Horus-Ra as the Archontic Alien Parasite: A follow-up interview with Maarit

[Flash]

Posted by Carmody (here)
Turns out to be important for this thread. An earlier post:

Posted by gripreaper (here)
So, it's all about energy? How to generate it, husband it, amplify it, emanate it on the positive side, OR how to vampire it on the negative? Yes, whether that is done sexually or just by putting an energetic "hook" out there and sucking it out, or by ritual and pulling it through the crown.

It's all about energy.

When you take away the low level aspects of it (solids), you go to the next levels, which are, in order: liquid, gas, plasma,and then aether.

When you get rid of the solids which we are partially composed of, meaning go to intelligent forms which are not inclusive of solids as we are...you get to energy. The medium of exchange, the motion, the flow of the system itself, is what we call energy, from our viewpoint.

It's capacity to organize itself, into different forms of high complexity, it naturally exceeds that of the capacity to form intelligence in anything that is inclusive of solids or frozen lattice structures.

Again, restated..organizational complexity, possibilities thereof are naturally higher in intelligent systems that do not bridge across and into solids.

To explain further:

<solids, liquid, gas, plasma>= lower human awareness
<liquid, gas, plasma, aether>= Higher human awareness

You can see that in each end, one level has been lopped off. Aether (infinite timeless connectivity) on the mundane awareness level, and solids on the atheric awareness level (linear unidirectional 3d based connectivity). One means nearly nothing to the other when awareness is in each given state. Our lower level awareness tends to concern itself with solids and liquids, not really being all that cognizant of gas and plasma....and our higher self connection tends to concern itself with Plasma and aether, not really being all that connected to or cognizant of liquid and gas.

One kind of example is that when our higher selves and even our 'Out of body' astral selves are traveling around, we find that we can get trapped in solids, very sticky, very slow. Get stuck in a wall, a rock,and so on. Our astral awareness slows to nearly nothing with that kind of integration with solids.

In that way, one might see this problem with awareness as tied to bringing such awareness to our physical 3d linear unidirectional time based side or self.


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One can see, within a few seconds of contemplation of the above... that the individual has connection to and through both.

It would only be logical that any attempt at manipulation and use, any attempt at exploitation... would have to occur at (or via) the border or barrier of awareness. It could only be aided via exploitation of any inability to transfer or bridge across this gap, in the given complex (two state) individual, such as humans.

it is important to understand that solids are unique in their basis in unidirectional frozen lattice structures that are polarized into a narrow channel of expression and connectivity. A fundamental of why we view things like the thermodynamics and relativity as being 'inescapable'.

When we cease basing our logical parameters on these Newtonian elemental basis, we are freed from the thermodynamic and relativity based unidirectional time '3d' basis/frameworks of logic - we move to the quantum, which is inclusive of aether. Spooky action at a distance, and so on.

Awareness would then begin to naturally extend into aether (growth and expansion of the collective/individual logic and awareness) and thus the blank/blind spot or exploitation point is visualized/seen.... and thus ceases to be effective.

(earthquake tremor during this edit)

You are giving the trick kind of for getting out of exploitation and manipulation, which is great. But manipulation is often at may levels of energy, engrams are physical as well as astral and all the way up.

Of course, when you change dimensions you see below what is happening and manipulation/exploitation becomes ineffective. Hooks slide on the being of great masters. they have nowhere to grab.

However, when you are caught in the manipulation or exploitation, in 3 D and other levels, how do you do to become a master, fast enough, in order to get out of it, when everything, all the hooks, are pulling you away from the solution? How do you do if, for any reason, you do not have the strenght yet?

[sms]

lookbeyond: Hi sms, if you dont mind, are you saying with re to "the light" we see at point of just after death, that you will use your discernment then and there?(i know there is only now, thx).

Would you mind giving your opinion on reported visions of for eg Virgin Mary,Jesus (as seen by more than 1 person in Marys case)

Archontic forces can project any images they like, from Jesus, Maria, Archangel Michael, to your grandpa… you name it. They can even handle light pretty well, making various light effects depending on the purpose of a show program. So, I would use my discernment abilities if presented by such ‘wonders’ after I check out of here.

If it is true that our minds are ‘legible’ for them, i.e. that they can read us here and there, then they probably would not waste their time and energy on me.

In regards to the mass sightings of various “wonders”, I would recommend the book Visionaries, Mystics and Contactees, written by former Jesuit priest Salvador Freixedo, who figured out that aliens were behind many of such apparitions (which should not be surprising, at all); in her book Masquerade of Angels, Dr Karla Turner described several modes of manipulation of humanity by aliens, which we should be aware of and one of them was their ability to turn into a shape of our family members; in his book Operation Trojan Horse, John Keel talked as well about various sightings and possible backgrounds.

Dr Karla Turner talked a lot about alien abilities to project different images and even virtual reality scenarios into people’s heads. One of her interviews can be found – HERE.

It should be quite enough for connecting the dots.

At the end, we have to keep on mind that some of the original ‘religious’ figures were taken out of the whole picture?! Below is one of original images which was restored just recently:





(Just joking, but some jokes are pretty close to the truth.)

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[sms]

In regards to possible treatments we were subjected on the other side, here is an excerpt from the book Alien Interview, by Matilda O'Donnell MacElroy.

I do not trust much alien sources, however, as Dr Malanga said in Genesis III, “they can not lie and at the same time, they do not want to tell the whole truth”, which means, we may get from them - some truth. Is this what follows true, we will see!? (“IS-BEs” are us.)

(OFFICIAL TRANSCRIPT OF INTERVIEW)
TOP SECRET
Official Transcript of the U.S. Army Air Force Roswell Army Air Field, 509th Bomb Group

SUBJECT: ALIEN INTERVIEW, 25. 7. 1947, 1st Session

Chapter 7

(…)Eventually The Domain discovered that a wide area of space is monitored by an "electronic force field" 71 (Footnote) which controls all of the IS-BEs in this end of the galaxy, including Earth. The electronic force screen is designed to detect IS-BEs and prevent them from leaving the area.

If any IS-BE attempts to penetrate the force screen, it "captures" them in a kind of "electronic net". The result is that the captured IS-BE is subjected to a very severe "brainwashing" treatment which erases the memory of the IS-BE. This process uses a tremendous electrical shock, just like Earth psychiatrists use "electric shock therapy" to erase the memory and personality of a "patient" and to make them more "cooperative". 72 (Footnote)

On Earth this "therapy" uses only a few hundred volts of electricity. However, the electrical voltage 73 (Footnote) used by the "Old Empire" operation against IS-BEs is on the order of magnitude of billions of volts!

This tremendous shock completely wipes out all the memory of the IS-BE. The memory erasure is not just for one life or one body. It wipes out the all of the accumulated experiences of a nearly infinite past, as well as the identity of the IS-BE!

The shock is intended to make it impossible for the IS-BE to remember who they are, where they came from, their knowledge or skills, their memory of the past, and ability to function as a spiritual entity. They are overwhelmed into becoming a mindless, robotic nonentity.

After the shock a series of post hypnotic suggestions 74 (Footnote) are used to install false memories, and a false time orientation in each IS-BE. This includes the command to "return" to the base after the body dies, so that the same kind of shock and hypnosis can be done again, and again, again - forever. The hypnotic command also tells the "patient" to forget to remember.

(…)

So, when the body of the IS-BE dies they depart from the body. They are detected by the "force screen", they are captured and "ordered" by hypnotic command to "return to the light". The idea of "heaven" and the "afterlife" are part of the hypnotic suggestion - a part of the treachery that makes the whole mechanism work.

(…)

After the IS-BE has been shocked and hypnotized to erase the memory of the life just lived, the IS-BE is immediately "commanded", hypnotically, to "report" back to Earth, as though they were on a secret mission, to inhabit a new body. Each IS-BE is told that they have a special purpose for being on Earth. But, of course there is no purpose for being in a prison - at least not for the prisoner.

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[lookbeyond]

Hi sms, do you feel that all visions in response to prayer are Not of spiritual origin?Why would an alien bother with just anyone?My vision in response to prayer was not a recognisable"Biblical" character and it was healing in nature.Im trying to figure out the origin.This is why im persisting wi questions, thanks lb

[Hervé]

Posted by sms (here)
In regards to possible treatments we were subjected on the other side, here is an excerpt from the book Alien Interview, by Matilda O'Donnell MacElroy.

[...]

The "Interview" as recounted never occurred...

... see this post <--- from Bill

[sms]

lookbeyond:Hi sms, do you feel that all visions in response to prayer are Not of spiritual origin?Why would an alien bother with just anyone?My vision in response to prayer was not a recognisable"Biblical" character and it was healing in nature.Im trying to figure out the origin.This is why im persisting wi questions, thanks lb

I think that it is OK to do what one thinks that works, as long as it works, like in case of the healing and to take all responsibility for that. I do not have personal experiences with “visions in response to prayers”, as in the first place, I do not have a need to pray to anybody for anything.

What would be the most important there is what Gurdjieff was saying for “esoteric” people:

"They cannot perform actions opposed to their understanding or have an understanding which is not expressed by actions.”

Which means, - we should not do what we do not understand.

Churches are full of people who perform actions there, which they actually do not understand. Those actions are based on “their” beliefs, which were, as such, installed into their minds. However, the situation is not much different with most of, so called, “spiritual people”.

So, if one knows what he is doing, say praying to something or somebody for something, than he should understand the “effects” or consequences which go along with this action. So, if they are “visions”, then he should understand them by himself and not to ask somebody else if they are genuine or not.

If an entity appears, who is “helping” or acting as a “Spirit Guide”, I would recommend reading Eve Lorgen’s book Dark Side of Cupid, as there is a nice chapter there on “spirit guides”. (They usually charge for their services pretty dearly, which may not be apparent to our mind component at the very beginning of our interaction with them.)

At the end, everything comes to the question if our actions are based on our mind component only (which is as Steiner said - “not rooted in reality”) or on all three components. E.g. the mind component tends to project its wishful thinking on objective reality, and then the same component interprets the results of its actions, often in its own favor (because of employing “wishful thinking” again).

This is the axis along with most of our spiritual manipulation takes place.

E.g. visualizations can be powerful, however, when properly done. On the other hand, new-age is distorting this potential of human beings by directing everything to the mind field. If we take for an example the movie The Secret, we will see that people are encouraged there to visualize, in terms of applying their nice wishes to the reality. At the same time, blind as they are, they are not able to produce a wish or an intention which will be agreed upon by all three components of their being. They will mostly produce wishes and intentions which are in resonance with their (programmed) mind component, usually to achieve the (material) “values” as they are defined as such in a controlled reality.

Furthermore, actions performed by one component only, may lead to so called cognitive dissonance, which is a result of a conflict between perception and/or awareness of the three components of the being.

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Why would an alien bother with just anyone?

As I understand, the archontic control system is sophisticated and comprehensive beyond our imagination and this is not by chance. We are regarded by them as a commodity, or their resources. As their existence is dependent on us, they will have to do whatever it takes to keep us below a certain threshold of awareness, so that they can utilize us safely. One awake human being would pose a danger for them. Whatever real knowledge one of us acquires in his interaction as a particle in this “particle-reality”, it becomes available in the “morphogenetic field” to the others, as well, for their own use (meaning, to those who are properly tuned to pick it up from there). If a necessary threshold of the knowledge/awareness would be reached by human beings, whole archontic control system may fall down as a house of cards.

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[lookbeyond]

Sms, thankyou for your generous reply.I agree with Gurdjieffs quote-now im in a more wakeful state.My vision was however one of the pieces of the puzzle that helped me to wake, when i prayed it was with the heart and mind and i was terrified so i assumed maybe a "guardian" of some type helped my daughter.Surely not all "guardians" etc are from archontic forces?

[Chester]

sms, Daughter of Time and others have mentioned “the chosen ones.”

Sounds like we are “special” huh? How special it is to win this type of lottery –
Read this short story to get the idea as to what sort of lottery we have won –


I, and just about everyone in my family are “chosen ones.” This is not something someone wants to be nor sets out to be. I doubt most ever even figure it out. I believe I have achieved some degree of the integration sms has been mentioning (quite a bit since last weekend after watching the 13th Floor by the way (thanks, sms and Houman)) where I am not overly concerned to speak about it.

I have done so for over a year now (all and only on this forum). Some have labeled me narcissistic or that I seek attention or similar labels because they do not have the ability to understand what it is to be one of these and that (in my opinion) is all they can manage to come up with in their minds. That’s all fine and good now and I get the feeling one’s integration can be measured to some extent by how much what others think doesn’t bother them much anymore. Conclude what you will.

But being in a family of chosen ones changes the dynamic a bit. Why? Houman pointed it out. When one family member breaks free and is no longer affected by psychic attacks from those who have lost their soul, never had a soul or gave up their soul, the pressure is turned up on those with whom you are close.

I visited my son tonight who is still in jail. Some may recall when I posted about that. Tonight, my 19 year old, very sober and all excited son told me this (I am paraphrasing).

“Dad, I had this amazing experience... it was a dream but was more... far more than that. Very, very vivid. In the dream God spoke to me. God told me... 'All these beings you have been praying to, Moses, other saints and holy men... Jesus... it is not them you should be praying to, it is Me.'”

He was like the young child who actually believes in Santa Claus and here I am, I love him, I want him to know that maybe, (and in my opinion, sadly very most likely) the “voice of “god”” may not be at all what he thinks... I try to suggest an open mind, I then start to see something in him and I immediately regretted saying a word.

It is not easy knowing that your son, whom you love dearly... that I can’t help him other than to lead him to the various information sources where, if he reads them, perhaps the seeds of truth will be planted.

How can I tell him that in the translations of the Gnostic writings of the Nag Hammadi ithere is the creation cosmogony where the "demiurge" is the jealous god that states he is the one and only god. I lay odds that "enity" and/or its minions are what is behind this vivid dream "voice" ... the same “voice” issue I have dealt with for over 30 years.

And I can’t tell him because if I try, I can see him falling apart as I started to see him do when I began opening my mouth.

It seems we all have to try and figure it out on our own.

Just last night I printed all of sms’s posts and begun to reread them again. In his first post, which I recall reading a long time ago but also recall being so scared about it I actually thought it could not be true... I reread that post again. It all made sense now. It is true and one can debate some of the details, but it is all very, very real and true – like it or not. And if you don’t – go to the happy dream threads like the OBE thread for example – they have spiritual teachers on that thread to ensure you adopt the correct view so that you can ensure the endless capturing, imprisoning and draining of your soul.

from that post –

The Esoteric Circle

“This circle consists of people who have attained the highest development possible for man, each one of whom possesses individuality in the fullest degree, that is to say, an indivisible ‘I,’ all forms of consciousness possible for man, full control over these states of consciousness, the whole of knowledge possible for man, and a free and independent will.

They cannot perform actions opposed to their understanding or have an understanding which is not expressed by their actions. At the same time there can be no discord among them, no differences of understanding. Therefore their activity is entirely co-ordinated and leads to one common aim without any kind of compulsion because it is based upon a common and identical understanding.”

[Freed Fox]

Posted by justoneman (here)
It all made sense now. It is true and one can debate some of the details, but it is all very, very real and true – like it or not. And if you don’t – go to the happy dream threads like the OBE thread for example – they have spiritual teachers on that thread to ensure you adopt the correct view so that you can ensure the endless capturing, imprisoning and draining of your soul.

How very 'integrated' of you, Chester... And after the warm response you received following your so-called 'apology'! What an inspiration.

[Chester]

Posted by Freed Fox (here)

Posted by justoneman (here)
It all made sense now. It is true and one can debate some of the details, but it is all very, very real and true – like it or not. And if you don’t – go to the happy dream threads like the OBE thread for example – they have spiritual teachers on that thread to ensure you adopt the correct view so that you can ensure the endless capturing, imprisoning and draining of your soul.

How very 'integrated' of you, Chester... And after the warm response you received following your so-called 'apology'! What an inspiration.

My apology was from the heart but you may have missed what I apologized for. I apologized for imposing my views in a thread dedicated to those who are involved with the "happy dream" and who, from my point of view, have chosen the road of "looking (only) at the bright side." It is the same as a child who believes in Santa Claus. To whom I no longer will reveal that the folks he trusts the most, his mom and his dad, happen to have lied to him from birth. I will leave that up to his parents now whereas before I (foolishly) assumed the responsibility.

I apologized because I foolishly thought that it was a good thing to put in front of the viewers ("followers") that perhaps there just might be another possibility - one that is not so full of "love and bliss and peace and light."

Hopefully, you can see the difference between pushing my views in a thread absorbed in "the happy dream" as opposed to sharing my experiences, views and opinions in this thread - and I do not pretend to be an authority... you have enough of those in the OBE thread where you get unsolicited dream interpretations (which in my case were so far off the mark I realized to respond would put the interpreter in the red hot spotlight so I refrained).

My experience in this lifetime (the only one I have memory) spans decades of personal experience as well as acute and meticulous observation. Here's some highlights - father / suicide at 44, his great grandfather, suicide via shotgun to the heart, my ex-wife and mother of my children attempted suicide 5 times in 5 months back in 1999/2000 which had a massively negative impact on our sons, my own almost self generated physical body death less than 2 years ago, two of my three sons personal discussions with me of their almost suicides in their teens.

Do the math, FF... what are the odds this all occurs in one very close family? And you can’t pull the “genetics” card as my children’s mother was not related.

And note, I have only mentioned the tip of the iceberg.

So I wish those who settle for the “happy dream” well. If they have a soul, perhaps one day they will find a way to free it. I can’t do that for anyone but myself. The post above was to share the heart break experience I had last night knowing my son at age 19 is already experiencing this same “voice of “god”” bs. But I leave him in the hands of something far greater than any “god” of that nature, you can call it what you want. I do the same for everyone now as the only good I can really be for anyone else is to continue my path honestly and vigilantly.

The purpose of my posts has always been to share my own awakening process in hopes that if just one other member or reader who may also have more “direct attention” from the archonicly aligned is inspired in some way to take the tough steps like I have been doing, then my posts have not been wasted.

I can tell you though, if anyone does this, as Houman says, be ready for the ramp up of the psi attacks on family and loved ones. You may develop a strong shield, but these “whatevers” come at you through those you love and if they can’t get to you, sometimes those you love have seriously difficult circumstances.

If you have some “god” you “believe in” then put your trust and faith in that “god” and take some risks to open your mind to the possibility that all those “happy dreamland OBE” types of experiences, the “go to the light” bs that you hear regarding NDEs may actually be the land of Oz. Take some risks and pull back the curtain a bit and peak at the “wizard(s)” and then, ask yourself... why do I... why do so many of us get such attention from such “gods,” "ascended masters," "good Pleiadians," "GOD" (itself)? Could it be they may actually have an interest that is not necessarily in your own best interests?

And then of course we have the physically present "authorities" who, unfortunately (and as happened with me for almost 40 years and almost resulted in my own physical demise) - the proclaimed "spiritual teachers" that, when asked directly..."If this is all such a wonderful "divine plan" from some "GOD OF LOVE" who supposedly is our creator, then answer this question..."

"God, if I am your creation that you love, how could it be this is such a "divine plan" that so many of us suffer and remain clueless as to what might really be going on? And why does this eventual enlightenment (some "sell" to you as "soul evolution") occur for only a handful of folks during the same 60 or 70 or 80 year time spans?"

EDIT (ADDED 2013-05-22) - Seems far more likely the handful of a generation's current "enlightened, spiritual teachers" that promote this type of "ascended master" and "beyond the lower astral is all love and light" are simply fools (like I have been) that fell for the specialness aspect of being an "evolved soul from way beyond its time." It is THESE folks who are the most horrific prison guards. Sadly we have several "teachers" right here in Avalon and sadly, many folks (as I had been for almost 40 years) get sucked in by this garbage.

There is no justification for some "divinity" that manipulates mankind such that most of us suffer and suffer ridiculously. Buying into that crap and then falling for the specialness of it and then becoming a "spiritual teacher" (admitted or not... but seen by some of us by your actions) is inexcusable IMO. I hope this post is read by those it is meant for.

Reincarnation is a prison in this way. Never are there more than a handful of those who actually know (Gnosis) and are actually awake. Sounds like a soul recycling facility to me. Does not sound like something a "god" I would have any business believing in would provide for his children. Its so obvious too.

And I am supposed to accept this "god" as a "god of love?" Forgive me... and I am certainly not the sharpest cookie on the block... but that is plain ludicrous.

Now, I am not saying that once one is past the "false god" or past some hierarchy that leads to a single pretender such as the demiurge is not actual truth but as sms pointed out, to use words to attempt to convey what that might be is virtually impossible ("tower of Bable myth") though, in rare circumstances, and when both parties involved in communication are open... "it" (the "it" beyond the mystery) can be pointed to. For now, I have found that "beyond" in experiencing my "components" in relative balance (just this past week). As sms referred to this - "integrated." Strangely, this actually feels like I have awakened from a weird dream and on this side, the experience that one of us (and perhaps all of us) could have been unintegrated seems strange.

Take that step, and you might discover there are deeper levels of faith and though much of the truth may appear scary and in fact devastatingly scary, you may also discover what that word, integrated, actually points to.

Its funny (or maybe not) but only on Earth at this time does one who cries out, "Fire!," in a crowded theater get shot when there actually happens to be one... haha

[dan33]

When you transgress the speed of light, you find the astral, the lower astral. Your greatest fears are real, physical.
When the speed of light approaches infinity the mass transcends into the astral.
The mass does not tend to infinity, raises their vibration.

Event Horizon is an example. When I readed the book, "Theory of Multidimensional Universe" by Schabbath van nes Ziegler, I thought about this movie.
I'm a writer not a scientist.





Event Horizon (1997) A spaceship rescue crew investigates a spaceship that disappeared into a black hole and has now returned. Note: Laurence Fishburn (Morpheus) acts
Houman.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=9JHi4K9XfzM

Thanks Houman and posters

[Chester]

Another set of "views" as to the multidimensional universe

{note: I have a reason for posting the above link... let's see if it can be picked up on}

"Theory of Multidimensional Universe" by Schabbath van nes Ziegler solamente en Espanol?

[donk]

Event Horizon has bothered the hell out of me (pun intended), and the fact that people around here use it as some sort of reference or analogy is disturbing. The “truth” I got from that movie is that if you push the bounds of “accept 3D physics”, the most horrifying things you can possibly imagine manifesting is your reward.

And perhaps that’s ok, that there is darkness and there’s nothing essentially wrong (in the sense of “needing to cast judgment upon), so in this movie it is all pain and misery and rape and torture. And the dude created it, so he may as well embrace it, I guess? Becoming “ruler” or master slave of that world, sucking in everyone else it can, against their will?

Or Dan, yours, is the closest I’ve seen to an explanation: are you saying as humanity approaches, then surpasses the speed of light, the darkness (lack of light, cuz your now faster than it?) manifests as our most horrid fears?

Can someone set me straight on this one? I’ve (re)watched it recently, hoping to find something redeeming about it. To me it is just a sick horror movie with a promising (but ultimately hellish) premise.

[dan33]

"Theory of Multidimensional Universe" by Schabbath van nes Ziegler solamente en Espanol? Justoneman.

I can't find any edition in English.


Or Dan, yours, is the closest I’ve seen to an explanation: are you saying as humanity approaches, then surpasses the speed of light, the darkness (lack of light, cuz your now faster than it?) manifests as our most horrid fears?

Can someone set me straight on this one? I’ve (re)watched it recently, hoping to find something redeeming about it. To me it is just a sick horror movie with a promising (but ultimately hellish) premise.
donk

I believe that if you raise your vibrational level and by artificial technology... you or me could have trouble "getting rid" of our shadows. The shadow would be "physical" ... Orgy Scene in the spaceship, I guess that's that.
The Spaceship "Event Horizon" exceeds the speed of light and ALL the crew, go into the "low astral" immediately (without passport).

I write the feelings that I had while reading the book. I had seen Event Horizon and plugged then book and movie.


Drunvalo's book "The Flower of Life" tells something about it.

[Chester]

I found this on Eve Lorgen's site

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=59t8kgY9JOE

[sms]

This is my answer to lookbeyond’s question from another thread:

(…)i wonder why you say you feel the only genuine spiritual messengers are of our spirit or soul, do you not believe that some guardians/angels want to help? My intuition told me that the black healing hands over my daughters head were there to help her, this experience catapulted me into a deep search for "truth", years of researching, an open mind to what may come...lb

Your perception is the only one you should rely on, however, you have to be aware that most of us have, more or less, a distorted perception and we have to ‘calibrate’ it to the best of our abilities, taking intuition seriously, as well (intuition comes from the soul component.) Some of things which may distort our perception is wishful thinking, our tendency to lie to ourselves etc.

So, we should not hurry to jump to conclusions before considering all possibilities, and not just those we prefer. Sometimes is better to leave issues open, than to make definite conclusions.

In your case, I feel that there was more to the story then you have related here, however, whatever happened, if the end result was that your daughter was healed, this is beautiful. If you perceived an entity’s hands involved, it does not mean that the entity healed your daughter. Her being may have used its own resources. If the entity’s help happened to be the case, you will see if there were any strings attached.

In my case, ~ a year ago, my kid got severely sick. He is now a bit over 5 y.o. Fever, coughing, difficulty in breathing etc. While I was at work, my wife took him to doctor and came back crying with a bag full of various nebulisers and pills. Before she went there, I just told her to make sure to get a prescription for a penicillin based antibiotic. So, the kid was diagnosed with an acute asthma. Doctor even hesitated to prescribe antibiotics.

As there are no authorities for me up there, so there are no down here, as well. At the same time, I am happy to take all responsibility on myself. And, of course, we are responsible for our children. So, I did not resort to prayers. My first question was, - What can I do?!

It just happened that we moved to a small hobby farm, so we positioned ourselves nicely to have some animals (vegetable garden etc.). So, straight away we bought several dairy goats and started milking them. The kid was on antibiotics for several days and on fresh goat milk and everything was gone. No asthma! The bag with nebulisers finished in the rubbish bin. In addition to that, I replaced all carpets in the house with bamboo floors to reduce any dust and this costed me just some pain in my back, which did not last long. No any health trouble since then. And, of course, no junk food, soft drinks etc. Now, from surplus goat milk we produce enough cheese for us and even some friends.

My wife and I took full responsibility on ourselves, as well, when we decided not to vaccinate our kid, and this was all based on our research and awareness.

So, all what I am talking about is taking responsibility in our own hands. By delegating the issues of our own healing, rescue or spiritual development to other entities, we disempower ourselves, we put ourselves in a passive mode and make ourselves dependent on others. This is like driving our being in a reverse gear.

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According to my understanding, there is a very insidious manipulation going on in so called “spiritual healing” area. As “external humanity” or people from the “outer circle”, as Gurdjieff described us, most of us are identified with our physical bodies and personalities. As such, we are a pretty fertile ground for manipulation.

Taking in consideration The Parable of the Coach as an example, which I mentioned previously, when the carriage (the body) gets damaged, the coachman (personality) gets pretty worried and he looks for help, usually without consulting the passenger (the Soul). So, the coachman, depending on the state of his awareness, may resort to prayers, or he may go to a medical practitioner, spiritual healer etc… Whatever the consequences of his actions, he does not have the right to complain.

In one of my previous posts, I have mentioned an example which was described in Eve Lorgen’s book - The Dark Side of Cupid (the story - Mariah and Seductive Spirit Guide, page 126).

We can see there how Maria’s arthritis was cured by archontic forces which she took as a sign of their benevolence and so she engaged in further interaction with them, which was very detrimental to her whole being. So, her carriage was fixed up by questionable “mechanics”, and later she was dearly charged for their service.

There is another form of rescue provided by aliens, which should be taken in account, as well. Many abductees would say that they were helped by their “cosmic brothers” sometimes in their lives to survive an accident i.e. when their lives were endangered. What was beyond their perception is the fact that in many of such cases the aliens were, in fact, rescuing the alien inside the abductee (they store their ‘deads’ – alien spirit + mind component - in us till new alien body becomes available for them) or they were saving an abductee as a valuable asset.

The above cases are just some examples of an intervention directly by archontic forces. However, it seems that “indirect treatments”, which are provided through so called “spiritual healers” (humans acting as archontic vehicles, most often - unconsciously), are not less detrimental!?

Say, other coachmen decided to treat their pain, arthritis, disorders or whatever by some “positive energies”, like reiki or similar ‘energetic’ treatments. After the treatment their pain may subside, coachmen may feel more “energized” however, they may not be aware that there were some “strings attached” in regards to their other components.

A reiki therapist from Europe, who is psychic, told me once that she could clearly perceive entities working on her clients while they were laying on the table and while she thought she was treating them by “positive” energies. She thought for a along time that they were “ascended masters”. However, they looked as mantides. Later she realised that there was a possibility that “she, in fact, was opening her clients for the intrusion of some questionable entities.”

From the other side, a hypnotherapist who is working with all three components of the being, told me that her clients who underwent “energy treatments” are almost untreatable, as their souls are unable to come forward. Like they were chained or isolated and having no influence on the whole being, anymore. So, now, the 2-component coachmen, full of energy (for a short while), become more tuned to the matrix life and its illusions. The carriage repaired, but spiritually disabled.

In fact, according to my understanding, what is happening there is that the carriage gets ‘mended’ by some entities and the coachman gets some ‘tranquilisers’ to feel better. However, while repairing his carriage, the entities install into it some additional staff like a screen, to isolate the passenger/the Soul (implants). This can be done through installation of some specific symbols by spiritual healer, as well (he may think that those symbols were beneficial, as he was told so).

Of course, after such treatments the coachmen would feel better, but just for a while, before needing another fix. Usually, the health problems they had before would be fixed or alleviated, but another ones would turn up. And after being “helped” in such ways, the coachmen, divorced from reality (due to supressed soul component), would turn into missionaries and start promoting particular “healers”, teachings and techniques to others. Those “rescued” by aliens would frequently be turned into alien propaganda vehicles.

On the lower level, it is similar when we go to a medical practitioner. We will be likely to get medications which would just control the symptoms of a disease and not cure it. (“Patient cured, customer lost”.) Most of this medications will have side effects which are nothing else than symptoms of other diseases. Then, we will take more medications to control those side effects, which have its own side effects, too… “Merry-go-round!?”

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As I have mentioned arthritis, now, I will take it as an example to symbolically express the real “spiritual conspiracy” or the manipulation of humanity by exclusion of the third component. There are 3 components primarily responsible for the health of our bone and connective tissue (joints). Calcium, magnesium and boron. If one is missing, our bones and joints can not be healthy. Like the soul was taken out of our spirituality, so boron was taken out of “equation” when health of our bone and connective tissue is in question. You can have plenty of calcium (the Mind component) and magnesium (the Spirit component) in your body, however, if you do not have enough boron (the Soul component) which regulates metabolism and distribution of former two, than you can not get cured. So, deficiency of boron is the primary cause of bone and connective tissue disorders.

By understanding this, one will understand the essence of the manipulation through those popular “2-component-spiritual-healers”, teachings, techniques etc.

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There are believers, and there are truthseekers. Two different mental states. The former will tend to spend a lot of their time in prayers or on following some teachings and rituals, while the later will search for information in order to understand better themselves and the reality. If I am able, (by some “miracle”) to see something objectively, there is no point in presenting it as an information to other person if the other person can not see it by himself and understand it. If the information would shatter the foundation of the illusion in which one lives, he would employ his “buffers” (a term from 4th Way Teaching related to “organs” which protect the illusion in which personality lives ) and not accept it because he would not have anything to lean on. Even worse, if he would accept the information as it is, just because he trusts me, or he sees me as an authority, he would then be turned into a believer or a follower.

On the other side, there is no truth which can not be recognised as such and understood, at least, on a deeper level of the being.

However, it seems that there is another level of communication, which might be helpful, as well, and I will try to explain later.

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Just to add something on perceived help by religious figures. We should not be deceived by appearances. There is a lot of accounts where people perceived as being helped by Jesus, Maria, archangel Michael etc. However, I know of many cases where these entities were not as they seemed to be. E.g., one recent case was a lady, an alien abductee and a good Christian, and when she went through SIMBAD sessions and perceived herself giving birth (by something like caesarean section) 5 times in an alien environment, which she was not consciously aware of, (some of the births were even before she was 10 y.o.) and every time, right next to her was standing Jesus, personally, comforting her. The only strange thing she perceived about him where his “chicken legs” (like Horus-Ra!?). So, we have to use our discernment when perceiving something like that.

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Regarding so called “meta-communication”, a sort of a communication not perceived by our senses, it seems that when we are communicating with somebody verbally or in a written way, there is an information traffic going in a sort of parallel fashion between our beings. This means, what a more aware person knows about something, it can be transferred to other people listening to him, although he was not mentioning this specifically in his communication with them.

Here, I will use as an example justoneman’s account of his visit to the son in jail. He delivered this message in such a concise and effective way, that I felt as if I was there with him witnessing the event, understanding both, him and his son. As a more aware person, he exercised behaviour which in 4th Way teaching is called “external considering”. This means behaving in such a way to make other’s people lives easier, which does not mean that you have to support their delusions. So, he did not deny his son’s notions about his dream, however, he did not support it, either. At the first glance, it seems that nothing positive was achieved there (in terms of educating his son), however, such an approach was optimal in such a situation. It could be said that at the same time, a meta-communication was going on, where his knowledge and thoughts were transferred to the being of his son. Later, his son may ask ‘justoneman’ some more meaningful questions and give him some time and attention for explanation of his views, which may lead him further to a contemplation and understanding.

Unfortunately, in such a way we “meta-communicate” our wrong notions, as well, reinforcing each other’s illusions. However, when we balance all our components and come “in the know”, when we become more aware, the truth will start circulating around much more and in larger and larger ‘amounts’ and resonate as such in other human beings. This is one of the reasons why aliens are afraid of aware humans.

At the end, according to my understanding, the real help, unconditional (no frills, no strings… etc.) from outside can come only from aware beings who have the Soul, which means – human beings. But, before asking for a help, we should first ask ourselves, do we really need it?! Did we try our best to help ourselves on our own?

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[TheVoyager]

Posted by sms (here)
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A reiki therapist from Europe, who is psychic, told me once that she could clearly perceive entities working on her clients while they were laying on the table and while she thought she was treating them by “positive” energies. She thought for a along time that they were “ascended masters”. However, they looked as mantides. Later she realised that there was a possibility that “she, in fact, was opening her clients for the intrusion of some questionable entities.”
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Another information regarding this kind of treatments comes from S. Richards, who says that during a reiki session a system of inline/outline cables is connected to a client for their manipulation.

[CD7]

Posted by TheVoyager (here)

Posted by sms (here)
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A reiki therapist from Europe, who is psychic, told me once that she could clearly perceive entities working on her clients while they were laying on the table and while she thought she was treating them by “positive” energies. She thought for a along time that they were “ascended masters”. However, they looked as mantides. Later she realised that there was a possibility that “she, in fact, was opening her clients for the intrusion of some questionable entities.”
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Another information regarding this kind of treatments comes from S. Richards, who says that during a reiki session a system of inline/outline cables is connected to a client for their manipulation.

Oh my gosh...I dont agree with this as i experienced the most lucid and enlightening experiences while doing reiki. We all have our energies mixing together as were walking around as it is! Reiki becomes more of an intimately heightened experience of exchange of energy.

Having a negeative experience during reiki would be, to me, like having someone negative around you effecting you with destructive thoughts...

The intention of "love" whether there in "your" space or laying hands near you or on you have similar effects there just Magnified during reiki...

The "fear" of something harming me would b no different if i was worried about this while walking down the street. My 2 cents..

[TheVoyager]

Posted by CD7 (here)

Posted by TheVoyager (here)

Posted by sms (here)
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A reiki therapist from Europe, who is psychic, told me once that she could clearly perceive entities working on her clients while they were laying on the table and while she thought she was treating them by “positive” energies. She thought for a along time that they were “ascended masters”. However, they looked as mantides. Later she realised that there was a possibility that “she, in fact, was opening her clients for the intrusion of some questionable entities.”
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Another information regarding this kind of treatments comes from S. Richards, who says that during a reiki session a system of inline/outline cables is connected to a client for their manipulation.

Oh my gosh...I dont agree with this as i experienced the most lucid and enlightening experiences while doing reiki. We all have our energies mixing together as were walking around as it is! Reiki becomes more of an intimately heightened experience of exchange of energy.

Having a negeative experience during reiki would be, to me, like having someone negative around you effecting you with destructive thoughts...

The intention of "love" whether there in "your" space or laying hands near you or on you have similar effects there just Magnified during reiki...

The "fear" of something harming me would b no different if i was worried about this while walking down the street. My 2 cents..

CD7, I respect your opinion which is based on your experience.

Mine differs, and is based on my experience. I've received reiki and I've done it to others. Nevertheless, I never wanted to use the symbols. Only the first one (cho ku rei) and then after a while I stopped using it too. It just somehow didn't feel right.

My experience shows me there's something much deeper and darker in it compared to what it's seen on the surface, where everything seams so loving and sparkling with strong bright light etc. I know of more people with similar experiences.
I've also been told by few people that there is a connection between reiki symbols and draconians.

I know now that every initiation opens an inter dimensional door and lets "stuff" into our taurus field. We let whatever in without knowing what we let in and what will that mean. Once we agree, that's it. We need to know then how to break that agreement in order to get rid of whatever got inside our game. And... for each level of reiki, there's another initiation.

Nothing can enter our game and nothing can enter our taurus field, if we don't agree to it. Many times there would be an agreement of entrapment, because we are not told what is really happening. We are told lies or we are being entrapped by people with good intentions but no profound knowledge, that they themselves have had been entrapped by others. Or we might even choose to do it because in return we get strong powers and reaches... but... the price is very high.

All the power is inside us, all that comes from outside is something from the outside that we let in and then it starts manipulating us for its own agenda.

We don't need to search for a light outside us, there is a strong light inside us that we keep on ignoring. And somebody/something is very happy about it staying it that way. This thread is all about this manipulation.

As jim says on his threads... the power is inside us, let's start believing it and using it.

[donk]

All the power is inside us, all that comes from outside is something from the outside that we let in and then it starts manipulating us for its own agenda.

What if the "agenda" is to help others empower themself? That's what mine is...(my main one, anyway )