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    Quote Posted by Cognitive Dissident (here)
    This is an interesting thread. MHO is that AMystic3434 is sincere and well-intentioned, but hasn't done as much research on 9/11 as the others who responded to the OP.

    My own perspective: for years I thought there must have been thermite bombs inside the twin towers (it is obvious that the planes could not have demolished the towers)
    you recall the film "Escape from New York"?
    It sort of shows a guy landing on the WTC ... and doing some stuff to it.... @@
    In fact it was kind of like the Anarchist's Cookbook, in retrospect... not that I read that

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    Quote Posted by donk (here)

    I wish truthers would focus as much energy on what was inside the third building ever to collapse into its own footprint from "fire" as they do the images we were given in the methods of bringing them down.
    DIng Ding Ding!.......

    I have informed over 50 people that three buildings where brought down that day in thier own foot print, most people still have no clue about building 7 little lone know who took up residence in it.. ( CIA FBI etc)..
    When living in a country with free thought, you'll find many do not feel the need to think.

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    The superb Dennis Leahy made this very astute and prescient observation some days ago on the “Explosions at Boston Marathon”: (Current Events board) thread Dennis Leahy's comment

    Quote Posted by Dennis Leahy
    "They" don't want people waking to this, or it could spoil their plans. Be very careful not to fuel the fire of this new meme (blending Boston Marathon conspiracy speculation with 9/11, and painting all with the same "crazy truthers" and "conspiracy nuts" brush), while you proceed diligently with research. I fear there are some deliberately planted "false false flags" that are bait to discredit researchers. Submit data points one-at-a-time, as you observe them, but be careful about making huge declarations and conclusions (until and unless you are truly ready.)
    Dennis, you’ve nailed this thread. My hat’s off to you, and many thanks.

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    AmerZo’s comments on that thread are also worth repeating here; they are highly relevant: AmerZo’s wise post

    Quote How a psyop is designed to work:

    In the Matrix, there is pressure to have people connect their realities to each other. Why? Because groups can thus be created. Groups are easier to compromise than individuals.

    We get the concept of hooked ideas. A hooked idea is one which will entice people to merge their realities into One. The hooked idea can be expressed as a slogan, a so-called meme, a principle. It is introduced by people who work psyops.

    A psyop is a campaign to herd people into a place where their individual realities overlap.


    For the propagandist, there is the eternal search for the good, better, and best hooking idea, the one that will collect the greatest possible number of people under one roof.

    This has nothing to do with true progress or honest intent. It has everything to do with control.

    Therefore, the actual content and substance and meaning of the hooking idea is irrelevant. A retired propaganda operative once told me, “If I could broadcast a piece of absolute gibberish from one end of the planet to the other, and have it picked up and consented to, I would do it.”

    For a psyop specialist, the jackpot is a large group of hooked ideas that, taken together, change the world, and bring a billion or more people’s realities into one overlapping space.

    Here is a current ongoing group of such hooked ideas. Before you read them, remember that the aim of such ideas is collecting people under AN IMITATION OF THE REAL THING.

    Whatever meaning these hooked ideas have, they are not searching out people to move them into actual individual choices. No, the objective is to rope them under a fake banner that looks real.

    “Help others. Help the needy. Raise up the needy. We’re all in this together. Greatest good. Greatest good for the greatest number. Humanity as one. Peace. Let’s all cooperate. The human family…”

    This is only a partial list of the group of hooked ideas.

    These ideas are transmitted to the global population through every means possible: ads, public service announcements, political speeches, movies, articles, books, the news, television shows of every type, the education system. It’s a blitz, and it doesn’t stop. All the angles are played.

    The psyop calculation runs this way: the majority of people who buy in and connect their realities to other people’s realities and achieve overlap—will go passive and accept “the new humane society.” All these people are complete pawns.

    The sector of people who buy in and thus share realities, collectively, and then DO something about it…these people will follow a prescribed path. They’ll join the approved groups and campaign for the chosen causes. They’re dupes.

    The very small fraction of people who buy into the group of hooked ideas and think of them as genuine and real, and also DO something genuine and real and good about it, will create a manageable amount of disruption to the scheme and the objective—which by the way is a completely collectivist planet. The operative word here is “manageable.”

    This same retired propaganda operative, who goes by the pseudonym of Ellis Medavoy (I interview him 28 times in one section of my collection, THE MATRIX REVEALED), explained this “psyop calculation”: “The target of a terrific psyop is yearning and longing. That’s what I looked for when I was working: what people long and yearn for. Something unformed and undefined but very powerful. That’s what I wanted to tap into.

    “If I could tap into that, people would buy in and surrender a significant part of whatever their personal world looks like. Because they want to believe they’re coming together with like-minded others. They’ll also believe the path laid out for them is correct and proper and wonderful. This is really a fake religion we’re talking about.

    “A fake religion. It’s really for children, and most people turn out to be children. Give them a group of high-minded ideas, and they’ll grab on and think everything they’ve done up to that moment is a prelude to THIS.

    “We [operatives] are playing a symphony, you see, and once they listen to the prelude, they’re hooked. They stay. They long for the climax, which doesn’t exist; not the way they imagine it. To them it’s all about ‘arrival in the promised land,’ as if that’s some kind of gift that’s wrapped up under the tree, waiting to be opened.

    “We give them a fake god, a dead-end god. If they were once burning with authentic faith, we derail that and take them to another place…”
    From the above, let's take the "authentic faith" as the "Truth" of the actual, factual reality of data and the "fake god" as the end result of making someone see -- or believe in the existence of -- something that isn't there, i.e. individual or mass hypnosis/mind control. Consider the "psyop"/propaganda/advertisement campaign battles for a share of the market for competing products like Pepsi and Coca Cola as an example of this.


    Now, for the picking apart in terms of psyop:
    Will my first "spidey sense tingling" turn out to be correct, or will this be yet one more event with more questions than answers.
    Worth repeating.

    Cheers,

    Selene

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    Quote Posted by donk (here)
    Wish we could get past the HOW? (That just divides us) and focus on the WHY? (Which should unite us)
    yea, the "Why"

    Some say there was tons of gold which was removed from the towers before the collapse, some say there were trillions come due on some bonds, or the expiration of the US bankruptcy, which would have lifted the state of emergency and restored the Republic, plus the Pentagon misplaced like 2 trillion dollars? And then the anthrax mailed a few days later? And the investigative evidence destroyed in tower 7?

    There's definitely more to the story than what meets the eye. While we debate planes, the elite are running off with all the loot!
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    The Next Voice You Hear Will Be Your OWN"
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    MMM, I would really like the original poster to show one amateur video that showed the planes hitting the WTC, the reason I say this is because I've never seen one. Every time I've looked they seem to "cut" to where the building is collapsing. There is one famous one out there that "cuts" from them standing, then there is a gap (where the building was meant to be hit) then it shows it collapsing. This was filmed by the people who where residing in the apartments opposite. Very weird as that was supposed to be filmed by amateurs with a video camera. I would also like to say that I find it highly strange that someone would question the notion that there might have been a jet airliner that hit the pentagon. One of the most highly "camerised" buildings on earth and not one bit of footage. I would say to people about the OP and the questions raised about 9/11. "IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK, QUACKS LIKE A DUCK , ITS A DUCK! TO OP, if you know that actors have been used in situations of false flagging in past, eg Bay of Pigs, why would you post in a manner as if it's all amazingly new to this world. As I say (and with respect) MMM!!!

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    Default Re: Have some conspiracy theorists gone too far.....

    BEWARE! Some random thoughts ahead!

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    When does a conspiracy theory stop being a conspiracy theory?

    Are there any percentages of proven fact that have to be fulfilled before it transforms to something else? If that is the case, who decide the percentages?

    When is proven fact proven?

    The conflict, as I see it, lies within. In our predetermined conceptions, expectations, core values and belief systems.

    When I was new to the idea of deception, I had some hard time to see any event as a conspiracy. Nowadays I struggle with myself to not see everything as a conspiracy. OH, the irony. Sometimes a cigar is a cigar.

    If I am predetermined that an event is a false flag, what will I probably see? I will look for evidence that strengthen my theory instead of looking at it objectively. Evidence that not follow my predestinated belief will I reject in a blind cloud of cognitive dissonance.

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    Some have suggested that we should not look at the minor details, the how, instead look at the greater picture, the why. I do not see them as contradictory, I see them as complementary. Different approach to reach the greater goal of “What will be the consequences and what will we do to stop this from happening again? To see the whole, you sometimes have to study the parts.

    In psychology they talk about two different information processing:

    Quote Psychologists often distinguish between top-down and bottom-up approaches to information-processing. In top-down approaches, knowledge or expectations are used to guide processing. Bottom-up approaches, however, are more like the structuralist approach, piecing together data until a bigger picture is arrived at.

    One of the strongest advocates of a bottom-up approach was J.J. Gibson (1904-1980), who articulated a theory of direct perception. This stated that the real world provided sufficient contextual information for our visual systems to directly perceive what was there, unmediated by the influence of higher cognitive processes.

    Gibson developed the notion of affordances, referring to those aspects of objects or environments that allow an individual to perform an action.

    Gibson's emphasis on the match between individual and environment led him to refer to his approach as ecological. Most psychologists now would argue that both bottom-up and top-down processes are involved in perception.
    Source

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    Boston Bombings

    When I first approached the event I immediately felt something was wrong. It was too easy for the alternative media to come up with pictures and evidence that this was a false flag. Almost like someone fed them faked evidence. Therefore my early statement “Maybe they target the alternative media as well”.

    Then I studied the evidence, they were pretty convincing. Jeeez, this is not real, this is staged. There are no real bombs or injured people.
    False Flag – Real Bombs 80-20

    Luckily I recalled the danger of the predetermined state of mind “Everything is a conspiracy”. Therefore I searched for other evidence that showed something else. They were pretty convincing. Jeeez, this is real, horrifying real. There were real bombs and lots of injured people.
    False Flag – Real Bombs 20-80

    Now I had what I needed on the table. Now I started to think. Why is it so many confusing contradictions in the evidence? Why hundreds of pictures showing the victims before and after, up close and distant, but not a single one showing when they placed the bombs?

    Because THAT is the real staging taking place. To keep us occupied in argumentation and proving our points of real bombs or not. Meanwhile they have time to hide the real evidence of the why, the who and what will be the outcome.
    False Flag and Real Bombs 90-90 (leaving some room for the uncertainty principle)



    Why this short replay of my steps to conclusions?

    I wanted to elaborate if I did go too far. I posted pictures in every step of my thought process, until I reached my conclusion. Shouldn’t I have done that? I was hoping that my fellow avalonians should prove me wrong and point out what I had missed… and they did! That is the strength of this community; I believe that we together will come closer to truth than alone. IF we are ready to kill our darlings.

    In retrospect, maybe I should have waited with pictures. In a way I helped the agenda of create confusion by provide evidence for both sides. BUT, I didn’t know that in the beginning.

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    So, have conspiracy theorist gone too far?

    In my opinion, that statement is focusing on the symptoms not the cause
    It is the CABAL that gone too far, without them doing all crazy stuff, we wouldn’t be here… and that is actually a scary thought:

    We are in a way dependent on false flag, deception and craziness that the cabal creates.... and so are the cabal...

    THAT, in my opinion, is a much more important question to discuss!
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    In case there are still doubts that there were no planes...

    I have met this person who saw one of the planes - His name is Scott Forbes.
    He mentions it in this video. He is an important witness when it comes to the explosives that may have been planted in the building. I say "may". I believe so but I could be wrong.

    I took his photo when i met him...

    He was accompanied by William Rodriguez who is a bit of a hero of mine... I've seen him speak out for 9/11 truth 3 times in London.
    Took this photo of William and his key which he used to save many lives.


    I went to a few talks and meetings with the London 9/11 truth group. And one evening, there were a couple of men who insisted that there were no planes. I am the shy quiet type but I openly disagreed and the next thing I know, I'm being accused of being a government agent. I didn't take the accusation seriously but it one of the factors which put me off from going to such meetings.

    So yes, sometimes conspiracy theories go too far.

    What about David Icke telling us that the Queen of England and Prince Charles being shape shifting aliens?
    I totally believe in aliens visiting us, but the Queen of England?? Maybe that should be for another thread? goodnight from London zzzzzzzz

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    Quote Posted by Flowerpunkchip (here)
    What about David Icke telling us that the Queen of England and Prince Charles being shape shifting aliens?
    I totally believe in aliens visiting us, but the Queen of England??
    If you actually follow the totality of what he says about shape-shifting, he's talking about a kind of 'resonant field' between the perceiver and the perceived where one is seen to shape-shift. We normally make a strong distinction between the material nature of things and their metaphysical nature. (For example, you can easily make a distinction between someone's physical appearance and how you experience their personality).

    However, that distinction can become blurred - e.g. when we hallucinate. I remember having fevers as a kid where I just could not settle on a reality. Everything ran into everything else - inanimate objects had personalities and animate ones were like ghosts. I absolutely sh*t myself. I never hallucinated as an adult, but I can easily identify with this "shapeshifting" metaphore as a resonant field between the perceiver and the perceived.

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    John Lear speaks of the planes being hologram technology... He had several test pilots with lots of years flying use a simulator and try and hit the towers and none of them could hit the buildings flying that type of airplane, and it cannot do the speed they say it was supposed to do , it would fall apart... Usually the news plays the same thing over and over and over, when there is a big story, we say the 911 planes Once... then follow up videos appear to be edited, all the worlds a stage , and we are merely players, everything is manipulated, the entire planet is under some form of mind control ...No one speaks of the cars on the bridge that were melted yet paper didn't burn ... the wtc memorial site is set up just like Mecca, everyone walks in one direction around a square, there is more to this than you think... anytime they tried to re-build in the wtc site the buildings would just collapse, whatever they did it is an ongoing effect of atoms and matter disassociation ...How could a plane dissappear into a building completely ??? sheet metal withstanding steel beams ??? if it's not a conspiracy then why so many witnesses dead ??? why the remains of the wtc off limits and shipped off to china for melting down ??? The day before 911 , rumsfield admits the pentegon misplaced 2.3 trillion dollars, and the place where the records are kept was the exact spot the missle oops I mean the plane hit ... but it's not a conspiracy... saudi men flew planes into buildings and we invade Iraq ??? Osama bin laden was a Saudi, yet we look in the mountains of Afganistan ??? We find him hiding in Pakistan ??? wait those guys were Saudi's , why haven't we invaded Saudi Arabia ??? but it's not a conspiracy , it just happened to be all tied around the lost 2.3 trillion and oil, wait the Bushes are oil men right ??? isn't that neat ??? Bush goes out of office and the price of gas goes down ??? isn't that neat ??? two Irag wars with two Bushes in charge ??? isn't that neat ??? but it's not a conspiracy , it just a movie and they are all actors, and we the audience , are we entertained yet ??? back to the ball games, and american Idol ... back to watching millionaires play games against each other like it matters in the grand scheme of things, or millionaires pretending in movies with other millionaires backed by billioinaires doing what they don't want us to do like , cheat, use firearms to shoot each other, steal money and blow things up , hmmmm sounds like mind control to me ... isn't that neat ??? YES IT'S A CONSPIRACY ... 3.000 people killed, just like bengazi, people killed , JFK killed, they kill and we look the other way , things will only change when WE change it ... asking questions is the only way to start, and never believe what the ptb or the media tell you , they are lying and manipulating the truth of earth matters at every level ... we are told what to buy, what to wear, how to think, what to drive, 5 minutes of programming, with 18 minutes of advertising products we don't need and cannot afford, yet millions watch every night, television programming ...tell lie vision programming ...
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    Quote Some have suggested that we should not look at the minor details, the how, instead look at the greater picture, the why. I do not see them as contradictory, I see them as complementary. Different approach to reach the greater goal of “What will be the consequences and what will we do to stop this from happening again? To see the whole, you sometimes have to study the parts.
    I do not see them contradictory either, if you understand the "details" I'm talking about are pieces of information provided by _____. The media? Some dude with a blog? A supposed eye witness?

    In other words: you didn't directly experience the people laying on the road, neither was the guy your discussing this with, so the detail is NOT legless definitely identified victim, it is a picture of him provided by someone for some reason.

    And I think the rest of the post I didn't pluck agrees with that, right?

    I just think its impossible to ever KNOW anything for sure, and you can never the 100% context of any of it, so as I've said before, the details may be as or even more important than the results, but in this day and age when we should have solid information on all aspects of all details, we are seemingly provide insufficient data to properly experience the "details"...though we do fully experience the impact, the implications, and possibly he purpose no matter what. It's our definite reality, the pieces not so much.

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    "These are the people that give the good conspiracy theorists a bad name"

    This is the point... need to do something to take the focus off the sandy hook shooting which WAS paid actors ect....

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    Default Re: Have some conspiracy theorists gone too far.....

    Quote Posted by donk (here)
    Quote Some have suggested that we should not look at the minor details, the how, instead look at the greater picture, the why. I do not see them as contradictory, I see them as complementary. Different approach to reach the greater goal of “What will be the consequences and what will we do to stop this from happening again? To see the whole, you sometimes have to study the parts.
    I do not see them contradictory either, if you understand the "details" I'm talking about are pieces of information provided by _____. The media? Some dude with a blog? A supposed eye witness?

    In other words: you didn't directly experience the people laying on the road, neither was the guy your discussing this with, so the detail is NOT legless definitely identified victim, it is a picture of him provided by someone for some reason.

    And I think the rest of the post I didn't pluck agrees with that, right?

    I just think its impossible to ever KNOW anything for sure, and you can never the 100% context of any of it, so as I've said before, the details may be as or even more important than the results, but in this day and age when we should have solid information on all aspects of all details, we are seemingly provide insufficient data to properly experience the "details"...though we do fully experience the impact, the implications, and possibly he purpose no matter what. It's our definite reality, the pieces not so much.
    Hi there my friend. My statement wasn't directed towards you or your post. Nevertheless, thank you for clarifying this. I see now that I happened to use same wordings HOW and WHY, sorry for the confusion... or I am not sorry! I'm a PsyOp agent, so the confusion is actually good

    On a serious note, in the different threads concerning Boston Bombings I noticed some people wished to focus on THE WHY immediately (top-down model). Absolutely nothing wrong with that. I just wanted to show that in general there are different approaches to every given subject or event. Some prefer top-down, others bottom-up, and yet other a mix of the two.

    So I guess we are at the same page here!

    By the way. I regard every piece of information as important, even obsolete information, lack of information and information not given/handed. Every chapter tells its own story, and together they create a book. Hopefully we will able to discern the plot.

    EDIT:
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    To keep us occupied in argumentation and proving our points of real bombs or not.
    I think this thread shows the above pretty clear! Why not agree that 9/11 was probably staged? It seems to me that you all agreeing on that. In my opinion though, you should continue that debate in the proper thread.... if you still feel the need, that is!
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    how can you say that 2 airplanes didnt hit the WTC. It was witnesses by hundreds of people. The media didnt insert the plane that hit the south tower an airplane really hit it. As far as the pentagon goes. Im not sure if an airplane really hit the pentagon, even though they say that im still not convinced. So you saying there were faked injuries at the Boston bombing. That is BS why would they even need fake injuries when they have a real bomb going off. That would mean that the medical team was in on it. You dont see any medical personal coming forward saying that some of the injuries were fake.

    All im saying is that be careful what you watch on you tube and believe. Its like when in the movie the Matrix when Neo asks if you die in the matrix do you die in real life and Morphius says yes the mind makes it real. Well that is what happens....The mind makes it real.
    I am not sure if you are a government contractor or just a naive human.
    I strongly recommend you to check victims' background and search for hypovolemic shock after a laceration of limps.
    None of the victims lost enough blood comparing with their injuries, and emergency respond from aid workers was not resonate with situation.
    Also check smoke/ panic bombs
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    I'm in complete agreement with you, incider...both are very essential, depending on the case maybe sometimes one more than the other. I was leaning toward my preference in these cases when the "how" seems so distorted to the point of distraction that perhaps it's wise to let go of some of the "how" details that just turn in to an unresolvable argument.

    Of at least take a step back and examine your emotional attachment to your particular perspective on it. And by "you", I am most certainly not directing that at you...I'm pretty sure we are on the same wavelength...I mean the endless arguers--I mean, does it matter if they were holograms? Tupac doing concerts proves it COULD have been. Pretty much everyone here doesn't believe it was 19 clowns with boxcutters and Osama in some cave by now, right? Jeez look at me, I'm guilty of letting 911 jack the thread too!!!

    Anyway, back on topic: I understand it would be disturbing if someone was insensitively pushing a "blame the victim" story where no one is hurt, I'm not sure that happens often here, and is more often a misunderstood interpretation of someone expressing an extremely radical idea that doesn't appeal to the reader. The receiving & reaction to an idea is just as important as the transmission. So yes, in the minds of the receiver, people can go to far. Mostly, information (even false or misunderstood) is "nuetral" in itself--how (& why!) it's used determines "too far".

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    AMystic3434,


    If you (be-lie-eve) that an aluminum airplane can go through steel and reinforced concrete, then you my friend should be careful what you watch, read and listen to. As someone whom has spent much time in the towers, this is not possible.

    The airplane wings should have been the first to crack off with the weight of the engines and free fall to the street below. However, this did not occur.

    AMystic3434, don't you realize that the official version of 9/11 "IS" a "Conspiracy Theory"???

    19 Cave dwellers with no commercial jetliner flight experience highjack 4 commercial jetliners with "box cutters"!!!???

    What does that say about the american "males" on these planes??? Where they were afraid of being cut or injured by box cutters in defense of there very lives.

    How does one break into a cock pit with a mere box cutter???

    Why would the pilots risk everyones lives including their own over box cutter injuries when they could have easily forced a landing???

    oh yeah, they did find one of the alleged hijackers passports on the street in tact without even the slightest scratch. Therefor it must be true.
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    The airplane wings should have been the first to crack off with the weight of the engines and free fall to the street below.
    Thank you

    You know, I was really fooled by this 911 physics stuff. I had to do some demolition on my house, my friend had borrowed my sawz-all, and so I invented this machine that shoots sheets of Reynolds wrap at 560 mph, but it wouldn't even put a scratch in my 2X4's !! What went wrong??

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    Judy Wood. Where did the towers go. Once you realize what happened. Then you can start talking about how. The two planes are irrelevant. The data Judy presents is enough to prove it was not conventional tech. https://youtube.com/watch?v=T1NbBxDGSkI I really dont understand why everybody on this site doesnt just present her information anytime 9-11 discussion comes up. How doesnt matter until you understand what happened. If you try to discuss how before you know what happened, then you are wasting time on uninformed speculation.

    Really it makes me sad that this place hasnt come to a consensus on her data and started to talk about how from the foundation she lays of what. IF you are still talking about heat death of the building, You have not been paying attention. IF you think thermite, you havent been paying attention. If you are discussing planes, you have not been paying attention. If you are not talking about people like Jerome Hauer, Jon O Neil, Jay Jonas, Kroll Associates, then you have not been paying attention.

    Clearly something is fishy about boston, My brother says that uniformed, both army fatigue and regular, police presence on campus has drastically expanded. Also, the Economist article says that we are going to Charge the bomber, WHO WAS SHOT IN THE THROAT AND CAN NOT SPEAK MUCH EVEN and I would like to know when exactly occurred me thinks it was after they found him in the boat otherwise he probably would have bled out(but this is speculation), with using a weapon of mass destruction. When did a improvised bombed like the pressure cooker become a weapon of mass destruction? Does this mean we can try CIA operators for dropping advanced weapons of mass destruction(missiles) all over the world?
    Were the Boston bombers a fake? Doesnt matter. Were real people hurt. Doesnt Matter. What matters is watching the reactions of the government and the media. THis will tell you what is going and why. Clearly this was a test for martial law without strong arming people. My brother and most of Boston stayed indoors on request of the police. Think about that for a second. They now have heavily armed people on MIT campus. IN ARMY FATIGUEs. Militarization of the police should scare the **** out of you. Boston was a test run for something. That something should make you nervous because they are getting quite good at reacting in real time and staying ahead of the wave(not only that but molding the wave to conform with how they say things are going down). What laws were passed why the US focused on this btw?

    Im still puzzled by whose move this was. Never get into the rut of thinking that the people that run this planet are a homogenous group that work always together. I think it is more like different gangster groups that sometimes work together because they share common aims, but want to rule over the other eventually.

    random aside in mind: Jesus sat at the table and said to his disciples that one of them would betray him. Now everbody assumes that this is Judas because he pointed out Jesus to the guards to be crossed. However, betrayal requires countering of intent. Judas didnt betray Jesus' intent. He merely played his part of the story which ends on the cross. So who betrayed jesus?

    Finally. The catholics say "E nominae patri e fili e spiritu sancti" or something close to that which means in the name of the FATHER the son and the holy spirit(where father clearly is god). Now ask yourself "What are you supposed to call catholic priests?" This dawned on me the other day: The catholic church has been hiding Gnostic truth right in front of everyones face.

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    Judy Wood. Where did the towers go. Once you realize what happened. Then you can start talking about how. The two planes are irrelevant. The data Judy presents is enough to prove it was not conventional tech. https://youtube.com/watch?v=T1NbBxDGSkI I really dont understand why everybody on this site doesnt just present her information anytime 9-11 discussion comes up. How doesnt matter until you understand what happened. If you try to discuss how before you know what happened, then you are wasting time on uninformed speculation.
    ...
    What matters is watching the reactions of the government and the media. THis will tell you what is going and why. Clearly this was a test for martial law without strong arming people. My brother and most of Boston stayed indoors on request of the police. Think about that for a second. They now have heavily armed people on MIT campus. IN ARMY FATIGUEs. Militarization of the police should scare the **** out of you.
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