wolf wearing a silver outfit with red lining and a baseball cap. He was working on some machine and twice turned to look at me.

I know this sounds a little odd (and tenuous) but I'm strangely compelled towards the man. He likes Vincent Van Gogh too! LOL

[wolfgaze]

Posted by Finefeather (here)
Hi wolfgaze
You should make yourself comfortable...that all there is to it...however I have experienced some strange things during OB...despite what I thought was comfortable for me at the time...

When you first do OB you seem to get this feedback from the body telling you, for example, that there is some pressure on your leg or wherever and this pressure is often misconstrued as something...or even more scary...someone...interfering with your body...and this may instill some fear or even a bit of panic, and you will soon be struggling to get back into the body. This of course is all related to your state of mind...and that is why I always would advise people to work on their inner state and attitude before attempting OB. But this is not always necessary if you are a calm, emotion free person.

Here is an example of what I experienced a few times in my early days.
I lay down and had on a pants which happened to press tightly against my anus and gonads (trying to be polite ). As I started to disconnect I had this impression that somebody was trying to force sex with me and I became quite panic stricken...now, under normal circumstances, this would not have been a problem...after all I was a normal male with normal desires But knowing the circumstances which I was now in I thought this was some 'demon' attacking me...there followed a great panic on my part and I soon jolted my way back into my body to realize...with heart pounding...that my pants were pulled tight in my crutch. Today I just smile at all the foolish things that scared me...but that is all part of the learning curve. Of course there are some very real strange little 'guys' who interfere with you at times...but you'll soon get the hang of it.

So anyway...as I said...I have found no reason whatsoever in 40 years of OB for the need to be in any prescribed position. Just make yourself comfortable...allow for freedom of your body...try not to be too tightly wrapped up.

Crossing your legs might end up with some blood circulation problem...and so I would just be mindful of this.
Take care
Ray

Yes I would say I have a very calm and laid back demeanor. I tend to just 'roll with the punches' and not get easily worked up or emotional over things.

That was an interesting/comical anecdote that you shared. Although I'm sure you were quite alarmed at the time - it's nice to be able to laugh about it now.

I have my own experiences that I look back on and find humor in. I had absolutely no idea what 'kundalini energy' was while I was undergoing that experience. So I initially came up with my own seemingly 'logical' explanations for the types of symptoms and experiences I was having:

- The glimmers & sparkles of white light I was seeing in my periphery vision I initially thought were random reflections from the face of my watch or coming from elsewhere - although I could never recreate the effect.
- The tingling sensation at the top of my head also coincided with my thinning hair so I originally assumed it must be the sensation of my hair follicles dying or hair loss - which I found to be quite depressing (LOL).
- I experienced several months of these 'pin prick' type sensations on my skin/limbs (like I was being bitten/stung) and more frequently when I would lie down in bed. I began to believe I had bed bugs and would spring the covers off and use a flashlight to try and locate them. When that failed I began to point the finger at my dog and start to question if he had fleas that he brought onto my bed.
- Woke up on a handful of mornings feeling a shaking/vibrating sensation throughout my body that I thought was an external earthquake. When that couldn't be confirmed I found a way to blame the dog again (when he dreams he twitches/shakes and I just assumed it was him that was rattling the bed)

The only experience I could not find some type of explanation for was that on a handful occassions I would be doing something and my t-shirt would suddenly move/shift against my body as if someone/something had gently pulled/tugged at it. Your post reminded me of this sensation/experience. Rather than react with fear/anxiety I just would tell myself "well that was odd/weird" and then move on about my business. I do believe in spirits/energy of course but I personally choose not to subscribe to the common conceptualization of 'demons' as I feel that term & associated imagery is designed to invoke a fear response which I find to be detrimental. I guess I sort of try and keep my frequency or conscious awareness at a level where I feel I can maintain sovereignty of my personal space & energetic field. Maybe it's not so much that I close my mind off to the possibility or existence of something, just that I consciously choose not to feed or direct any energy towards it.

Physically/mentally I feel I am ready for whatever curveballs this process/experience throws at me. I just need to keep working towards it and not lose my focus/patience. It is very helpful to have mature and responsive folks to discuss these matters with.

[MK777]

Hello my dear friends.

Thank you all for your wonderful wisdom and for sharing your experiences. I am a newbie on this forum in terms of contribution, but have been following it for quite some time. I feel compelled to break through the barrier of being painfully shy to share my experiences because I may glean some wisdom from all of you and conversely this may help other fledgelings like me....so here it goes.

Let me start with a bit of a backdrop on how it all began for me. Approximately 3 or so years ago I was home alone with my baby son and I was watching TV on mute when I suddenly heard a voice in my ear calling my name. I literally jumped with fear and felt warmth all over (this happened on two occasions). Ever since that day things had started to unfold, so to speak. Not long after, my intuition kicked in and I suddenly felt people and who they are beyond how they presented themselves to be. I had also seen spirits but quickly closed that portal. Somewhere amongst those experiences I had a vision of Archangel Michael standing with a staff in his hands. At the time I had heard of Archangel Michael but had no idea what purpose he served and why he would appear in my vision. But that vision is now my signpost of all the things that happened thereafter as my intuition really kicked in where I could perfectly intuit events for my family.

I had gone through numerous psychics, Life between Lives regression, past life regression, a guru and so on to figure out what is this that I am going through. I had gleaned some clarity, but inexplicable experiences are still continuing. I say inexplicable, because I have not been able to figure out what they are all about.

For the last month I have been feeling the energy vortexing internally from my head down to my tailbone. It is vertical and continuous that I almost feel like I have a mini tornado inside of me. I can feel this when I'm still and I have also noticed that the speed changes, too. Sometimes it gets so overwhelming that it makes me feel like I'm going to lose the balance of my physical body. What goes on mentally at the time is stillness or near stillness. Also, on a few occasions I felt small vortices all over my body (not necessarily lined up with the chakras). Around the same time I had a vision a few times of a woman spinning energy ( I cannot explain it better than that) and when I asked 'Who are you', she replied 'You'.

Another experience I had was while brushing my teeth where I saw a pale emerald green tube running from the top of my head, slightly more toward the forehead rather than the middle. Naturally, the minute I focused my eyes it was gone.

I sometimes feel like someone is touching me, or that my energy body is separating for me but only in certain parts, i.e. like my hand or hip, etc. The most annoying feeling, and this happens almost every night when I go to bed, is like someone is poking a finger inside my ear very gently.

Wolfgaze, the experiences that you have are almost identical to what I am experiencing as well. I love them, even though they can be a bit creepy sometimes.

Please forgive me for lengthiness...my heart is open to your wisdom.

Marina

p.s. Thank you TraineeHuman!!

[TraineeHuman]

For a number of years I used to experience all sorts of sensations from my 4D body interacting with my physical body – such as the almost “finger in the ear” Marina experiences and a number of the things wolfgaze or Ray have mentioned. In time I learnt to ignore most of them. I guess I started astral traveling after having done nothing else except meditation. In meditation, you are taught to ignore everything and just keep going for greater emptiness, which, paradoxically almost never felt empty to me, or at least quite weird-empty when it came close to feeling like a complete blank. The idea behind pure meditation is that if you keep ignoring all these phenomena, that will keep taking you higher and higher, if you’re meditating properly.

I see the experience of the two levels (dimensions) of sensation at once as one example of bi-location, but I’m usually more interested these days in such experiences where the nonphysical experience is from a higher dimension than that, because usually there’s greater wisdom and power the “higher” you go.

These days there are still some of these things I don’t ignore, though. A major one is lights. In my own experience these are usually to do with healing angels or my own healing energies or with highly evolved beings from higher dimensions. I guess I take anything near or above the head very seriously too, because that’s where the most subtle “energies” are. The emerald color MK777 mentions as connecting from the middle of the head chakra to the Oversoul is very significant. That color in that particular spot signifies a kind of ultimate level, some variety of enlightenment or full mastery. As I’ve mentioned to Marina, the video by Drunvalo mentioned in post # 471 is probably relevant.

As I’ve also pointed out to Marina, the vortex from her head to her tailbone does exist, cf post # 125 in the “Breatharianism …” thread. The extraordinary thing is that so much energy and Light has been activated in Marina’s body, so that she’s directly aware of that vortex so often.

[TraineeHuman]

Posted by MK777 (here)
I feel compelled to break through the barrier of being painfully shy to share my experiences ...

For the last month I have been feeling the energy vortexing internally from my head down to my tailbone. It is vertical and continuous that I almost feel like I have a mini tornado inside of me. I can feel this when I'm still and I have also noticed that the speed changes, too. Sometimes it gets so overwhelming that it makes me feel like I'm going to lose the balance of my physical body. What goes on mentally at the time is stillness or near stillness. Also, on a few occasions I felt small vortices all over my body (not necessarily lined up with the chakras). Around the same time I had a vision a few times of a woman spinning energy ( I cannot explain it better than that) and when I asked 'Who are you', she replied 'You'.

Here’s one big clue to help explain what Marina is going through, I believe. The normal direction of the flow of energy (electricity and magnetism and Light) in meditation and otherwise is from the Oversoul point to the top of the head then down the middle front of the body to the second chakra; then up the spine to as far as the kundalini has risen. But notice that in Marina’s spine the energy is traveling in the opposite direction!

Let’s combine this information with some from the Breatharianism thread, around post #125 or a little after. There Dawn explains that a certain breatharian individual worked out that the way he created and maintained a breatharian state of being in himself was by sometimes managing to reverse the normal directions of flow of his body’s main energy vortices during waking hours.

So, it seems that Marina’s HS (or is that Source itself?) is spontaneously making her energy flow in the reverse direction. I strongly suspect this is what the “spinning” activity Marina mentions is all about.

I don’t think this necessarily means Marina will spontaneously become a breatharian and no longer need food – unless she wants to become that. But I do see the reversal of all the major body energies as a significant step in the deconstruction of the HS and its conversion into Source. And that’s what I believe Marina is fundamentally going through. That’s why the Archangel Michael dropped in to say hello.

Consider the fact that all thoughts (and the world of 5D) are electricity and all emotions (and the world of 4D) are essentially magnetism, structured by electricity. Does it not sound plausible then that reversing the directions and polarities can so to speak unwind the thread of everything an individual has been at a 3D, 4D and 5D level? Eventually – after much time --, I expect such an individual would reach a point where they can levitate and fly in their physical body wherever they wish, and otherwise break the laws of physics, such as doing miracles.

So, I believe Marina is experiencing some stage of the long process of the Descent of Source (and continual bliss, instead of just profound peace) into fully manifesting in the physical world through the physical body of a live human. I believe she will eventually pass from being “hyperenergised” to just being continually happy while she remains fully involved in such activities as raising her kids.

It’s not so surprising to me that Marina has become able to see inside people’s hearts. Source penetrates into everything.

[OOO]

Wow TH that is some inspiring information. It gave me goose
bumps.

Marina could you give us some insights as to how you work
with this? Maybe exlain the subtleties we might miss.
Thank you.

[MK777]

Hi OOO,

I am not sure that I am able to explain the subtleties. However, what is clear to me is my desire (deep, inner desire) to understand who I am, and as such I go with the flow. I believe that these experiences are simply a product of that desire.

Also, what I find helpful is having deep gratitude and allowing all the experiences, good or bad. In fact, I am mostly grateful for the tough experiences, i.e. like dealing with fear of suffering or death. They are my real pushers to feel freer and more peaceful. I also want to add that my gratitude doesn't come from merely saying the words 'thank you', but it is felt with my entire being that I am often moved to tears of joy. Sometimes I feel masochistic, but it seems to work well for me.

I do not have much time to meditate because I have small kids. What I do is mini meditations, where I lie down for 5-10 minutes and just connect and feel.

Forgive me if this is too shallow, but I consider myself a simple person.

Thank you OOO for asking the question.

Marina

[TraineeHuman]

Posted by Finefeather (here)
I mentioned Itzhak Bentov in my post to Ron and thought it would be of value to post this video, which explains some of his work on the Mechanics of Consciousness...a very interesting man...a bit long, but you can do it in stages if you like.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=-uUY0dPE-is

Absolutely wonderful video, Ray! I hope everyone watches it. Benthov often manages to be very entertaining and humorous here. At the same time he clearly explains a whole number of things I've been trying to make clearer in this thread since the beginning. For instance, that OB experience has ultimately much more to do with just making one's consciousness less limited and more expanded, rather than with flying off to somewhere exotic. No doubt you've been making essentially that same point when you speak of lifting the veil more and more.

[TraineeHuman]

Posted by wolfgaze (here)
I am going to try your [Ray's] 'blindfold' recommendation, that's an excellent idea. It feels like each new sensation or experience while meditating is a logical/linear progression from the last - sort of like you are building yourself up.

I believe things like the "blindfold" exercise and the others Ray has been recommending are the same as, or equivalent to, examples of "energy work". For some reason most people seem to learn OB travel much better by doing hours and hours worth of such exercises. I suspect that may be because it's all kind of learning to flex your nonphysical "muscles". I know that both Jake and Robert Bruce evidently regard these sorts of exercises as very important for anyone who wants to learn astral travel.

Admittedly, I never got into any energy work until after several years when I'd been traveling OB every night. But maybe, like you I did things in reverse order. I've done lots of things in supposedly reverse order, and didn't know till afterwards.

[wolfgaze]

Posted by TraineeHuman (here)

I believe things like the "blindfold" exercise and the others Ray has been recommending are the same as, or equivalent to, examples of "energy work". For some reason most people seem to learn OB travel much better by doing hours and hours worth of such exercises. I suspect that may be because it's all kind of learning to flex your nonphysical "muscles". I know that both Jake and Robert Bruce evidently regard these sorts of exercises as very important for anyone who wants to learn astral travel.

Admittedly, I never got into any energy work until after several years when I'd been traveling OB every night. But maybe, like you I did things in reverse order. I've done lots of things in supposedly reverse order, and didn't know till afterwards.

Yeah the bolded appears to be the path/route I'm headed down.

My meditation visualization (inner vision) has been very monotonous (blue/indigo clouds & formless shapes) and unchanging for awhile now and the only variation I'm experiencing in my meditation practices at all is physiologically based - but so very subtle. I feel like I am experiencing a certain degree of vibrations that I often see described and associated with this process but thus far those vibrations have not led to anything further beyond that temporary sensation. The vibrations originate in my head region after I experience that roaring/revving sensation between my ears and then I guess my conscious focus can direct those vibrations to different regions of my body. Sometimes I tense up and feel like I'm trying to literally propell my body off the bed but it doesn't lead to anything and I wind up relaxing/releasing that tension soon thereafter. I am going to keep at it and see where it takes me.

One neat effect/sensation I'm finding when using the blindfold is that when I end my meditation session and remove the blindfold, I cannot immediately 'see' anything or make out any shapes in my environment as my vision is immersed in a faint white glow of light and it actually takes a good 5-10 seconds before my normal vision is slowly restored.

[TraineeHuman]

Posted by AwakeInADream (here)
I've found a great essay which tells you how to make contact with your Soul/HS.

It comes from the perspective of Quantum Physics and describes in detail what the Soul is and how you can merge with it.

Awakening your Soul or:
Becoming aware that you are a Spiritual Universe
BY FRED ALAN WOLF, PH.D.

http://www.fredalanwolf.com/myarticl...our%20soul.pdf

It takes you through three simple stages:

• Believe - That you have a Soul.
• Dialogue - Begin a wordless dialogue with your Soul.(similar to feeling the aliveness)
• Choose - A spiritual way of seeing the world.

Awake, I’ve read most of the first piece. I guess it would be very interesting to anyone who subscribes to science or rationalism, because it presents terms consistent with quantum physics and defines things like “Soul” entirely in those types of terms. (Some members, such as, I suspect, Deneon if he’s still around, might find this extremely interesting and helpful.)

One observation I’d like to throw in is that for the person in the street there’s usually no difference between mind and consciousness. Not only that, but I’ve observed it can often take decades of intensive spiritual practice before an individual can become clearly aware of consciousness as something separate from mind and beyond it.

So I guess material such as Wolf’s does point a person in the right direction, but at some stage it becomes necessary to totally dive into the “nothingness” of pure consciousness.

Members such as wolfgaze and MK777 and quite a few others – including yourself at times – are talking simply about their pure experiences. Direct experience comes partly out of consciousness, and partly bypasses the mind.

Since you found yourself drawn to Wolf's writings, no doubt they will be beneficial for you. But I'd like to suggest what experiences they lead you to are what's really important.

[Jake]

William Buhlman gave an interview to Coast to Coast years ago where I was able to call in a chat with him. We were discussing the small inconsistencies within a 4d 5d projection. Sometimes during a 'real time' projection there will be oddities in the environment that cannot easily be explained. For example,, there might be a chair and coffe table in your front room that (when viewed from the Astral) may be completely different,, and might take on the shape of an old Victorian table with a Wicker chair. Not what is really there, but close!! I have had many discussions with projectors as to what this is... Robert Bruce calls them 'reality fluctuations'. Back when I was discussing it with Buhlman,, he did not know what to call them, although he knew exactly what I was talking about.

Years later, I heard Buhlman in another interview, again on coast to coast, (this time with Noorey, instead of Art Bell) Where he would come to explaing the small inconsistancies as nuances of 'predicted reality' or 'created reality'. Meaning that once we are in the Astral,,, we have command over a very powerful tool of creation. He went on to explain that these reality fluctiations are NOT Jungian/archatypal imagery, but actual moments when we are creating, rather than just observing. The Astral is a very 'thought responsive' environment. (So is the physical, but most are not aware of it!!) Buhlman went on to detail an account of an OBE where he found himself on a cruise ship,, exploring and having a blast,,, noone could see him, and he was able to make out the name of the boat, on the side of the ship. He didn't think too much of it, wrote it down in his journal, and went about his day... within hours, he received tickets and an itenerary for a criuse trip that he was selected to 'win' although he had not signed up for anything of the sort. He took the cruise, had a blast, and yes,, it was the same name on the side of the boat.....

Now,,, there are many implications to this expereince. Most folks would simply disregard as a coincidence,,, some would say that it was a simple matter of spontaniously seeing a bit of the future,,,...

In my experience, (and Williams take on it too,,,) There is no such thing as predicting the future,,, we are CREATING it!!! Buhlman did NOT see a glimpse of the future,,, HE CREATED IT!!!

In some deep an sophisticated conversations with Robert Bruce,,, he too, began to tell me about how his 'different overview' is changing to accomodate a new understanding about manifestation and creation.

(That is 2 particularly advanced astral projectors that have stumbled upon the fact that we are creating our realities,,, and that physical reality is a 'thought responsive' environment too. It is a physical reality that we have wrapped around ourselves. And it bends to our will!!!!)

I keep in touch with many of the Monroe Institute Grads, and many of the folks from TMI agree, wholeheartedly with the creation and manifestaion of reality being where all of this OBE and HS stuff is is headed!!! To be perfectly honest,,, once you establish a connection with your higher self, the entire nature of the study changes. I have not chimed in too much with regards the HS enigma. It will be a different journey for all of us. I have spoken with ETs in the astral,,, I have found different versions of myself in the astral,,, I have been taught things in the astral,,, I have been to other planets and witnessed its catastrophic end, and enjoyed the ride home in an Astral Craft. I looked an Astral ET in the eyes once (after being told specifically that I should NOT!!!) and experienced a moment of bi-location that stretched my mind very far, very fast,,, (this ET was ME!!!). I have been taken out of my bed and beaten in the astral!!! I have been held down by astral denizens, while they vampired the energy right out of me!!! I have woken to 'astral doctors' performing small energetic procedures on me. I have followed 'distress signals', and helped 'lost' astral humans find a way to navigate their environments. I routinely freak out the cats in the neighborhood... I thwarted a robbery once, by freaking out the prowler!! I chased a flock of birds for hundreds of miles. I sometimes come accross vast fields of humans that are sleeping, or sleepwalking. I have chased UFOs in the astral!! (UFO's have chased ME)

My point is,, with all of the talk about Higher Self and spirituality, and the Enigma that superconsciousness brings,,,, we have to be sure to keep our eyes on the ball. Of course a personal connection with higher self is inevitable. But,,, baby steps for most people,,, One cannot readily grasp the reality of HS,,, if one is still heavily grounded in his or her bodies. Finding yourself out of your body, and experiencing the 'quickening' of the shift in reality that comes with being out of your body,,, will thrust anyone into a crash course with Higher Self... In my experience,,, there is no real need to SEEK higher self,,, it is inevitable,,,, Once you realized (not suspect,,, fully realize) that you are more than this 3d bi-pedal human body,,, the nature of MANY THINGS will change in your life, not just an understanding of Higher Self. (Higher Self in just the words we use to describe the mere glimpse we have of the bigger truth)

If you find yourself in 3d/4d/5d astral, exploring the environment and your ability to navigate such an environment,, then you are well on your way to understanding HS... Same as if you find yourself in much less dense astral environments,,, Your HS has fed you the experience,,, there really is no need to understand it,, just to accept it for what it is!! Throughout history, this experience has been profoundly misunderstood. Take head when you come to grand overall understanding of the nature of your experience,,, because you DO NOT!! It is an experience to WAKE YOU UP rather than an experience to guide you to absolute fulfillment.

Folks, we do not have all of the answers yet,,, but we are pushing through. Endeavor to find yourself out of your body,,, and the rest will follow. I do not have all of the answers, but I have MY piece of the puzzle!! It was explained to me once (astral r.o.t.e. (related organized thought energy)) that those of us who are embracing thier experiences with OBE and the Astral are creating a space of awareness for future humans, and that our work is priceless... even though we may have to wait to experience the fruit of what we are creating!!

Creation and manifestation of reality, is what it is all about. And we are doing fine,,, Keep up the good work everyone!!! We are winning!

Those of you who have yet to experience a fully consciouse OBE,,,, you have a great day ahead of you,,, do not doubt it!!! I look back at 'struggling jake' and I giggle... What an ignorant fool!!! If I had only known!!!

Jake.