Going into light after death... or not?

[Finefeather]

Posted by dpwishy (here)

Posted by Finefeather (here)
It seems pointless to me to attempt any explanation of this process in view of the fact that we are all in different states of awareness. I was giving you my opinion based on 40 years of OB rescue work I have been involved in. This work involves both the living and the 'dead' and I have helped people who have died literally minutes after the event. In all variants of this experience I have had, I have seen and being in the presence of the higher self of the person involved and in all cases this takes the form of a most beautiful white light which draws the person to a place of knowing and comfort.

Agreed, some even higher than yours.
But whos to say whos where and who knows what?
Seems like a giant generalization to me.
I could spit out my credentials also,
but I have no desire to seem any more credible.

This trap system goes all the way up to the top my friend,
there are evolved beings that are VERY highly evolved in this system,
that still do not see it for what it truly is.
They are lost in the illusion just as much as lower beings.
Just because there are layers, doesn't mean it isn't a trap.

I know the light you talk of but I argue it is not the same as the light construct that appears after death. This can be by passed and should. This is what gives us amnesia of our experiences. If a God truly wanted us to grow and learn from our experiences, why would they give us such an amazingly short period in a body in which its almost nearly impossible to ever free yourself or learn what we need to in one life to move on. Then, even if we get 98% of the way there in a life, when we die we forget everything. You really think this is the creation of the Source of Love? How loving....

Hi dpwishy
Try not to fall off your horse as you race to all your assumptions...I was not giving you credentials...I was giving you perspective...and my opinion based on it.
I have heard your argument and view many times in life, as well as here on this forum, and you will continue with your thinking until you see another side of the story...if you do...in this life...I accept that...such is the nature of consciousness...but when we cease to seek out truth...that is when stagnation causes the ego to invent it's own reality based on it's own assumptions.
You also make the biggest error when you assume that...and I quote you... "there are evolved beings that are VERY highly evolved in this system, that still do not see it for what it truly is."...did they tell you this?...and if not...how would you know what a highly advanced Being knows? I would suggest to you that the illusion lies within yourself and certainly not with them. Your entire post is in my opinion an assumption based on your own lack of knowledge and first hand experience...together with all the many stories you have read by those who have the same point of view as you do...at this point in your life...does that make it right?
Take care
Ray

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[dpwishy]

Posted by Finefeather (here)

Posted by dpwishy (here)

Posted by Finefeather (here)
It seems pointless to me to attempt any explanation of this process in view of the fact that we are all in different states of awareness. I was giving you my opinion based on 40 years of OB rescue work I have been involved in. This work involves both the living and the 'dead' and I have helped people who have died literally minutes after the event. In all variants of this experience I have had, I have seen and being in the presence of the higher self of the person involved and in all cases this takes the form of a most beautiful white light which draws the person to a place of knowing and comfort.

Agreed, some even higher than yours.
But whos to say whos where and who knows what?
Seems like a giant generalization to me.
I could spit out my credentials also,
but I have no desire to seem any more credible.

This trap system goes all the way up to the top my friend,
there are evolved beings that are VERY highly evolved in this system,
that still do not see it for what it truly is.
They are lost in the illusion just as much as lower beings.
Just because there are layers, doesn't mean it isn't a trap.

I know the light you talk of but I argue it is not the same as the light construct that appears after death. This can be by passed and should. This is what gives us amnesia of our experiences. If a God truly wanted us to grow and learn from our experiences, why would they give us such an amazingly short period in a body in which its almost nearly impossible to ever free yourself or learn what we need to in one life to move on. Then, even if we get 98% of the way there in a life, when we die we forget everything. You really think this is the creation of the Source of Love? How loving....

I would suggest to you that the illusion lies within yourself and certainly not with them. Your entire post is in my opinion an assumption based on your own lack of knowledge and first hand experience...together with all the many stories you have read by those who have the same point of view as you do...at this point in your life...does that make it right?
Take care
Ray

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And I make the assumptions?


Blessing and light

[Joe Akulis]

Starting to wonder about the original intent of this post. Was it mainly just to lay down a warning to everyone? Because the way it was worded made me think that it was a legitimate search for truth. Perhaps those of us trying to provide some insights are all making a bad assumption then.

[Demeisen]

Thank you everyone for the replies. It's been lot's of different point of views already here.
My original post was made entirely for research purposes. I apologize if it seemed otherwise. This is the question that I have been wondering myself quite a while now. I've been feeling I'm stuck with my own assumptions and I wanted to broaden my perspective. I hope this discussion serves the same purpose for others too.

I have some further inquiries concerning the afterlife. What do you think that would happen if person dies with severe disease? Like mental illness or cancer etc.? I have read somewhere (many sources) that diseases start in energy body and then materialize into physical body. So when physical body dies, does the original disease remain and do we need some external healing & mending?

[Camilo]

I resonate to the information that says we are here to find out (remember) who we are = spirit/god, and once we achieve this, the universe presents other possibilities for us to explore. But it helps to at least try and have some fun in the process.

[Borden]

There is an irony for me in people giving advice based not on their own experience but on the writings and teachings of others.

Perhaps the 'light' is an insectocutor. Zap! 'You failed the credulity test required to warrant further incarnation ... back to the ocean of unconsciousness for those who failed to honour evolution and progression!'

Lore, tradition, teaching and doctrine are irrelevant to your own, personal experience of a universe in which only you will ever have the experience of being you. Whatever you do when you die, do you really want it to be based on what someone else told you to do?

[observer]

Posted by dpwishy (here)

[....snip]

I know the light you talk of but I argue it is not the same as the light construct that appears after death. This can be by passed and should. This is what gives us amnesia of our experiences. If a God truly wanted us to grow and learn from our experiences, why would they give us such an amazingly short period in a body in which its almost nearly impossible to ever free yourself or learn what we need to in one life to move on. Then, even if we get 98% of the way there in a life, when we die we forget everything. You really think this is the creation of the Source of Love? How loving....

Allow me to interject a brief historic observation into this debate.

Two thousand years after the death of the one alleged to be called Jesus, in 1945, there was unearthed at Nag Hammadi, Egypt a library of fifty some Gospels and other assorted text. This library was written around the turn of the Common Era. This Library was unmolested, buried in the desert for nearly two thousand years.

These Text tell a completely different story than the book known as the New Testament. They tell of a man who was crucified by the Roman Empire. They describe a man who was not someone claiming to be the Son of God, rather someone telling Humanity that we are all a Part of God. His name was Yeshua ben Joseph.

According to these Nag Hammadi Text, Yahweh (Jehovah) is the representation of the Dark Force. Yeshua ben Joseph spoke of Jehovah being a trap, that there were Archons who were part of this trap, and most important, how to avoid this trap.

Now, two thousand years later we find-out the whole Holy Bible Mythology is one big lie, cleverly concealed in a book with a whole lot of Truth.

This little view of our history is a textbook example of how the Mass of Humanity has been lied to since the Dawn of Man.

Now....

I personally believe the white light IS part of the trap. There is entirely too much evidence to draw one to this conclusion.

If it were my choice, I would search for the GOLDEN LIGHT. Gold is the color of LOVE.

Research Reference:

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/na...i/contents.htm

[lookbeyond]

Posted by observer (here)

Posted by dpwishy (here)

[....snip]

I know the light you talk of but I argue it is not the same as the light construct that appears after death. This can be by passed and should. This is what gives us amnesia of our experiences. If a God truly wanted us to grow and learn from our experiences, why would they give us such an amazingly short period in a body in which its almost nearly impossible to ever free yourself or learn what we need to in one life to move on. Then, even if we get 98% of the way there in a life, when we die we forget everything. You really think this is the creation of the Source of Love? How loving....

Allow me to interject a brief historic observation into this debate.

Two thousand years after the death of the one alleged to be called Jesus, in 1945, there was unearthed at Nag Hammadi, Egypt a library of fifty some Gospels and other assorted text. This library was written around the turn of the Common Era. This Library was unmolested, buried in the desert for nearly two thousand years.

These Text tell a completely different story than the book known as the New Testament. They tell of a man who was crucified by the Roman Empire. They describe a man who was not someone claiming to be the Son of God, rather someone telling Humanity that we are all a Part of God. His name was Yeshua ben Joseph.

According to these Nag Hammadi Text, Yahweh (Jehovah) is the representation of the Dark Force. Yeshua ben Joseph spoke of Jehovah being a trap, that there were Archons who were part of this trap, and most important, how to avoid this trap.

Now, two thousand years later we find-out the whole Holy Bible Mythology is one big lie, cleverly concealed in a book with a whole lot of Truth.

This little view of our history is a textbook example of how the Mass of Humanity has been lied to since the Dawn of Man.

Now....

I personally believe the white light IS part of the trap. There is entirely too much evidence to draw one to this conclusion.

If it were my choice, I would search for the GOLDEN LIGHT. Gold is the color of LOVE.

Research Reference:

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/na...i/contents.htm

Hi Observer, in re to those who have had NDE and come back in awe and reverence of this experience, are you able to explain(for arguements sake) how their blissful feelings can be as a result of supposed deceit, i am going to spend some time on the Nag Hammadi library,but it would be good to keep this thread going if possible,

Thanks lookbeyond

[Craig]

It was the idea of UFO's that got me going on whatever meandering path I am currently staggering including coming to Avalon but it took the unexpected passing of my father 10 years ago this Friday to now realise this is where my interest lies, but the more I read about it, the less I know and the less I can recall later, it is like I am crossing this memory wiping veil again. I wish I could read more without forgetting, or getting headaches and loss of focus, all ideas seem to have their own merit but I can't recall why a few hours later, but the one thing that does burn my bridges so to speak is this memory wipe upon birth - I have trouble seeing the point, if there were lessons to be learnt\relearnt should the world be improving over time? Why do I sense an underlying level of evil that seems to be insurmountable? Why does society chase the material continually over the spiritual without waking up? I am caught in the cogs of life so i can keep myself and family surviving but what am i learning?

anyway, thanks guys for allowing this vent\rant

[Demeisen]

Posted by Borden (here)
Lore, tradition, teaching and doctrine are irrelevant to your own, personal experience of a universe in which only you will ever have the experience of being you. Whatever you do when you die, do you really want it to be based on what someone else told you to do?

I think everything we do, say or experience represents our own belief systems in a way or another.
I definitely don't want to do anything based on what I have been told to do. But rather what I feel right to do. That's the best I can do.

[Maunagarjana]

Posted by dpwishy (here)
The light is what strips you of your memories and experiences and tosses you back into the cycle of reincarnation. Enlightenment is knowing not to go into the light.Your life should be a preparation for death. You should be preparing and practicing for that one moment, that way at the moment of death you can keep your awareness and not drift off into a "sleep". This is why meditation and astral projection is so important! They are preparations to be able to keep your consciousness at the moment of death.If you can stay conscious here, the first thing you should ask for without hesitation is to ask to experience your "true self". Program yourself so that this is the first thought and only thought that goes through your mind. Don't be distracted by the realization of death, by the astonishment, beauty and so forth. Your only desire and demand should be to experience the true self.

I'll have to remember that.....ask to experience my true self. I would not have thought to do that. And see, that's how we're at somewhat of a disadvantage. We don't know the rules of this "game" that we're in, and so we have to figure it out, partly by trial and error, partly by listening to those seekers who came before us (scrutinizing, of course, for ways that what has come down to us could be further deceptions), and partly by dumbly stumbling ourselves onto things that happen to work.

You are fragmented over many realities, countless. You interact with them to some capacity wen you sleep, this should be familiar to you at some level. You should be able to have a free connection to these other parts of you. You are jailed off locked into this reality made to believe this is what you truly are. Some how we did this to ourselves. We were tricked in a sense to try a new experience not knowing that the experience would keep us trapped here over and over.

This is one of the things I wonder about. Were we *really* tricked? Or is this more of a reflection of how we feel here being in the position we are in. What I wonder about is, if before we came into this cyclic existence, we were beings who knew who we were, who had abilities far beyond what we could conceive now, so how could we possibly be tricked? This level of reality (so to speak) is a realm of illusion, where very little is what it seems and deception runs rampant, but outside of this realm, I have have to wonder if there is any such thing as deception. Many people speak of their extraordinary spiritual experiences where they have memories where things are known to them as soon as they even formulate a question to ask. So, how could we be tricked? Maybe we knew *exactly* what we were getting into. Which, in a way, is an even more disturbing thought. It is said that there is a thin line between bravery and stupidity, right?

Maybe before we came here, we were the spiritual daredevils of the higher realms, and this time we just got a wee bit more than we bargained for. And maybe we suspected that would happen, but didn't care. Just a thought. But perhaps because we can't see the whole picture, it looks much more harrowing than it is, and perhaps this idea of being "tricked" is a reflection of a victim mentality generated belief that could in some ways be a hindrance, but could in some ways be advantageous - even if it were not entirely true! Think of it as maybe an improving myth. Personally, I tend towards the view that we were not tricked, but that's just what I choose to believe.

You are put in a place where its nearly IMPOSSIBLE to learn what you need to learn within a single life to get "out".

It's funny, when I read this, I immediately thought of a video game I've been playing where I have to question if the level I'm on is actually winnable. I think everyone who plays video games knows that feeling. Like, "WTF, are the designers of this game just trolling us???" But then you do it enough times and "get in the zone" and against all odds, manage to - just by a hair - complete the level or mission. Whew! Wasn't so bad. So, I suppose it could be a matter of perspective, especially when considering that we are eternal divine beings who have eternity to play around in and get stuck in places like Earth, for better or worse.

When you die, everything you have learned is scrubbed clean. Does this sound like a system that is designed for your progression and evolution?

I suppose this is where the video game analogy becomes a bit strained, because at least with a video game you can get the hang of it and retain what you learn from one attempt to the next. However, there are many people who say there *are* ways to know your past lives. From past life regression, to even OBE's, and many other ways. I just read a part of a William Buhlman book where he asked during an OBE to be shown his past life, and he was shown his previous life as a Nazi tank commander. So it's all (arguably) still there, not erased at all, and we just have to know the tricks to be able to access it.

But here is the kicker in my opinion. A secret I don't tell many. This is just a video game. Say that to yourself and remember, "This is just a video game". The population will wake up to that realization soon enough.

I think this could be more or less true, that we (as individual incarnations) are like virtual reality characters in a way that have been deployed into this world for learning purposes, and it's only when we return to wherever the hell we were deployed from that we really see that isn't really who we are, but is really just a thimbleful of our greater being. And oh, the plight of the little virtual reality character who doesn't know it is one. It might begin to feel that there was some type of malicious plot to cause it to be kept in the dark and suffer so terribly, and maybe it would generate a whole belief system based around this feeling.

And in doing so, they will realize that they have the power to play what ever game they choose collectively. They were always choosing which game to play from the very beginning, they were just manipulated in their choosing. They were choosing to pick unconsciously, thus were heavily influenced by outside forces. This is were the technological singularity comes in, technology will advance to a point until we realize that we are that technology and them BAM! I believe our education system, religion systems, political systems, authoritative systems, music, clothing, media, movies, radio, invisible frequencies and so forth are all being used to form our mind to make certain choices on auto pilot. It is this that keeps us playing this game unconsciously. Soon enough people will realize that this is a video game, the only rule until the technological singularity being you have to forget you are playing to play. And in doing so, we will choose consciously what to play together.

I share your distrust of the transhumanist techno-fetishism and see it as a dead end. Perhaps one that could be recovered from once entered, but not without great effort. And who knows, it could be possible that such past existential tangents in other forms are what has resulted in us being here in the state we are in. And maybe those higher beings out there (assuming they are out there - or care) are looking at down at us wondering if we are going to fall into every single pitfall possible along our path.

I'd like to add one more thing. About ten years ago I was taken from my body and I had an experience with the creator source. I saw the whole shape of the realities and dimensions, they looked like dna spirals that made up this weird X that rotated around its middle axis. It had this spin to it. I was sucked into a very tiny section of this. When I broke through to its dimension, the membrane was orange from the outside and only blinding white light after I broke through. I heard a voice telling me that I was not alone and that it loved me. I asked who it was and it said it was "God". I couldn't see anything only hear it and knew its presence was there. An amazing presence, that was undeniable. The light was so blinding and warm. I told it i did not believe in God and it told me it could "touch me", it could prove it. Without time to process what it said something went through my soul that just knew this was the creator. The most pure love I have ever felt. It honestly hurt to feel it, I felt it only for a second and it was gone. If I felt it for any longer it would have destroyed me, it was so powerful. I have been in love with girls, I love my parents, my family. But I realized at that moment I have never felt true love before. It changed my life forever and was the kick start I needed for my remembering. I came back to my body crying for an hour repeating "I'm sorry I didn't believe you".

Thanks for that, that's fascinating story. And I do know the feeling. I have felt what I thought to be the presence of "God" before, though it was on magic mushrooms, so it's easy for people to diminish my experience as some sort of hallucination. But in that experience I felt the most incredible boundless love I have ever felt, possibly to this day. Unconditional love, despite all of the ways I felt I fell short of deserving such love, which goes beyond what even another human being could show. It does leave an impression on you.

The reason I share this is because I broke through an orange membrane and came into the blinding light. I did not follow and go into the light. Those are two different things all together! That is important to realize.

One thought I have had is that there is the natural reincarnational cycle that is part of a natural system of soul improvement, and then there could be an artificial overlay that has sort of tampered with that cycle and made it a....shall we say, a *vicious* cycle. It could be some form of transdimensional technology that, once activated, is very difficult to disable. And perhaps this is actually allowed by the source creator because, while it seems like unspeakably foul play, could possibly end up exponentially increasing our souls evolution beyond what is usual. But what I do wonder is whether or not this state of affairs has an expiration date. I know, we can't really count on that, but supposing, as some sources have said (the Law of One books come to mind) that there is a predetermined end to the cycle, regardless of how the reincarnational cycle has been hacked or hijacked. Or perhaps that is just more "cosmic disinformation". I suppose only time will tell on that account.

[heyokah]

Posted by lookbeyond (here)

Posted by observer (here)

Posted by dpwishy (here)

[....snip]

I know the light you talk of but I argue it is not the same as the light construct that appears after death. This can be by passed and should. This is what gives us amnesia of our experiences. If a God truly wanted us to grow and learn from our experiences, why would they give us such an amazingly short period in a body in which its almost nearly impossible to ever free yourself or learn what we need to in one life to move on. Then, even if we get 98% of the way there in a life, when we die we forget everything. You really think this is the creation of the Source of Love? How loving....

Allow me to interject a brief historic observation into this debate.

Two thousand years after the death of the one alleged to be called Jesus, in 1945, there was unearthed at Nag Hammadi, Egypt a library of fifty some Gospels and other assorted text. This library was written around the turn of the Common Era. This Library was unmolested, buried in the desert for nearly two thousand years.

These Text tell a completely different story than the book known as the New Testament. They tell of a man who was crucified by the Roman Empire. They describe a man who was not someone claiming to be the Son of God, rather someone telling Humanity that we are all a Part of God. His name was Yeshua ben Joseph.

According to these Nag Hammadi Text, Yahweh (Jehovah) is the representation of the Dark Force. Yeshua ben Joseph spoke of Jehovah being a trap, that there were Archons who were part of this trap, and most important, how to avoid this trap.

Now, two thousand years later we find-out the whole Holy Bible Mythology is one big lie, cleverly concealed in a book with a whole lot of Truth.

This little view of our history is a textbook example of how the Mass of Humanity has been lied to since the Dawn of Man.

Now....

I personally believe the white light IS part of the trap. There is entirely too much evidence to draw one to this conclusion.

If it were my choice, I would search for the GOLDEN LIGHT. Gold is the color of LOVE.

Research Reference:

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/na...i/contents.htm

Hi Observer, in re to those who have had NDE and come back in awe and reverence of this experience, are you able to explain(for arguements sake) how their blissful feelings can be as a result of supposed deceit, i am going to spend some time on the Nag Hammadi library,but it would be good to keep this thread going if possible,

Thanks lookbeyond

Hi look beyond,
An interesting question.

In 1971 ( 24 and mother of a one-year-old daughter) I was in a coma for 3 weeks. I saw 'Hell', as an observer, experienced a peaceful stay in a cave, with a view of a sunny sky from the entrance and a stay with 'Light Beings', with whom I communicated telepathically.
In those last two places I felt free and peaceful, nothing more or less.
I 'was told to go back', because "there was still a lot to do for me in this earthly existence".

Was this a NDE? Specialists told me it were images of my brain, as I had been suffering from an inflammation of my brain caused by virus.
I was confused, it 'changed my life' and my 'Search' began....
I can still see the whole 'picture' before me and it has stayed with me my whole life without changing. (I'm 66 now).

There was no feeling of bliss, just silence and peace of mind, as in meditation. And yes, I would have liked to stay there and felt very ashamed to admit that when I was "back", because I had a happy marriage and a lovely little daughter....

I can go back to that 'cave' whenever I want, often by using Drunvalo Melchizedek's "Living in the Heart" method.

I'm posting hereby a quote from a site about near-death experiences.

There are several theories to explain how coming close to death can give rise to near-death experiences. Lack of oxygen is often implicated, although many near-death experiences occur when people are not deprived of oxygen, as in falls from mountains, during suicide attempts by jumping from heights, or after accidents. In such situations, however, the production and actions of various hormones and neurotransmitters may be affected. There are theories based on stimulation of receptors in nerve cell membranes called NMDA receptors, on the effects of the neurotransmitter serotonin, and on the level of endorphins (the brain's own morphine-like chemicals). Endorphins are known to produce positive emotions and reduction of pain, and may be responsible for the blissful feelings in the midst of pain and fear. Disruption of the brain's neurotransmitters can produce random or excessive firing of neurons and this, depending on where it occurs, may produce the other experiences. For example, electrical stimulation of the temporal lobe of the cerebral hemispheres can produce life reviews and sensations of floating or flying, while random firing in the parts of the visual cortex (which also occurs with drugs such as LSD) causes the perception of lights, tunnels, and spirals.

Read more: http://www.answers.com/topic/near-de...#ixzz2TLdhj6ub

This was just MY experience and it doesn't prove or explain anything

[greybeard]

This might be helpful.

Proof Of Heaven: A Neurosurgeon's Journey Into The Afterlife with Dr. Eben Alexander III

"Proof Of Heaven is Dr. Eben Alexander III's #1 New York Times Bestselling book about his near-death experience. A Harvard and Duke associated academic neurosurgeon, Dr. Eben Alexander's brain was suddenly attacked by a rare illness. In fact, it was the part of the brain that essentially makes us human, thereby making his near-death experience much more compelling to scientists and skeptics because his brain was incapable of imagination or hallucination. For seven days he lay in a coma while journeying into the afterlife. Guided by a spiritual being yet having no memory of his physical (human) existence, Eben learned about life after death, our purpose for being here, the power of prayer, insights about why evil is allowed to exist in our world, and so much more. I'm honored to share this in-depth interview with one of the most likable and eloquent scientists of our time." ~ Bob Olson, Afterlife TV http://www.afterlifetv.com

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=QOSb3G53HsA

[observer]

Posted by observer (here)

Posted by dpwishy (here)

[....snip]

I know the light you talk of but I argue it is not the same as the light construct that appears after death. This can be by passed and should. This is what gives us amnesia of our experiences. If a God truly wanted us to grow and learn from our experiences, why would they give us such an amazingly short period in a body in which its almost nearly impossible to ever free yourself or learn what we need to in one life to move on. Then, even if we get 98% of the way there in a life, when we die we forget everything. You really think this is the creation of the Source of Love? How loving....

Allow me to interject a brief historic observation into this debate.

Two thousand years after the death of the one alleged to be called Jesus, in 1945, there was unearthed at Nag Hammadi, Egypt a library of fifty some Gospels and other assorted text. This library was written around the turn of the Common Era. This Library was unmolested, buried in the desert for nearly two thousand years.

These Text tell a completely different story than the book known as the New Testament. They tell of a man who was crucified by the Roman Empire. They describe a man who was not someone claiming to be the Son of God, rather someone telling Humanity that we are all a Part of God. His name was Yeshua ben Joseph.

According to these Nag Hammadi Text, Yahweh (Jehovah) is the representation of the Dark Force. Yeshua ben Joseph spoke of Jehovah being a trap, that there were Archons who were part of this trap, and most important, how to avoid this trap.

Now, two thousand years later we find-out the whole Holy Bible Mythology is one big lie, cleverly concealed in a book with a whole lot of Truth.

This little view of our history is a textbook example of how the Mass of Humanity has been lied to since the Dawn of Man.

Now....

I personally believe the white light IS part of the trap. There is entirely too much evidence to draw one to this conclusion.

If it were my choice, I would search for the GOLDEN LIGHT. Gold is the color of LOVE.

Research Reference:

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/na...i/contents.htm

The evidence will show, moving into the White Light is taking one's spirit into the high technology apparatus installed on the Moon. There are many researchers who have independently discovered a five mile high antenna on the Moon. John Lear and Richard Hoagland are two that come to mind who have mentioned NASA photographs of this antenna.

There are also several whistle blowers who have come forward who talk about the telepathic thought implant apparatus the black-ops wing of the secret global government have been using against the Masses since the end of the Second World War. This is technology from antiquity which has been used against the Masses since the Dawn of Man, controlled by an hyperdimensional species. They are very clever at what they do, and this technology is now in the hands of the Global Elite. The evidence is clear on what I'm reporting. All one need do is the research.

Following the Golden Light of Love, on the other hand, takes one directly into the singularity that is our Sun. This is the doorway into another dimension.

Theoretical science tells us there are the mathematic possibilities for at least ten other dimensions. Ancient religious theology tells us there are 12 Heavens. This similarity is no coincidence. Understanding both are pointing at the same concept is only a matter of understanding that semantics is involved in naming these similar concepts. It is increasingly understood that a singularity (black hole) is the opening to a wormhole.

Going into the White Light is a direct trip into the Soul Trap that is harvesting and consuming Soul-Essence. This has been an operation on the Moon since the Dawn of Man.

Going into the Golden Light is a direct trip out of this Prison Universe.

Research the evidence and draw your own conclusions.


Research Resources:

Dr. Barrie Trower -
https://youtube.com/watch?v=ZdB-t...7E84C6&index=1
(Pay attention at about 11 minutes into the video)

Conspiracy Theory with Jesse Ventura -
https://youtube.com/watch?v=6Mltt...83B0D0497E84C6

John Lear Disclosure -
https://youtube.com/watch?v=XTRFhrAr8us


The 'Grays' of which John Lear speaks are one-in-the-same as the Archons which were spoken of by the Nazarene Essenes (Yeshua ben Joseph)

[SlickWillie]

"Going into the White Light is a direct trip into the Soul Trap that is harvesting and consuming Soul-Essence. This has been an operation on the Moon since the Dawn of Man."

What is the purpose of this?

"Going into the Golden Light is a direct trip out of this Prison Universe."

What is outside the "prison universe"?

[observer]

Posted by SlickWillie (here)
"Going into the White Light is a direct trip into the Soul Trap that is harvesting and consuming Soul-Essence. This has been an operation on the Moon since the Dawn of Man."

What is the purpose of this?

"Going into the Golden Light is a direct trip out of this Prison Universe."

What is outside the "prison universe"?

This Particular Reality is a feeding operation, SlickWillie.

This Soul Harvesting Antenna has been on the Moon since Man first arrived, here on this planet. Understanding the process of birth-death-rebirth with little or no recollection of your former lifetime is all part of the harvesting operation. The essence of your Soul-Stuff is consumed and only a seed of your former self is replanted into another body to grow another crop. This process leads to the a$$-biting loops of endless lifetimes.

Very few who have had the where-with-all to make it out of this loop have ever returned to tell the story of how one escapes. The few who were able and did return, have had their stories manipulated into lies.

The astral plane (or, the quantum field of infinite potential) is patrolled by Archons who can appear in any form they desire. There is no objective evidence to conclude any astral experience was not manipulated. Faith-based testimonies are not evidence.

This harvesting operation is the only explanation that makes any sense, if one follows all the abstract trails of evidence.

The Mass of Humanity has been lied to since the Dawn of Man. The evidence ALL points to this conclusion. Answer "why" to the reason Humanity has been continuously lied to.

As to what lies beyond This Particular Reality, all I can say is: something else.

[Bongo]

Getting trapped after death can happen and this is how you get out, its called holographic kinetics.

http://www.holographickinetics.net/default.html

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...aphic+kinetics

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...aphic+kinetics

I have just recently had a HK session and found out that my spirit has been enslaved for a very long time, what was happening was that I was getting delivered back to my captors after death, (I don't know if there was a white light or not but that does not matter, the fact that I was delivered back to them is enough at least for me to know that this actually CAN happen) at times I was ritualistically murdered as a child by humans that had been taken over by these aliens. when my captors got removed my spirit said "I feel like a puppet without the strings" This was then healed and I am no longer enslaved by these aliens that are the SCUM of the universe.

I know for a fact that I am not the only one on this planet that has had this happen to them. Its time for us as a race to get healed so we are no longer under any kind of influence by anyone.

[Wind]

Posted by Maunagarjana (here)
Maybe we knew *exactly* what we were getting into. Which, in a way, is an even more disturbing thought. It is said that there is a thin line between bravery and stupidity, right?

I couldn't have said it better myself and I wholeheartedly agree with your message.

[lookbeyond]

Ok,thanks observer, so are visions all manipulations, what about those prior to WW11.How is my vision which was not at all a classic christian one
made to appear to me? Are we all implanted so that when we pray some of us are answered with a vision?Who am i really praying to anyway!!?? (sorry...going a little crazy here as the rest of my world crumbles away)

[dpwishy]

Maunagarjana you have such a beautiful mind,
I felt the need to say that.
Your replies were brilliant and sent me for a few loops.
I thank you for taking the time to say such thoughtful responses.

Don't ever distrust your experience.
You know very well what you experienced.
The tool you used doesn't discredit it at all.
I am a shaman and know how you feel 100%.

In divine friendship,
your brother,
-wishy