The Higher Self and transcendent experience, including OBEs

[TraineeHuman]

Just to clarify regarding the video in the previous post, the man in the video, Gay Hendricks, talks about getting in touch with the genius of your HS/Source through following your bliss. However, the path I believe Marina and I are both following is to bring bliss into the everyday and the commonplace. Then every activity becomes "your bliss" -- or,at least, you transform it into that. I would argue that if you look at the biographies of some great creative geniuses then (as far as I've done so) you'll find they were following this path. If they hadn't achieved genius as, say, a composer, they could pretty much equally well have achieved it as an architect, or a biochemist, or whatever.

[TraineeHuman]

Posted by Jake (here)
The heart center will often feel like it is beating 4 times as fast while emotions are intensified.! etc... All of this is one reason why I stress the need for energy work within individual practices,,, because the energy centers are quite real!! The establishment of energetic flow can cause an energy center 'blockage' to release!! My heart center released spontaneously during an energy work session,,, It felt (physically) like I had somehow cut off the circulation, then it suddenly came back.. I felt the release, like you would feel blood flow!! That was great and all,,, but there were other side effects. I couldn't stop crying for days!!! Everything was sooo beautiful and fulfilling. My heart center was alive again!!

Many of the energy body practices will have spiritual side effects. This is a very pragmatic experience,, yet it is also very profound.

Interesting about the heart center getting suddenly activated, or otherwise jolted. One common occurrence during psychic healing, whether of one person or a whole group, and whether I’m doing the healing or someone else who can do it at a professional level, is this. The person experiences a big thump that feels like brief high voltage from their physical heart, often followed by very fast palpitations. This seems to happen particularly to anyone being healed who is themselves a natural healer, or potentially one. I would say this happens because psychic healing as I know it involves a wholistic healing of the entire physical and etheric body, while the physical heart – and hence the heart chakra – holds large amounts of energy, even though it’s not as strong as the whole human energy field acting as one field. So the jolt would happen because of the difference in voltage between the two fields, if the heart center is trying to hold out on its own – which it seems is often the case.

Often it seems to the person like they must be having some sort of heart attack – even though there’s none of the pain or breathlessness that comes with a heart attack. I’ve never known or heard of anyone to be physically harmed by this, In fact, I suspect it may partly heal, and therefore lessen, the chances of the individual’s having a heart attack in the future.

Traditionally, any guru or spiritual teacher would consciously "radiate" healing energy out onto their audience when addressing a group. I've found that receiving such energy is a little like recharging a battery. If you don't plug the battery in somewhere, that extra energy will be of no use. Similarly, you have to use the extra energy for inspiration or strength to make changes in your behavior etc, or else it will be nothing more than a nice experience. Somehow I acquired the ability to, for example, absorb all the healing energy a healer is putting out to a group that no-one else is taking or intending to take, so that hardly a drop gets wasted. I guess that would be something you could learn from being experienced at energy work of some kind.

[soleil]

Posted by TraineeHuman (here)

Posted by Jake (here)
The heart center will often feel like it is beating 4 times as fast while emotions are intensified.! etc... All of this is one reason why I stress the need for energy work within individual practices,,, because the energy centers are quite real!! The establishment of energetic flow can cause an energy center 'blockage' to release!! My heart center released spontaneously during an energy work session,,, It felt (physically) like I had somehow cut off the circulation, then it suddenly came back.. I felt the release, like you would feel blood flow!! That was great and all,,, but there were other side effects. I couldn't stop crying for days!!! Everything was sooo beautiful and fulfilling. My heart center was alive again!!

Many of the energy body practices will have spiritual side effects. This is a very pragmatic experience,, yet it is also very profound.

Interesting about the heart center getting suddenly activated, or otherwise jolted. One common occurrence during psychic healing, whether of one person or a whole group, and whether I’m doing the healing or someone else who can do it at a professional level, is this. The person experiences a big thump that feels like brief high voltage from their physical heart, often followed by very fast palpitations. This seems to happen particularly to anyone being healed who is themselves a natural healer, or potentially one. I would say this happens because psychic healing as I know it involves a wholistic healing of the entire physical and etheric body, while the physical heart – and hence the heart chakra – holds large amounts of energy, even though it’s not as strong as the whole human energy field acting as one field. So the jolt would happen because of the difference in voltage between the two fields, if the heart center is trying to hold out on its own – which it seems is often the case.

Often it seems to the person like they must be having some sort of heart attack – even though there’s none of the pain or breathlessness that comes with a heart attack. I’ve never known or heard of anyone to be physically harmed by this, In fact, I suspect it may partly heal, and therefore lessen, the chances of the individual’s having a heart attack in the future.

Traditionally, any guru or spiritual teacher would consciously "radiate" healing energy out onto their audience when addressing a group. I've found that receiving such energy is a little like recharging a battery. If you don't plug the battery in somewhere, that extra energy will be of no use. Similarly, you have to use the extra energy for inspiration or strength to make changes in your behavior etc, or else it will be nothing more than a nice experience. Somehow I acquired the ability to, for example, absorb all the healing energy a healer is putting out to a group that no-one else is taking or intending to take, so that hardly a drop gets wasted. I guess that would be something you could learn from being experienced at energy work of some kind.

2 things...one, i can make my chakras pulse. i can REALLY make my 4th chakra pulse, and my 6th pulse as well, quite strongly. the other chakras pulse if i want them to, but are quite less noticeable. is there more to this? i wonder, because you mentioned healing, and robert bruce mentions healing with heart chakra pulsing. AND (not sure if you find this truly relevant to a person) but i had a palm reading (by a professional, and then by myself) and there are true lines of healing, and deep investment in metaphysics/occult.

two, i have been (or at least i think i can) able to test/feel the energy, in the boardroom here at work for example. usually because we're in there weekly, i take it as a chance for me to stare at people and practice seeing aura's and also seeing if i can sense energy of people near me. i've truly learned by experimenting, that i need to shield myself strongly while at work. AND that usually there is little to no energy out in the boardroom full of ~20-25 people. and usually, its my energy that seems to slowly be getting siphoned, and i feel drained.
and sometimes there is some energy hanging around in the boardrooms that can be absorbed, and i sure its available to the grabbing first.
the shielding has helped though at work. i believe i've potentially stopped my cubicle neighbour from draining me. shes a negative person in general and i really dont even talk to her. i think my HS helps me if i forget to shield myself from the energy of others.

one more thing i wanted to add, i've been practicing with a pendulum. just asking things i may be indifferent about so that i do not influence....anyways, i printed a detailed pendulum chart, and right away it said my biggest health problem is i'm being seriously "sapped".

[TraineeHuman]

Posted by teradactyl (here)
2 things...one, i can make my chakras pulse. i can REALLY make my 4th chakra pulse, and my 6th pulse as well, quite strongly. the other chakras pulse if i want them to, but are quite less noticeable. is there more to this? i wonder, because you mentioned healing, and robert bruce mentions healing with heart chakra pulsing. ...

one more thing i wanted to add, i've been practicing with a pendulum. just asking things i may be indifferent about so that i do not influence....anyways, i printed a detailed pendulum chart, and right away it said my biggest health problem is i'm being seriously "sapped".

I’m sorry, teradactyl, but the only type of healing I know anything much about is wholistic healing of a kind that doesn’t put any attention at all on individual chakras. The types of energy work I’m familiar with also exclude any work on individual chakras. Generally speaking, I largely don’t approve of working with any individual chakra in any way. I consider it a trap for young players. (So, I consider a lot of the techniques taught by systems such as Reiki to generally mess with the natural psychic healing ability everyone possesses to some degree. That's not to deny that Reiki seems to attract the nicest people.) Admittedly, the material in Drunvalo’s video referred to in post #471 is certainly valid, but that’s the only exception I’d be willing to concede.

There are well-researched reasons why I disapprove, and I’ve discussed the topic in detail with some of the most accurate and experienced professional clairvoyants I have known, and they were of the same opinion, though some weren’t but some full-time psychics or healers have maybe twenty or thirty healing angels working with them who, I’ve noticed, seem to fix any harmful things such a practitioner may do because he/she is ignorant that particular thing is harmful.

I also once did an expensive weekly course for a few months that included becoming aware of the energy in individual chakras in others and in my own etheric body. I eventually had to drop out of that class because it kept making my psychic skills go backwards, i.e. to become smaller and less effective. That confirmed my skepticism about working with any individual chakras even further, except in somewhat rare and special circumstances.

Unfortunately I’m not proficient at dowsing with a pendulum, so I’m in no position to advise you about that. However, the only people who use pendulums to dowse whose dowsings I have confidence in are psychically accurate anyway, without a pendulum. Just because your pendulum points to a certain area on a chart, how do you know for sure you're not subconsciously making it point there?

[soleil]

i do appreciate you clarifying. i am not interested in spending time with individual chakra's at all, i just merely wanted to know if there was more to it. i want to clarify that i do not make my chakras pulse for "healing" or anything really. its more so just as an "ah, i see, i can make it do that" kind. (i have since halted my research into reiki, since i previous mentioned it so i do not ask the above questions from a reiki standpoint), merely just to express an 'along the way to where we're going' observations on/for myself.

i suppose my question was not clear....either way i will digress for now.

[TraineeHuman]

Posted by MK777 (here)
What does it mean when one hovers near the ceiling in a dream, or has a bird's eye view of the dream unfolding without seeing or sensing their own physicality?

The bird's eye view suggests part of your consciousness --or your HS's consciousness -- is in a higher dimension than the dream itself. Sometimes in an OB state a ceiling represents the border between two dimensions.

[Jake]

I have to report this mornings OBE to this group! It fits right in with what is being discussed in this thread. I have had sort of a dry spell lately,, (bout 3 weeks). I begin to get sort of 'estranged' if I do not 'get out' often.

I woke up at about 4:30am to see my wife off to work and then right back down for a short snooze, before I get up and check on mee chickens!! I gave a quick thought to the tune of, 'I'd sure like to go out of body right now!',, nothing too intense. I thought about doing some energy work/stimulation/EB loosening type of stuff, but was too lazy, and just went back to sleep. It had not been but a few minutes,, (It is best to try OBE just after a sleep, either a short nap or a full sleep,,, the energy bod is aglow, and you fall into trance much easier!!) I found myself instantly in a lucid style dream. 'Wow, that was quick,, but not quite good enough!!' I was lucid in a dream, but not out of body quite yet. I instantly started puting my hand through a wall,, (ALWAYS triggers an awakening into an active energy body state, good enough for projection.) I am now laying there reeling with a very strong full body 'HUMMMM', not quite a full vibration, just a constant powerful Hummmmming. Of course I was paralyzed and my physical senses did not seem to be 'engaged'... Perfect time for an exit!!!

This is where I learned the big lesson for the morning...

Different times, I will try a different style of 'exit' technique. The one that has been most successful for me is to simply move vvveeerrryyyy slowly, as if pretending to move in slow motion,, I can avoid a 'magnetic' pull back to my body most times. This time, however, this approach did not work... Every time that I tried to move, it felt as if my whole entire energetic make-up was being exhausted. I would collapse back into my body, each time that I tried. I would have to stay silent and still, so as not to lose the trance state, and 'fire up' the energetic conditions again,, (stimulated pulsing to my crown area,,). Each time I would make an attempt, the same thing would happen. 'Okay,, what am i doing wrong?' (I was in a perfectly lucid trance state.) I figured I would try y #2 most succesful 'exit' technique, PHAZING... Phazing is different from the traditional exit, in that you do not actually 'exit' at all! Instead you simply focus your intent and 'reach out' with your feelings, and you are instantly relocated to a the intended astral locale!!! I have done it many times on accident,,, but I have always had troubles doing it willfully... Anyways... I relaxed and sort of 'shifted' the 'balance' of consciousness, while holding the intended place in my my mind,,, and simply watched as the scenery changed around me. I felt instantly free. The astral 'air' outside my house was warm and electric and alive,,, every single nuance of my being seemed to be bursting with sensation,,, everything is alive!!! Every motion or thought would bring an energeti/static blissfull sort of feeling all throughout mee body... I looked at my hands,, the seemed white and smokey! Movement was easy and seemless and my sight was perfect. I said to myself outloud,, 'Wow, I am completely free and lucid..., I wonder how much time that I have.?' As I looked around, I noticed that the property where I live was almost the same, but my house and barn and shop and garden and all of my trees were gone,,, I turned and flew over, expecting to see the freeway,, but nooooope!!! I turned and looked at the mountain,,, it was the same. I did not get too dismayed, (all forms of energy carry memory,,, that is my experince,,,) I do not worry about time slips during OBEs,,, I do not want to augment the experience because of my confusion over time in the astral. I assumed I was experiencing a 'memory' from the natural surroundings,,, (I could very well be wrong...) I said outloud to myself,,, 'This if amazing,, i know i don't have much time.' (usually about a minute to a minute and a half in 4d rojection.) I looked up at the moon,,, there were two of them, of course. (There always is,,, dunno why) I was having so much fun, I did not want it to end,,, but I knew that If i did not keep it short, then I stood the chance of loosing the memory during the 'phaze-back'. I just hovered there grinning while the astral environment faded around me and i phazed back into my waking state, laying there in bed, with my senses reeling. Sensations faded, and I got up slowly, and reached for mee journal.......

The implication here being the concept of the EXIT. Being in our bodies at all,, is just a point of view,, a perspective,,,, we are not actually IN our bodies at any time,,, counsciousness works in a way that we can choose a physical perspective,,, but actual CONTAINMENT in the body is a flawed concept. Therefore the EXIT from the body is also a flawed concept, and has been creating snags and confusion when trying to project into the astral.

PHAZING!!!!! Instantly changing perspectives from the physical to the non-physical without the need for a physical EXIT.

It was like shifting a balance of consciousness,,, kinda hard to explain. It is like if you held a water balloon in both hands, and squeezed it,, one hand then the other, feeling the water shift from side to side,,,, the 'shifting' was like how it felt to phaze instead of exit

I WISH I COULD DESCRIBE HOW ALIVE AND FREE IT IS TO BE OUT OF THE PHYSICAL SHACKLES!! KEEP TRYING!!!!!! KEEP TRYING!!!! KEEP TRYING!!!!!! KEEP TRYING!!!! KEEP TRYING!!!!!! KEEP TRYING!!!! KEEP TRYING!!!!!! KEEP TRYING!!!! KEEP TRYING!!!!!! KEEP TRYING!!!! KEEP TRYING!!!!!! KEEP TRYING!!!! KEEP TRYING!!!!!! KEEP TRYING!!!! KEEP TRYING!!!!!! KEEP TRYING!!!! KEEP TRYING!!!!!! KEEP TRYING!!!! KEEP TRYING!!!!!! KEEP TRYING!!!! KEEP TRYING!!!!!! KEEP TRYING!!!! KEEP TRYING!!!!!! KEEP TRYING!!!! KEEP TRYING!!!!!! KEEP TRYING!!!! KEEP TRYING!!!!!! KEEP TRYING!!!! KEEP TRYING!!!!!! KEEP TRYING!!!! KEEP TRYING!!!!!! KEEP TRYING!!!! KEEP TRYING!!!!!! KEEP TRYING!!!! KEEP TRYING!!!!!! KEEP TRYING!!!!

Love to all.... Jake.

[TraineeHuman]

Posted by AwakeInADream (here)
I had some of those astral inconsistencies this afternoon, and it's these that make me believe that my experiences are more lucid dream's than an OBE's, although I still think that they are a bit of both.

Last time I thought I was really out and had a complete separation, but only afterwards I realized I had gone back in time 20 years to an old bedroom I'd had, only it was blended with my current bedroom.

You might like to consider Jake’s last post, regarding what he calls “phazing”. “Phazing” is the same thing as what I have been using the term “bi-location” to refer to. In Jake’s post he concurs with the claim I have already made several times, that bi-location can involve no less full and detailed and vivid an experience of a higher dimension, even though at the same time one can remain directly aware of what’s going on in one’s physical body – or, bi-location can involve experiences in two OB dimensions at once.

I open my eyes and I'm in my Mothers room, in the house where I was born. I had the same body I have now, but I'm laying on the bed in that room. I stand up and walk around looking at the furniture and I notice again that some of it is blended with the furniture I have now in my own bedroom. Then I come out of this back into the physical and look around my real room (I did this throughout, in between each vision, like I was in and out of consciousness, but very aware). I thought about how cool it was and closed my eyes in the hope that I would go back there, and immediately I did. Next thing my Mother appeared there, which seemed rather strange to me since it was afternoon and I knew she wouldn't be asleep at the time (so how could she be in the astral). I held a little conversation with her before the vision (or whatever it was) ended, she was surprised to see me and said "Next time leave me a note to say you are here", that way she wouldn't be so shocked to find me wandering about.

The thing is, at no time did I feel myself enter sleep. I kept checking by opening my eyes, and every time I closed them again I was somewhere else. Some things were real and others were not, and then with the added element of time travel, and wondering how can my Mother be in the physical and the astral at the same time, this really gets me confused.

I wonder is the higher part of our consciousness always doing stuff in the astral even when our 'ordinary' selves are busy in the physical world?

"The astral" usually means 4D and maybe 5D, as far as I'm aware. The HS -- like the g.a.s -- stays primarily in formless dimensions. But yes, you could say the HS is living a separate life -- until you pierce the veil fully, at which point you'll be fully in synch with it (apart from the parts of it that are beyond time), or, rather, it will be most of you.

[TraineeHuman]

Posted by AwakeInADream (here)
I often get the feeling that I am two separate persons, one here and one there, living two different lives (but not in the HS sense), and occasionally these two worlds meet causing confusion (especially if 'I' have taken 'His' place in 'His' world). I wonder what would happen if 'He' took 'My' place in this world?

I'm not talking Higher Self here, I'm just aware that I contain separate personalities in the dream state (Not in the physical world thankfully). I'm aware that the HS is me, as well as all the other personalities, but it's just easier to think of them as separate. Especially when they all seem to think and act so differently. The way I see it, is that every 10 years or so, you could say that the self at that time is a completely different person, but they all continue to co-exist within you (and many more besides). The child, The Teenager, The Adult are all vastly different, and yet, all the same being. Add past lives to that list and you've got a whole lot more.

What do we do with all our identities and sub-personalities? Get rid of them, that’s what! Cut free from them, if you can. And if you can’t, then keep totally facing them until eventually they go pop! and dissolve. They limit us too much. The HS won’t tolerate wearing them, except where practically necessary.

The only exceptions are:
- the “reformed” ego, which we still need to do its job (the only job it was meant to do) of being our “diary” and constantly watching out for our safety and security.
- the “inner child”, which we need to keep us in touch with whatever we’re feeling and with our instincts, apart from the “sensings” or intuitions that come from the HS.

Ray might have an interesting reply to this huge question too, perhaps.

That makes me want to ask:

Does the Higher Self aspect of our selves contain all of the knowledge of our past lives?

And if so would a unification with the HS give the personality on Earth all of this knowledge too?

While we have a physical body, it takes a huge amount of attention from the HS to keep it running -- to keep the heart beating and digesting working, and a hundred other things. Yes, the HS has knowledge of what happened in past lifetimes, but it may be too busy to concern itself with the details. In between lives in the physical world it would typically be much more concerned with those details. However, before we were born in our present life our HS and we worked hard and long to design certain features of our current life in advance, to make it a kind of summary of everything that had happened in our most relevant previous lifetimes.

[TraineeHuman]

Why would the HS be primarily accessible only through stillness, through inner emptiness? Does anyone have any experience-based insights they’d like to offer?

[Freed Fox]

It has seemed to me that it is a function of the distorted ego, social/cultural programming... really all that which contributes to the internal mental 'chatter' that we must silence in meditation, which acts as a veil or barrier between us and our higher selves.

Though I'm still very much a student rather than a master of any sort, so I could be entirely wrong (or otherwise over-simplifying here). I've expressed doubts about my connection to higher self before, but having read the further elaborations on the subject, there may be some communication there after all. Far from being fully descended, I might attribute some of the inner peace I have been experiencing (and thus the corresponding lack of turmoil) to the working establishment of that connection.

[Ron Mauer Sr]

Posted by TraineeHuman (here)
Why would the HS be primarily accessible only through stillness, through inner emptiness? Does anyone have any experience-based insights they’d like to offer?

In the late 70's I went through a divorce and was trying to find an answer to all the associated trauma and pain. This led me to a psychic in Virginia Beach which was the beginning of my interest into metaphysical subjects. Past life readings, and personal growth were most of the topics covered. I could not get enough information. Sold my house, quit my job and moved to Virginia Beach where there was so much metaphysical activity then, including Edgar Cayce's A.R.E. Predictions of a young lady I was yet to meet, and predictions of a high paying job really got my attention. Just what this 35 year old wanted. I learned a lot with many readings and visits to A.R.E, but after 6 months the money was about to run out. I decided I was better off back in Charlottesville, the city I had left. My old job was offered to me. As I was packing the truck to move the phone rang with an invitation for a job interview in Virginia Beach. My response was that I had made a commitment to my previous employer. I wondered if I had made the right decision.

Thoughts of failure ran through my mind, thoughts of how foolish I had been, to pay attention to psychic predictions. As I continued to load the truck, I heard the big booming voice for the first time. The one simple word was "NO". I thought the big booming voice was telling me "No, do not move. Call back and accept the job interview." I said back to the voice "You may not need a job but I do." The voice did not reply. It was not until years later I realized the big booming voice meant "NO, you are not a failure."

I suspect that big booming voice was my Higher Self, or possibly a spirit guide. When that event occurred, my mind was anything but quiet.

Years later I realized that my intuition had lead me to travel different paths, various dead ends, not because the paths led to TRUTH, but because there was something I needed to learn by traveling those paths.

[Reinhard]

Posted by Jake (here)


PHAZING!!!!! Instantly changing perspectives from the physical to the non-physical without the need for a physical EXIT.

It was like shifting a balance of consciousness,,, kinda hard to explain. It is like if you held a water balloon in both hands, and squeezed it,, one hand then the other, feeling the water shift from side to side,,,, the 'shifting' was like how it felt to phaze instead of exit

I WISH I COULD DESCRIBE HOW ALIVE AND FREE IT IS TO BE OUT OF THE PHYSICAL SHACKLES!! KEEP TRYING!!!!!! KEEP TRYING!!!! KEEP TRYING!!!!!! KEEP TRYING!!!! KEEP TRYING!!!!!! KEEP TRYING!!!! KEEP TRYING!!!!!! KEEP TRYING!!!! KEEP TRYING!!!!!! KEEP TRYING!!!! KEEP TRYING!!!!!! KEEP TRYING!!!! KEEP TRYING!!!!!! KEEP TRYING!!!! KEEP TRYING!!!!!! KEEP TRYING!!!! KEEP TRYING!!!!!! KEEP TRYING!!!! KEEP TRYING!!!!!! KEEP TRYING!!!! KEEP TRYING!!!!!! KEEP TRYING!!!! KEEP TRYING!!!!!! KEEP TRYING!!!! KEEP TRYING!!!!!! KEEP TRYING!!!! KEEP TRYING!!!!!! KEEP TRYING!!!! KEEP TRYING!!!!!! KEEP TRYING!!!! KEEP TRYING!!!!!! KEEP TRYING!!!! KEEP TRYING!!!!!! KEEP TRYING!!!! KEEP TRYING!!!!!! KEEP TRYING!!!!

Love to all.... Jake.

Thanks for the encouragement, Jake.
Love to you ....Reinhard

[Chester]

Posted by TraineeHuman (here)
Why would the HS be primarily accessible only through stillness, through inner emptiness? Does anyone have any experience-based insights they’d like to offer?

My view is that the HS is actually the "unmanifest" and that the best we can do to understand this is to understand "no vibration" which then might be called "stillness."

Elaborating only my opinion further - this BIG HS (the One and Only) but since it is outside of form, we can only suggest it... point to it, but cannot make anyone "see it" as that is up to each person to see "it."

Furthermore it is my sense that the urge to experience emanates from this "unmanifest" and that's what created the individual sparks of thrust into form (each of us).

Thus this is how I see the progression...

the unmanifest - the One - THE HS

the urge to experience then creates each of "us" at our individual HS level of being.

the various experiential vehicles and realms through which one or more individual HSs explore - all these realms, paradigms, etc. equally valid.

And lastly there is THE HS's urge for it all to never end which is the glue that binds us... that thing we call "love."

Boredom from being the ineffable, undefinable "All that Is" is what initiated the experiential realms and "love" ensures it is an eternal experience that never ends.

We (metaphorically "children of this creative urge") get to do what the "All that Is" cannot.

Experience playing hide and seek with love.

[TraineeHuman]

Justoneman, that sounds to me like an eloquent description of Source, but not of the HS -- though no doubt Source is pretty close to being the same thing as "the Big HS" that unites all HSs together and is in them all in a veiled form.

I guess your insight kind of hints at the point that ultimately the self and the HS are illusions, yet we are quite real, even though the personality that many people believe is who they are is only a passing illusion.

[OOO]

Posted by TraineeHuman (here)
Why would the HS be primarily accessible only through stillness, through inner emptiness? Does anyone have any experience-based insights they’d like to offer?

Ok here is my experience. Stillness is needed because there
are so many of us talking inside, such as childhood programming
past lives, life experiences all fight to be heard. I guess
you can term them all into ego. Until you shut up the voices
and emotions the subtle and in my case ever so quiet voice
cannot be heard. Though it has screamed out a few times
and scared me that i ashamedly admit i swore back to it.

I admit its fun and hard at the same time to allow duality
and the ego experience to dominate. I am afraid of
of that utter silence and the unknown nothingness.
I came here to play and as much as I desire to remember
who I am and let my HS take the reins I will milk
this learning process as long as I can.

So as the engima song goes 'silence must be heard'....eventually
None are exempt.

Thank you TH you really made me dig inside.
Blessings.

[TraineeHuman]

Posted by rmauersr (here)

Posted by TraineeHuman (here)
Why would the HS be primarily accessible only through stillness, through inner emptiness? Does anyone have any experience-based insights they’d like to offer?

In the late 70's I went through a divorce and was trying to find an answer to all the associated trauma and pain. This led me to a psychic in Virginia Beach which was the beginning of my interest into metaphysical subjects. Past life readings, and personal growth were most of the topics covered. I could not get enough information. Sold my house, quit my job and moved to Virginia Beach where there was so much metaphysical activity then, including Edgar Cayce's A.R.E. Predictions of a young lady I was yet to meet, and predictions of a high paying job really got my attention. Just what this 35 year old wanted. I learned a lot with many readings and visits to A.R.E, but after 6 months the money was about to run out. I decided I was better off back in Charlottesville, the city I had left. My old job was offered to me. As I was packing the truck to move the phone rang with an invitation for a job interview in Virginia Beach. My response was that I had made a commitment to my previous employer. I wondered if I had made the right decision.

Thoughts of failure ran through my mind, thoughts of how foolish I had been, to pay attention to psychic predictions. As I continued to load the truck, I heard the big booming voice for the first time. The one simple word was "NO". I thought the big booming voice was telling me "No, do not move. Call back and accept the job interview." I said back to the voice "You may not need a job but I do." The voice did not reply. It was not until years later I realized the big booming voice meant "NO, you are not a failure."

I suspect that big booming voice was my Higher Self, or possibly a spirit guide. When that event occurred, my mind was anything but quiet.

Years later I realized that my intuition had lead me to travel different paths, various dead ends, not because the paths led to TRUTH, but because there was something I needed to learn by traveling those paths.

I'd like to suggest that because your mind [and consciousness] was "anything but quiet" at that point, there was too much "static" for you to clearly hear what the HS or a g.a. wanted you to. By contrast, your post #730 suggests that now you are much better able to access or "hear" or be the HS.

[TraineeHuman]

Posted by OOO (here)
Ok here is my experience. Stillness is needed because there
are so many of us talking inside, such as childhood programming
past lives, life experiences all fight to be heard. I guess
you can term them all into ego. Until you shut up the voices
and emotions the subtle and in my case ever so quiet voice
cannot be heard. Though it has screamed out a few times
and scared me that i ashamedly admit i swore back to it.

I admit its fun and hard at the same time to allow duality
and the ego experience to dominate. I am afraid of
of that utter silence and the unknown nothingness.
I came here to play and as much as I desire to remember
who I am and let my HS take the reins I will milk
this learning process as long as I can.

Well, I'd say that's looking at the negative things that can get in the way. It looks like many members already have some significant contact with their HS. So I can now I guess one way I believe we could describe the HS is that it has all the positive virtues -- joy, peace, love, emotional maturity, courage, genuineness, patience, kindness, and various others. And that it's more like not "shutting up" the negative voices so much as letting the light and the beauty of the positive virtues shine more strongly than them. But why is emptiness and stillness a necessary tool for breaking through into this?

I'm not saying we need to become emptiness, but just be able to bear it.

Does anyone else have any insights or experiences to share regarding this?

[Finefeather]

Posted by TraineeHuman (here)
Why would the HS be primarily accessible only through stillness, through inner emptiness? Does anyone have any experience-based insights they’d like to offer?

This reminds me of when I was still a full time 'Dad', back in those days...in the midst of the screaming and shouting and boisterousness of the children playing together in the yard...you could not get one word through to these little self occupied balls of joy.
Then after the evening bath...all squeaky clean...and tucked into bed...all quiet and eager to listen...I thought...came the time to communicate with this little Soul...who seemed to listen...I thought...but soon I noticed I was just talking to the wall...and she was playing with her friends in another world
Take care
Ray

[soleil]

Posted by TraineeHuman (here)
Well, I'd say that's looking at the negative things that can get in the way. It looks like many members already have some significant contact with their HS. So I can now I guess one way I believe we could describe the HS is that it has all the positive virtues -- joy, peace, love, emotional maturity, courage, genuineness, patience, kindness, and various others. And that it's more like not "shutting up" the negative voices so much as letting the light and the beauty of the positive virtues shine more strongly than them.

But why is emptiness and stillness a necessary tool for breaking through into this?

I'm not saying we need to become emptiness, but just be able to bear it.

Does anyone else have any insights or experiences to share regarding this?

i suppose an inner silence is a prelude to the inner knowing. inner knowing allows a person to truly know what insights/experiences are HS or not. what i find that happens to me now, is inner reminders. my HS silences my ego. it reminds my ego (in a way similar to my daughter to her stuffed toys) thats "its OK, its OK, im here." so that there is a release of the ego, and a training of the ego. the HS then now adjusts my POV to peace/balance. i typically am reminded that worries hold no place here, perpetuating negative emotions holds no place here...etc.